*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[delusional]

This isnt something that can be undone in 1 season. People have been playing this way for years.

There has been one play that was a legit head hunting call and that was the Merriweather hit that prompted all this overreaction. The rest of the helmet hits are happening after the initial hit. Like the Samuel hit which imho was a complete #### call.

The way some people are talking, its as if Samuel launched himself and used his head as a spear directly at that Giants WR.

The officiating has to improve overall & has to get on the same page with the NFL.

With Goodell talking about throwing a flag, even if it isnt a foul, for the players safety...and seeing how the refs appear to be doing this now, there is going to be alot of #### storming when it affects the outcome of a game.

Also after seeing Seymour get ejected, i wouldn't be surprised to see more players getting ejected since that ref broke the ice

 

[Snotbubbles]

This is Goodells call, cause he said that was the right call to err on the side of the players safety, even if there was no foul on the play. Which IMHO is bull####. They guy is basically supporting blown calls in favor of a player who MIGHT be injured. It really is only a matter of time until recievers start taking dives in order to try and draw the flag

Or the defenders adjust and start going for the midsection or knees instead of the head.

Samuel went for the Chest. Didn't matter. If a guy looks like he got hurt, the flag is thrown. Same with Collie. Had the WR bounced back up, there would have been no penalty.

Samuel went high on purpose when he didn't have to. He could have wrapped up at the waist. Instead he led with his shoulder high. Collie was a helmet to helmet hit. Coleman didn't intend for it to be, but it was.

 

[delusional]

This is Goodells call, cause he said that was the right call to err on the side of the players safety, even if there was no foul on the play. Which IMHO is bull####. They guy is basically supporting blown calls in favor of a player who MIGHT be injured. It really is only a matter of time until recievers start taking dives in order to try and draw the flag

Or the defenders adjust and start going for the midsection or knees instead of the head.

Samuel went for the Chest. Didn't matter. If a guy looks like he got hurt, the flag is thrown. Same with Collie. Had the WR bounced back up, there would have been no penalty.

Samuel went high on purpose when he didn't have to. He could have wrapped up at the waist. Instead he led with his shoulder high. Collie was a helmet to helmet hit. Coleman didn't intend for it to be, but it was.

I don't know but I been seeing Ray Lewis hit people the same way as Samuel hit him, for years now. He lead with his shoulder and arm on a guy whose a couple inches taller then him and weighs more. There wasnt a single thing dirty about his hit. Dont get me started on the Collie BS.I get pissed reading about this #### now. Seriously f Goodell.

 

[Snotbubbles]

This is Goodells call, cause he said that was the right call to err on the side of the players safety, even if there was no foul on the play. Which IMHO is bull####. They guy is basically supporting blown calls in favor of a player who MIGHT be injured. It really is only a matter of time until recievers start taking dives in order to try and draw the flag

Or the defenders adjust and start going for the midsection or knees instead of the head.

Samuel went for the Chest. Didn't matter. If a guy looks like he got hurt, the flag is thrown. Same with Collie. Had the WR bounced back up, there would have been no penalty.

Samuel went high on purpose when he didn't have to. He could have wrapped up at the waist. Instead he led with his shoulder high. Collie was a helmet to helmet hit. Coleman didn't intend for it to be, but it was.

I don't know but I been seeing Ray Lewis hit people the same way as Samuel hit him, for years now. He lead with his shoulder and arm on a guy whose a couple inches taller then him and weighs more. There wasnt a single thing dirty about his hit. Dont get me started on the Collie BS.I get pissed reading about this #### now. Seriously f Goodell.

What happened in the past is irrelevant. This is something new the league is trying to do for player safety. It doesn't have to be dirty. It's about protecting a defenseless player in a dangerous position. The players have to adjust.

 

[Insein]

What happened in the past is irrelevant. This is something new the league is trying to do for player safety. It doesn't have to be dirty. It's about protecting a defenseless player in a dangerous position. The players have to adjust.

We've seen what over adjusting does. Remember when Umenyora had Vince Young dead to rights but didn't want the roughing call so he let up on the play. Well Young then proceeded to make the first down. Same will happen with these "Defenseless" calls. WR's will start taking dives. Players will let up on big hits and the WR will gain more yards then he should have or make a catch when it could have been dislodged. All of this because a guy fears getting fined for $50k. ITs football. You can only do so much to take the hitting out of it. People will get hit. The truly dirty stuff needs to be taken out and for the most part you rarely see a guy headhunting. But the hits like the one Samuel had are part of the game.

 

[scratcher]

Samuel is out this game (not traveling). Dixon and Parker seem like they will play.

Samuel being out hurts. I think Hanson will do a decent job but thought Samuel would be good for at least a couple turnovers this game. Bears' WRs are not that great but the Bears seem to do enough to win most weeks. Bears are scrappy and I think they shouldnt be underestimated.

I understand the reasoning though. Short week next week against a more potent offense (Houston). Should rest Asante for that but hope we're not overlooking this week.

Should be a good game...

 

[dawhole9]

This is Goodells call, cause he said that was the right call to err on the side of the players safety, even if there was no foul on the play. Which IMHO is bull####. They guy is basically supporting blown calls in favor of a player who MIGHT be injured. It really is only a matter of time until recievers start taking dives in order to try and draw the flag

Or the defenders adjust and start going for the midsection or knees instead of the head.

Samuel went for the Chest. Didn't matter. If a guy looks like he got hurt, the flag is thrown. Same with Collie. Had the WR bounced back up, there would have been no penalty.

Samuel went high on purpose when he didn't have to. He could have wrapped up at the waist. Instead he led with his shoulder high. Collie was a helmet to helmet hit. Coleman didn't intend for it to be, but it was.

I don't know but I been seeing Ray Lewis hit people the same way as Samuel hit him, for years now. He lead with his shoulder and arm on a guy whose a couple inches taller then him and weighs more. There wasnt a single thing dirty about his hit. Dont get me started on the Collie BS.I get pissed reading about this #### now. Seriously f Goodell.

Ray has alot of helment to helment hits almost every game. Its just never called.

 

[dawhole9]

Samuel is out this game (not traveling). Dixon and Parker seem like they will play.Samuel being out hurts. I think Hanson will do a decent job but thought Samuel would be good for at least a couple turnovers this game. Bears' WRs are not that great but the Bears seem to do enough to win most weeks. Bears are scrappy and I think they shouldnt be underestimated. I understand the reasoning though. Short week next week against a more potent offense (Houston). Should rest Asante for that but hope we're not overlooking this week.Should be a good game...

I dont know about Hanson. Im still a little nervous.

 

[delusional]

Bears catching all the breaks so far. That team should have 3-4 wins tops.

 

[scratcher]

Bears catching all the breaks so far. That team should have 3-4 wins tops.

True, but no reason taht cant continue this week.

 

[Billy Bats]

This is Goodells call, cause he said that was the right call to err on the side of the players safety, even if there was no foul on the play. Which IMHO is bull####. They guy is basically supporting blown calls in favor of a player who MIGHT be injured. It really is only a matter of time until recievers start taking dives in order to try and draw the flag

Or the defenders adjust and start going for the midsection or knees instead of the head.

Samuel went for the Chest. Didn't matter. If a guy looks like he got hurt, the flag is thrown. Same with Collie. Had the WR bounced back up, there would have been no penalty.

Samuel went high on purpose when he didn't have to. He could have wrapped up at the waist. Instead he led with his shoulder high.

I didn't go back and read the previous page, but are you saying the penalty and fine were legitimate? Just curious. I think they're taking too much out of the game. Part of a defense is hitting a wr hard, and making them think twice about catching that pass. Now they're essentially telling db's they can't lead with their shoulder or hit above the chest anymore. So they start going for the waist and lower and taking out knees, cartwheeling wr's onto their heads. Penalize everything, I guess. Anyway, onto the game. After last week's big win, a tough road test tomorrow. I don't think the Bears are a real 7-3 team. If the Eagles are to be considered best of the NFC, then they win convincingly. I think they do, and by convincingly I mean ten points, not a 4 td blowout. This is another good test, I hope they roll.

 

[thayman]

This is Goodells call, cause he said that was the right call to err on the side of the players safety, even if there was no foul on the play. Which IMHO is bull####. They guy is basically supporting blown calls in favor of a player who MIGHT be injured. It really is only a matter of time until recievers start taking dives in order to try and draw the flag

Or the defenders adjust and start going for the midsection or knees instead of the head.

Samuel went for the Chest. Didn't matter. If a guy looks like he got hurt, the flag is thrown. Same with Collie. Had the WR bounced back up, there would have been no penalty.

Samuel went high on purpose when he didn't have to. He could have wrapped up at the waist. Instead he led with his shoulder high.

I didn't go back and read the previous page, but are you saying the penalty and fine were legitimate? Just curious. I think they're taking too much out of the game. Part of a defense is hitting a wr hard, and making them think twice about catching that pass. Now they're essentially telling db's they can't lead with their shoulder or hit above the chest anymore. So they start going for the waist and lower and taking out knees, cartwheeling wr's onto their heads. Penalize everything, I guess. Anyway, onto the game. After last week's big win, a tough road test tomorrow. I don't think the Bears are a real 7-3 team. If the Eagles are to be considered best of the NFC, then they win convincingly. I think they do, and by convincingly I mean ten points, not a 4 td blowout. This is another good test, I hope they roll.

I think the point is not that people agree with the call (I don't) but it's the rule now, players need to adapt.

 

[delusional]

Bears catching all the breaks so far. That team should have 3-4 wins tops.

True, but no reason taht cant continue this week.

Its hard to feel confident when Hanso becomes the #1 CB

 

[46 ZONE]

--Bears catching all the breaks so far. That team should have 3-4 wins tops.--

How bout now, delusional, do the Bears deserve a 4th or 5th win today? Is the defense any good? Even Cutler looks good today...

 

[delusional]

--Bears catching all the breaks so far. That team should have 3-4 wins tops.--How bout now, delusional, do the Bears deserve a 4th or 5th win today? Is the defense any good? Even Cutler looks good today...

Since you said the same thing in the Bears thread thinking I wouldn't come back to reply, ill reply with the same answer here.

"Like I said. Cutler would be saying whew and he did. He went up against bad depth at CB. I said Samuel being out was the best thing he had & that the Bears got lucky with this. Hanson is garbage ( and it showed ) & Lindley ( at draft time ) i thought was a mid to low level rookie. He been nothing but a special teamer this season. Now he was put into action on the defensive side of things alot...and it showed.If you follow the Eagles thread at all you would know my disgust for the lack of pirority in addressing key positions problems, CB was one of those key problems for the Eagles.I still feel the Bears are overrated, this game did not change my opinion at all. To me it was more about how bad the Eagles played then how the Bears played."

You can also add on my above post, about its hard to feel confident with Hanson as the #1 CB and tonights game proved that. The past few weeks, Vicks play has been overshadowing the flaws that are still with this team. For one I noticed during the Giants game that Reid seems to be more comfortable with Vick..meaning the passes are increasing and RB rushing is decreasing.What I mean by this is they are running the ball less with RBs. In this game alone there were a few times Vick could have ran. Is Deja Vu to where Reid was making a pocket QB out of McNabb and preferred him to stay in the pocket. Someone mentioned about last weeks game when Vick shot out the pocket and ran a TD in. That the look on Reids face was that of anger and shock. It legit looked like he was pissed he ran it in.McCoy had what? 10 rushes total tonight? Harrison has virutally disappeared since the Skins games. Against the Giants he didn't even touch the ball. I mentioned this a few posts ago here, mainly right after the Giants game. The past 3 games Vicks passing attempts have increased while the RBs rushing attempts decreased ( hard to tell from stats but if you watched the game you will understand what I mean ). This is what I mean about Reid falling back into the McNabb comfort zone but with Vick now. Frankly I am not a fan of that. I won't even mention the FG they went for late in the gameWhere was the run when in the red zone too? I got a flashback to McNabb during the Dallas game last season tossing his arms up and yelling "run the ball" during a TO. So never to early to look at the draft. I am guessing top 3 priorities are.OL - Starting RG. Depth overall. CB - Patterson should have had the job over Hobbs but I think at best he was a #2, possible nickel. With Hanson being a joke of a player since he got busted for PEDs & Lindley being the only ok depth ( even though he looked bad tonight ) I can't see them NOT getting a CB in the 1st two rounds. LB - Say what you want but our LBs are still meh at best. Too small to shed blocks, bad in coverage, trouble tackling. Pretty shoddy depth here too. S - I should put this here. Mikel has looked...as I said before, not that great. Whose behind him? I can see a S being groomed to take his spot after next year or during camp depending how they draft. Now about the depth we have, anyone agreeing that the past draft was well, not that good. I been watching the very little play time the rookies been getting and frankly, I am not seeing anyone that makes you say "ooo he will be competing for a starting job next year". Which they should be doing considering out side of MLB, our LBs are kinda weak. ps - where the F was the roughing the passer call when Vick got dawk plexed?Overall this game was piss poor. Some bad time management by Reid. Shakey play calling. Defense looking like they never played football before. Everything that could go wrong did go wrong. WTH is up with Jackson too?

 

[Insein]

I had the eagles losing this one before the season but we could have won this several times. The momentum killer was the Vick INT but Reid's poor time management again killed us. Why is it that Andy can be so good at other coaching aspects like getting guys to play above their ability or getting teams prepared after a bye, but simple things like not calling a TO in the 2nd half on 3rd and 18 to prevent delay of game because 3rd and 23 is the same damn thing. Then proceed to come out after the TO and run the ball? Come on now. We could have done that with 3rd and 23 and saved the TO. Then I felt like I was watching the super Bowl all over again as they non-chalantly huddled up down 31-13 with 9 minutes left to go. We didn't go no huddle till about 3 minutes left in the game. That wasted at least 1 minute if not more of game clock right there. So combine the TO mishap and the clock mismanagement, we still could have had time to make another stop and score for the win.

As much as we got on McNabb for not being able to come from behind, a lot of that blame needs to goto Reid as well for poor clock management.

 

[delusional]

I had the eagles losing this one before the season but we could have won this several times. The momentum killer was the Vick INT but Reid's poor time management again killed us. Why is it that Andy can be so good at other coaching aspects like getting guys to play above their ability or getting teams prepared after a bye, but simple things like not calling a TO in the 2nd half on 3rd and 18 to prevent delay of game because 3rd and 23 is the same damn thing. Then proceed to come out after the TO and run the ball? Come on now. We could have done that with 3rd and 23 and saved the TO. Then I felt like I was watching the super Bowl all over again as they non-chalantly huddled up down 31-13 with 9 minutes left to go. We didn't go no huddle till about 3 minutes left in the game. That wasted at least 1 minute if not more of game clock right there. So combine the TO mishap and the clock mismanagement, we still could have had time to make another stop and score for the win.As much as we got on McNabb for not being able to come from behind, a lot of that blame needs to goto Reid as well for poor clock management.

Like i said, Vicks play lately has taken front stage over alot of the flaws with the team & coaching. Now they are having trouble scoring in the red zone. I guess Vick can't throw that corner lob pass....sorry i had too lol McNabb got a #### load of flack for the red zone problems and people used that corner pass as an excuse.People always ripped on McNabb for being out of a shape with the end of game comebacks, like you mentioned just non chalantly huddling up, etc. Now you are seeing it happen with Vick. I guess if you are chucking the ball 30+ times a game and having to rush just as much as your RB in the underused rushing game, you will be tired too. LOL.He is a BAD game day coach. No way around it. The guy refuses to adjust and looks shocked when something doesn't go right.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Guys, guys, guys relax! This team team has just reeled off three tremendously impressive wins: beating Indy for first time under Reid, a historic beatdown of the Skins and then a gritty comeback against N.Y. that many thought would be a let down game. So Chi was the let down game. Did we think they were gonna run the table?

Samuel being out was huge, no getting around that and the interception was the turning point of the game. I also don't think the team was prepared properly for the horrible turf conditions as well.

The team ain't perfect for sure and Reid still has his deficiencies but they are still in it. They will rebound against Hou!

 

[delusional]

Saw this tidbit

"LeSean McCoy has 151 rushing yards on his last 16 carries. That's 9.4 yards per carry."

Except that is the past two games he has 16 carries & a decent chunk of those yards were on two plays vs the giants ( the 4th and 1 and another long TD run )

And I am sorry I will knock Reid because he deserves it. The guy called a TO to avoid a delay of game on a 3rd and 19....only to run the ball after the TO...wtf

 

[Jason Wood]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

 

[Domination]

I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing. Also, I think that Andy has reverted back to the Andy of old with Vick at QB. In that they are passing or in a passing formation and Vick scrambles alot. Rather than the balanced offense that we have clammered for for years, they are back to the pass happy offense, in which they abandon the run unless they are up BIG late in the game.

 

[fred_1_15301]

I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing. Also, I think that Andy has reverted back to the Andy of old with Vick at QB. In that they are passing or in a passing formation and Vick scrambles alot. Rather than the balanced offense that we have clammered for for years, they are back to the pass happy offense, in which they abandon the run unless they are up BIG late in the game.

Vick is the least of the Eagles problems right now. He is really their ONLY chance at a superbowl this year. Their biggest problems (which have mostly been masked by the play of Vick) are the O-Line and defense.

 

[Billy Bats]

Anybody have a problem with the first field goal? 4th and goal from the 4, down 18 in the 4th quarter. Don't you have to take a shot from that close? I know you have to get a FG at some point, but you don't know if you'll get that close to the end zone again. Them he kicks another FG which still leaves you with two td's to score. I guess you never leave points, but that late I would've gone for the TD at the 4 yard line. Next drive you kick a fg, and the last TD and a two point conversion ties the game.

 

[Insein]

Anybody have a problem with the first field goal? 4th and goal from the 4, down 18 in the 4th quarter. Don't you have to take a shot from that close? I know you have to get a FG at some point, but you don't know if you'll get that close to the end zone again. Them he kicks another FG which still leaves you with two td's to score. I guess you never leave points, but that late I would've gone for the TD at the 4 yard line. Next drive you kick a fg, and the last TD and a two point conversion ties the game.

Would have been fine if he hadn't wasted so much time huddling up and blowing a TO on a 3rd and 18.

 

[Billy Bats]

I do not see the Eagles going anywhere with Vick, because I think that good teams will scheme him out of the game, and make him beat them in the one way that he can't, with accurate passing. Also, I think that Andy has reverted back to the Andy of old with Vick at QB. In that they are passing or in a passing formation and Vick scrambles alot. Rather than the balanced offense that we have clammered for for years, they are back to the pass happy offense, in which they abandon the run unless they are up BIG late in the game.

Vick is the least of the Eagles problems right now. He is really their ONLY chance at a superbowl this year. Their biggest problems (which have mostly been masked by the play of Vick) are the O-Line and defense.

Special teams ranks up there too.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

 

[Jason Wood]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

The pass rush definitely got to him. He missed several wide open deep passes, and wasn't able to escape the pocket the way he's been much of this season. To be clear that wasn't the only thing that went wrong last night, but this is the "recipe" for beating Vick FWIW.

 

[unckeyherb]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

yeah, this had very little to do with Vick and more to do with the "defense". Allowing Cutler to throw for 250 yards and 4 TD's is bad, not picking Jay Cutler off once is atrocious. Allowing a plodder like Matt Forte to gash us for 8.5 ypc is unacceptable. Our secondary was exposed, the special teams were a joke and honestly, there are a lot of professional atheltes on this team that need some back-to-basics tackling fundamentals taught to them. Horrible

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

The pass rush definitely got to him. He missed several wide open deep passes, and wasn't able to escape the pocket the way he's been much of this season. To be clear that wasn't the only thing that went wrong last night, but this is the "recipe" for beating Vick FWIW.

Putting pressure on a QB is the recipe for beating every single QB in the league. I think Vick did absolutely outstanding for the amount of pressure he was under. We saw a Hall of Fame QB the last two weeks look like a deer in the headlights simply because he is being put under pressure and he did far worse than Vick. Vick is the last thing I am worrying about on this team. That being said I am absolutely thrilled we are able to talk about the playoffs with this squad when so many people thought that this year would be a throw away since we traded McNabb.

 

[Jason Wood]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

The pass rush definitely got to him. He missed several wide open deep passes, and wasn't able to escape the pocket the way he's been much of this season. To be clear that wasn't the only thing that went wrong last night, but this is the "recipe" for beating Vick FWIW.

Putting pressure on a QB is the recipe for beating every single QB in the league. I think Vick did absolutely outstanding for the amount of pressure he was under. We saw a Hall of Fame QB the last two weeks look like a deer in the headlights simply because he is being put under pressure and he did far worse than Vick. Vick is the last thing I am worrying about on this team. That being said I am absolutely thrilled we are able to talk about the playoffs with this squad when so many people thought that this year would be a throw away since we traded McNabb.

We missed Asante, that's for sure. And CAN WE PLEASE TACKLE?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

The pass rush definitely got to him. He missed several wide open deep passes, and wasn't able to escape the pocket the way he's been much of this season. To be clear that wasn't the only thing that went wrong last night, but this is the "recipe" for beating Vick FWIW.

Putting pressure on a QB is the recipe for beating every single QB in the league. I think Vick did absolutely outstanding for the amount of pressure he was under. We saw a Hall of Fame QB the last two weeks look like a deer in the headlights simply because he is being put under pressure and he did far worse than Vick. Vick is the last thing I am worrying about on this team. That being said I am absolutely thrilled we are able to talk about the playoffs with this squad when so many people thought that this year would be a throw away since we traded McNabb.

We missed Asante, that's for sure. And CAN WE PLEASE TACKLE?

Don't defensive players get fined for tackling?

 

[dhockster]

My thoughts on yesterday's game:

1) Samuel being out really hurt the defense, especially against someone like Cutler. We probably lost at least one interception by Asante

not playing.

2) The bad field really hurt the Eagles on offense, because Desean, Lesean, and Vick are extreme cut runners and the field neutralized their ability

to do that (they fell numerous times). Unfortunately, where the Eagles are now, if they make the playoffs, they will probably have to play a road game at Green Bay or Chicago. Neither would be ideal for the Eagles skill players.

3) Andy Reid's second half decisions were very questionable. The one that stumped me the most was down 31-13 and going for the FG. You have 4th down at the 2 or 3 yard line and you need to go for it if you have Michael Vick at QB. I don't care if the Bears were containing him most of the game, you have to give him a chance to use his skills to get into the end zone. Give him a run/pass option. Anything but kick a FG there. The screen pass call on third and goal from the ten was bad. Who calls a screen on the ten yard line? The defense is too bunched together for a screen to be very effective, especially when the defense is as fast as the Bears defense. Going for the FG on 4th and goal from the 18 was bad because it still left you needing two TD's to take the lead. That decision was made worse when he did not try an onside kick after that FG.

All those issues and the Eagles still kept it reasonably close. If the Eagles were to play the Bears in Philly in the playoffs with Samuel in the game, I think the Eagles win that game, and pretty easily. However, their ability to get a home playoff game was really hurt by losing yesterday.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

My thoughts on yesterday's game:1) Samuel being out really hurt the defense, especially against someone like Cutler. We probably lost at least one interception by Asantenot playing.2) The bad field really hurt the Eagles on offense, because Desean, Lesean, and Vick are extreme cut runners and the field neutralized their abilityto do that (they fell numerous times). Unfortunately, where the Eagles are now, if they make the playoffs, they will probably have to play a road game at Green Bay or Chicago. Neither would be ideal for the Eagles skill players.3) Andy Reid's second half decisions were very questionable. The one that stumped me the most was down 31-13 and going for the FG. You have 4th down at the 2 or 3 yard line and you need to go for it if you have Michael Vick at QB. I don't care if the Bears were containing him most of the game, you have to give him a chance to use his skills to get into the end zone. Give him a run/pass option. Anything but kick a FG there. The screen pass call on third and goal from the ten was bad. Who calls a screen on the ten yard line? The defense is too bunched together for a screen to be very effective, especially when the defense is as fast as the Bears defense. Going for the FG on 4th and goal from the 18 was bad because it still left you needing two TD's to take the lead. That decision was made worse when he did not try an onside kick after that FG.All those issues and the Eagles still kept it reasonably close. If the Eagles were to play the Bears in Philly in the playoffs with Samuel in the game, I think the Eagles win that game, and pretty easily. However, their ability to get a home playoff game was really hurt by losing yesterday.

The Bears are getting way too much credit today. Sorry, but they didn't look THAT impressive to me - rather the Eagles made them look better than they are (this is a recording, Bears fans....)That said - Peppers is a force. He caught Vick several times and was disruptive.Give it to Vick and Marty M for adapting to the defense - they took what CHI gave them and dinked and dunked their way down the field. Avant? 8-83. McCoy with seven catches. Only DeSean didn't show up (and he apparently got chewed out by AR and "chatted to" by Vick....anyone else hear / read about that?)The defense was abysmal in the secondary. Trevard Lindley - I had no idea he was even on the team - yet he's "covering" out there. Martz was smart to go 3-4 wide most of the game and get Philly's dime personnel on the field. What a "who's who" list of Joselio, Lindley, Mikell, Nate Allen and 2-3 guys who have never been in my kitchen. Awesome. It's possible Lindley wasn't even the worst DB on the field, which is remarkable.The pass rush was pretty good - Cole was a force - but if Cutler can move around or dump it off quickly to a Hester who can break off 30+ yard runs, you're not getting off the field on D. And yes Jason, that was TERRIBLE tackling. I forget which run it was, but 5 missed tackles. Awful.The Bears won - congrats to them - at home against a team without their top corner and by going 3-4 wide - on a field where everyone seemed to be on roller skates. It's lots of people's fault about that, however - Chicago (you call that a field???), the DBs (can you test your cleats???) and the coaching staff (check the field yourselves???). Chicago didn't appear to be slipping, yet all the secondary were. Of course the safeties were all 20-25 yards back so who knows if they were stable.The timeout was bad by AR on 3rd/23. Didn't like the FG down by 18 either - you can get FGs all day, you proved that, time for seven.... - and then not onside kicking late in the game was even questioned by the FOX guys, which is never a good sign if the clock mismanagement is THAT obvious.They need to bounce back and beat Houston at home to get back on track with DAL x2, NYG and MIN still left. All four conference games. They got zero breaks either with JAX blowing their lead and ATL going to 9-2.One bright spot was Celek - we'll have to see if he still gets targeted this week.

 

[Billy Bats]

My thoughts on yesterday's game:3) Andy Reid's second half decisions were very questionable. The one that stumped me the most was down 31-13 and going for the FG. You have 4th down at the 2 or 3 yard line and you need to go for it if you have Michael Vick at QB. I don't care if the Bears were containing him most of the game, you have to give him a chance to use his skills to get into the end zone. Give him a run/pass option. Anything but kick a FG there. The screen pass call on third and goal from the ten was bad. Who calls a screen on the ten yard line? The defense is too bunched together for a screen to be very effective, especially when the defense is as fast as the Bears defense. Going for the FG on 4th and goal from the 18 was bad because it still left you needing two TD's to take the lead. That decision was made worse when he did not try an onside kick after that FG.

Yes, yes and yes. That first FG was rendered useless after the second one was kicked. Like you said you STILL need two TD's. It was the same situation after the first FG, but then he turned it into needing 3 possesions after the first FG. He had to go for it on one of the two fourth downs, but the first was alot easier which is why he should've gone for it. Then he absolutely had to onside kick after the second FG. He played like it was the second quarter, not the fourth.ETA: Ok fine, he wants to take points and add on possessions needed to come back, then at least PLAY SOME HURRY UP OFFENSE ALOT SOONER. He played his own situation completely wrong.

 

[ReggieHammond]

Surprised by the amount of comments about the offense, the offense was fine and did more than enough to win that game. What was everyone expecting against a very good D? I think the performance against the Skins has raised expectations too much. Although Vick's INT was bad even if it wasn't tipped that pass had no chance of being completed, there were 3-4 guys covering the WR he was trying to get the ball to.

However the D was EMBARRASSINGLY bad. That 11 minute TD drive we gave up to start the 2nd half was brutal, we're down at half time and we come out and let them keep the ball for virtually the whole 3rd quarter! UGH!

Hanson sucks, what the hell was Lindley doing giving 10 yard cushions on every play? Tackling was non-existent. Where was the contain? How can you let Cutler run 10+ yards for 1st downs on more than 1 occassion? As was noted earlier why were our guys slipping all over the place yet the Bears weren't? It just goes on and on with how bad the D was.

Hopefully Asante is back on Thursday or Andre is going to have a field day against this secondary.

 

[mike303]

Hopefully Asante is back on Thursday or Andre is going to have a field day against this secondary.

Our best cover guy could be Goodell. Maybe he will suspend him in time for Thursday...

 

[renesauz]

Anybody have a problem with the first field goal? 4th and goal from the 4, down 18 in the 4th quarter. Don't you have to take a shot from that close? I know you have to get a FG at some point, but you don't know if you'll get that close to the end zone again. Them he kicks another FG which still leaves you with two td's to score. I guess you never leave points, but that late I would've gone for the TD at the 4 yard line. Next drive you kick a fg, and the last TD and a two point conversion ties the game.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!4th and 18 is next to impossible. If they make it, they STILL need a two point conversion just for a tie. Chances are very good that you need two more possessions anyway (conversion rate on 2 pt. try is under 50%, and that's assuming you make the fourth and 18, which has to be under 10%...meaning only a 5% or less overall chance of success going that route), so it makes sense to just take the relatively easy 3 points, knowing you'll need an on-side kick either right away or at least after a quick score on your next possession. (NOTE: It's differant if it's a short 4th down...under 2 yards)Andy absolutely played it right kicking the 3. We could argue whether he shoulda kicked on side immediately, but that's a differant argument.

 

[renesauz]

My thoughts on yesterday's game:

1) Samuel being out really hurt the defense, especially against someone like Cutler. We probably lost at least one interception by Asante

not playing.

2) The bad field really hurt the Eagles on offense, because Desean, Lesean, and Vick are extreme cut runners and the field neutralized their ability

to do that (they fell numerous times). Unfortunately, where the Eagles are now, if they make the playoffs, they will probably have to play a road game at Green Bay or Chicago. Neither would be ideal for the Eagles skill players.

3) Andy Reid's second half decisions were very questionable. The one that stumped me the most was down 31-13 and going for the FG. You have 4th down at the 2 or 3 yard line and you need to go for it if you have Michael Vick at QB. I don't care if the Bears were containing him most of the game, you have to give him a chance to use his skills to get into the end zone. Give him a run/pass option. Anything but kick a FG there. The screen pass call on third and goal from the ten was bad. Who calls a screen on the ten yard line? The defense is too bunched together for a screen to be very effective, especially when the defense is as fast as the Bears defense. Going for the FG on 4th and goal from the 18 was bad because it still left you needing two TD's to take the lead. That decision was made worse when he did not try an onside kick after that FG.

All those issues and the Eagles still kept it reasonably close. If the Eagles were to play the Bears in Philly in the playoffs with Samuel in the game, I think the Eagles win that game, and pretty easily. However, their ability to get a home playoff game was really hurt by losing yesterday.

No choice on that one...kicking the FG the only reasonable option (see post above)

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

My thoughts on yesterday's game:

1) Samuel being out really hurt the defense, especially against someone like Cutler. We probably lost at least one interception by Asante

not playing.

2) The bad field really hurt the Eagles on offense, because Desean, Lesean, and Vick are extreme cut runners and the field neutralized their ability

to do that (they fell numerous times). Unfortunately, where the Eagles are now, if they make the playoffs, they will probably have to play a road game at Green Bay or Chicago. Neither would be ideal for the Eagles skill players.

3) Andy Reid's second half decisions were very questionable. The one that stumped me the most was down 31-13 and going for the FG. You have 4th down at the 2 or 3 yard line and you need to go for it if you have Michael Vick at QB. I don't care if the Bears were containing him most of the game, you have to give him a chance to use his skills to get into the end zone. Give him a run/pass option. Anything but kick a FG there. The screen pass call on third and goal from the ten was bad. Who calls a screen on the ten yard line? The defense is too bunched together for a screen to be very effective, especially when the defense is as fast as the Bears defense. Going for the FG on 4th and goal from the 18 was bad because it still left you needing two TD's to take the lead. That decision was made worse when he did not try an onside kick after that FG.

All those issues and the Eagles still kept it reasonably close. If the Eagles were to play the Bears in Philly in the playoffs with Samuel in the game, I think the Eagles win that game, and pretty easily. However, their ability to get a home playoff game was really hurt by losing yesterday.

No choice on that one...kicking the FG the only reasonable option (see post above)

I agree with that call - however the 4th down at the 4 was not one I liked. Nor the non-onsides kick (down by what, 12?)And of course the timeout on 3rd/23 - followed by a draw.

 

[Insein]

My thoughts on yesterday's game:

1) Samuel being out really hurt the defense, especially against someone like Cutler. We probably lost at least one interception by Asante

not playing.

2) The bad field really hurt the Eagles on offense, because Desean, Lesean, and Vick are extreme cut runners and the field neutralized their ability

to do that (they fell numerous times). Unfortunately, where the Eagles are now, if they make the playoffs, they will probably have to play a road game at Green Bay or Chicago. Neither would be ideal for the Eagles skill players.

3) Andy Reid's second half decisions were very questionable. The one that stumped me the most was down 31-13 and going for the FG. You have 4th down at the 2 or 3 yard line and you need to go for it if you have Michael Vick at QB. I don't care if the Bears were containing him most of the game, you have to give him a chance to use his skills to get into the end zone. Give him a run/pass option. Anything but kick a FG there. The screen pass call on third and goal from the ten was bad. Who calls a screen on the ten yard line? The defense is too bunched together for a screen to be very effective, especially when the defense is as fast as the Bears defense. Going for the FG on 4th and goal from the 18 was bad because it still left you needing two TD's to take the lead. That decision was made worse when he did not try an onside kick after that FG.

All those issues and the Eagles still kept it reasonably close. If the Eagles were to play the Bears in Philly in the playoffs with Samuel in the game, I think the Eagles win that game, and pretty easily. However, their ability to get a home playoff game was really hurt by losing yesterday.

No choice on that one...kicking the FG the only reasonable option (see post above)

I agree with that call - however the 4th down at the 4 was not one I liked. Nor the non-onsides kick (down by what, 12?)And of course the timeout on 3rd/23 - followed by a draw.

Or just the general lack of urgency. We didn't go hurry up until under 4 mins left. We should have been hurry up from 10 mins on down 31-13. Had we hurried up, we could have saved at least a minute or 1:30 of game clock. More than enough to get the ball back and score.

 

[Billy Bats]

Anybody have a problem with the first field goal? 4th and goal from the 4, down 18 in the 4th quarter. Don't you have to take a shot from that close? I know you have to get a FG at some point, but you don't know if you'll get that close to the end zone again. Them he kicks another FG which still leaves you with two td's to score. I guess you never leave points, but that late I would've gone for the TD at the 4 yard line. Next drive you kick a fg, and the last TD and a two point conversion ties the game.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!4th and 18 is next to impossible. If they make it, they STILL need a two point conversion just for a tie. Chances are very good that you need two more possessions anyway (conversion rate on 2 pt. try is under 50%, and that's assuming you make the fourth and 18, which has to be under 10%...meaning only a 5% or less overall chance of success going that route), so it makes sense to just take the relatively easy 3 points, knowing you'll need an on-side kick either right away or at least after a quick score on your next possession. (NOTE: It's differant if it's a short 4th down...under 2 yards)

Andy absolutely played it right kicking the 3. We could argue whether he shoulda kicked on side immediately, but that's a differant argument.

Cool, but I was talking about going for it on 4th and goal, not the 4th and 18.

 

[Insein]

Anybody have a problem with the first field goal? 4th and goal from the 4, down 18 in the 4th quarter. Don't you have to take a shot from that close? I know you have to get a FG at some point, but you don't know if you'll get that close to the end zone again. Them he kicks another FG which still leaves you with two td's to score. I guess you never leave points, but that late I would've gone for the TD at the 4 yard line. Next drive you kick a fg, and the last TD and a two point conversion ties the game.

ABSOLUTELY NOT!4th and 18 is next to impossible. If they make it, they STILL need a two point conversion just for a tie. Chances are very good that you need two more possessions anyway (conversion rate on 2 pt. try is under 50%, and that's assuming you make the fourth and 18, which has to be under 10%...meaning only a 5% or less overall chance of success going that route), so it makes sense to just take the relatively easy 3 points, knowing you'll need an on-side kick either right away or at least after a quick score on your next possession. (NOTE: It's differant if it's a short 4th down...under 2 yards)

Andy absolutely played it right kicking the 3. We could argue whether he shoulda kicked on side immediately, but that's a differant argument.

Cool, but I was talking about going for it on 4th and goal, not the 4th and 18.

Technically 4th and 18 was 4th and goal.

 

[delusional]

Seem this. Someone from ESPN ( page 2 or something ) wrote his top 10 qbs right now in the NFL, this quote is for Vick.

Pros: He has shown glimpses this year of the quarterback everyone thought he had the potential to be.Cons: You fear that no matter how well Vick plays, no matter how much personal growth he shows, that he'll be done in at the end by coach Andy Reid's clock management. In fact, if Reid was the warden at Leavenworth, Vick would probably still be sitting there long after he was supposed to have been released.

 

[whitem0nkey]

Eagles LT Jason Peters on the Bears: "As bad as we played, we lost by 5. They know that we’re the better team and they got the victory."

the convicted felon: "I think the turning point in the game was the turnover on the 2-yard line. We make that play & I think it’s a different ballgame."

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

 

[Amused to Death]

Eagles LT Jason Peters on the Bears: "As bad as we played, we lost by 5. They know that we’re the better team and they got the victory."

the convicted felon: "I think the turning point in the game was the turnover on the 2-yard line. We make that play & I think it’s a different ballgame."

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

So, you don't think that was a turning point?

 

[Domination]

Disappointing loss, but Chicago is a MUCH better team than I gave them credit for. That front four was fierce all day long, and that allowed them to keep lots of people back in coverage and confound Vick. An impressive win for Chicago, no excuses.

You think the Bears confounded Vick? He was almost at a 66% completion rate, over 7.5 yards per attempt, and he had some balls that should have been caught that were not. The biggest problem was the O line's pass blocking and when they did stop them from getting to Vick they were allowing them to get their hands up in the air.

The pass rush definitely got to him. He missed several wide open deep passes, and wasn't able to escape the pocket the way he's been much of this season. To be clear that wasn't the only thing that went wrong last night, but this is the "recipe" for beating Vick FWIW.

The o-line has been a problem all year. Vick has shown his ability to be a weapon, but as they get towards the playoffs, they are going to play better defenses like they did the last 2 weeks. Vick was given alot of praise for beating up on bad teams, or at least bad defenses, when he had no pressure on him and the o-line looked ok. Now that he is having the play against the level of teams that they will have to face come playoff time, he is showing his struggles. They have a difficult upcoming schedule, and with the NFC being as competitive as it is, there is still a chance that they don't even make the playoffs. I see the Eagles finishing at 10-6, and am not sure that that will make the playoffs, as they have lost to Chicago & GB, and a conference record of 5-3. If they were to miss the playoffs, after having a 7-3 record, would it be thought of as a huge collapse and disappointing season? At that point, is Vick still the future of our QB position?

 

[whitem0nkey]

Eagles LT Jason Peters on the Bears: "As bad as we played, we lost by 5. They know that we’re the better team and they got the victory."

the convicted felon: "I think the turning point in the game was the turnover on the 2-yard line. We make that play & I think it’s a different ballgame."

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

So, you don't think that was a turning point?

If the eagles "make that play" its still a bears win, they dominated the whole game. Do i get to also pick a play for the bears that they messed up? how about the calls the eagles got from the refs. its silly to play this ifs and should haves games.

Bears won Eagles lost, period.

 

[fred_1_15301]

Eagles LT Jason Peters on the Bears: "As bad as we played, we lost by 5. They know that we’re the better team and they got the victory."

the convicted felon: "I think the turning point in the game was the turnover on the 2-yard line. We make that play & I think it’s a different ballgame."

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

So, you don't think that was a turning point?

If the eagles "make that play" its still a bears win, they dominated the whole game. Do i get to also pick a play for the bears that they messed up? how about the calls the eagles got from the refs. its silly to play this ifs and should haves games.

Bears won Eagles lost, period.

Jason Peters comes across looking like a complete tool IMO.

 

[Amused to Death]

Eagles LT Jason Peters on the Bears: "As bad as we played, we lost by 5. They know that we’re the better team and they got the victory."

the convicted felon: "I think the turning point in the game was the turnover on the 2-yard line. We make that play & I think it’s a different ballgame."

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

So, you don't think that was a turning point?

If the eagles "make that play" its still a bears win, they dominated the whole game. Do i get to also pick a play for the bears that they messed up? how about the calls the eagles got from the refs. its silly to play this ifs and should haves games.

Bears won Eagles lost, period.

Jason Peters comes across looking like a complete tool IMO.

Agree about Peters sounding bad, but that INT at the goal line was a turning point in the game. Good win by the Bears however.

 

[unckeyherb]

Eagles LT Jason Peters on the Bears: "As bad as we played, we lost by 5. They know that we’re the better team and they got the victory."

the convicted felon: "I think the turning point in the game was the turnover on the 2-yard line. We make that play & I think it’s a different ballgame."

Denial is a defense mechanism postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence.

So, you don't think that was a turning point?

If the eagles "make that play" its still a bears win, they dominated the whole game. Do i get to also pick a play for the bears that they messed up? how about the calls the eagles got from the refs. its silly to play this ifs and should haves games.

Bears won Eagles lost, period.

no question. but some plays are more critical to the outcome of the game. That pick did two things; stole a TD from us and gave it the Bears. That 14 point swing was a MAJOR turning point in the game as the Birds would have been leading. I agree that its pretty useless to play the what if game, but you have to admit the outcome of the game could have very easily swayed towards a birds victory had that not been tipped.