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*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (1 Viewer)

So what do the Eagles do along the O-line to become Super Bowl contender in '10? They've spent a lot of money on the line and have gotten very little in return from Peters, Shawn & Stacy. Will they be able to fix the line, upgrade at DE, LB, S & RB enough to truly contend for a championship, or are we looking at another above average but not good enough season?

Sources say no Stacy Andrews unless he agrees to restructure deal

While Eagles coach Andy Reid has said he thinks Andrews' lack of production was mainly the result of his slow recovery from the torn ACL, his poor play raised enough doubts within the organization that there is little chance he will be back with the team unless he agrees to restructure his deal, sources close to the situation confirmed to the Daily News.

Andrews is scheduled to receive another $7.6 million this year, including a $4.1 million roster bonus in early April, which he would get only if he still is with the team on the 30th day of the league year (April 4). His $2.956 million salary and $500,000 workout bonus also are not guaranteed. Neither is the remaining $25.37 million in salary and bonuses in the final 4 years of his deal.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles...cture_deal.html
The team has always put a priority on line depth, and I suspect this could be one of those years when many of our draft picks are focused on the OL and that has fans screaming/scratching their heads. But honestly, the offense just set a record for points scored, and the QB situation is already in house (whether it's McNabb, Kolb or a combination of the two), but the OL needs more TLC. The Eagles - to their credit - were able to survive in spite of cutting Tra and letting Runyan walk, and then having Shawn go head case on us, never having Stacy show up, and having Todd Herremans and Jamaal Jackson battle with injuries at points of the season. On the bright side, Winston proved more than capable of holding his own at RT, and is signed long-term. Herremans has a ton left in the tank and Cole is fine at C or guard depending on Jackson's situation.
I agree they are still good. But this group proved that they are not championship caliber. At best they are 5th in the NFC going into next year and no better than 2nd in their division. I think they are 4 impact players away from being elite (O-line, DE, LB & S). And you can make an argument for veteran depth at RB.
You realize the Steelers won the Super Bowl two years ago with a horrible offensive line, right?
You agree this team as presently constructed, with all of its flaws, is generally not viewed as a serious SB contender, right? How was the Steelers D that year? If their only weakness was O-line I wouldn't be as concerned. But like I said, I think they are at least 4 impact players away. Most of them on defense.
 
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At least stacy is willing to restructure the horrible contract the eagles gave him to begin with. Guy got free money last season but eh, he was injured, cant wrong him there.

As yes as someone said before, i do want reid ousted from the offensive side of things. For all the people wanting McNabb gone, Reid has as much, if not more, fault also.

Things I am afraid of:

1. Reaching for project players/tweeners. Those "he played DE but lets try him at LB even though he never played there. Or "lets get this guy, he slide in the draft, yea cause he had a broken leg".

2. 40+ passes and -15 rushes on the first 3 games.

3. Having 7th round picks becoming starters because of the whole project player / lack of depth.

4. No new center

5. 10 more situational DEs.

Things I can see happening:

1. Drafting Mays and having him at LB

2. Moving Gocong to DE

3. Westbrook getting majority of the carries ( all 10 of them )

4. One of the QBs holding out

Things I would like to see happen:

1. New center. A legit center. Not a G/T that they think can play center.

2. One of the QBs traded.

3. One of the Andrews traded/released. They are both starters but only 1 spot open.

4. A 3 down DE besides Cole

5. SAFETY HELP.

6. Dare I say it...balanced offense

7. Overtime rules changed

8. LB help

Some are obvious though

 
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Talked to my buddy last night. According to him, expect the Eagles to go hard after Peppers when he hits the FA market.
Thought I remembered hearing talk back in 2002 of trying to move up to draft him then but think that was just a pipe dream. That draft started out for us pretty well anyway...26 Philadelphia Eagles Lito Sheppard Cornerback Florida 58 Philadelphia Eagles Michael Lewis Safety Colorado 59 Philadelphia Eagles (from Miami)[4] Sheldon Brown Cornerback South Carolina 91 Philadelphia Eagles Brian Westbrook Running Back Villanova Wonder how the last decade would have went if we sent all those picks over for Peppers?Part of me would be excited to see him on the team, part of me is nervous he's looking for one last big payday to just cruise on.
 
After looking up the above starting looking around at analysis of other early 2000 drafts, maybe I'm a masochist...

25: Philadelphia Eagles | Freddie Mitchell | WR | UCLA Bruins At one point was considered a second-round pick but a 4.4 40 got him in the first round. The Eagles really liked him and would've been disappointed if he were taken prior to 25. He was their guy and will do a tremendous job. He's polished and has the capability to make a big play after catching the ball. He has shown great body control working the sidelines30: Indianapolis Colts | Reggie Wayne | WR | Miami (FL) Hurricanes Probably the most polished receiver in the draft who understands route running better than most of the receivers taken before him and has excellent hands. To think that he is going to be on the field with Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James and an accurate passer in Peyton Manning, he could lead rookie receivers in receptions this season. 32: San Diego Chargers | Drew Brees | QB | Purdue Boilermakers In one of the greatest draft-day manuevers in history, Chargers general manager John Butler secured the running back he wanted and got the quarterback he wanted. San Diego offensive coordinator Norv Turner will love coaching the accurate, productive, polished passer. He was inconsistent at the Combine and created enough doubt to drop him to the second round. No one should be confused about his speed when compared to Michael Vick, but Brees runs a 4.8 which is fast for a quarterback.36: Cincinnati Bengals | Chad Johnson | WR | Oregon St. Beavers Cousin of Bucs wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, except faster and even Keyshawn admits that. In Chad's mind, he was the best receiver in this draft and ask Notre Dame, it might agree. He doesn't run all the routes but is a vertical threat. He has shown the ability to be explosive after the catch. Was a clear first-round pick until a poor 40 in the Combine, which I witnessed and I still think he slipped on the third step and then slipped into the second round and then slipped to the Cincinnati Bengals. He will challenge Peter Warrick for the No. 1 job. The Bengals weren't overly excited about Ron Dugans, a pick from last year and now have a solid receiver duo.
74 Carolina Panthers Smith, Steve Steve Smith† Wide Receiver Utah204 Cincinnati Bengals Houshmandzadeh, T. J. T. J. Houshmandzadeh† Wide Receiver Oregon State
 
After looking up the above starting looking around at analysis of other early 2000 drafts, maybe I'm a masochist...

25: Philadelphia Eagles | Freddie Mitchell | WR | UCLA Bruins At one point was considered a second-round pick but a 4.4 40 got him in the first round. The Eagles really liked him and would've been disappointed if he were taken prior to 25. He was their guy and will do a tremendous job. He's polished and has the capability to make a big play after catching the ball. He has shown great body control working the sidelines30: Indianapolis Colts | Reggie Wayne | WR | Miami (FL) Hurricanes Probably the most polished receiver in the draft who understands route running better than most of the receivers taken before him and has excellent hands. To think that he is going to be on the field with Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James and an accurate passer in Peyton Manning, he could lead rookie receivers in receptions this season. 32: San Diego Chargers | Drew Brees | QB | Purdue Boilermakers In one of the greatest draft-day manuevers in history, Chargers general manager John Butler secured the running back he wanted and got the quarterback he wanted. San Diego offensive coordinator Norv Turner will love coaching the accurate, productive, polished passer. He was inconsistent at the Combine and created enough doubt to drop him to the second round. No one should be confused about his speed when compared to Michael Vick, but Brees runs a 4.8 which is fast for a quarterback.36: Cincinnati Bengals | Chad Johnson | WR | Oregon St. Beavers Cousin of Bucs wide receiver Keyshawn Johnson, except faster and even Keyshawn admits that. In Chad's mind, he was the best receiver in this draft and ask Notre Dame, it might agree. He doesn't run all the routes but is a vertical threat. He has shown the ability to be explosive after the catch. Was a clear first-round pick until a poor 40 in the Combine, which I witnessed and I still think he slipped on the third step and then slipped into the second round and then slipped to the Cincinnati Bengals. He will challenge Peter Warrick for the No. 1 job. The Bengals weren't overly excited about Ron Dugans, a pick from last year and now have a solid receiver duo.
74 Carolina Panthers Smith, Steve Steve Smith† Wide Receiver Utah204 Cincinnati Bengals Houshmandzadeh, T. J. T. J. Houshmandzadeh† Wide Receiver Oregon State
I remember being pretty disappointed that the Eagles passed on Chad Johnson. I remember seeing him play a few games that year and thought he was the goods, Combine stats be damned.
 
Talked to my buddy last night. According to him, expect the Eagles to go hard after Peppers when he hits the FA market.
Interesting. Darren Howard Chris Clemons, Jevon Kearse, Vic Abiamiri didn't really work out, but I can't hate on signing him. Pairing Peppers with Cole would be astounding.
Its their money, hopefully its not for 5 years or something stupid like that.
Howard and Kearse's names were who I brought up to him as well. I'm not saying Peppers will hit the wall as hard as they did, but I think there's a high possibility that he might.
 
So what round do they take a RB this year with westbrook gone?

Speaking of which, anyone get the impression the last 2 or 3 years that Westbrook came off to be somewhat an #######?

 
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So long to B-West, who like Brian Dawkins was an integral part of the last 10 years of excellence. But UNLIKE Dawkins, was no longer playing at a level that made sense to keep in anything but a backup and major $$$ reduced capacity.

 
'Tis a sad day for all Eagles fans. I'm going to miss Westbrook. He might still have a little bit left in the tank but his nogging is done and if he is smart he needs to realize that retirement is the best decision. I'm sure there is a comfy safe color analyst chair at some network with his name on it.

 
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McNabb

Akers

Sheldon

Trotter

Only guys from the Super Bowl team still on the Eagles roster.

By the start of the season Akers might be the only guy left.

 
As much as I recognize the need to strengthen the OL and DL, anyone else with me in hoping that CJ Spiller falls and he gets paired with McCoy and Weaver in the backfield?

 
As much as I recognize the need to strengthen the OL and DL, anyone else with me in hoping that CJ Spiller falls and he gets paired with McCoy and Weaver in the backfield?
Andy wouldn't go with 2 young guys in the backfield. As much of a play maker I think Spiller will be...i'd rather get a DE or Safety. Or someone to play RG so we can sent the Andrews brothers back to arkansas to get their Michael Phelps on on their own dime.
 
As much as I recognize the need to strengthen the OL and DL, anyone else with me in hoping that CJ Spiller falls and he gets paired with McCoy and Weaver in the backfield?
Last year, yes but not this year. This year I actually want a DE, FS, Interior OL or LBer in that order of importance. I think the ground game would be just fine with McCoy, Weaver and either a new addition (FA) or Buckley. We simply don't use RB's that much to justify drafting one IMO.
 
Bigboy10182000 said:
JetMaxx said:
As much as I recognize the need to strengthen the OL and DL, anyone else with me in hoping that CJ Spiller falls and he gets paired with McCoy and Weaver in the backfield?
Last year, yes but not this year. This year I actually want a DE, FS, Interior OL or LBer in that order of importance. I think the ground game would be just fine with McCoy, Weaver and either a new addition (FA) or Buckley. We simply don't use RB's that much to justify drafting one IMO.
Agreed. They do need depth at RB but I'd be surprised if its before the 3rd round...maybe even later. Too many other holes to fill and this FA class isn't going to do it all. I would love to have Chester Taylor for the right price though.
 
McNabbAkersSheldonTrotterOnly guys from the Super Bowl team still on the Eagles roster.By the start of the season Akers might be the only guy left.
Quentin Mikell was on the SB team too. Technically, so were Shawn Andrews (IR) and Jamaal Jackson (practice squad). And of course, Trotter left for two years and returned.
 
DE is deep this year i believe. I can see a few scenarios.

Andy moves up to take an OG/OL guy.

Packages some later picks to get another pick in the 2nd. Takes a DE and S here.

 
I agree that Howard hasn't done what the Eagles have wanted him to but outside of 2007 he hasn't been terrible so unless he is way overpaid I think he should be kept. The guy has 16.5 sacks the last two years and he is a situational player but again it will come down to how much he makes this year but can the Eagles really afford to lose a 7 sack guy on that line. I think Guys like Clemons, Curtis, Andrews, R. Brown, Vick, Hobbs, Gaithers and Laws should all be cut before Howard

 
Eagles fullback Leonard Weaver told your Eagletarian Saturday, "I believe it's close," when asked about a new deal with the Eagles. Weaver could be a restricted free agent on Friday, if no new pact is signed. In any case, the Eagles are very unlikely to let him get away.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._and_Draft.html
I wouldn't worry about Weaver too much. He'll have a new contract shortly.....
Hey DH, are you hearing about any interest in Sproles? Maybe a wait and see if he doesn't get a big offer then slide in late kind of like Weaver last year? Just curious...
 
As much as I recognize the need to strengthen the OL and DL, anyone else with me in hoping that CJ Spiller falls and he gets paired with McCoy and Weaver in the backfield?
Last year, yes but not this year. This year I actually want a DE, FS, Interior OL or LBer in that order of importance. I think the ground game would be just fine with McCoy, Weaver and either a new addition (FA) or Buckley. We simply don't use RB's that much to justify drafting one IMO.
Agreed. They do need depth at RB but I'd be surprised if its before the 3rd round...maybe even later. Too many other holes to fill and this FA class isn't going to do it all. I would love to have Chester Taylor for the right price though.
Martell Mallett was pretty good in the CFL. I think between him and Buckley, they'll have RB's they can get by with. I would rather see them look elsewhere and maybe grab a guy late to compete for that last roster spot. Dwayne Wright can handle the ball as well although I think they are using him more as a FB
 
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DH,

Does that mean McNabb has agreed to negotiate a contract extension with the Rams? Seems like the only reasonable scenario for all parties involved.

 
DH,Does that mean McNabb has agreed to negotiate a contract extension with the Rams? Seems like the only reasonable scenario for all parties involved.
He didn't go into the particulars of everything, for obvious reasons. If you look at some posts earlier in this thread, I posted a while ago that he was under the inpression that McNabb was the QB that was gone and he still thinks that.
 
Eagles fullback Leonard Weaver told your Eagletarian Saturday, "I believe it's close," when asked about a new deal with the Eagles. Weaver could be a restricted free agent on Friday, if no new pact is signed. In any case, the Eagles are very unlikely to let him get away.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._and_Draft.html
I wouldn't worry about Weaver too much. He'll have a new contract shortly.....
Hey DH, are you hearing about any interest in Sproles? Maybe a wait and see if he doesn't get a big offer then slide in late kind of like Weaver last year? Just curious...
Sorry, just saw this. No, I've heard nothing regarding Sproles.
 
Eagles fullback Leonard Weaver told your Eagletarian Saturday, "I believe it's close," when asked about a new deal with the Eagles. Weaver could be a restricted free agent on Friday, if no new pact is signed. In any case, the Eagles are very unlikely to let him get away.
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles..._and_Draft.html
I wouldn't worry about Weaver too much. He'll have a new contract shortly.....
Hey DH, are you hearing about any interest in Sproles? Maybe a wait and see if he doesn't get a big offer then slide in late kind of like Weaver last year? Just curious...
Sorry, just saw this. No, I've heard nothing regarding Sproles.
Even though you have heard nothing regarding have you heard anything on Peppers or Antrelle Rolle? Personally I am skeptical of Peppers (Kearse part 2). I think Rolle maybe a better free agent option because I do not think either of the top 2 safeties will be there when the Eagles pick.
 
Even though you have heard nothing regarding have you heard anything on Peppers or Antrelle Rolle? Personally I am skeptical of Peppers (Kearse part 2). I think Rolle maybe a better free agent option because I do not think either of the top 2 safeties will be there when the Eagles pick.
I posted earlier in this thread that the Eagles plan to make a big push for Peppers. I've heard nothing re: Rolle.
 
Fire the Fat Man said:
They NEED to get Peppers and Rolle in free agency, it is really that simple.
If they can land either Peppers, Dansby or Rolle I would feel good, 2 out of the would be perfect!Ship McNabb to STL and Monday morning would be incredible!
 
I'm told that that there's a pretty good chance McNabb is gone within the next few weeks. There's legs to the Rams rumor....
Really? Wow, I will be shocked and massively disappointed if this is true. Hopefully Schefter is on the right side of this debate and you've got it wrong DH. I love ya, and believe you believe what you're saying, but either Adam is getting bad info or you are and for selfish reasons I hope it's you. :thumbdown:
 
Eagles just signed Weaver which we all knew would happen real soon but good move anyways. I think Eagles fans are expecting a big signing but I think we are going to see two or three signings that aren't big but will help the team.

 
I'm told that that there's a pretty good chance McNabb is gone within the next few weeks. There's legs to the Rams rumor....
Really? Wow, I will be shocked and massively disappointed if this is true. Hopefully Schefter is on the right side of this debate and you've got it wrong DH. I love ya, and believe you believe what you're saying, but either Adam is getting bad info or you are and for selfish reasons I hope it's you. :lmao:
I hope my guy is wrong too. If you look back at the Eagles threads throughout the years, you'll see I defend McNabb almost to a fault. I really like him as a person and as a player and I think the day he leaves will be a dark day in Philly. That being said, people don't realize how close he was to being gone after being benched in that Ravens (I think it was Baltimore) game a while back. Had He not played as well as he did in the game that followed and they had not gone on that hot streak, he'd be gone already.
 
I'm told that that there's a pretty good chance McNabb is gone within the next few weeks. There's legs to the Rams rumor....
Really? Wow, I will be shocked and massively disappointed if this is true. Hopefully Schefter is on the right side of this debate and you've got it wrong DH. I love ya, and believe you believe what you're saying, but either Adam is getting bad info or you are and for selfish reasons I hope it's you. :)
I hope my guy is wrong too. If you look back at the Eagles threads throughout the years, you'll see I defend McNabb almost to a fault. I really like him as a person and as a player and I think the day he leaves will be a dark day in Philly. That being said, people don't realize how close he was to being gone after being benched in that Ravens (I think it was Baltimore) game a while back. Had He not played as well as he did in the game that followed and they had not gone on that hot streak, he'd be gone already.
I think that most people do not dislike McNabb, I believe that they are of the same opinion that I am. I am appreciative of what he has done for our team, but I believe that it is time for a change. I think that we can still get a decent return on McNabb, and start preparing for the future with Kolb. It will be sad to see him go, as he has been a mainstay for the Eagles for the last decade. I am not convinced that Kolb will be as good as McNabb, but I think he fits the offense better than McNabb. I think that Kolb can run the offense similar to what Garcia did, with less athletic ability, but more accuracy. I believe that Reid has done McNabb an injustice, in that he made McNabb try to convert to his offense, rather that converting the offense to fit McNabb. McNabb will be very successful wherever he goes, because he has already proven to he can succeed in a system that does not accentuate his positives. Hopefully he goes some place that enables him to fullfil his greatest potential, and I wish him luck in that.
 
I'm told that that there's a pretty good chance McNabb is gone within the next few weeks. There's legs to the Rams rumor....
Really? Wow, I will be shocked and massively disappointed if this is true. Hopefully Schefter is on the right side of this debate and you've got it wrong DH. I love ya, and believe you believe what you're saying, but either Adam is getting bad info or you are and for selfish reasons I hope it's you. :)
I hope my guy is wrong too. If you look back at the Eagles threads throughout the years, you'll see I defend McNabb almost to a fault. I really like him as a person and as a player and I think the day he leaves will be a dark day in Philly. That being said, people don't realize how close he was to being gone after being benched in that Ravens (I think it was Baltimore) game a while back. Had He not played as well as he did in the game that followed and they had not gone on that hot streak, he'd be gone already.
I'm not looking forward to that day either. He's been the franchises best QB and it is no where close to a garauntee that Kolb will even be able to match or exceed McNabb's production. But I sadly feel that this team needs a fresh step because as good as McNabb has been he hasn't been able to win a Super Bowl, he gets frustratingly close but whether it's by his actions or the teams (and I think its mainly a team thing) he just can't seem to get the job done and now he isn't getting any younger so even though Kevin Kolb may end up being the next Bobby Hoying I think I am OK with finding out what the kid can do with a full year under center.
 
I'm told that that there's a pretty good chance McNabb is gone within the next few weeks. There's legs to the Rams rumor....
Really? Wow, I will be shocked and massively disappointed if this is true. Hopefully Schefter is on the right side of this debate and you've got it wrong DH. I love ya, and believe you believe what you're saying, but either Adam is getting bad info or you are and for selfish reasons I hope it's you. :)
I hope my guy is wrong too. If you look back at the Eagles threads throughout the years, you'll see I defend McNabb almost to a fault. I really like him as a person and as a player and I think the day he leaves will be a dark day in Philly. That being said, people don't realize how close he was to being gone after being benched in that Ravens (I think it was Baltimore) game a while back. Had He not played as well as he did in the game that followed and they had not gone on that hot streak, he'd be gone already.
I think that most people do not dislike McNabb, I believe that they are of the same opinion that I am. I am appreciative of what he has done for our team, but I believe that it is time for a change. I think that we can still get a decent return on McNabb, and start preparing for the future with Kolb. It will be sad to see him go, as he has been a mainstay for the Eagles for the last decade. I am not convinced that Kolb will be as good as McNabb, but I think he fits the offense better than McNabb. I think that Kolb can run the offense similar to what Garcia did, with less athletic ability, but more accuracy. I believe that Reid has done McNabb an injustice, in that he made McNabb try to convert to his offense, rather that converting the offense to fit McNabb. McNabb will be very successful wherever he goes, because he has already proven to he can succeed in a system that does not accentuate his positives. Hopefully he goes some place that enables him to fullfil his greatest potential, and I wish him luck in that.
I do believe Andy Reid really did not utlize all of McNabb's strengths when he was in his prime. He also didn't get capable and talented WRs for McNabb to throw too until just recently Jackson, Maclin, and Avant came into the picture. I'll give him signing TO but that is something that should've happened back in 2000 and not 2004.
 
Eagles just signed Weaver which we all knew would happen real soon but good move anyways. I think Eagles fans are expecting a big signing but I think we are going to see two or three signings that aren't big but will help the team.
:confused: Weaver is a very important piece. I would like to see his role expanded a little more in 2010. Any details on the terms?
 

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