*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[Domination]

hey Jason Wood shouldn't the willingness of seattle to offer so much make you possibly reconsider your evaluation of kolb's worth?

Let me clarify something. I don't dispute the Kolb could be good. Presumably Andy used the same scouting eye on him that he did to pick McNabb with the 2nd overall pick. I just don't like the ODDS of betting on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb. And therefore would like to see them keep riding with the horse that brought them, while leveraging Kolb at what I suspect will be his highest value.Also, just like in investing, for every buyer there's a seller. You only really get great value in a trade when one side is wrong. I'm hoping that Seattle is overvaluing Kolb

Kolb willnever have the physical gifts that McNabb has, but McNabb has not improved in other areas as he has gotten older, which is something that the other elite QBs have been willing to do. His accuracy and decision making have continued to be suspect, and that is what is the most frustrating. He has gotten by on his physical attributes, and never put the effort in improving the areas that he was lacking. Kolb showed good touch on the ball when he played, and although he made some mistakes, I would give him the same benifit that I gave McNabb when he was a young QB. Although he might never be an elite QB, I think Kolb fits the WC offense very well, and would like to see if he could open up other avenues on the offense that McNabb has not been able to do.As far as Seattle overvaluing Kolb. Isn't that a huge risk to take on a guy that you have groomed to be the future of the team. The other part that bothers me is the possibility of Vick being the QB if something happens to McNabb, and Donovan hasn't been the healthiest of guys the last few years.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

Interesting comparing the information being provided by DH in this thread and by G-King in the thread discussing McNabb or Kolb being traded to Seattle. If both are right, then the Eagles will be gaining some pretty valuable draft picks. I'm not sure that is the route they should be taking if they are keeping McNabb at QB.

Who's G-King?Anyway, the info I got was a 1st this year, a conditional next year depending on several factors (but should be no lower than a second) and another pick this year for Kolb. The Eagles are obviously wanting next year's pick that they get to be guarenteed.

For McNabb, it's a little murkier. I'm hearing everything from McNabb and 1.24 for Seattle's pick they got from Chicago to a second rounder.

It seems like Seattle is very much playing a fantasy football-like trading game. Initially asking for McNabb's price than switching gears after hearing it and saying that maybe thay'd give that for someone who's younger....hint, hint, wink, wink, nudge, nudge.

If this is truly the value that we could get for Kolb, then I understand trading him. But as a longtime fan, I would be very disappointed. I think that we would remain in the same holding pattern with McNabb that we have been in for the last 10 years. As he gets older, he is not getting better, and then we would have no one for the future. It's a shame that I feel that even by getting insane value for Kolb, we would be taking a step in the wrong direction for the future. But hey, everyone will be happy that we are making the playoffs, even if we can't win the Superbowl. Kolb offered a chance for progression, although he did offer a chance for regression. With McNabb, we will continue to get more of the same.

For the life of me I simply don't understand how any Eagle fan doesn't want to trun the page on McNabb. At this point, he is a 34 year old QB with absolutely NO leadership qualities whatsoever that never brought this city a title. This front office can't be that stupid enough in opting on McNabb over Kolb can they???? So what do they do with 2 #1's when we have no QB in line as the heir apparent to this fraud? No one seems to be thinking about that.

Mind boggling to me that another playoff run going nowhere is acceptable for this fan base. INSANE.

"It comes down to me, I got to put my players in a better position to make plays"

 

[Domination]

The picks are nice, but doesn't address the long-term plan at QB. And the team ain't going anywhere without that. But hey, McNabb will get us to the playoffs again...maybe. Guess we should just be satisfied being the 4th or 5th best in the NFC.

How embarrassing would it be if a Kolb-led Seahawks team knocks the Eagles out in the first round in '11?

Seattle is a bad team, and I expect Kolb to have some growing pains. (especially in Seattle) But when he is ready, is probably be when the Seahawks are also ready to contend. Which in turn will make McNabb 36, and have us looking for our QB of the future.

Teams spend years trying to find a QB. We have a guy who has learned the system and looked pretty good running the offense, and we are going to trade him away. What sense does that make?

 

[roarlions]

The other part that bothers me is the possibility of Vick being the QB if something happens to McNabb, and Donovan hasn't been the healthiest of guys the last few years.

I think this is a great point. I don't think Vick or any other QB that is currently available as a FA would be a good backup. And wouldn't trading Kolb pretty much require the team to draft a QB this year to start grooming as a replacement? In a year when the QB prospects don't look so hot, I'm not thrilled with that possibility.

 

[Jason Wood]

The picks are nice, but doesn't address the long-term plan at QB. And the team ain't going anywhere without that. But hey, McNabb will get us to the playoffs again...maybe. Guess we should just be satisfied being the 4th or 5th best in the NFC.

How embarrassing would it be if a Kolb-led Seahawks team knocks the Eagles out in the first round in '11?

Seattle is a bad team, and I expect Kolb to have some growing pains. (especially in Seattle) But when he is ready, is probably be when the Seahawks are also ready to contend. Which in turn will make McNabb 36, and have us looking for our QB of the future.

Teams spend years trying to find a QB. We have a guy who has learned the system and looked pretty good running the offense, and we are going to trade him away. What sense does that make?

If they trade him (still a HUGE if), I would have to think that they weren't confident in his ability to be a great NFL QB. If they were very confident in his abilities, I think they would certainly turn away all offers (which they may be doing, just to be clear) and would definitely let "5" walk after 2010 barring a Super Bowl title.

 

[renesauz]

Interesting comparing the information being provided by DH in this thread and by G-King in the thread discussing McNabb or Kolb being traded to Seattle. If both are right, then the Eagles will be gaining some pretty valuable draft picks. I'm not sure that is the route they should be taking if they are keeping McNabb at QB.

Yes, it will be interesting. G-King is saying (2) 1sts and a 3rd or 4th for Kolb. I assume the Seahawks 2nd #1 this year and one in '11. If that's the case, I can live with McNabb for a few more years.

I'd love to see Kolb starting in green...but I could live with a haul like that!

 

[MySportsPress:D.P.]

hey Jason Wood shouldn't the willingness of seattle to offer so much make you possibly reconsider your evaluation of kolb's worth?

Let me clarify something. I don't dispute the Kolb could be good. Presumably Andy used the same scouting eye on him that he did to pick McNabb with the 2nd overall pick. I just don't like the ODDS of betting on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb. And therefore would like to see them keep riding with the horse that brought them, while leveraging Kolb at what I suspect will be his highest value.Also, just like in investing, for every buyer there's a seller. You only really get great value in a trade when one side is wrong. I'm hoping that Seattle is overvaluing Kolb

Great post, its been said numerous times over the years, but Mcnabb and Reids winning percentage is through the roof, at least within the top 5 active in the league currently if not top 3. I'm a donny fan and I will ride him until he's got nothing left. (which is probably next year, or def the year after lol). Since everyone's entitled to their opinion, heres mine, If we get rid of Mcnabb and opt for Kolb the eagles will take a few years to become serious NFC contenders once again.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

The picks are nice, but doesn't address the long-term plan at QB. And the team ain't going anywhere without that. But hey, McNabb will get us to the playoffs again...maybe. Guess we should just be satisfied being the 4th or 5th best in the NFC.

How embarrassing would it be if a Kolb-led Seahawks team knocks the Eagles out in the first round in '11?

Seattle is a bad team, and I expect Kolb to have some growing pains. (especially in Seattle) But when he is ready, is probably be when the Seahawks are also ready to contend. Which in turn will make McNabb 36, and have us looking for our QB of the future.

Teams spend years trying to find a QB. We have a guy who has learned the system and looked pretty good running the offense, and we are going to trade him away. What sense does that make?

If they trade him (still a HUGE if), I would have to think that they weren't confident in his ability to be a great NFL QB. If they were very confident in his abilities, I think they would certainly turn away all offers (which they may be doing, just to be clear) and would definitely let "5" walk after 2010 barring a Super Bowl title.

Super Bowl in 2010? The Philadelphia Eagles? Huh?And that's the point Jason, we're not knocking on the door here. We have to rebuild MOST of this defense because we can't win a title with it. We hit homeruns all over the place on offense last year, becasue McNabb now FINALLY has outstanding skill people to get the ball to. That's an indictment on Reid not Donovan. But to continue this charade of making the postseason with #5 is a joke. 12 years is enough

 

[renesauz]

hey Jason Wood shouldn't the willingness of seattle to offer so much make you possibly reconsider your evaluation of kolb's worth?

Let me clarify something. I don't dispute the Kolb could be good. Presumably Andy used the same scouting eye on him that he did to pick McNabb with the 2nd overall pick. I just don't like the ODDS of betting on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb. And therefore would like to see them keep riding with the horse that brought them, while leveraging Kolb at what I suspect will be his highest value.Also, just like in investing, for every buyer there's a seller. You only really get great value in a trade when one side is wrong. I'm hoping that Seattle is overvaluing Kolb

Kolb willnever have the physical gifts that McNabb has, but McNabb has not improved in other areas as he has gotten older, which is something that the other elite QBs have been willing to do. His accuracy and decision making have continued to be suspect, and that is what is the most frustrating. He has gotten by on his physical attributes, and never put the effort in improving the areas that he was lacking. Kolb showed good touch on the ball when he played, and although he made some mistakes, I would give him the same benifit that I gave McNabb when he was a young QB. Although he might never be an elite QB, I think Kolb fits the WC offense very well, and would like to see if he could open up other avenues on the offense that McNabb has not been able to do.As far as Seattle overvaluing Kolb. Isn't that a huge risk to take on a guy that you have groomed to be the future of the team. The other part that bothers me is the possibility of Vick being the QB if something happens to McNabb, and Donovan hasn't been the healthiest of guys the last few years.

It's easy to knock McNabb's accuracy...but his decision making is top notch...in fact, it's his decision making that makes his accuracy not so big a problem (most of the time). You don't get to be one of the all-time leaders in TD/INT ratio by making bad decisions, ESPECIALLY with average at best accuracy!

 

[Jason Wood]

The picks are nice, but doesn't address the long-term plan at QB. And the team ain't going anywhere without that. But hey, McNabb will get us to the playoffs again...maybe. Guess we should just be satisfied being the 4th or 5th best in the NFC.

How embarrassing would it be if a Kolb-led Seahawks team knocks the Eagles out in the first round in '11?

Seattle is a bad team, and I expect Kolb to have some growing pains. (especially in Seattle) But when he is ready, is probably be when the Seahawks are also ready to contend. Which in turn will make McNabb 36, and have us looking for our QB of the future.

Teams spend years trying to find a QB. We have a guy who has learned the system and looked pretty good running the offense, and we are going to trade him away. What sense does that make?

If they trade him (still a HUGE if), I would have to think that they weren't confident in his ability to be a great NFL QB. If they were very confident in his abilities, I think they would certainly turn away all offers (which they may be doing, just to be clear) and would definitely let "5" walk after 2010 barring a Super Bowl title.

Super Bowl in 2010? The Philadelphia Eagles? Huh?And that's the point Jason, we're not knocking on the door here. We have to rebuild MOST of this defense because we can't win a title with it. We hit homeruns all over the place on offense last year, becasue McNabb now FINALLY has outstanding skill people to get the ball to. That's an indictment on Reid not Donovan. But to continue this charade of making the postseason with #5 is a joke. 12 years is enough

I'm 100% with you that our defense is the problem. So let's go down that road. What's going to help us improve the defense faster, trading Kolb or trading McNabb? You just hit on why I very much don't want them to trade 5. The offense set a franchise record for points scored last year. We can score on anyone. But we need a defense that can get off the field on 3rd down, and make more big plays. More picks, particularly 1st and 2nd rounders, equals quicker turnaround IMHO.

 

[Snotbubbles]

hey Jason Wood shouldn't the willingness of seattle to offer so much make you possibly reconsider your evaluation of kolb's worth?

Let me clarify something. I don't dispute the Kolb could be good. Presumably Andy used the same scouting eye on him that he did to pick McNabb with the 2nd overall pick. I just don't like the ODDS of betting on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb. And therefore would like to see them keep riding with the horse that brought them, while leveraging Kolb at what I suspect will be his highest value.Also, just like in investing, for every buyer there's a seller. You only really get great value in a trade when one side is wrong. I'm hoping that Seattle is overvaluing Kolb

Kolb willnever have the physical gifts that McNabb has, but McNabb has not improved in other areas as he has gotten older, which is something that the other elite QBs have been willing to do. His accuracy and decision making have continued to be suspect, and that is what is the most frustrating. He has gotten by on his physical attributes, and never put the effort in improving the areas that he was lacking. Kolb showed good touch on the ball when he played, and although he made some mistakes, I would give him the same benifit that I gave McNabb when he was a young QB. Although he might never be an elite QB, I think Kolb fits the WC offense very well, and would like to see if he could open up other avenues on the offense that McNabb has not been able to do.As far as Seattle overvaluing Kolb. Isn't that a huge risk to take on a guy that you have groomed to be the future of the team. The other part that bothers me is the possibility of Vick being the QB if something happens to McNabb, and Donovan hasn't been the healthiest of guys the last few years.

It's easy to knock McNabb's accuracy...but his decision making is top notch...in fact, it's his decision making that makes his accuracy not so big a problem (most of the time). You don't get to be one of the all-time leaders in TD/INt ratio by making bad decisions.

One of his greatest strengths is his ability to avoid the rush to give his recievers more time to get open, but on the flip side he has an unwillingness to throw in tight coverage. He will rarely throw it to a player who has a half step on a guy, instead, he tries to wait for him to get wide open, this has caused him to be sacked at a high rate. He also rarely overthrows a guy, for the most part, he will throw it low or bounce it at a reciever, this is where the accuracy come into play because a lot of times the recievers have to go to the ground to make the reception so they get no YAC.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'm 100% with you that our defense is the problem. So let's go down that road. What's going to help us improve the defense faster, trading Kolb or trading McNabb? You just hit on why I very much don't want them to trade 5. The offense set a franchise record for points scored last year. We can score on anyone. But we need a defense that can get off the field on 3rd down, and make more big plays. More picks, particularly 1st and 2nd rounders, equals quicker turnaround IMHO.

...except Dallas

 

[delusional]

Lovely.

We sign a guy coming off two acl injuries to play a new position. What a shocker...i know why they went after him, he is cheap thats why. The guy said himself he isnt even 100% & he is the new FS?

FFS can we trade reid?

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

The picks are nice, but doesn't address the long-term plan at QB. And the team ain't going anywhere without that. But hey, McNabb will get us to the playoffs again...maybe. Guess we should just be satisfied being the 4th or 5th best in the NFC.

How embarrassing would it be if a Kolb-led Seahawks team knocks the Eagles out in the first round in '11?

Seattle is a bad team, and I expect Kolb to have some growing pains. (especially in Seattle) But when he is ready, is probably be when the Seahawks are also ready to contend. Which in turn will make McNabb 36, and have us looking for our QB of the future.

Teams spend years trying to find a QB. We have a guy who has learned the system and looked pretty good running the offense, and we are going to trade him away. What sense does that make?

If they trade him (still a HUGE if), I would have to think that they weren't confident in his ability to be a great NFL QB. If they were very confident in his abilities, I think they would certainly turn away all offers (which they may be doing, just to be clear) and would definitely let "5" walk after 2010 barring a Super Bowl title.

Super Bowl in 2010? The Philadelphia Eagles? Huh?And that's the point Jason, we're not knocking on the door here. We have to rebuild MOST of this defense because we can't win a title with it. We hit homeruns all over the place on offense last year, becasue McNabb now FINALLY has outstanding skill people to get the ball to. That's an indictment on Reid not Donovan. But to continue this charade of making the postseason with #5 is a joke. 12 years is enough

I'm 100% with you that our defense is the problem. So let's go down that road. What's going to help us improve the defense faster, trading Kolb or trading McNabb? You just hit on why I very much don't want them to trade 5. The offense set a franchise record for points scored last year. We can score on anyone. But we need a defense that can get off the field on 3rd down, and make more big plays. More picks, particularly 1st and 2nd rounders, equals quicker turnaround IMHO.

Well for me, I'm not looking for "quick". I'm looking to have the QB position of the Philadelphia Eagles in great hands for this next generation of skill players that they have. What a better time to turn it over to the QB you've been grooming and who I personally think can play in this league while it takes this front office a year or two to build the defense. Since we're in agreement here, this is a pretty barren defense as far as playmakers go - they have alot of work to do there JasonNow I've been a McNabb fan since he was drafted, but he's taken this franchise as far as it can go. The beginning of his career Reid completely mismangaed by giving him absolute slop to work, and in the later part I believe that his leadership skills are nowhere in tow where they need to be in order to be a champion. This isn't a guy that hates to lose is what I'm saying -and even though Im a New Yorker, that doesn't fly in Philadelphia. I can't tell you how dissapointed I was in his antics this year. He's not the leader I want in charge of my team. Most of the fanbase feels this way BTW

So for 2 #1 picks you get what?? Two guys on defense that you HOPE hit and then you have the same 34 year old QB whos skills are going to diminish with no one even close to an heir apparent while the 25 year old goes to Seattle and builds that team?? Doesnt add up to me. IF you don't have the QB in this game, it's next to impossible to win even with a kick ### defense. I just think Kolb is the perfect guy to hand the keys to while getting some value for McNabb and taking two years to turn this D around. You realize that we can easily have 5+ years of dominant offense play with the guys we got now and a young QB in Kolb. Same cant be said for #5

 

[Lehigh98]

I'm 100% with you that our defense is the problem. So let's go down that road. What's going to help us improve the defense faster, trading Kolb or trading McNabb? You just hit on why I very much don't want them to trade 5. The offense set a franchise record for points scored last year. We can score on anyone. But we need a defense that can get off the field on 3rd down, and make more big plays. More picks, particularly 1st and 2nd rounders, equals quicker turnaround IMHO.

Philly's D was 4th in the league in opponents 3rd down conversion rate last year with 34.6%.Link

Philly's O was 24th in the league in 3rd down conversion rate last year with 35.3%, just behind Detroit.

Link

 

[JaxBill]

nice no-risk signing. Can never have too many special teams guys in camp.

The Philadelphia Eagles have signed a new free agent receiver, but he's no one who has played for any other NFL team.Receiver Chad Hall, 23, has completed two years of service as a second lieutenant in the Air Force, and he is now free to pursue a career in pro football.Hall played receiver, running back, and kick returner at the Air Force Academy, and he was named the Mountain West Conference offensive player of the year in 2007. He had 1,478 rushing yards, 524 receiving yards, and 2,683 all-purpose yards. Hall set the school record with 275 rushing yards in one game, against Army.It sounds to us like he's a scaled-down version of Percy Harvin, who might be able to keep DeSean Jackson from being exposed to injury while returning punts.

 

[Fire the Fat Man]

nice no-risk signing. Can never have too many special teams guys in camp.

The Philadelphia Eagles have signed a new free agent receiver, but he's no one who has played for any other NFL team.Receiver Chad Hall, 23, has completed two years of service as a second lieutenant in the Air Force, and he is now free to pursue a career in pro football.Hall played receiver, running back, and kick returner at the Air Force Academy, and he was named the Mountain West Conference offensive player of the year in 2007. He had 1,478 rushing yards, 524 receiving yards, and 2,683 all-purpose yards. Hall set the school record with 275 rushing yards in one game, against Army.It sounds to us like he's a scaled-down version of Percy Harvin, who might be able to keep DeSean Jackson from being exposed to injury while returning punts.

Sounds like another Jeremy Bloom experience and we all know how that worked out.FIRE THE FAT MAN!!!!

 

[JaxBill]

nice no-risk signing. Can never have too many special teams guys in camp.

The Philadelphia Eagles have signed a new free agent receiver, but he's no one who has played for any other NFL team.Receiver Chad Hall, 23, has completed two years of service as a second lieutenant in the Air Force, and he is now free to pursue a career in pro football.Hall played receiver, running back, and kick returner at the Air Force Academy, and he was named the Mountain West Conference offensive player of the year in 2007. He had 1,478 rushing yards, 524 receiving yards, and 2,683 all-purpose yards. Hall set the school record with 275 rushing yards in one game, against Army.It sounds to us like he's a scaled-down version of Percy Harvin, who might be able to keep DeSean Jackson from being exposed to injury while returning punts.

Sounds like another Jeremy Bloom experience and we all know how that worked out.FIRE THE FAT MAN!!!!

Except this guy doesn't cost a 5th round pick.

 

[bweiser]

any chance we can get david hawthorne in this kolb deal?

 

[Incogneto]

For me, I would think this would be what the ACTUAL cost of Kolb should be:

The Falcons traded backup quarterback Matt Schaub to Houston for two second-round picks and an exchange of first-round picks in next month's NFL draft. The trade, initially reported by NFL.com, was confirmed by Schaub's agent, Joby Branion.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

For me, I would think this would be what the ACTUAL cost of Kolb should be:

The Falcons traded backup quarterback Matt Schaub to Houston for two second-round picks and an exchange of first-round picks in next month's NFL draft. The trade, initially reported by NFL.com, was confirmed by Schaub's agent, Joby Branion.

They they likely wouldn't get Kolb.

 

[delusional]

Lovely, a BYU WR lol.

Doesnt this make the Gibson and a pick for Spoon trade look so craptastic

 

[JetMaxx]

I'm 100% with you that our defense is the problem. So let's go down that road. What's going to help us improve the defense faster, trading Kolb or trading McNabb? You just hit on why I very much don't want them to trade 5. The offense set a franchise record for points scored last year. We can score on anyone. But we need a defense that can get off the field on 3rd down, and make more big plays. More picks, particularly 1st and 2nd rounders, equals quicker turnaround IMHO.

As much as I want McNabb gone, and as much as I think the Eagles would benefit from a change at that position, there's no way I could turn down a trade that would potentially give us 6 picks in the first 90 of this incredibly talent rich draft AND an additional #1 or #2 next year. Wow.

 

[musicman_17046]

I'm 100% with you that our defense is the problem. So let's go down that road. What's going to help us improve the defense faster, trading Kolb or trading McNabb? You just hit on why I very much don't want them to trade 5. The offense set a franchise record for points scored last year. We can score on anyone. But we need a defense that can get off the field on 3rd down, and make more big plays. More picks, particularly 1st and 2nd rounders, equals quicker turnaround IMHO.

As much as I want McNabb gone, and as much as I think the Eagles would benefit from a change at that position, there's no way I could turn down a trade that would potentially give us 6 picks in the first 90 of this incredibly talent rich draft AND an additional #1 or #2 next year. Wow.

No doubt,I don't know what Pete Carrol likes to drink,but I'd keep him drinking till this deal is done.

 

[Amused to Death]

The picks are nice, but doesn't address the long-term plan at QB. And the team ain't going anywhere without that. But hey, McNabb will get us to the playoffs again...maybe. Guess we should just be satisfied being the 4th or 5th best in the NFC.

How embarrassing would it be if a Kolb-led Seahawks team knocks the Eagles out in the first round in '11?

Seattle is a bad team, and I expect Kolb to have some growing pains. (especially in Seattle) But when he is ready, is probably be when the Seahawks are also ready to contend. Which in turn will make McNabb 36, and have us looking for our QB of the future.

Teams spend years trying to find a QB. We have a guy who has learned the system and looked pretty good running the offense, and we are going to trade him away. What sense does that make?

If they trade him (still a HUGE if), I would have to think that they weren't confident in his ability to be a great NFL QB. If they were very confident in his abilities, I think they would certainly turn away all offers (which they may be doing, just to be clear) and would definitely let "5" walk after 2010 barring a Super Bowl title.

But that's part of it. They are not knocking on the door for 2010. Why just let 5 walk away and get nothing but another year of not-quite-good-enough and another year wasted with Jackson, Maclin, Celek & McCoy? Is it really that important to make another playoff run and come up short? Or are you the eternal optimist that maybe NEXT year is their year?And lets not forget that one of those nice picks they get for Kolb would probably go to drafting the next QB they have to groom.

ETA: the picks sound nice but before we get all carried away with the picks being thrown around, here's what DH actually said:

Anyway, the info I got was a 1st this year, a conditional next year depending on several factors (but should be no lower than a second) and another pick this year for Kolb. The Eagles are obviously wanting next year's pick that they get to be guarenteed.

That could end up being a mid 1st, a 2nd (or lower) and another pick which who knows what that could be.

 

[delusional]

well apparently the eagles are bringing in fargas and baskett

 

[Nagle2998]

I don't know why such love for Kolb all of a sudden when he was drafted everyone said it was way to early and he wasn't good enough to be a starter. Then after his rookie year and a horrible debut against the Ravens people said he was a bust and he could never start in the NFL. He was average in his preseason games but all of sudden after a whole two NFL games he is the next Drew Brees. The guy beat up on a bad Chiefs team and played good not great against an average Saints secondary. I'm not saying he is bad or wont be any good but for people to say they wouldn't trade him for a first plus baffles me.

 

[drdgreenlove]

I don't know why such love for Kolb all of a sudden when he was drafted everyone said it was way to early and he wasn't good enough to be a starter. Then after his rookie year and a horrible debut against the Ravens people said he was a bust and he could never start in the NFL. He was average in his preseason games but all of sudden after a whole two NFL games he is the next Drew Brees. The guy beat up on a bad Chiefs team and played good not great against an average Saints secondary. I'm not saying he is bad or wont be any good but for people to say they wouldn't trade him for a first plus baffles me.

1) Kolb is highly thought of by many NFL insiders which raises his value2) To develop a QB takes a few years.. Kolb is felt to be "there"... which also raises his value.. he can produce more in the first few years than a rookie QB could.3) Drafting a QB in the 1st is a risk.. with Kolb, he is much closer to a sure thing.. at worst an average QB,, at best much better,,,, compare that to Claussen.. who could easily bust4) If Kolb is "ready", he may be the best chance the Eagles get at a top QB for awhile.. he is ours already...5) The Eagles have no reason to trade Kolb.. which raises his value. If you want something that someone else doesnt want to trade, the price goes upKolb's value is helped by by Aaron Rodgers who has done well after a few years of bench-warming..

 

[Cassius]

I'd be shocked if Kolb fetched two 1sts. Shocked.

 

[D'OHtis]

I'd rather get a 2nd and later round pick for McNabb than 2 1st's +[one of which at the very least you're going to pay big money to) for Kolb.

You can improve your defense with 2nd, 3rd etc.. picks. That's why you have scouts. The only thing a high pick guarantees you is a higher paid player....not a better player.

I think it's an absolute no brainer to keep the young guy you've groomed in that offense for 3 years now I believe. I reject all offers for him -- and I think they may be doing that -- just not openly to hurt McNabb's feelings. I don't think they'll get offered 2 firsts -- what was traded for Schaub?

 

[Slider]

I don't know why such love for Kolb all of a sudden when he was drafted everyone said it was way to early and he wasn't good enough to be a starter. Then after his rookie year and a horrible debut against the Ravens people said he was a bust and he could never start in the NFL. He was average in his preseason games but all of sudden after a whole two NFL games he is the next Drew Brees. The guy beat up on a bad Chiefs team and played good not great against an average Saints secondary. I'm not saying he is bad or wont be any good but for people to say they wouldn't trade him for a first plus baffles me.

You mean the game where McNabb was awful and got benched? The one where Kolb then came in and went 5-5 as he drove them down the field only to throw a pick to the best DB in the league? It was a more horrible performance by the 10 year vet than anything.

 

[Slider]

hey Jason Wood shouldn't the willingness of seattle to offer so much make you possibly reconsider your evaluation of kolb's worth?

Let me clarify something. I don't dispute the Kolb could be good. Presumably Andy used the same scouting eye on him that he did to pick McNabb with the 2nd overall pick. I just don't like the ODDS of betting on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb. And therefore would like to see them keep riding with the horse that brought them, while leveraging Kolb at what I suspect will be his highest value.Also, just like in investing, for every buyer there's a seller. You only really get great value in a trade when one side is wrong. I'm hoping that Seattle is overvaluing Kolb

Kolb willnever have the physical gifts that McNabb has, but McNabb has not improved in other areas as he has gotten older, which is something that the other elite QBs have been willing to do. His accuracy and decision making have continued to be suspect, and that is what is the most frustrating. He has gotten by on his physical attributes, and never put the effort in improving the areas that he was lacking. Kolb showed good touch on the ball when he played, and although he made some mistakes, I would give him the same benifit that I gave McNabb when he was a young QB. Although he might never be an elite QB, I think Kolb fits the WC offense very well, and would like to see if he could open up other avenues on the offense that McNabb has not been able to do.As far as Seattle overvaluing Kolb. Isn't that a huge risk to take on a guy that you have groomed to be the future of the team. The other part that bothers me is the possibility of Vick being the QB if something happens to McNabb, and Donovan hasn't been the healthiest of guys the last few years.

It's easy to knock McNabb's accuracy...but his decision making is top notch...in fact, it's his decision making that makes his accuracy not so big a problem (most of the time). You don't get to be one of the all-time leaders in TD/INT ratio by making bad decisions, ESPECIALLY with average at best accuracy!

The heck you don't. He's only good at that because he holds it forever and takes the sack or runs for a half yard. That's the ONLY thing he's real good at. Why don't you list the top 5 for that telling stat?

 

[CaptainHook]

hey Jason Wood shouldn't the willingness of seattle to offer so much make you possibly reconsider your evaluation of kolb's worth?

Let me clarify something. I don't dispute the Kolb could be good. Presumably Andy used the same scouting eye on him that he did to pick McNabb with the 2nd overall pick. I just don't like the ODDS of betting on Kolb being as good or better than McNabb. And therefore would like to see them keep riding with the horse that brought them, while leveraging Kolb at what I suspect will be his highest value.Also, just like in investing, for every buyer there's a seller. You only really get great value in a trade when one side is wrong. I'm hoping that Seattle is overvaluing Kolb

Kolb willnever have the physical gifts that McNabb has, but McNabb has not improved in other areas as he has gotten older, which is something that the other elite QBs have been willing to do. His accuracy and decision making have continued to be suspect, and that is what is the most frustrating. He has gotten by on his physical attributes, and never put the effort in improving the areas that he was lacking. Kolb showed good touch on the ball when he played, and although he made some mistakes, I would give him the same benifit that I gave McNabb when he was a young QB. Although he might never be an elite QB, I think Kolb fits the WC offense very well, and would like to see if he could open up other avenues on the offense that McNabb has not been able to do.As far as Seattle overvaluing Kolb. Isn't that a huge risk to take on a guy that you have groomed to be the future of the team. The other part that bothers me is the possibility of Vick being the QB if something happens to McNabb, and Donovan hasn't been the healthiest of guys the last few years.

It's easy to knock McNabb's accuracy...but his decision making is top notch...in fact, it's his decision making that makes his accuracy not so big a problem (most of the time). You don't get to be one of the all-time leaders in TD/INT ratio by making bad decisions, ESPECIALLY with average at best accuracy!

The heck you don't. He's only good at that because he holds it forever and takes the sack or runs for a half yard. That's the ONLY thing he's real good at. Why don't you list the top 5 for that telling stat?

heheand how about throwing the ball into the dirt in the 4th q with the game on the line because youd rather have your stat line contain a good td/int ratio than win the game.

im completely convinced he actually considered things like this during the game.

 

[Nagle2998]

You mean the game where McNabb was awful and got benched? The one where Kolb then came in and went 5-5 as he drove them down the field only to throw a pick to the best DB in the league? It was a more horrible performance by the 10 year vet than anything.

I wasn't trying to say Kolb is garbage but prior to this year almost everyone was down him then after two games he is the next great one.

 

[JetMaxx]

I'll never again argue for McNabb. Tired of the act, failures, same ole, same ole, etc. However, if a team is willing to throw a ton of value your way for a semi-proven commodity, then yes I have to do it and take my chances with the old guy. This defense needs playmakers more than the offense needs a change at QB. All of those picks will hopefully fascilitate that. That said, why not trade both McNabb and Kolb and roll with Vick? Now THAT would be an offseason to discuss/debate.

 

[delusional]

its not everyone loves kolb, its just that many sheep hate mcnabb.

they are merging the hate and the justification for drafting kolb that high when we had other glaring needs.

and for all the hate mcnabb gets, reid deserves just the same, if not more

i honestly am going to laugh my ### off if all 3 QBs walk next year ( due to refusing to resign, holding out, etc )

eagles are seriously too high on their horse and it is going to bite them

 

[Amused to Death]

its not everyone loves kolb, its just that many sheep hate mcnabb.

they are merging the hate and the justification for drafting kolb that high when we had other glaring needs.

and for all the hate mcnabb gets, reid deserves just the same, if not more

i honestly am going to laugh my ### off if all 3 QBs walk next year ( due to refusing to resign, holding out, etc )

eagles are seriously too high on their horse and it is going to bite them

As long as you're not lumping everyone who wants to see McNabb traded as 'haters'. That would be a very simplistic and narrow-minded thing to do. Some fans just want to move on. And I agree with you about Reid.The thinking that a McNabb trade would be a good thing does not equal "hater". Some of us are "Eagles" fans first and "McNabb" fans second.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

its not everyone loves kolb, its just that many sheep hate mcnabb.

they are merging the hate and the justification for drafting kolb that high when we had other glaring needs.

and for all the hate mcnabb gets, reid deserves just the same, if not more

i honestly am going to laugh my ### off if all 3 QBs walk next year ( due to refusing to resign, holding out, etc )

eagles are seriously too high on their horse and it is going to bite them

As long as you're not lumping everyone who wants to see McNabb traded as 'haters'. That would be a very simplistic and narrow-minded thing to do. Some fans just want to move on. And I agree with you about Reid.The thinking that a McNabb trade would be a good thing does not equal "hater". Some of us are "Eagles" fans first and "McNabb" fans second.

Other than his leadership skills in the past year or so, I have always been a fan of McNabb. The guy had a great career in Philly, and I hope when he leaves he throws Reid under the bus for the disgusting job he did early in his career giving him absoutely nothing to work with. They were going to NFC title games with James Thrash and Todd Pinkston as their top recievers - just pathetic.I just think we need to turn the page, if they let Dawk go without batting an eye, then why not get some compensation for McNabb now, becasue you know damn well there not signing him after this season. If they were, they would have done it last summer instead of just giving him more money to shut him up.

 

[CaptainHook]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

 

[Lehigh98]

reid is a top 5 coach

I'd say McNabb and Reid are overrated outside of Philly and underrated inside of Philly.People looking in from the outside look at stat lines and winning percentage and think, these guys are great.People in Philly that watch every game, boneheaded throw, decision, play call, time management mistake think differently.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

You can't be serious with the people he gave McNabb to work with the first five years of his career. Top 5 coach? How can a guy who has never won a title in 12 years be considered a top 5 coach.

 

[gonzobill5]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

You can't be serious with the people he gave McNabb to work with the first five years of his career. Top 5 coach? How can a guy who has never won a title in 12 years be considered a top 5 coach.

By your criteria, there are only 4 coaches in the top 5.

 

[Jason Wood]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

You can't be serious with the people he gave McNabb to work with the first five years of his career. Top 5 coach? How can a guy who has never won a title in 12 years be considered a top 5 coach.

What coaches currently in the NFL are better?I'll give you without argument:*** Bill Belichick*** Mike ShanahanWho else is definitively better? Gruden, Dungy and Cowher are all in the broadcast booth. Meanwhile Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl until his 14th season in Pittsburgh by the way. Dungy won his only SB title in his 11th season as an NFL head coach. I guess you could argue that Payton, Tomlin and Coughlin go ahead of Andy b/c they have the bling, but I wouldn't argue that b/c of their duration and consistency (Payton and Tomlin haven't been at it long enough, Coughlin hasn't been as consistently good).But beyond that?Jeff Fisher? He's been coaching the same team for 16 seasons and still doesn't have a ring. He's got one conference championship and 4 division titles. He's 5-6 in the playoffs and has a .555 regular season winning percentage. Meanwhile Andy also has one conference championship and 6 division titles in 5 fewer seasons. He's 10-8 in the playoffs (double Fisher's playoff wins in 5 less seasons), and has a .617 regular season winning percentage. By any objective measure Andy has done more than Fisher.So who else would you say is better than Reid and is currently coaching?

 

[phillyphan07]

the crowd at the eagles games just got significantly hotter

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-eag...t_on_board.html

 

[dhockster]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

You can't be serious with the people he gave McNabb to work with the first five years of his career. Top 5 coach? How can a guy who has never won a title in 12 years be considered a top 5 coach.

What coaches currently in the NFL are better?I'll give you without argument:*** Bill Belichick*** Mike ShanahanWho else is definitively better? Gruden, Dungy and Cowher are all in the broadcast booth. Meanwhile Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl until his 14th season in Pittsburgh by the way. Dungy won his only SB title in his 11th season as an NFL head coach. I guess you could argue that Payton, Tomlin and Coughlin go ahead of Andy b/c they have the bling, but I wouldn't argue that b/c of their duration and consistency (Payton and Tomlin haven't been at it long enough, Coughlin hasn't been as consistently good).But beyond that?Jeff Fisher? He's been coaching the same team for 16 seasons and still doesn't have a ring. He's got one conference championship and 4 division titles. He's 5-6 in the playoffs and has a .555 regular season winning percentage. Meanwhile Andy also has one conference championship and 6 division titles in 5 fewer seasons. He's 10-8 in the playoffs (double Fisher's playoff wins in 5 less seasons), and has a .617 regular season winning percentage. By any objective measure Andy has done more than Fisher.So who else would you say is better than Reid and is currently coaching?

Based on the overall results, I do not see why some Eagles fans have such disdain for Reid. I think consistently making the playoffs, especially with the injuries that teams go through, show what type of coach he is. He has lost McNabb twice with 6 games to go in the season, and made the playoffs both times with backup QBs. The other time that McNabb went out during the season was the TO fiasco season, and really the only bad season the Eagles have had under Reid, other than his first season. I think last year, with the injuries the team had and the youth on the team, it was amazing that the Eagles not only made the playoffs, but were one win away from having a first round bye.When McNabb leaves the Eagles, assuming Reid is still the coach, we may get some idea as to whether the Eagles success during the last decade has been due more to McNabb or more to Reid. I have a feeling the Eagles will continue to win when McNabb is gone, showing that Reid is the primary reason for the Eagles continued success. Just my opinion.

 

[renesauz]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

You can't be serious with the people he gave McNabb to work with the first five years of his career. Top 5 coach? How can a guy who has never won a title in 12 years be considered a top 5 coach.

What coaches currently in the NFL are better?I'll give you without argument:*** Bill Belichick*** Mike ShanahanWho else is definitively better? Gruden, Dungy and Cowher are all in the broadcast booth. Meanwhile Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl until his 14th season in Pittsburgh by the way. Dungy won his only SB title in his 11th season as an NFL head coach. I guess you could argue that Payton, Tomlin and Coughlin go ahead of Andy b/c they have the bling, but I wouldn't argue that b/c of their duration and consistency (Payton and Tomlin haven't been at it long enough, Coughlin hasn't been as consistently good).But beyond that?Jeff Fisher? He's been coaching the same team for 16 seasons and still doesn't have a ring. He's got one conference championship and 4 division titles. He's 5-6 in the playoffs and has a .555 regular season winning percentage. Meanwhile Andy also has one conference championship and 6 division titles in 5 fewer seasons. He's 10-8 in the playoffs (double Fisher's playoff wins in 5 less seasons), and has a .617 regular season winning percentage. By any objective measure Andy has done more than Fisher.So who else would you say is better than Reid and is currently coaching?

Reid is a top five coach, no doubt about that. He is not a perfect coach though....when he's calling the plays, he can get predictable. To his credit, when that's happened in the past, he's passed play calling responsibilities off (at least temporarily.)

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

reid is a top 5 coach where is this hate coming from?? a little failed experimentation with roster design(while still fielding a competitive team every single year) shouldn't be considered 'pathetic.' his willingness to deviate from the rest of the league is a huge reason he's been consistently successful.

You can't be serious with the people he gave McNabb to work with the first five years of his career. Top 5 coach? How can a guy who has never won a title in 12 years be considered a top 5 coach.

What coaches currently in the NFL are better?I'll give you without argument:*** Bill Belichick*** Mike ShanahanWho else is definitively better? Gruden, Dungy and Cowher are all in the broadcast booth. Meanwhile Cowher didn't win a Super Bowl until his 14th season in Pittsburgh by the way. Dungy won his only SB title in his 11th season as an NFL head coach. I guess you could argue that Payton, Tomlin and Coughlin go ahead of Andy b/c they have the bling, but I wouldn't argue that b/c of their duration and consistency (Payton and Tomlin haven't been at it long enough, Coughlin hasn't been as consistently good).But beyond that?Jeff Fisher? He's been coaching the same team for 16 seasons and still doesn't have a ring. He's got one conference championship and 4 division titles. He's 5-6 in the playoffs and has a .555 regular season winning percentage. Meanwhile Andy also has one conference championship and 6 division titles in 5 fewer seasons. He's 10-8 in the playoffs (double Fisher's playoff wins in 5 less seasons), and has a .617 regular season winning percentage. By any objective measure Andy has done more than Fisher.So who else would you say is better than Reid and is currently coaching?

Reid is a top five coach, no doubt about that. He is not a perfect coach though....when he's calling the plays, he can get predictable. To his credit, when that's happened in the past, he's passed play calling responsibilities off (at least temporarily.)

If you think Andy Reid is a better head coach than Sean Peyton, there's no need to continue this further from my end. The guy is the 3rd best coach in his own division and your talking top 5 in the league? Please

 

[CaptainHook]

reid is an incredible gameplanner and a very good personnel guy. ill concede that this team has probably been one of the worst while the game is actually happening when it comes to time management and adjusting to the opponent, (though this could easily be mostly mcnabbs fault?) but these things are just not that important if you've got the other things right.

ignatius who do you want to give the credit to for their very high level of success? do you just hate everyone?

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

reid is an incredible gameplanner and a very good personnel guy. ill concede that this team has probably been one of the worst while the game is actually happening when it comes to time management and adjusting to the opponent, (though this could easily be mostly mcnabbs fault?) but these things are just not that important if you've got the other things right. ignatius who do you want to give the credit to for their very high level of success? do you just hate everyone?

I think Andy Reid's best quality is his ability to draw up plays, he's actually outstanding at it, under rated is you ask me. People get open in his offense. He clock management is literally pathetic, how can you be a top 5 coach when you don't know how to use your time outs effectively. They lost the Superbowl because of it!!! I think Andy Reid is a GOOD football coach. When you have been in a town for 11 years and have had the teams that he has had and have failed to win a Superbowl, some of that has to fall on you? Right? Top 5 is just insane I'm sorry. Again not worth me continuning. I'm a fan of the team, but I don't know how you can sit there and contiue to have 11 win season and not brign it home, without putting responsibility on the coaching staff. Just dont get. This team throws the ball 65% of the time, you can't tell me that hasn't impedded their sucess. Whatever

 

[CaptainHook]

im actually of the opinion that 65% throwing has increased their success, but I definitely understand where you're coming from. His clock management really is pitiful.

top 5 is certainly arguable, but more importantly than where you'd rank him is the fact that it would be very tough to replace him with someone better. especially with his system so firmly in place now. hes got some very glaring deficiencies that show up at the most frustrating times but try not to forget that he has a ton of positives as well