*** Official 2010 Philadelphia Eagles Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Ignatius Reilly]

im actually of the opinion that 65% throwing has increased their success, but I definitely understand where you're coming from. His clock management really is pitiful. top 5 is certainly arguable, but more importantly than where you'd rank him is the fact that it would be very tough to replace him with someone better. especially with his system so firmly in place now. hes got some very glaring deficiencies that show up at the most frustrating times but try not to forget that he has a ton of positives as well

I hear you brother, by no means am I on the Reid lynch mob, I just think he is in the middle of the pack as far as a head coaches, and yes him not winning a Superbowl goes into that for me. I didn't have a problem with them resigning him as much as the town did apprently. I mean who are we going to bring in here?? Other than Cowher, you can have it. I do have a problem with McNabb back for another year though, and Reid seems to be behind it. I think hes a good football coach, I this his teams play hard for him and like everyone else I think he has his negatives. I love the fact that he pisses the press off and refuses to feed into their crap, actually one of my favorite parts on him. He also understands (and I give him credit for this) the importance of how the game is won upfront, because I think he has always made it a point of having solid lines - right now both are bit thin, but i have no doubts he won't fix it. He's just not a Top 5 coach I mean I just don't see it. In my opinion yes, he passes WAY too much. You have any idea the numbers Westbrook could have had as great as he was?Like I said I didnt have a problem with the 3 years extension, but I don't know if I have another contract in me with him should he fail to bring it home, and no way is he bringing it home next year. He needs 2 years to build this D

 

[delusional]

reid is an incredible gameplanner and a very good personnel guy. ill concede that this team has probably been one of the worst while the game is actually happening when it comes to time management and adjusting to the opponent, (though this could easily be mostly mcnabbs fault?) but these things are just not that important if you've got the other things right. ignatius who do you want to give the credit to for their very high level of success? do you just hate everyone?

gameplanning yes he is goodpersonell ....eh thats a toss up ( look at the WR position over the years )the very worst area to be bad in is game time adjustments and clock management, reid is very stubborn here and that has been the fault of alot of losses over the years. this is why people want him gone because in 11 years he has failed to show any change in the matter,

 

[musicman_17046]

The worst part of AR is sticking with a QB who does not fit his scheme. #5 would be a great fit in a run first offense,a system that can use play action.I scream at my TV every stinking time I see us pass 5 straight plays and then 5 fakes a handoff.Who the hell are you fooling ?

 

[delusional]

The worst part of AR is sticking with a QB who does not fit his scheme. #5 would be a great fit in a run first offense,a system that can use play action.I scream at my TV every stinking time I see us pass 5 straight plays and then 5 fakes a handoff.Who the hell are you fooling ?

THIS! Some talking heads have criticized him for this over the years but its just not enough. the local media here is too chicken #### to say anything to him in his press conferences. funny is watching the play action when they have like 5 runs going into the 4th

 

[CaptainHook]

The worst part of AR is sticking with a QB who does not fit his scheme. #5 would be a great fit in a run first offense,a system that can use play action.I scream at my TV every stinking time I see us pass 5 straight plays and then 5 fakes a handoff.Who the hell are you fooling ?

lmao you make a good pointi dont think its possible to design an offense that better demonstrated mcnabbs weaknesses and minimized his strengths

 

[JetMaxx]

reid is an incredible gameplanner and a very good personnel guy. ill concede that this team has probably been one of the worst while the game is actually happening when it comes to time management and adjusting to the opponent, (though this could easily be mostly mcnabbs fault?) but these things are just not that important if you've got the other things right.

ignatius who do you want to give the credit to for their very high level of success? do you just hate everyone?

I think Andy Reid's best quality is his ability to draw up plays, he's actually outstanding at it, under rated is you ask me. People get open in his offense. He clock management is literally pathetic, how can you be a top 5 coach when you don't know how to use your time outs effectively. They lost the Superbowl because of it!!! I think Andy Reid is a GOOD football coach. When you have been in a town for 11 years and have had the teams that he has had and have failed to win a Superbowl, some of that has to fall on you? Right? Top 5 is just insane I'm sorry. Again not worth me continuning. I'm a fan of the team, but I don't know how you can sit there and contiue to have 11 win season and not brign it home, without putting responsibility on the coaching staff. Just dont get. This team throws the ball 65% of the time, you can't tell me that hasn't impedded their sucess. Whatever

Correction, they actually lost the Super bowl because #5 left way too many points on the field in the first half with his poor passes and the fact that the Pats abused JJ with their play calling in the 2nd half. Time management was WAY down on the list in that one.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

reid is an incredible gameplanner and a very good personnel guy. ill concede that this team has probably been one of the worst while the game is actually happening when it comes to time management and adjusting to the opponent, (though this could easily be mostly mcnabbs fault?) but these things are just not that important if you've got the other things right.

ignatius who do you want to give the credit to for their very high level of success? do you just hate everyone?

I think Andy Reid's best quality is his ability to draw up plays, he's actually outstanding at it, under rated is you ask me. People get open in his offense. He clock management is literally pathetic, how can you be a top 5 coach when you don't know how to use your time outs effectively. They lost the Superbowl because of it!!! I think Andy Reid is a GOOD football coach. When you have been in a town for 11 years and have had the teams that he has had and have failed to win a Superbowl, some of that has to fall on you? Right? Top 5 is just insane I'm sorry. Again not worth me continuning. I'm a fan of the team, but I don't know how you can sit there and contiue to have 11 win season and not brign it home, without putting responsibility on the coaching staff. Just dont get. This team throws the ball 65% of the time, you can't tell me that hasn't impedded their sucess. Whatever

Correction, they actually lost the Super bowl because #5 left way too many points on the field in the first half with his poor passes and the fact that the Pats abused JJ with their play calling in the 2nd half. Time management was WAY down on the list in that one.

So their clock management in the 2nd part of the 4th quarter was acceptable for you? Belicheck literally asked Weiss facitously if New England had the lead because he was so dumbfounded what he was watching. Ask anyone about that Superbowl and it's the first thing they mention.

 

[JetMaxx]

reid is an incredible gameplanner and a very good personnel guy. ill concede that this team has probably been one of the worst while the game is actually happening when it comes to time management and adjusting to the opponent, (though this could easily be mostly mcnabbs fault?) but these things are just not that important if you've got the other things right.

ignatius who do you want to give the credit to for their very high level of success? do you just hate everyone?

I think Andy Reid's best quality is his ability to draw up plays, he's actually outstanding at it, under rated is you ask me. People get open in his offense. He clock management is literally pathetic, how can you be a top 5 coach when you don't know how to use your time outs effectively. They lost the Superbowl because of it!!! I think Andy Reid is a GOOD football coach. When you have been in a town for 11 years and have had the teams that he has had and have failed to win a Superbowl, some of that has to fall on you? Right? Top 5 is just insane I'm sorry. Again not worth me continuning. I'm a fan of the team, but I don't know how you can sit there and contiue to have 11 win season and not brign it home, without putting responsibility on the coaching staff. Just dont get. This team throws the ball 65% of the time, you can't tell me that hasn't impedded their sucess. Whatever

Correction, they actually lost the Super bowl because #5 left way too many points on the field in the first half with his poor passes and the fact that the Pats abused JJ with their play calling in the 2nd half. Time management was WAY down on the list in that one.

So their clock management in the 2nd part of the 4th quarter was acceptable for you? Belicheck literally asked Weiss facitously if New England had the lead because he was so dumbfounded what he was watching. Ask anyone about that Superbowl and it's the first thing they mention.

Certainly not, but the Eagles were already behind by that point. Again, I think the way the clock was handled during the latter part of the 4th quarter was more an indictment of McNabb than Reid. I remember hearing the story of how Reid demanded that NFL Films NOT broadcast the sideline comments recorded during that time frame. I'm sure there were a number of players wondering what the heck was going on out on the field. Maybe McNabb was sick(ala TO's comments), hurt, or having one of his epic panic attacks. Either way he was taking his good ole time getting up to the line and starting the play.My point is that while clock management may have had a hand in losing the game, there were other more significant attributing factors that played a greater role.

 

[JetMaxx]

Come on DH, tell me somethin's cookin' here....A bit concerned that Reid overplayed his hand considering the news that Whitehurst might sign in SEA and CLE has acquired all available stiffs at QB in anticipation of a draft pick.

 

[Jason Wood]

The main scenario has always been that the status quo would remain. Any trades were lower probability events. That said, DH DID say 70% chance, which is a big number to put out there. I assume he'll give us an update when he has one, and when he feels comfortable sharing it such that it doesn't put his friend in a tough spot.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

The main scenario has always been that the status quo would remain. Any trades were lower probability events. That said, DH DID say 70% chance, which is a big number to put out there. I assume he'll give us an update when he has one, and when he feels comfortable sharing it such that it doesn't put his friend in a tough spot.

He was almost positive something was going to happen with the picks being thrown around the way they were. That being said, I haven't been able to get a hold of him since Sunday, so something may still be cookin'.....

 

[unckeyherb]

Must we go around on this time and again? We clearly agree to disagree. I'm not saying that Andy Reid feels that trading McNabb for 2.06 is a bad idea. I'm not saying he wouldn't take less. I'm saying that MY PERSONAL OPINION is that taking 2.06 this year for McNabb would be a horrible decision and, if it were to happen, I would give up my season tickets. I'm not pretending to assert my statement as anything other than my personal, and biased, viewpoint.

I think moving McNabb for the 2.06 would be bad for the team too. However, when you say silly things like "I would give up my season tickets" that everyone reading this knows you will never do, it muddies-up what you are trying to say.Like if I were to say "if the Vikings move to Los Angeles, I will light my hair on fire!" Would I be upset if the team leaves for SoCal, just because people around the NFL think higher stadium revenues should be a higher priority to the State legislature than not racking up debt and/or cutting a lot of public-sector jobs and services? YES. Would I actually light my hair on fire? Not a chance.

So...if you simply drop the "I'll give up my season tickets" claim, peace and order should be restored to the thread. H2H.

Sorry Derek, I'm being 100% truthful. If we trade McNabb for the 2.06 straight up, with no other considerations, I will give up my season tickets.

Whats the thinking here?

I'll be livid

I probably would as well. I'd actually be very pissed if that was all we got for McNabb, at that point I'd rather them keep him for this year. That being said, IM me if/when it happens; While I'll be pissed I'll have no problem going to the games so I'll take those tix off of ya!

 

[Lehigh98]

Sorry Derek, I'm being 100% truthful. If we trade McNabb for the 2.06 straight up, with no other considerations, I will give up my season tickets.

Whats the thinking here?

I'll be livid

I probably would as well. I'd actually be very pissed if that was all we got for McNabb, at that point I'd rather them keep him for this year. That being said, IM me if/when it happens; While I'll be pissed I'll have no problem going to the games so I'll take those tix off of ya!

Can only get a 2.06 for McNabb? Meh... we'll keep him.Only $1.5MM roster bonus for Vick and no trade interest? Meh, we'll keep him.Can't get two first rounders for Kolb? Meh, we'll keep him.Ok, but do we like any enough to actually work out a deal for an extension?

 

[CaptainHook]

do you guys seriously think 2.06 for a mediocre qb with only a year or two left in the tank on a very short term contract is a bad deal?? have u been paying any attention to how the nfl works??????? you realize theres no such thing as qbbc right?

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

do you guys seriously think 2.06 for a mediocre qb with only a year or two left in the tank on a very short term contract is a bad deal?? have u been paying any attention to how the nfl works??????? you realize theres no such thing as qbbc right?

Say what you want about McNabb, but he's not a mediocre QB. I just don't think he's the right fit for the future of this team. Love the Bell offer sheet signing. Turns only 27 next month and can fill in nicely with McCoy and Weaver plus they don't have to draft an RB early now since that complimentary back was an issue.

 

[CaptainHook]

off the top of my head from last season

manning

brady

brees

rivers

rodgers

favre

romo

schaub

roethlesberger

warner

thats 10 qb's that were better than him last year. the only one on that list that i would even let you argue about is schaub. this year there are a lot of young studs who will potentially be better than him [cutler, flacco, stafford, ryan... dare i say kolb ]

hes on the mediocre level of the hasselbacks and eli mannings of the league.

 

[Ash]

I like Mike Bell on this team a lot, hopefully the Saints don't match. The kid is a really hard, physical runner. Would give us someone with a totally different style to McCoy which might help some days, when one guy will work better than the other v. a certain defense and situation.

 

[Snotbubbles]

off the top of my head from last seasonmanningbradybreesriversrodgersfavreromoschaubroethlesbergerwarnerthats 10 qb's that were better than him last year. the only one on that list that i would even let you argue about is schaub. this year there are a lot of young studs who will potentially be better than him [cutler, flacco, stafford, ryan... dare i say kolb ]hes on the mediocre level of the hasselbacks and eli mannings of the league.

McNabb was on par with Warner, Roethlisberger, Romo. In case you missed it, the Eagles offense was 5th in the league in points.

 

[CaptainHook]

footballoutsiders has him ranked as the 16th best QB.

brian burke of advanced nfl stats has him ranked as the 15th best QB.

these are just simple statistical measures so they cant be biased like us moronic eagles fans that dont know how good we have it...Lol.

the guy is mediocre to begin with and plays even worse in big games. ugh i really wish i didnt have to rage about mcnabb but its simply infuriating how much more credit this guy gets than he deserves. the media acts like hes a victim but he is seriously OVERrated.

 

[Ignatius Reilly]

footballoutsiders has him ranked as the 16th best QB.brian burke of advanced nfl stats has him ranked as the 15th best QB.these are just simple statistical measures so they cant be biased like us moronic eagles fans that dont know how good we have it...Lol.the guy is mediocre to begin with and plays even worse in big games. ugh i really wish i didnt have to rage about mcnabb but its simply infuriating how much more credit this guy gets than he deserves. the media acts like hes a victim but he is seriously OVERrated.

How is McNabb medicore when only 4 teams scored more points than the offense he led last year (NO, Minn, GB and SD)

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

An outsider view of the situation, I think the Eagles are nuts if they don't turn things over to Kolb this year. They need to see what he has and if he is the future. IMO, the future with McNabb is the same as the past, good but not great teams that never win the big one. I personally think Kolb would have a hard time not succeeding with all that talent around him.

 

[Gold Standard]

An outsider view of the situation, I think the Eagles are nuts if they don't turn things over to Kolb this year. They need to see what he has and if he is the future. IMO, the future with McNabb is the same as the past, good but not great teams that never win the big one. I personally think Kolb would have a hard time not succeeding with all that talent around him.

Kevin Kolb era needs to start in 2010 - McNabb will never bring home a title.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

The Hokie connections just keep on coming.

The Philadelphia Eagles have acquired DE Darryl Tapp for a 2010 4th round pick and DE Chris Clemons. Clemons, acquired from Oakland, was a disappointment for the Eagles since he signed as a free agent in 2008. The addition of Tapp is a strong one and he instantly becomes a strong candidate to contribute in 2010. Trent Cole desperately needed help on the other side of the front four, and the young Tapp (25) could do just that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagle...ensive_end.html

Excellent acquisition.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The Hokie connections just keep on coming.

The Philadelphia Eagles have acquired DE Darryl Tapp for a 2010 4th round pick and DE Chris Clemons. Clemons, acquired from Oakland, was a disappointment for the Eagles since he signed as a free agent in 2008. The addition of Tapp is a strong one and he instantly becomes a strong candidate to contribute in 2010. Trent Cole desperately needed help on the other side of the front four, and the young Tapp (25) could do just that.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagle...ensive_end.html

Excellent acquisition.

I'll take that for IMO basically nothing. I just hope he can provide a decent rush opposite Cole. I don't know much about him though.

 

[delusional]

So they traded one over valued rotation DE + a 4th rounder for a younger unheard of rotational DE ....

and ill wait until draft to see what is done trade wise, if they go into this season with mcnabb kolb and vick still as their QBs, they are #### ups.

 

[G-King]

So they traded one over valued rotation DE + a 4th rounder for a younger unheard of rotational DE ....and ill wait until draft to see what is done trade wise, if they go into this season with mcnabb kolb and vick still as their QBs, they are #### ups.

They may have Vick if they cant get offers, but IMO..... McNabb wont take another Eagle snap. Whether he is traded for a first, a second, or a ham sandwich- he is gone. I also think that the Eagles offense is going to be pretty potent in terms of fantasy output next year.

 

[CaptainHook]

can anyone go into detail about darryl tapp?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Didn't they tender him at a 2nd round pick?

 

[E-A-G-L-E-S]

I know from playing IDP good things were expected of Tapp. 2007 he had 7 sacks in his second year. His sack numbers have dropped each of past 2 years, not sure if it is him or the general drop off of the seahawks in general. I think it is a good move. Clemmons is worthless, and Tapp has likely more potential then a 4th rd pick, while still only 25

 

[Jason Wood]

So an offer sheet for Bell and a 4th rounder to swap backup caliber DEs? Greaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat.

BTW, I fear this was the "draft pick chatter" that Seattle and Philly were going back and forth about.

 

[zadok]

unheard of rotational DE ....

Maybe to you...Tapp has great talent and great promise.

 

[zadok]

Didn't they tender him at a 2nd round pick?

He signed his tender before the trade.

 

[zadok]

So an offer sheet for Bell

I'm not happy about that either. Bell is completely non-dependable.

 

[Jason Wood]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

Are you on of them Eagle fans that wants every great FA, every year?

 

[Gold Standard]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

Are you on of them Eagle fans that wants every great FA, every year?

Exactly, you wanted them to back up a Brinks truck to Peppers? A guy that has all the makings of a Jevon Kearse. Should they have poured 37 million into Antrel Rolle? This isn't getting turned around defensively in one FA period, sorry.

 

[Jason Wood]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

Are you on of them Eagle fans that wants every great FA, every year?

New here?I'm wasn't an advocate of Peppers, and was happy to see him go. But let's not pretend that the Eagles don't leverage free agency aggressively in most years. Sometimes it doesn't work, but quite often it does. And even in years when we don't land the guy, it's nice to see the aggression (e.g. offering Randy Moss a boatload of money). But I also believe in building via the draft, and the Eagles have given away 4th and 5th round picks in this draft, picks that have historically helped us yield contributors and/or could've been ammo to move up in a package for a key player we were targeting.I'm usually someone who rails against the incessant "hater" attitude that many fellow Eagles fans possess; but objectively this is not shaping up to be a very impressive offseason, particularly for a team that views itself as being in a win now mode.

 

[delusional]

someone PM me when they do something of significance that actually imrpoves this team i the areas that are needed

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

So they traded one over valued rotation DE + a 4th rounder for a younger unheard of rotational DE ....and ill wait until draft to see what is done trade wise, if they go into this season with mcnabb kolb and vick still as their QBs, they are #### ups.

You obviously don't have any idea who Darryl Tapp is. He's very good.As for the QB situation (which won't go away until Draft Weekend, I believe) - I've read the whole thread and I've thought about it.Based on the DEFENSE - which is NOT ready to win a championship (or even a division, quite possibly) - McNabb needs to be traded. Extend Kolb, trade McNabb, draft yet another QB or bring in Garcia again to help the kid develop. It's time for the offensive youth movement to really get going.Draft CB/S/LB first and foremost, add a RB (it's a deep class, value throughout the draft) and a QB to backfill Vick once he gets moved one way or another.Unless Philly can legitimately cover 3 WRs or 2 good WRs and a TE on third down, they will struggle when it really counts.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

Are you on of them Eagle fans that wants every great FA, every year?

New here?I'm wasn't an advocate of Peppers, and was happy to see him go. But let's not pretend that the Eagles don't leverage free agency aggressively in most years. Sometimes it doesn't work, but quite often it does. And even in years when we don't land the guy, it's nice to see the aggression (e.g. offering Randy Moss a boatload of money). But I also believe in building via the draft, and the Eagles have given away 4th and 5th round picks in this draft, picks that have historically helped us yield contributors and/or could've been ammo to move up in a package for a key player we were targeting.I'm usually someone who rails against the incessant "hater" attitude that many fellow Eagles fans possess; but objectively this is not shaping up to be a very impressive offseason, particularly for a team that views itself as being in a win now mode.

Come on Jason, you know that they are getting players for songs right now in getting Tapp for a 4th. Defensive ends are hard to come by these days in a 4-3 happy league. Every attempt by Philly to compliment Cole has sucked. So they spend a 4th and move Clemons and it is a bad move? Don't you remember how every draft they manage to move downward and pick up a few extra draft picks and/or picks for the next season anyway?Compensatory picks might also be coming for the Eagles based on 2009 free agency when they lost Dawkins and C-Buck. Here's the list:

PHILADELPHIALost – S Brian Dawkins, T Tra Thomas, RB Correll Buckhalter, TE L.J. Smith, S Sean ConsidineSigned – T Stacy Andrews, S Sean Jones, RB Leonard Weaver, S Rashad Baker (high bubble, cut)

Now if they had actually grabbed Rashad Jennings last year in Round 7 like I wanted.....

 

[Pickle Rody]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

Are you on of them Eagle fans that wants every great FA, every year?

New here?I'm wasn't an advocate of Peppers, and was happy to see him go. But let's not pretend that the Eagles don't leverage free agency aggressively in most years. Sometimes it doesn't work, but quite often it does. And even in years when we don't land the guy, it's nice to see the aggression (e.g. offering Randy Moss a boatload of money). But I also believe in building via the draft, and the Eagles have given away 4th and 5th round picks in this draft, picks that have historically helped us yield contributors and/or could've been ammo to move up in a package for a key player we were targeting.I'm usually someone who rails against the incessant "hater" attitude that many fellow Eagles fans possess; but objectively this is not shaping up to be a very impressive offseason, particularly for a team that views itself as being in a win now mode.

Come on Jason, you know that they are getting players for songs right now in getting Tapp for a 4th. Defensive ends are hard to come by these days in a 4-3 happy league. Every attempt by Philly to compliment Cole has sucked. So they spend a 4th and move Clemons and it is a bad move? Don't you remember how every draft they manage to move downward and pick up a few extra draft picks and/or picks for the next season anyway?Compensatory picks might also be coming for the Eagles based on 2009 free agency when they lost Dawkins and C-Buck. Here's the list:

PHILADELPHIALost – S Brian Dawkins, T Tra Thomas, RB Correll Buckhalter, TE L.J. Smith, S Sean ConsidineSigned – T Stacy Andrews, S Sean Jones, RB Leonard Weaver, S Rashad Baker (high bubble, cut)

Now if they had actually grabbed Rashad Jennings last year in Round 7 like I wanted.....

 

[Jason Wood]

Just got off the phone with a bunch of buddies for our annual NCAA tourney contest, and four of the guys are my fellow season ticket holders. Let's just say the offseason has not been met with a lot of platitudes.

Are you on of them Eagle fans that wants every great FA, every year?

New here?I'm wasn't an advocate of Peppers, and was happy to see him go. But let's not pretend that the Eagles don't leverage free agency aggressively in most years. Sometimes it doesn't work, but quite often it does. And even in years when we don't land the guy, it's nice to see the aggression (e.g. offering Randy Moss a boatload of money). But I also believe in building via the draft, and the Eagles have given away 4th and 5th round picks in this draft, picks that have historically helped us yield contributors and/or could've been ammo to move up in a package for a key player we were targeting.I'm usually someone who rails against the incessant "hater" attitude that many fellow Eagles fans possess; but objectively this is not shaping up to be a very impressive offseason, particularly for a team that views itself as being in a win now mode.

Come on Jason, you know that they are getting players for songs right now in getting Tapp for a 4th. Defensive ends are hard to come by these days in a 4-3 happy league. Every attempt by Philly to compliment Cole has sucked. So they spend a 4th and move Clemons and it is a bad move? Don't you remember how every draft they manage to move downward and pick up a few extra draft picks and/or picks for the next season anyway?Compensatory picks might also be coming for the Eagles based on 2009 free agency when they lost Dawkins and C-Buck. Here's the list:

PHILADELPHIALost – S Brian Dawkins, T Tra Thomas, RB Correll Buckhalter, TE L.J. Smith, S Sean ConsidineSigned – T Stacy Andrews, S Sean Jones, RB Leonard Weaver, S Rashad Baker (high bubble, cut)

Now if they had actually grabbed Rashad Jennings last year in Round 7 like I wanted.....

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Well there were so many great players in this years free agent market thus I can completely understand your frustration. The Eagles let a ton of talent just walk right pass them and sign with other teams. What a major let down. Typical Eagles.

 

[JaxBill]

So if they're willing to sign the offer sheet for Bell, does that mean they're confident that they'll get a second (or higher) back for one of the QBs this draft?

Edit - Never mind. I misheard Sirius last night. I thought the Saints tendered him as a second rounder. Really it was right of first refusal. So, the Birds wouldn't lose anything and the question is moot.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.

Woodrow--Look at Tapp's tackles: 22 solo, 11 assists41 solo, 8 assists46 solo, 9 assists40 solo, 9 assistsCompared to Clemons last year: 5 solo, 2 assists. Tapp should be like a Juqua Thomas who played pretty well for Philly last year. Of all the Seattle defensive linemen he had the most tackles. Could he get to the QB more? Sure. But the guy is a MAJOR upgrade over Clemons and he actually has upside because he's a young guy. Plus, he can play both ends.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

So if they're willing to sign the offer sheet for Bell, does that mean they're confident that they'll get a second (or higher) back for one of the QBs this draft?Edit - Never mind. I misheard Sirius last night. I thought the Saints tendered him as a second rounder. Really it was right of first refusal. So, the Birds wouldn't lose anything and the question is moot.

Exactly and at 1.5 mill I think its a great deal for the Birds. I will be very happy if the Saints don't match.

 

[Jason Wood]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Well there were so many great players in this years free agent market thus I can completely understand your frustration. The Eagles let a ton of talent just walk right pass them and sign with other teams. What a major let down. Typical Eagles.

So there weren't affordable, and better, safeties available? There weren't REALLY affordable, PRODUCTIVE, RBs to be had?It's an uncapped year for a team with plenty of cash flow and we're playing cheap for Mike "Friggin" Bell to save a million when there are HOW many RBs available? Sorry, I'm usually the one defending the Birds decisions (especially against all the anti-McNabb knuckleheads), but this hasn't been an offseason of note. It's not a disaster by any stretch, because as you say this wasn't a bumper crop year for free agency. But it's a DEEP draft which is why, again, I'm frustrated that we're letting 4th and 5th round picks go for what, IMHO, doesn't amount to much improvement for this team.

 

[CaptainHook]

So if they're willing to sign the offer sheet for Bell, does that mean they're confident that they'll get a second (or higher) back for one of the QBs this draft?Edit - Never mind. I misheard Sirius last night. I thought the Saints tendered him as a second rounder. Really it was right of first refusal. So, the Birds wouldn't lose anything and the question is moot.

oh my god u almost gave me a heart attack with this post and im glad they havent gone wild in free agency. they have a ton of young players that will need new longterm contracts. they have a team that has very good continuity and was already competitive last season even with many injuries on defense and many first year starters. the defense was also very good for a long time last season, the collapse at the end of the season could very well be nothing more than the young player fatigue we see every year as players are adjusting to the brutally long season. have they ever said they are in 'win now' mode? i cant imagine this organization ever taking that type of attitude.(wrt the draft picks this team is already really talented and relaly young. id imagine they are looking forward and realizing they probably wont have much roster space to play around with this year. no sense in keeping your 5th round pick if you likely have to cut him before the season starts.)

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.Meanwhile I'm left asking:*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Well there were so many great players in this years free agent market thus I can completely understand your frustration. The Eagles let a ton of talent just walk right pass them and sign with other teams. What a major let down. Typical Eagles.

So there weren't affordable, and better, safeties available? There weren't REALLY affordable, PRODUCTIVE, RBs to be had?It's an uncapped year for a team with plenty of cash flow and we're playing cheap for Mike "Friggin" Bell to save a million when there are HOW many RBs available? Sorry, I'm usually the one defending the Birds decisions (especially against all the anti-McNabb knuckleheads), but this hasn't been an offseason of note. It's not a disaster by any stretch, because as you say this wasn't a bumper crop year for free agency. But it's a DEEP draft which is why, again, I'm frustrated that we're letting 4th and 5th round picks go for what, IMHO, doesn't amount to much improvement for this team.

Which teams in the NFL have had an off season of note in your opinion?

 

[Zoomanji]

Very good? 18.0 sacks in four years? His only season of note, was in 2007, when he had 7 sacks. Four of those 7 sacks came in one game. The same "very good" player who went from 16 starts to 11 starts to 5 over the last three years, for a defense starved for playmakers? THAT Darryl Tapp?

Very good!?!? He's better than Chris Clemons; which isn't saying much seeing as how he was our least effective end.

Meanwhile I'm left asking:

*** Who is going to run the ball consistently, or are we abandoning that concept?

*** Who is going to start at linebacker, and are we even going to try to have depth?

*** What if, shocking as it may be, Marlin Jackson doesn't work out?

*** Are we going to add depth to our offensive line?

Well there were so many great players in this years free agent market thus I can completely understand your frustration. The Eagles let a ton of talent just walk right pass them and sign with other teams. What a major let down. Typical Eagles.

So there weren't affordable, and better, safeties available? There weren't REALLY affordable, PRODUCTIVE, RBs to be had?

It's an uncapped year for a team with plenty of cash flow and we're playing cheap for Mike "Friggin" Bell to save a million when there are HOW many RBs available?

Sorry, I'm usually the one defending the Birds decisions (especially against all the anti-McNabb knuckleheads), but this hasn't been an offseason of note. It's not a disaster by any stretch, because as you say this wasn't a bumper crop year for free agency. But it's a DEEP draft which is why, again, I'm frustrated that we're letting 4th and 5th round picks go for what, IMHO, doesn't amount to much improvement for this team.

Other than Rolle, who at safety? We could go after Sharper but that may be admitting that letting Dawkins go was a mistake.What RB do you want or did you want? Taylor would have been nice but he got too much money. TJ wouldn't fit and the other guys are all "too old". Bell is probably the best fit since he can take short-yardage and is on the younger side than all the other guys.

So what safety and RB did you want?

I like the Tapp deal. We get rid of Clemons and his awful contract and get a younger guy who I think will be a nice fit opposite Cole. I think you are really undervaluing Tapp and over-valuing a 4th round pick

Don't worry we'll get that 4th back when we unload McNabb