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I probably should have looked up Ginn's contract before I spoke.I agree with Rene here - the contract, price, and ability suit well for a WR4 here. The Eagles and Dolphins have a good trade history as well, so I'm doing an about face on this one. Ginn is a good returner and the cost isn't too high, so I wouldn't mind seeing Philly give a 4th/5th for Ginn.
If any team (God forbid mine) pays more for Ginn than the Jets paid for Santonio Holmes...let's just say they are not smart people.
Saved me the trouble. You have to compare apples to apples.People often have a tendency to view ONLY a players skills when evaluating trades, and don't adequately adjust for contract situations especially.
Apparently anyone can catch a punt along the left sideline back pedal 3 steps to avoid oncommers and then shoot like a rocket down that same left sideline untouched (Sun Night Giant game). If sitting someone with that type of talent becasue your afraid of risking injury makes any sense, then I'm watching the wrong sport.
Not right now. Who would back up the first year starter (Kolb)? Maybe if they signed Bulger......
That's where we disagree. Ginn has no more potential at WR that we have seen. He is awful. Not that it matters now - SF just gave up a "late" pick for him.
Now a 4th for Morrison, I can get behind.
I wouldnt say he is awful, he hasnt had the best cast of QBs tossing him the ball
You guys remember the rumor that the Birds meant to draft Morrison with the pick they used on Matt McCoy? I think it was SD State they were both stud LB's, hahaha gotta love it.
You've never watched him drop catchable passes have you...
I remember it well.
supposedly Garcia's people have already been in contact...no teeth to that?
I would love to see Garcia back, you couldn't ask for a better mentor for Kolb in his first year. As for Vick? They can't keep four QB's on this roster assuming they're going to draft on to devlop since Reid has alwyas done that since day 1
That's all good, but we have 11 picks...and room on the roster for 5-6 max. How many "holes" do you expect them to fill? FIVE picks in the first three rounds gives a ton of room to maneuver, and I'd love to see them use two to move up and snag a stud like Berry. That would still leave three more fairly valuable picks to spend on "holes".
I agree they shouldnt keep all their picks but the 2nd round picks are the value picks in my opinion. Great talent for low cost. As much as I'd like Berry, I think I'd rather have three great players at three positions of need than 1 stud.
Huh? This team got abused by Dallas twice last year because the roster is NOT way too good. Probably more like way too average. They could use an upgrade and/or depth at just about every position on the roster.QB: #3 developmental guy
This team can stand several upgrades and plenty of additional depth.
Isn't that why the NFL has a draft? So teams can fill their needs?
Thats fine but when you have a few positions that need starters & have a serious lack of depth at others, its a tough pill to swallow
How has the opposite worked out for the Redskins?
I have always been a big Sheffler fan, but it would be more of a luxury now that Celek has emerged, no?This team can stand several upgrades and plenty of additional depth.
By the way, just heard CIN may be in the mix for trading for Tony Scheffler for a 3rd or 4th. I wonder if Philly should get in on that (like they nearly did last year).
Delusional - I hear you, I've said it earlier though, anyone who thinks their defensive woes are solved in 2010 are kidding. I think they're at least two drafts away, and who knows what's happening as far as a work stoppage after this season. It's fine by me, Kolb needs some time with the young skill core and by 2012 I think they start the run that can take them into the next decade.
Cornelius Ingram should also be back as well - every report that I read before he got hurt stated that Ingram was playing lights out for a rookie. While it'd be overly optimistic to have him @ 100% at the beginning of camp, it sounds like he'll be very good if he can put this injury behind him. I was really hoping that we were going to get Scheffler last year, but now I think we have far bigger needs. I could see us trading for some veterans (aside from Scheffler), moving up and/or getting some picks next year. We've been pretty good at doing that over the last couple of years, and as others have mentioned its very doubtful we'll just stay put and make all 11 picks. It should be a pretty interesting week for sure...I have always been a big Sheffler fan, but it would be more of a luxury now that Celek has emerged, no?This team can stand several upgrades and plenty of additional depth.
By the way, just heard CIN may be in the mix for trading for Tony Scheffler for a 3rd or 4th. I wonder if Philly should get in on that (like they nearly did last year).
CaptainHook said:
I really don't understand all of the nay-saying. There are a few holes, but this team is exceptionally YOUNG already. In any other city, fans would be excited to have a team that made the playoffs, retained most of it's best players, has a ton of early draft picks, AND IS AMONG THE LEAGUE'S YOUNGEST TEAMS ALREADY. Instead, too many Eagles fans are whining about a loss and complaining that the team isn't good?I agree and two very good posts above.My concern lies within the OL and leadership.CaptainHook said:
That makes no sense. First year defensive coordinator missing his best player all season (Bradley). Offense setting a franchise record for points and returning all of it's young and presumably improving key players. This offense, if Kolb plays like I think he can, may be first or second in the league in points scored!
The Eagles may take a small step backwards, but it shouldn't surprise anyone if they instead take a small step forwards this year.
This is the side of the fence I am on.
CaptainHook said:I really don't understand all of the nay-saying. There are a few holes, but this team is exceptionally YOUNG already. In any other city, fans would be excited to have a team that made the playoffs, retained most of it's best players, has a ton of early draft picks, AND IS AMONG THE LEAGUE'S YOUNGEST TEAMS ALREADY. Instead, too many Eagles fans are whining about a loss and complaining that the team isn't good?
That makes no sense. First year defensive coordinator missing his best player all season (Bradley). Offense setting a franchise record for points and returning all of it's young and presumably improving key players. This offense, if Kolb plays like I think he can, may be first or second in the league in points scored!
The Eagles may take a small step backwards, but it shouldn't surprise anyone if they instead take a small step forwards this year.
Rene nails it.
I like Weaver as much as anyone but I don't know how you can list him here and not DeSean Jackson. Him being such a threat to score anytime he gets the ball really open things up for everyone else.
I think he meant in terms of vocal leaders, not stats leaders.
Yeah I thought that after I posted but I'd still say DeSean will lead, I like the attitude he brings to the field, much like what seemed to be lacking before the Birds got T.O. I think you need a guy out there who thinks he can't be stopped no matter what the defense does, and Desean is that guy.
i thought that when the trade was made, but then i realized its the eagles, who seem to make the right move here a lot more than not. i look at lito as the prime example.
I hear you Hook, but injuries hit most teams. The one glaring thing this team doesn't have now and didn't have heading into last season was a pass rush. All the disappointing vets have moved on and that leaves them with the task of filling those gaping holes. From what I hear this draft isn't packed with D ends, but if they can solve that problem first, then the rest falls into place. And no I didn't want them backing a Brinks truck into Peppers garage. I don't think this defense is good at all, any decent offense can hang 30 on this squad easily. The reality is half this league absolutely stinks, which is why the doomsday predictions for this team heading into 2010 are lost on me. All I know is if I were a betting man, I'd take the over on most of their games this year.
Unless the address the C RG & OL depth situation with above average players, the dallas game is how the season is going to beCaptainHook said:I really don't understand all of the nay-saying. There are a few holes, but this team is exceptionally YOUNG already. In any other city, fans would be excited to have a team that made the playoffs, retained most of it's best players, has a ton of early draft picks, AND IS AMONG THE LEAGUE'S YOUNGEST TEAMS ALREADY. Instead, too many Eagles fans are whining about a loss and complaining that the team isn't good?
That makes no sense. First year defensive coordinator missing his best player all season (Bradley). Offense setting a franchise record for points and returning all of it's young and presumably improving key players. This offense, if Kolb plays like I think he can, may be first or second in the league in points scored!
The Eagles may take a small step backwards, but it shouldn't surprise anyone if they instead take a small step forwards this year.
This team scored a lot of points last year, with a good QB who never had a high comp. %. If Kolb is more accurate and can have a comp. % over 65%, this offense can be scary with all the weapons it has.
The D was terrible last year. If Bradley comes back healthy, and we can get a pass rush opposite Cole, and we fill a couple of holes (S, 2nd CB), this D will be a lot better than last year.
The Eagles sent a fifth-round draft pick in 2010 (137th overall) to the BroncosEagles acquire Ernie Sims from Detroit as part of a 3-way trade. Detroit yields Tony Scheffler, and Denver yields undisclosed draft pick.
I'll reserve complete judgment until I see what we gave up in this process, but I have to applaud getting a young LB like Sims; just what the doctor ordered.
Still young at 25 lost in the shuffle somewhat on an atrocious team. For a 5th rounder - sure why not!!
