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Yeah that too, I just really hope they can nab him or even draft Ras-Dowling. Don't get me wrong though I do like the Watkins pick dispite the age. I think this may even help out Winston Justice as well.Maybe. Or it says that they thought Watkins was the best player available on their draft board.
If they get a stud LB it won't be through the draft. I keep hearing how the LBs in this class are poor with the exception being Von Miller.
I don't mean to be the bearer of bad news but thats just a philosophy issue. They do not believe you need LBs. Someone explained it pretty well the other day. I think it was Baldy. The Eagles have a defensive philosophy thats outside in. They value DE's and CB's above all else. They feel that if you get to the QB and play good coverage, you can have 3 scrubs in the middle. What they failed to understand is that Jim Johnson made those scrubs into overachievers. They could take scrub LB's and turn them into mediocre to above average players. Now that JJ is gone, we don't even get that. We have scrubs and they are coached up to above average scrubs.
I wasn't doing cartwheels when I heard the pick, but I'm not going to pass judgement yet either. But I do agree with the bolded. He has to be a starter on the O-line immediately for the pick to be worth it. He can't be 'in the mix' for 2011 with hopes of being a starter in 2012.This is a big year for AR and the Eagles imo. They have to get to later rounds of the playoffs this year. This is year 7 post SB...they need some post-season success. Hopefully this is a pick that comes in and contributes right away.
I'm not even against Watkins as the pick. If you go back to my original post on page 14, my problem is that it has the same feel of the classic Andy Reid pick, where he thinks he is smarter than everyone else. And I think over the years he has proven he's not. Obviously Watkins age isn't ideal, so he better be starting his rookie year. If not, he goes into year two at age 28, which is about two or three years from being too old for the Birds.What I disagree with is Wood, who always talks about the people that are always criticizing Reid no matter the situation, while he is the exact opposite. Regardless of the situation, he is praising Ried and the Eagles. Some times I think Wood is Dave Spadaro, or maybe even Reid himself.I only mention it because I clicked on angelo this morning and he's basically beating the same drum you are right now. Andy is a moron for drafting a 27 year old guard. Then he gets all his dirty 30 idiots to call in and echo his idiotic sentiments. Its just a joke of a show yet its somehow still on. I have to listen to Mike and Mike for sports in the morning. Thats hit or miss.Havent listened to 610 for years. Howard is insufferable, and if you disagree with Gargano you are an ingrate. That station is unbearableI mean I have irrational hatred sometimes too for this team but the Watkins pick is not one of them. Stop listening to 610. It makes your head explode hearing the rabble rousers.Or maybe, predictably, all the same people (you) are always blindly defending the Eagles and Andy Reid. You tired of being good for the past ten years? And mediocre at best for the past five. Cuz I am. I aspire for greatnessExactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.
I can see them targeting CB in the 2nd. The 3rd rounder will probably be a DL IMO. They will definitely grab another OL somewhere in the draft. Probably the 5th round. They need some depth there. Lots of possibilities left.
Two things that are fundamental to championship caliber NFL football....you need to run the ball on O and stop the run on D. You have to wonder how much correlation there is between the Eagles stubbornness to embrace this philosophy and their lack of Lombardi trophies.
I don't believe it has to be as cut and dry as it was in the past. Its definitely a passing league now but wouldn't the Eagles think that maybe some good, athletic LB's that can cover a TE might be a good idea? Seems to be a pretty significant ***** in their armor even when JJ was here.
Keenan Clayton can certainly do that. Not saying he's good enough in other areas, just sayin...
Except...GB last year ranked 20th in rush attempt, 24th in rush yards and 18th in rush TDs.The Saints defense ranked 21st in rush yards allowed and 28th in rush TDs allowed.The Steelers with 9th in rush attempts but 23rd in rush yards and 29th in yards per rush. So they tried but sucked at it.The Colts were 18th in rush attempts and 18th in rush yards and on defense 32nd in rush yards allowed and 30th in rush TDs. The NFL has changed. In the past 5 years only the Giants were good at both rushing the ball and stopping the rush.
Certainly. But you can't say what they've been doing has been tremendously successful either. But you have to admit that one of GB's keys during the playoffs was their commitment to the run. Its not necessarily rushing success as much as having the threat of a running game.Eagles have shown they can win the regular season, but I think come post-season the running game becomes much more important.
Number 2 because of what, 6 years of age on the next guy down?He is around peak NFL prime age and just entering the league with only 4 rlyears of football experience and he played RT from what I understand too....there is a TON not to like here.
And he literally has no choice but to be an immediate and impact starter. If it takes him two years to learn a new position and get acclimated with the NFL game he will already be 29!!Sorry...that's a ridiculous statement. PHYSICAL progression maybe, but the 4 years experiance says that there's likely a ton of room for technical progression. And when there's room for that in a guy who's projected as an immediate starter by almost every expert.....well......your statement makes ZERO sense!
Asante Samuel has three years left on his contract. This season his base salary is $5.9 million with a $7.0 million cap hit.After this year his base rises to $8.4 million and then in 2013, it rises to $10.4. The cap hit for those two years are $1.1 million higher than the base.I could easily see the Eagles signing Nnamdi to a big signing bonus with a tiny base salary in the first year. Let's say $25 million signing bonus over a five year contract with a $1 million base in the first year. That gives a cap hit of $6 million for Nnamdi (with Asante the cap hit for the starting CB's would be $13 million). Next year the base goes up and the salary cap number becomes very large for Nnamdi. At that point, the Eagles would cut Samuel and only take a $2.2 million salary cap hit for the portion of Asante's signing bonus which had not hit the cap yet (the base salary amounts are not guaranteed so the Eagles don't get hit for those).I think if they want Nnamdi, they can easily make it work salary cap wise because Asante is on the back end of his contract and nearing the end of being able to justify a large base salary.
I'm much skinnier than Andy, and taller than Spadaro. 
I'm generally more positive than negative because, rationally, this team has more positives than negatives. Reid is among the winningest coaches of his era, and his side of the ball (offense) is traditionally productive. This is also a team that finds a way to have cap flexibility and has turned over a roster to become one of the youngest again, yet not at the expense of competing for playoff spots. But I'm hardly a Pollyanna. In fact, most years I would say the Eagles exceed my expectations. The only difference is I don't go to the extremes. Each move is incremental. Yet fans in Philly seem to treat them like they're disastrous. Is Andy perfect? Of course not. But is he better than most other people at his job? Indeed.
. I agree that you are fairly objective.
I heard something yesterday that made me stop and think. What if we just keep him this year. We then have a solid backup. Franchise tag him next year (assuming there still is a tag) and then trade him at that point to someone for a high first rounder. There's really no upside to trading Kolb for a 2012 pick now because you don't know where that pick will be. This way, we have a veteran backup for this season and can still get value.Holy smokes, glad I was busy today and away from this thread...One pick guys - ONE - and it wasn't a reach. I'd rather if the Eagles had moved up 2 spots to get Costanzo, but I have to guess (DH??) that they had the Ice Road Grader on par with Costanzo so they felt fine waiting where they were.Question for DH - Based on Parcells' special on ESPN, he mentioned the scouting group of BLESTO (Browns, Lions, Eagles and Steelers scouting group). Does that still exist? If so, do all four teams share info? That's interesting to me, and I wonder if other teams had interest in Watkins on the same level (I would guess yes based on the mocks / lower 1st round grade).To Watkins - it's a double-edged sword with his age. Yes you want him to contribute right away, so I'm glad that he can as many say he's ready. Of course he will be 3-5 years older than other prospects, but that's the tradeoff I guess. He does have "low mileage" with only 4 years of football.As for going after Nnamdi, you have to think that he'll be in a HUGE bidding war with several teams next week. That's hard to imagine winning that one. Not impossible, but hard to imagine PHI throwing that much $$$ at the CBs.Looking forward to the next few rounds. Hope to see a little bit of skill players (RB, TE, QB) in their 10 overall picks. Nothing wrong with defense, but 2-3 skill guys isn't a bad idea at all. I expect at least 1 RB and 1 QB. Then comes next week and the Kolb sweepstakes.
Several reasons they have to trade Kolb now:1. Value is very high today - ask Locker or Volek if value can drop in a year.2. Teams want him today. Who knows what they'd want next off-season. He's the first name off the lips of every FA QB list.3. It's good PR. Players take note that the Eagles are "doing right by" some vets by moving McNabb and Kolb when they really want out for a chance to start - not an 85 type of "I want out". 4. They can get a player now that can help them this year and then some. I firmly believe that.'Insein said:I heard something yesterday that made me stop and think. What if we just keep him this year. We then have a solid backup. Franchise tag him next year (assuming there still is a tag) and then trade him at that point to someone for a high first rounder. There's really no upside to trading Kolb for a 2012 pick now because you don't know where that pick will be. This way, we have a veteran backup for this season and can still get value.'Jeff Pasquino said:Holy smokes, glad I was busy today and away from this thread...One pick guys - ONE - and it wasn't a reach. I'd rather if the Eagles had moved up 2 spots to get Costanzo, but I have to guess (DH??) that they had the Ice Road Grader on par with Costanzo so they felt fine waiting where they were.Question for DH - Based on Parcells' special on ESPN, he mentioned the scouting group of BLESTO (Browns, Lions, Eagles and Steelers scouting group). Does that still exist? If so, do all four teams share info? That's interesting to me, and I wonder if other teams had interest in Watkins on the same level (I would guess yes based on the mocks / lower 1st round grade).To Watkins - it's a double-edged sword with his age. Yes you want him to contribute right away, so I'm glad that he can as many say he's ready. Of course he will be 3-5 years older than other prospects, but that's the tradeoff I guess. He does have "low mileage" with only 4 years of football.As for going after Nnamdi, you have to think that he'll be in a HUGE bidding war with several teams next week. That's hard to imagine winning that one. Not impossible, but hard to imagine PHI throwing that much $$$ at the CBs.Looking forward to the next few rounds. Hope to see a little bit of skill players (RB, TE, QB) in their 10 overall picks. Nothing wrong with defense, but 2-3 skill guys isn't a bad idea at all. I expect at least 1 RB and 1 QB. Then comes next week and the Kolb sweepstakes.
For the 4th or 5th round. The guy was hoping just to get drafted period. Now this is a pick you shake your freaking head at.edit: why even let Mikel go. Makes ZERO sense.
lol.. i am shocked you disagree...
OL and DB with their first two picks, can't really complain. I'm just happy they aren't taking these LB/DE tweeners.You can find guys that say 4th or 5th, and you can find guys that say he should of been a second or third... I think we'll see him paired up with Nate Allen for many years to come...
I could be wrong but I thought Simon was the number one rated DT when he came out and a lot of people had Maclin and Graham as the top at their position. I also think Bunkley and Ngata were going back and forth for the top DT spot even though it didn't turn out that close. Now saying that when your not picking at the top of the draft your not going to get the top RATED player I mean who did NE get that was a top RATED player.
LOL. Try to pick the worst NFC West team. Go ahead. I dare ya. A handful of picks away from the 3rd round selection. Still House and Chekwa at CB. More secondary love or does Andy hit the D-Line? Allen Bailey?
SF picked Kaepernick...
Dude take a look at my posts, Im as fair as we got here. The draft is about value not positions. Some of us actually do our homework and see where the various prospects are expected to go.
Call me crazy, but I'm assuming that Andy and Co. do the same thing, and did their homework as well.I have no problem with people's commentary, but these guys are experts at what they do. We as fans may not agree, as I said, I wish they had grabbed some other guys who I liked. However, the "sky is falling" mentally here is simply overdone...I'm going to give the Eagles credence for the decisions that they make, as they have proven me wrong more times than not. I've done my homework as well, and the beauty of the draft is that different people give different players grades, and although you can check out one guy's draft positions, there's another one that will be totally different.We ended up with what I felt is an immediate starter on the offensive line, a guy who could easily step in with Nate Allen, or at the very least, back it up and give us some great special team play this season. The CB pick seems to be at best a nickel guy, as he's not fluid enough to cover the guys one on one if they have more speed.. But as much as I can arm chair coach this team, I'm not the head coach or in their personnel department, so I will trust in the Eagles...
Might look a little like collusion
Dunno, would Zona more likely move DRC for Kolb + ???
So there is nothing they can do draft wise to make you scratch your head? Your the polar opposite of the BustedKnuckles guy ...
