***Official 2011 Philadelphia Eagles Thread*** (1 Viewer)

[delusional]

Its like this every year. The Eagles ALWAYS throw some sort of curveball in the draft. You can not tell me this wasn't one of them either. When something seems so obvious, the Eagles have to do the opposite. When you have the coaches on the eagles staff that you do, wouldnt it be wise to draft a young player who they would be able to mold that potentially would be around for 10 years ( espeically at OLine )...This guy is going to be 32 by the time his rookie contract is up.

It never stops.If this kid grades out to a 1st round pick then if you are the Eagles you take him at 23. It doesn't matter how old he is. Even at his age he can easily play 8 yrs in the NFL at his position. If he has 1st round talent you would sign up for that in a minute. The best part is that none of the "negative" posters have questioned his ability, just his age.Everyone likes to talk about taking the lineman in the 1st round and pencilling him in for the next 10 years. How often does that happen anyway? It isn't likely.

I am not questioning the guy ( he isn't a kid ). I am questioning why him when Carimi was there? Logic should have prevailed here. You have a great OL Coach in Mudd. I would rather have the younger player if both players are equals in talent for the simple fact of age & experience. Potential wise Carimi has 4 more years on playing time then then Watkins. That is 4 less years of growing with the coaching staff ( Mudd ). I don't buy the well he is mature excuse either. Most lineman are mature because it is a wicked position to play that actually takes a brain & the right attitude. Watkins will be what? 27 at the start of the season. Hope to god he doesn't get injured. As any significant time off at his age could be devastating. He pretty much has to come in and play well right off the bat.Also, dont quote King...we all seen some of his mock drafts in the past, they don't mean nothing. Do I hope the pick works? Hell yes I do. But why does it seem like every draft we come out with something that makes us scratch our heads & him being 27 at the start of the season is a head scratcher.As for Reids drafts...yea very questionable over the years. The square peg round hole theory through most of them.

 

[zadok]

I am questioning why him when Carimi was there? Logic should have prevailed here. You have a great OL Coach in Mudd. I would rather have the younger player if both players are equals in talent for the simple fact of age & experience.

And what if they are not equals in talent? Logic dictates you take your highest rated player. I would have taken Watkins over Carimi too. So would many others.

 

[JAA]

Aaahhhh.... The thrill of the draft and the agony of reading Eagles fans tear it apart.I will just say for those who are questioning OL vs. CB, can you at least wait until the rest of thedraft and free agency is over before you complain? If the Eagles pick up Nnamdi, won't you look prettystupid? If the Eagles end up with nothing new at CB, then you can complain, but until then you haven't seenthe whole picture.

Waiting to boo? Thats crazy talk

 

[unckeyherb]

You also realize that Reid's drafting has been a cornerstone of making us one of the best, most consistent teams in the NFC for more than a decade?

This is laughable. Who has AR drafted in the first round that has been a stud for us?

Donovan, Simon, Sheppard, Andrews and maclin isnt looking too bad.

Corey Simon?I dont agree on Andrews.Ill give Maclin, McNabb, and Sheppard. Is that all you got?

DeJax, McCoy, Kolb, M.Lewis, & S.Brown, in the 2nd

Who is talking about the 2nd round

OP said Reid's drafting. Not Reid's first round drafting.

Im the OP since I asked this question

This is laughable. Who has AR drafted in the first round that has been a stud for us?

No, you are not the OP; you were responding to this:

You also realize that Reid's drafting has been a cornerstone of making us one of the best, most consistent teams in the NFC for more than a decade?

his assertion was regarding Reid's drafting, not only the first round.

 

[TheWheel]

It has everything to do with versatility. On a line that has consistent injury issues, a guy that can play all positions is a good plus. And his age gives him maturity, a trait that should make coaching more effective. This guy can and should start at right guard or center right away. The fact that he was a rugby player and has a real strong character are other pluses. The only was this pick doesn't pan out is from catastrophic injury.

I personally wanted Smith the CB though.

 

[Bushead]

Here's my problem with the pick, and it really has nothing to do with Watkins. It's the classic case of Big Red thinking he is smarter than everyone else. And he simply isn't. So tired of it. Go the whole offseason hearing only about the lockout, and finally we get to the draft and everything seems like it's getting back to normal, and immediately it's the same old frustration. Andy being Andy. But I digress, atleast everything I hear about him sounds good. I like the mean streak and leadership. Don't like the age.

Why do you think he thinks he's smarter than everyone else? You realize Watkins was projected to us by several major mockers, including Peter King right? You realize Watkins was projected as the 2nd best interior lineman available, right? You also realize that, if you're alluding to Carimi, we're not the only ones that passed him over? EVERYONE had Carimi going ahead of James Carpenter, yet Pete Carroll apparently felt he was smarter than everyone else. You also realize that Reid's drafting has been a cornerstone of making us one of the best, most consistent teams in the NFC for more than a decade?

Great, if we are grouped in with Pete Carroll we're more screwed than I first thought.

And I still can't figure out if you are being serious with your last statement? You realize it is just a laughable statement right? You realize you sound like an Eagles lapdog right? You know it sounds like you need a refresher right? You remember Teo Nesheim in the 3rd round when nobody had him rated more than a 5th or 6th rounder right? Here are some more: Trevor Laws, Bryan Smith, Victor Abiamiri, Tony Hunt, Brodrick Bunkley, Chris Gocong, Mike Patterson, Reggie Brown, Matt McCoy, Jerome McDougal. You realize even the Fatman can hit the broad side of a barn occsionally right? His drafting has been consistenly poor.

Why wouldn't he be serious? I think that would be a fairer question regarding your response.So, Reid is a terrible drafter and aweful coach. Why have the Eagles remained one of the best teams in the league during his tenure?

 

[JAA]

You hate the team you claim to like, we get that. And maybe when you finally get your wish and Reid is gone, and we're mired in mediocrity, you'll be the guy trying to put a positive spin on it for the rest of us.

not trueI want AR as the coach for now. Only because I dont think there is a better option out there. I wish AR was better at in-game adjustments and time management. Also, I dont approve of their 1st round track record.We are not in this thread to look at rainbows through green colored glasses ... we are here to ##### and moan and pray for players we think the Eagles need.

 

[Insein]

The Watkins pick is growing on me, but it still 'feels' like a reach. The only player I can think that compared is Brandon Albert who played G in college and moved to T. If Watkins turns out to be the next Logan Mankins, I will be very satisifed. None of this changes my feeling on him being 27th this season and only having played 4 years of football.

Sooo... you hate the pick unless he turns into a perrenial Pro-Bowler. Then you love it. Got it.

 

[Jason Wood]

You hate the team you claim to like, we get that. And maybe when you finally get your wish and Reid is gone, and we're mired in mediocrity, you'll be the guy trying to put a positive spin on it for the rest of us.

not trueI want AR as the coach for now. Only because I dont think there is a better option out there. I wish AR was better at in-game adjustments and time management. Also, I dont approve of their 1st round track record.We are not in this thread to look at rainbows through green colored glasses ... we are here to ##### and moan and pray for players we think the Eagles need.

Actually we're supposed to be here to have rationale, balanced discussions about our team. The next time you're genuinely happy with the Birds will be the first.

 

[JAA]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I love the Eagles and always will but we just drafted a 27 year old rookie with only 4 years of football playing experience in the first round.....he almost HAS to be Pouncy like from day one in order for this to be looked at positively. Theres hardly any room for progression with him at all due to his age. We'll realistically be looking for his replacement in 3 years no matter how good he turns out to be.

And even at 27 he was ranked as the SECOND best at his position.

No matter if you're the biggest Eagles fan or hater this is a head scratcher.

 

[Jason Wood]

I love the Eagles and always will but we just drafted a 27 year old rookie with only 4 years of football playing experience in the first round.....he almost HAS to be Pouncy like from day one in order for this to be looked at positively. Theres hardly any room for progression with him at all due to his age. We'll realistically be looking for his replacement in 3 years no matter how good he turns out to be. And even at 27 he was ranked as the SECOND best at his position. No matter if you're the biggest Eagles fan or hater this is a head scratcher.

How is it a head scratcher when Peter King had it happening, Gosselin thought the Pats were taking him in the 20s, and Kiper thought the Chiefs were taking him at 21?

 

[eaglesfan7]

I realize these guys need time but take a look at last years draft:

1.13 DL Brandon Graham Michigan from SF through DEN

2.05 S Nathaniel Allen South Florida from WAS

4.07 DB Trevard Lindley Kentucky from CLE

4.23 LB Keenan Clayton Oklahoma

4.24 QB Mike Kafka Northwestern from GB

4.27 TE Clay Harbor Missouri from DAL

5.03 DL Ricky Sapp Clemson from TB through CLE

5.28 WR Riley Cooper Florida from SD

6.31 RB Charles Scott Louisiana State from IND

7.13 LB Jamar Chaney Mississippi State from DEN through DET

7.36 DL Jeff Owens Georgia Compensatory Pick

7.37 DB Kurt Coleman Ohio State Compensatory Pick

 

[zadok]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Can't do that if you're drafting from the 20s every year dude. Depending on who you chose to listen to, Andrews was the #1 or #2 OLineman that year, McDougle was the #2 DE, Maclin was the #2 WR and Graham was the #2 DE (#1 in my book).

 

[Insein]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

Here's my problem with the pick, and it really has nothing to do with Watkins. It's the classic case of Big Red thinking he is smarter than everyone else. And he simply isn't. So tired of it. Go the whole offseason hearing only about the lockout, and finally we get to the draft and everything seems like it's getting back to normal, and immediately it's the same old frustration. Andy being Andy. But I digress, atleast everything I hear about him sounds good. I like the mean streak and leadership. Don't like the age.

Why do you think he thinks he's smarter than everyone else? You realize Watkins was projected to us by several major mockers, including Peter King right? You realize Watkins was projected as the 2nd best interior lineman available, right? You also realize that, if you're alluding to Carimi, we're not the only ones that passed him over? EVERYONE had Carimi going ahead of James Carpenter, yet Pete Carroll apparently felt he was smarter than everyone else. You also realize that Reid's drafting has been a cornerstone of making us one of the best, most consistent teams in the NFC for more than a decade?

Great, if we are grouped in with Pete Carroll we're more screwed than I first thought.

And I still can't figure out if you are being serious with your last statement? You realize it is just a laughable statement right? You realize you sound like an Eagles lapdog right? You know it sounds like you need a refresher right? You remember Teo Nesheim in the 3rd round when nobody had him rated more than a 5th or 6th rounder right? Here are some more: Trevor Laws, Bryan Smith, Victor Abiamiri, Tony Hunt, Brodrick Bunkley, Chris Gocong, Mike Patterson, Reggie Brown, Matt McCoy, Jerome McDougal. You realize even the Fatman can hit the broad side of a barn occsionally right? His drafting has been consistenly poor.

Why wouldn't he be serious? I think that would be a fairer question regarding your response.So, Reid is a terrible drafter and aweful coach. Why have the Eagles remained one of the best teams in the league during his tenure?

Because it was an assinine statement.

I said his drafts were consistently poor and never mentioned his coaching.

 

[Insein]

I realize these guys need time but take a look at last years draft:1.13 DL Brandon Graham Michigan from SF through DEN2.05 S Nathaniel Allen South Florida from WAS4.07 DB Trevard Lindley Kentucky from CLE4.23 LB Keenan Clayton Oklahoma 4.24 QB Mike Kafka Northwestern from GB4.27 TE Clay Harbor Missouri from DAL5.03 DL Ricky Sapp Clemson from TB through CLE5.28 WR Riley Cooper Florida from SD6.31 RB Charles Scott Louisiana State from IND7.13 LB Jamar Chaney Mississippi State from DEN through DET7.36 DL Jeff Owens Georgia Compensatory Pick7.37 DB Kurt Coleman Ohio State Compensatory Pick

You missed Teo N'obody in the 3rd round.

 

[roarlions]

Theres hardly any room for progression with him at all due to his age. We'll realistically be looking for his replacement in 3 years no matter how good he turns out to be.

A serious question - do O linemen get washed up around age 30 because they are age 30 or due to all of the beating they have taken over the years prior to age 30? If it is the latter, then this guy could play well beyond age 30 since he's only been playing for 4 years, not the 10 or more that typical 27 year old linemen have played.

 

[Jason Wood]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

 

[zadok]

I love the Eagles and always will but we just drafted a 27 year old rookie with only 4 years of football playing experience in the first round.....he almost HAS to be Pouncy like from day one in order for this to be looked at positively. Theres hardly any room for progression with him at all due to his age. We'll realistically be looking for his replacement in 3 years no matter how good he turns out to be. And even at 27 he was ranked as the SECOND best at his position. No matter if you're the biggest Eagles fan or hater this is a head scratcher.

Getting a top 2 interior linemen (probably #1 if not for Pouncey's last name) for a team who needs interior line help is a head scratcher to you?

 

[Insein]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

Exactly. Doesn't matter where you got them, as long as they can play and contribute to the team. There are busts every where. I'm usually one of those very critical about the picks (Trevard Lindley last year) but I'm not really seeing the problem with Watkins. He should be able to step in from day 1 and solidify the interior line. Thats what you want from a first round pick. A starter.

 

[renesauz]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

That's not completely fair when you're consistantly drafting in the 20's, but wasn't Maclin considered by at least some folks to be that guy??????

 

[renesauz]

I love the Eagles and always will but we just drafted a 27 year old rookie with only 4 years of football playing experience in the first round.....he almost HAS to be Pouncy like from day one in order for this to be looked at positively. Theres hardly any room for progression with him at all due to his age. We'll realistically be looking for his replacement in 3 years no matter how good he turns out to be.

And even at 27 he was ranked as the SECOND best at his position.

No matter if you're the biggest Eagles fan or hater this is a head scratcher.

Sorry...that's a ridiculous statement. PHYSICAL progression maybe, but the 4 years experiance says that there's likely a ton of room for technical progression. And when there's room for that in a guy who's projected as an immediate starter by almost every expert.....well......your statement makes ZERO sense!

 

[renesauz]

Because it was an assinine statement.

I said his drafts were consistently poor and never mentioned his coaching.

Anyone saying this hasn't taken a good long look at the success rates of other teams. Looked at in a vacuum, the draft histories of almost every team looks poor. Comparatively speaking, Reid has done fairly well, at least top half.

 

[Jason Wood]

Because it was an assinine statement.

I said his drafts were consistently poor and never mentioned his coaching.

Anyone saying this hasn't taken a good long look at the success rates of other teams. Looked at in a vacuum, the draft histories of almost every team looks poor. Comparatively speaking, Reid has done fairly well, at least top half.

Of course he has

 

[JAA]

It has everything to do with versatility. On a line that has consistent injury issues, a guy that can play all positions is a good plus. And his age gives him maturity, a trait that should make coaching more effective. This guy can and should start at right guard or center right away. The fact that he was a rugby player and has a real strong character are other pluses. The only was this pick doesn't pan out is from catastrophic injury.

I personally wanted Smith the CB though.

What leads you to believe this? Did he play any C in college?

 

[JAA]

The Watkins pick is growing on me, but it still 'feels' like a reach. The only player I can think that compared is Brandon Albert who played G in college and moved to T. If Watkins turns out to be the next Logan Mankins, I will be very satisifed. None of this changes my feeling on him being 27th this season and only having played 4 years of football.

Sooo... you hate the pick unless he turns into a perrenial Pro-Bowler. Then you love it. Got it.

I am an Eagles fan right?

 

[JAA]

You hate the team you claim to like, we get that. And maybe when you finally get your wish and Reid is gone, and we're mired in mediocrity, you'll be the guy trying to put a positive spin on it for the rest of us.

not trueI want AR as the coach for now. Only because I dont think there is a better option out there. I wish AR was better at in-game adjustments and time management. Also, I dont approve of their 1st round track record.We are not in this thread to look at rainbows through green colored glasses ... we are here to ##### and moan and pray for players we think the Eagles need.

Actually we're supposed to be here to have rationale, balanced discussions about our team. The next time you're genuinely happy with the Birds will be the first.

Loved the Peters signingLoved the Samuel signingLoved the McNabb tradeLoved the McCoy pickLoved the Schmitt signing... I could go on

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

Or maybe, predictably, all the same people (you) are always blindly defending the Eagles and Andy Reid. You tired of being good for the past ten years? And mediocre at best for the past five. Cuz I am. I aspire for greatness

 

[JAA]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Can't do that if you're drafting from the 20s every year dude. Depending on who you chose to listen to, Andrews was the #1 or #2 OLineman that year, McDougle was the #2 DE, Maclin was the #2 WR and Graham was the #2 DE (#1 in my book).

You should look back at the 2004 draft. The OT class had to be one of the worst ever. The Giants certainly knew what they were doing ...

 

[JAA]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Tell that to the Giants, or Colts, or Pats, or Stillers, or Saints ...

 

[JAA]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

Im not complaining about our situation. Im complaining about certain decisions. Are you saying I should be 100% sold on each and every pick? I couldnt disagree more ...

 

[renesauz]

Im not complaining about our situation. Im complaining about certain decisions. Are you saying I should be 100% sold on each and every pick? I couldnt disagree more ...

I don't think anyone is saying that. What we're saying is that the premise that Reid has been bad at drafting is false. Even the most critical assesment would place Reid in the top half of coaches on draft day.I will also say this to Jason and others though: JAA has not normally been one of the ultra negative Eagles-suck posters in the past. We can disagree with his draft assessment, but he doesn't belong in the same class as some of those other guys who really have never said anything positive.

 

[Mighty Mice]

He's a tough SOB with a first round grade. We need one of those since Runyon retired.

As you know, we didnt reach for Runyon, who was taken in the 4th round, as a Tackle. We signed Runyon as a UFA from Houston

It was Tennessee at the time...but no matter. I don't think he was comparing Runyan's draft stock to Watkins, only the "tough SOB" part. And no, Watkins was not a reach.

Yeah, I realize Runyon was the first big FA signing AR made, not a late-1st rounder, but I meant the attitude. The Eagles needed to protect Vick and generally upgrade multiple line positions. Watkins should be an immediate starter at guard. Every mock I saw ham going late first (he did) to a team who needed O-Line help (you bet).All that being said, the one common denominator scouts mention is his "mean streak," and that he doesn't "take any ****." I think this team needs some "nasty" in the trenches. Runyon brought that. It's been lacking lately. It a 1st rounder ready to play and contribute in a big way right now. I thought about his age, but then kind of reconciled it with the fact that if we traded #23 for a 26 year old pro-bowl caliber O-Lineman (Jason Peters deja va?) how would that be recieved? Exactly. If he is who scouts think he is, this move is fine, and at the least, fills a glaring hole with a day-1 starter.

 

[JAA]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

That's not completely fair when you're consistantly drafting in the 20's, but wasn't Maclin considered by at least some folks to be that guy??????

I loved the Maclin pick, but I would have preferred Nicks as I got to watch Nicks a bunch in college and most specifically how well he did in his Bowl game in a losing effort against WVU.I really liked the 2009 draft, it was one of my favorites for the Eagles.

 

[Please See Mine]

I am questioning why him when Carimi was there? Logic should have prevailed here. You have a great OL Coach in Mudd. I would rather have the younger player if both players are equals in talent for the simple fact of age & experience.

And what if they are not equals in talent? Logic dictates you take your highest rated player. I would have taken Watkins over Carimi too. So would many others.

We know today for a fact that Carimi will be the better player and the Watkins is a bad pick.

 

[JAA]

Because it was an assinine statement.

I said his drafts were consistently poor and never mentioned his coaching.

Anyone saying this hasn't taken a good long look at the success rates of other teams. Looked at in a vacuum, the draft histories of almost every team looks poor. Comparatively speaking, Reid has done fairly well, at least top half.

How are you measuring this? I am curious to see these sorts of results

 

[Please See Mine]

and mocked as a mid 20s option by many.

link please

Kiper had him going to the Chiefs, and Peter King had the...gasp...Eagles drafting him in his mock in the magazine. There are others too but you're capable of a quick Google search I'm sure.

Wouldn't Mudd have weighed in on this as well? I think I would value his opinion pretty highly.

Didinger did mention today that Watkins body-type is much different than the usual Eagle O-Lineman and more similar to what he had in Indy.

 

[Jason Wood]

True enough. JAA isn't always negative. There are worse offenders, by far. Sorry for the snub JAA

 

[CentralPA]

The Watkins pick basically says they are going all in for Asomugha once FA hits.

 

[Insein]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

Or maybe, predictably, all the same people (you) are always blindly defending the Eagles and Andy Reid. You tired of being good for the past ten years? And mediocre at best for the past five. Cuz I am. I aspire for greatness

I mean I have irrational hatred sometimes too for this team but the Watkins pick is not one of them. Stop listening to 610. It makes your head explode hearing the rabble rousers.

 

[Please See Mine]

Here's my problem with the pick, and it really has nothing to do with Watkins. It's the classic case of Big Red thinking he is smarter than everyone else. And he simply isn't. So tired of it. Go the whole offseason hearing only about the lockout, and finally we get to the draft and everything seems like it's getting back to normal, and immediately it's the same old frustration. Andy being Andy. But I digress, atleast everything I hear about him sounds good. I like the mean streak and leadership. Don't like the age.

Why do you think he thinks he's smarter than everyone else? You realize Watkins was projected to us by several major mockers, including Peter King right? You realize Watkins was projected as the 2nd best interior lineman available, right? You also realize that, if you're alluding to Carimi, we're not the only ones that passed him over? EVERYONE had Carimi going ahead of James Carpenter, yet Pete Carroll apparently felt he was smarter than everyone else. You also realize that Reid's drafting has been a cornerstone of making us one of the best, most consistent teams in the NFC for more than a decade?

Great, if we are grouped in with Pete Carroll we're more screwed than I first thought.

And I still can't figure out if you are being serious with your last statement? You realize it is just a laughable statement right? You realize you sound like an Eagles lapdog right? You know it sounds like you need a refresher right? You remember Teo Nesheim in the 3rd round when nobody had him rated more than a 5th or 6th rounder right? Here are some more: Trevor Laws, Bryan Smith, Victor Abiamiri, Tony Hunt, Brodrick Bunkley, Chris Gocong, Mike Patterson, Reggie Brown, Matt McCoy, Jerome McDougal. You realize even the Fatman can hit the broad side of a barn occsionally right? His drafting has been consistenly poor.

Exactly. An incomplete list with examples cherry-picked to support the original belief is inarguable proof.

 

[Jason Wood]

The Watkins pick basically says they are going all in for Asomugha once FA hits.

Maybe. Or it says that they thought Watkins was the best player available on their draft board.

 

[JAA]

Im not complaining about our situation. Im complaining about certain decisions. Are you saying I should be 100% sold on each and every pick? I couldnt disagree more ...

I don't think anyone is saying that. What we're saying is that the premise that Reid has been bad at drafting is false. Even the most critical assesment would place Reid in the top half of coaches on draft day.I will also say this to Jason and others though: JAA has not normally been one of the ultra negative Eagles-suck posters in the past. We can disagree with his draft assessment, but he doesn't belong in the same class as some of those other guys who really have never said anything positive.

thank you for the kind words ...I think its boring to talk about the good stuff. When I was analyzing our draft (per my older post) I talked about how great we were (how great AR was) with putting out an amazing offense. I think it makes the most sense to draft developmental depth at this point for the offense. I dont think there is much of anything I would change except some of the play calling.Now the defense? The 1st round you should be getting an impact player. Someone who can come in immediately and fill a hole. Im pretty certain that we all would agree that Watkins is a talent, but he is more of a project than an instant impact. Maybe he turns out to be a pro-bowler day one, hey ... ill give the props when it happens. Also, its ok to draft on talent if you want. But we all agree there are glaring needs on this defense and they didnt get addressed in day1 of this draft. I believe most of ARs 1st rounds have been mediocre. I think AR has seen success in the later rounds.Also, I dont blame AR for the defense. I am certainly shuked about Juan Castillo at DC. Maybe I will be wrong, but I know Im not the only one scratching my head. Same thing with the Watkins pick ... Im not the only one scratching my head.... I will want DaQuan Bowers. Ill take his best for 3 years!

 

[renesauz]

Because it was an assinine statement.

I said his drafts were consistently poor and never mentioned his coaching.

Anyone saying this hasn't taken a good long look at the success rates of other teams. Looked at in a vacuum, the draft histories of almost every team looks poor. Comparatively speaking, Reid has done fairly well, at least top half.

How are you measuring this? I am curious to see these sorts of results

% of picks on the team, starting is a start. Compare that with a strong history of winning records. Then take a hard look at other team's drafts, and look at THEIR bust rates. Andy may not have found a long list of 1st team ALL-Pros in the late 1st, 2, or 3rd rounds, but his bust rate is lower than at least half the coaches. His "hit" rate among picks in the 15-45 area is certainly NOT bad, even if he hasn't hit many home runs.

Hitters in baseball come in two varieties: Sluggers hitting 40 HRs but only batting .270, and guys batting .310 but with only 15 HRs. You notice the first guy, but the second guy does just as much to help his team win. Reid isn't the slugger, but that fact doesn't make him "bad", just less noticeable.

I don't think you're being fair to Reid when your measuring stick seems to be HR's.

 

[Skeletore Eh]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

Or maybe, predictably, all the same people (you) are always blindly defending the Eagles and Andy Reid. You tired of being good for the past ten years? And mediocre at best for the past five. Cuz I am. I aspire for greatness

I mean I have irrational hatred sometimes too for this team but the Watkins pick is not one of them. Stop listening to 610. It makes your head explode hearing the rabble rousers.

Havent listened to 610 for years. Howard is insufferable, and if you disagree with Gargano you are an ingrate. That station is unbearable

 

[JAA]

He's a tough SOB with a first round grade. We need one of those since Runyon retired.

As you know, we didnt reach for Runyon, who was taken in the 4th round, as a Tackle. We signed Runyon as a UFA from Houston

It was Tennessee at the time...but no matter. I don't think he was comparing Runyan's draft stock to Watkins, only the "tough SOB" part. And no, Watkins was not a reach.

Yeah, I realize Runyon was the first big FA signing AR made, not a late-1st rounder, but I meant the attitude. The Eagles needed to protect Vick and generally upgrade multiple line positions. Watkins should be an immediate starter at guard. Every mock I saw ham going late first (he did) to a team who needed O-Line help (you bet).All that being said, the one common denominator scouts mention is his "mean streak," and that he doesn't "take any ****." I think this team needs some "nasty" in the trenches. Runyon brought that. It's been lacking lately. It a 1st rounder ready to play and contribute in a big way right now. I thought about his age, but then kind of reconciled it with the fact that if we traded #23 for a 26 year old pro-bowl caliber O-Lineman (Jason Peters deja va?) how would that be recieved? Exactly. If he is who scouts think he is, this move is fine, and at the least, fills a glaring hole with a day-1 starter.

Ive come around to the pick, when thinking about the pick in a vaccum. However, I would have preferred to address the Defense. If Watkins was at the top of their board, I could make the pick if I thought I could still draft a CB that would be competing for playing time immediately.

 

[JAA]

True enough. JAA isn't always negative. There are worse offenders, by far. Sorry for the snub JAA

no worries GB ... try and listen to some boo-bird talk every once in a while

 

[Insein]

I believe the most telling stat of AR 1st round picks is how he traded out and DIDNT go after players.

He traded up for Andrews. Up for McDougle. Up for Maclin. Up for Graham...

Yes, I did not phrase that properly. He does not go after position studs. I believe AR drafts journeymen players.Name one 1st round stud AR has drafted? I mean top projected player at his position.

Hard to get a top guy at a position when you make the playoffs every year.

Exactly. Not to mention you can't evaluate a team in a vacuum like "1st round picks." It's how they build the team, which is a culmination of the way they treat the entirety of the draft, street free agents, and veteran FAs. Eagles have 33 players on their roster that they drafted, and have one of the best winning percentages in the league under Reid, AND have tons of money to spend on FAs as needed this year (if we ever get the chance). Yet, predictably, all the same people that are always complaining are, complaining, about how awful our situation is.

Or maybe, predictably, all the same people (you) are always blindly defending the Eagles and Andy Reid. You tired of being good for the past ten years? And mediocre at best for the past five. Cuz I am. I aspire for greatness

I mean I have irrational hatred sometimes too for this team but the Watkins pick is not one of them. Stop listening to 610. It makes your head explode hearing the rabble rousers.

Havent listened to 610 for years. Howard is insufferable, and if you disagree with Gargano you are an ingrate. That station is unbearable

I only mention it because I clicked on angelo this morning and he's basically beating the same drum you are right now. Andy is a moron for drafting a 27 year old guard. Then he gets all his dirty 30 idiots to call in and echo his idiotic sentiments. Its just a joke of a show yet its somehow still on. I have to listen to Mike and Mike for sports in the morning. Thats hit or miss.

 

[JAA]

The Watkins pick basically says they are going all in for Asomugha once FA hits.

thinking this throughI would be surprised to see Phi tieing up so much cap space in 2 CBs. I just dont see it.That said, I was certain we were going to make a play for Mankins. That doesnt seem to be happening now ...Please for the love of all thats EAGLES can we address the LB position with some stud talent?