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Jason Wood
Zoo York
Look, I know Andy is loyal and ultimately it was his call but at this point, if he doesn't "re-assign" Castillo then this could very well be the last year of the Reid regime. I've always thought Reid was teflon coated and would never be on the hot seat until he wanted to leave, but now I can't see how he's not.
He needs to take dramatic action.
Our chances at the playoffs -- at least statistically -- are remote. So it's time to start figuring out if we just spent boatloads of money for NOTHING. Let's remember that a lot of the "Dream Team" were on one-year deals (or deals that were effectively structured to be one-year deals). And many of these guys came to Philly on a bet they would win big. So this team is going to look significantly different in 2012 potentially.
We've also got to decide about DJax. He's a talent, no question. But he's not an all around top tier receiver. He's not in the AJ, Megatron, Roddy, etc.. camp. He's not as valuable as someone like Mike Wallace who has the same crazy deep speed but has grown his game in other ways. DJax is a guy I want to have, but not at an exorbitant price.
And if we're being really honest with ourselves, do we feel great about Mike Vick? I can't say it's ALL his fault. The line is a mess, the receivers are turning the ball over in inexplicable ways, but isn't this the Vick we all worried about? Isn't this the gunslinger who puts himself in harms way and puts up gaudy stats but doesn't win against good teams? Isn't this EXACTLY the guy we always thought he was?
I'll tell you what, based solely on what we've seen so far (assuming no improvement from here on out)...
We could be in line for Andrew Luck playing for whatever offensive coordinator Bill Cowher brings with him next year. :(
He needs to take dramatic action.
Our chances at the playoffs -- at least statistically -- are remote. So it's time to start figuring out if we just spent boatloads of money for NOTHING. Let's remember that a lot of the "Dream Team" were on one-year deals (or deals that were effectively structured to be one-year deals). And many of these guys came to Philly on a bet they would win big. So this team is going to look significantly different in 2012 potentially.
We've also got to decide about DJax. He's a talent, no question. But he's not an all around top tier receiver. He's not in the AJ, Megatron, Roddy, etc.. camp. He's not as valuable as someone like Mike Wallace who has the same crazy deep speed but has grown his game in other ways. DJax is a guy I want to have, but not at an exorbitant price.
And if we're being really honest with ourselves, do we feel great about Mike Vick? I can't say it's ALL his fault. The line is a mess, the receivers are turning the ball over in inexplicable ways, but isn't this the Vick we all worried about? Isn't this the gunslinger who puts himself in harms way and puts up gaudy stats but doesn't win against good teams? Isn't this EXACTLY the guy we always thought he was?
I'll tell you what, based solely on what we've seen so far (assuming no improvement from here on out)...
We could be in line for Andrew Luck playing for whatever offensive coordinator Bill Cowher brings with him next year. :(
renesauz
IBL Representative
This is exactly how I felt at 5 PM yesterday. Still amazed that anyone could place any blame on Vick...he was pretty clearly the Eagles best player yesterday. But I took a step back and looked not at OUR record, but at the record of the teams that beat us. Throw out St. Louis, and that's a heck of a stretch of rough teams for a defense that has had zero time to gel with a dozen new parts including DC.I'm still pissed off and dissapointed, but I'm pretty sure we're over-reacting just a little. Win this week, use the bye to get better organized on Defense, and this team could easily make a run to the playoffs.As far as the stats go...they're misleading as all heck...tired of hearing those kinds of #s. BAD teams lose lots of games. GOOD teams win lots of games...but good and bad teams both have unusual strings of wins or losses when they face unusually strong or weak strings of opponents. This is EXACTLY the kind of team that typically overcomes "the (bogus)odds". Philly's chances of making the playoffs are significantly higher than 5%. The Luck talk is ludicrous.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
To place all the blame on Vick would be silly...to say he didnt have a hand in how ####ty we've been this season would be just as silly. Whether things are "his fault" or not. He is flat out a turnover MACHINE! I would love to see how many turnovers he has had in the last 8-10 games...it has to be a ton. What's happening with Vick is what 90% of us saw coming...and it started last season....
The D is crap...period. The talent is heavy in some areas and complete garbage in others. One week its traps...then draws...then screens and its all exploiting the same positions over and over. God forbid if we actually lose a "starting" LBer or Safety for an extended period of time.
To be honest I am SICK of hearing about our chances at making the playoffs. Excuse me but I was thinking a deep playoff run and a possible SB this season!! If you have watched this team play this season for 20 minutes you know there is no chance of either. To see what teams like the Giants, SF and Buffalo are doing to us and then thinking of playing GB or N.O. and actually expecting a win is laughable at this point in the season.
The D is crap...period. The talent is heavy in some areas and complete garbage in others. One week its traps...then draws...then screens and its all exploiting the same positions over and over. God forbid if we actually lose a "starting" LBer or Safety for an extended period of time.
To be honest I am SICK of hearing about our chances at making the playoffs. Excuse me but I was thinking a deep playoff run and a possible SB this season!! If you have watched this team play this season for 20 minutes you know there is no chance of either. To see what teams like the Giants, SF and Buffalo are doing to us and then thinking of playing GB or N.O. and actually expecting a win is laughable at this point in the season.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
I agree with your last few sentences. It FEELS like a colossal disappointment, but in the NFL you're not dead and buried until you're officially eliminated. As you said, we win against Washington this week and then USUALLY we're money off our bye, we could be back to 3-4 and then who knows?Basically we're either this year's version of the Chargers, or our goose is cooked. Difference, obviously, is that the Chargers were playing GOOD defense but just making inopportune gaffes. We're playing historically horrendous defense AND making inopportune gaffes.
renesauz
IBL Representative
And yet...we're losing one score games to playoff caliber teams.As another poster above said...we were supposed to be a SB contender, not just a playoff contender. He's right in that regard....but we are still a playoff contender, and teams have gotten hot and made improbable runs before once they made the dance.We need to take a deep breathe. Things are bad, but not nearly as bad as they seem with one glance at the record.This team could fold and go 6 - 10. With no real leaders (especially on Defense), that's possible. I'm NOT saying this team will make the playoffs. But they could improve to just average on defense, hold on to the ball a little better, and go 10 - 6 just as easily.
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delusional
Footballguy
They never bothered to address the problems they had last season. No OBP type hitting or bench. Pitching didnt lose the Giants series last year & it didn't lose this series. They been offensively crap since september ( hugh slump ) and have been streaky all season. Howard has been playing hurt most the year ( hits ankle/foot ) so that took away from some of his power. Then you had Charlie sticking with slumping players during the year & more importantly, during the playoffs, that is what killed it. Their top LHB option off the bench was a guy who needs to be pinch ran for & can't field because he has been needing hip surgery since the ASB ( Gload ). Ibanez Polly & Cooch went like 6 for 50 something in that series. Played every inning. THAT is the coaches fault. Manual is known to favor vets highly & will keep with slumping players because he has the "hit yourself out of a slump" mentality. Also his HR or nothing hitting ways doesnt work well for a team who has 1 legit HR anymore. They honestly should have used Mayberry more that series. Would have liked to seen Martinez or someone in at 3rd. Could have bunted with them, since Polly was insanely ineffective. At least the runners would have moved over but again, that is not Charlies thing. A few of these players have been known to 'carry the team' in past seasons. Howard is a prime example. I think a few of them were pressing too much to try to do just that. ( not a big fan, think he is overrated, should be a bench coach at best next year )
If they don't have the personnel at LB & S for the wide 9 then exactly how effective is it? Problem with the team has been shouted out by a few of us for a while now. -Relying on low talent potential late round draft picks to be effective starters. -Poor talent evaluations pertaining to drafting.-A no defensive experienced coach as your defensive coordinator. -Poor gameplanning & playcalling ( been this way for years )-Little to no gameday adjustments. Make matters worse, Juan is just like Andy in a sense. They been around each other so long then tend to think the same way.Noticed the media is finally calling Andy out after years of riding his coattails as this excellent coach. Its nice to see that & should have been done sooner. Any other coach would have been #### canned one of the past 3 seasons. Insanity in the dictionary has a picture of Reid & the Eagles organization as its description.
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Insein
Footballguy
It reminds me of the end of Ray Rhodes era. He had some solid years and some pretty good teams but they all just gave up in that last year. I don't think 5-11 is out of the question. This team is a whole bunch of individuals. Babin saying he doesn't care about stopping the run cause he wants his sacks. Vick, Desean and shady laughin it up on the sidelines while they are getting smoked. I think Andy's lost the team. They are not listening to Castillo and by entension Reid. This team is worse than the cowboys from last year. They could at least put some of the blame on injuries. We need a new look.
delusional
Footballguy
I think the players stopped believing in the coaches too. This is not the first time. McNabbs last year as a starter some of the players seemed to question things. I remember McNabb #####ing while under center during a goalline play and having to call a time out and he could be seen mounting "run the damn ball" or something to that effect.
Right now is bad though. There is nothing positive to take from anything so far this season. Everything involved with Reid has been a negative. From the draft, to coach hirings, to the oline, etc.
There is just absolutely no way the Eagles brass can sell this city on bringing Reid & Juan back next season. This team is 1-7 in its last 8 games.
Right now is bad though. There is nothing positive to take from anything so far this season. Everything involved with Reid has been a negative. From the draft, to coach hirings, to the oline, etc.
There is just absolutely no way the Eagles brass can sell this city on bringing Reid & Juan back next season. This team is 1-7 in its last 8 games.
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eaglezzz
Moderator
4 Straight weeks of some bad luck. We have had a chance in every one of those games and should be more like 3-2. Anyways looking onto next week and if we can beat Washington it could be the turning point of the whole season heading into the bye week.
Washington 3-1
NYG 3-2
Dallas 2-2
Philly 1-4
If Philly beats Washington, Dallas loses at New England, and the Bills knock off the Giants its a whole new year
Washington 3-2
NYG 3-3
Dallas 2-3
Philly 2-4
We just can't afford to lose any of those 5 remaining Division games. If we lose to Washington it will be time to throw in the towel and make some major changes but until then I think we have to still be positive
Washington 3-1
NYG 3-2
Dallas 2-2
Philly 1-4
If Philly beats Washington, Dallas loses at New England, and the Bills knock off the Giants its a whole new year
Washington 3-2
NYG 3-3
Dallas 2-3
Philly 2-4
We just can't afford to lose any of those 5 remaining Division games. If we lose to Washington it will be time to throw in the towel and make some major changes but until then I think we have to still be positive
CentralPA
Footballguy
Unfortunately it looks like they are next to go down the tubes. They need to inject some new younger offensive talent. Utley and Howard are in the Twilight of there careers. Howard though nufortunately is signed for 5 more years at 25 mill per year clip and now with only one foot. Such a horrible contract.
need2know
Footballguy
looks like reid wants to keep the wide 9. yay 
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Reid-Eagles-sticking-with-wide-9-on-defense.html?cmpid=131298059
One quote stood out to me.
"You obviously saw it worked the second half very effectively," Reid said. "Anything new, you have to work with and work out the wrinkles and get it right. They players have to learn it, the coaches have to learn it. it’s a joint effort there."
The coaches have to learn it? Shouldn't they already know it?
http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dneagles/Reid-Eagles-sticking-with-wide-9-on-defense.html?cmpid=131298059
One quote stood out to me.
"You obviously saw it worked the second half very effectively," Reid said. "Anything new, you have to work with and work out the wrinkles and get it right. They players have to learn it, the coaches have to learn it. it’s a joint effort there."
The coaches have to learn it? Shouldn't they already know it?
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I found this article by Mike Missanelli written after last year's first round playoff loss. Seems even more relevant today. I snipped this from about the middle of the article to the end:
Well, I’m sick of the whole thing. For me, Andy Reid’s shelf life has expired. It happens to everyone in sports eventually. It happened with Donovan McNabb. We were just ready to turn the page. Things got stale. And the same thing has happened with Reid. I’m tired of the inferior game plans that succumb to the opponents who aren’t supposed to come into your home field and win a playoff game. I’m tired of the mistakes in picking personnel and drafting. I’m tired of the lack of sideline management and game day adjustments. I’m tired of the food jokes. I want out.
I loathe the attitudes of some Eagles fans who are afraid of the great unknown. The “be careful what you wish for” people, as if there is no one else on earth better than Andy Reid who can coach the Philadelphia Eagles. We thought the sky was going to fall when they traded McNabb, right? How did that work out? Folks, there’s ALWAYS someone else who can do the job. With enough due diligence, you can always find a Sean Payton, or a Mike Smith, or a Raheem Morris, who can build a program. No, the Eagles aren’t going to fire Andy Reid right now, but there had better be sentiment for turning the page if the Eagles don’t improve enough to get into a championship picture next year. That would be 13 years without a championship. Only two coaches have lasted at least that long without winning a title: Bill Cowher, who took 15 years before he won a Super Bowl (though Cowher DID take the Steelers to the big game in his fourth year at the helm), and Jeff Fisher. And I don’t know what the Titans are thinking keeping him around.
Now, are you ready for this stat? Take Cowher out of the picture, and all the coaches who have won Super Bowls have won them in an average of three years! Chuck Noll won in his sixth season with the Steelers. John Madden won in his eighth year with the Raiders. Everybody else won within four years!
How long do we have to wait without coming to the conclusion that Andy Reid might be a decent coach? We’re in it to win it.
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/01/12/andy-reid-is-done/
Well, I’m sick of the whole thing. For me, Andy Reid’s shelf life has expired. It happens to everyone in sports eventually. It happened with Donovan McNabb. We were just ready to turn the page. Things got stale. And the same thing has happened with Reid. I’m tired of the inferior game plans that succumb to the opponents who aren’t supposed to come into your home field and win a playoff game. I’m tired of the mistakes in picking personnel and drafting. I’m tired of the lack of sideline management and game day adjustments. I’m tired of the food jokes. I want out.
I loathe the attitudes of some Eagles fans who are afraid of the great unknown. The “be careful what you wish for” people, as if there is no one else on earth better than Andy Reid who can coach the Philadelphia Eagles. We thought the sky was going to fall when they traded McNabb, right? How did that work out? Folks, there’s ALWAYS someone else who can do the job. With enough due diligence, you can always find a Sean Payton, or a Mike Smith, or a Raheem Morris, who can build a program. No, the Eagles aren’t going to fire Andy Reid right now, but there had better be sentiment for turning the page if the Eagles don’t improve enough to get into a championship picture next year. That would be 13 years without a championship. Only two coaches have lasted at least that long without winning a title: Bill Cowher, who took 15 years before he won a Super Bowl (though Cowher DID take the Steelers to the big game in his fourth year at the helm), and Jeff Fisher. And I don’t know what the Titans are thinking keeping him around.
Now, are you ready for this stat? Take Cowher out of the picture, and all the coaches who have won Super Bowls have won them in an average of three years! Chuck Noll won in his sixth season with the Steelers. John Madden won in his eighth year with the Raiders. Everybody else won within four years!
How long do we have to wait without coming to the conclusion that Andy Reid might be a decent coach? We’re in it to win it.
http://blogs.phillymag.com/the_philly_post/2011/01/12/andy-reid-is-done/
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
That says it all for me and I was once the “be careful what you wish for” guy. Like McNabb, I wouldnt kick him on the way out but enough is enough. I am SICK of Reiding the same book over and over and over.
babydemon90
Footballguy
eagles schedule certainly doesn't look any better going forward...
2 games vs Dallas, 2 vs Washington. Could easily go 1-3 or 2-2 in those.
Bears? Not going to be easy, and they easily beat us last year.
Cardinals? Probably will win this, but you know Kolb will be fired up.
@Miami should be a win.
@Seattle? Honestly don't know. Should win, but Lynch could be running all day long. Seattle scored twice as many points against the Giants as we did. what does that say about us?
A 5-11 season is a real possibility.
2 games vs Dallas, 2 vs Washington. Could easily go 1-3 or 2-2 in those.
Bears? Not going to be easy, and they easily beat us last year.
Cardinals? Probably will win this, but you know Kolb will be fired up.
@Miami should be a win.
@Seattle? Honestly don't know. Should win, but Lynch could be running all day long. Seattle scored twice as many points against the Giants as we did. what does that say about us?
A 5-11 season is a real possibility.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And you forgot New England...
Deamon
Footballguy
8 million posts and you HONESTLY think that its a possibility we win less games then any other team in the nfl? C'mon man! I know you said with no improvement, but we are 3 plays away from being 4-1. Seems like no bounces are going our way and everything that could go right for the other team does. Even when we get a huge pick to end the half, its no points. These breaks have to even out by the end of the year I hope. We beat wash and this season is salvagable. We don't, and then maybe we can talk about getting a top 10 pick in the draft, but not top 1.
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Jason Wood
Zoo York
A possibility? Sure. An extremely remote possibility though obviously.
jasvic
Footballguy
What are these bad breaks you're talking about? The pick to end the half and no points isn't a bad break, it's bad (stupid) football. The interceptions and fumbles weren't bad breaks, it's bad football. The porous defense isn't a bad break, it's bad football.I do agree that even with the flaws, this team could be undefeated right now. But the reality is they aren't, not because of bad breaks but stupid mistakes, either player or coaching. The question is, do you think those mistakes can be fixed in the next week or so? Right now, the money is on no, but hey, anything can happen.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
MNF halftime report, Chris Mortensen reporting Reid and the front office are meeting to discuss bringing in a defensive consultant after the bye.
BassNBrew
Footballguy
Nice backtrack but that's not what you said. Just admit that you exagerated and move on.
modogg
Footballguy
article on profootballtalk looks at some possible guys to bring in as a consultant: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/report-eagles-will-consider-bringing-in-a-defensive-consultant/They mention a guy I would do backflips if they brought in, Chuck Cecil. He ran a 4-3 in Tennessee last year, and I think he would help this defense immensely. if it was simply bringing in a little swagger, and not this nose in the air swagger where th4e Eagles think they are much better then everybody else, but the type of swagger this defense has not had since Dawkins was here. Of course Chuck Cecil wouldn't be on the field, but i remember hearing from the guys in Tennessee last year that he was the kind of coach you wanted to play your hardest for. With the Eagles having Washburn coaching the DL, it could make a lot of sense to bring him in. I am not sure he is the defensive consultant role, but I would feel much better if he were brought in to help
Polish Hammer
made of glass
At least this is a good start...but why wait until after the bye? Why not get their live eyes in on a game and see it up close and personal. Worst thing is if this is just a tease and they say "well, we discussed it but we're good...we just need to do a better job of putting guys in a good position to make plays."
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Scared of what it might be like without Reid? Right now I'm scared that they turn things around enough where it saves Reid's job.
delusional
Footballguy
so true.
if they bring in a consultant then reid is gone at the end of the year, simple as that. i can NEVER seeing him sucking up his pride to bring in outside help
Amused to Death
Footballguy
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jasvic
Footballguy
I think this is the most depressing thing right now. Over the years, despite his flaws and flashes of in-game stupidity that would cost games, he would turn the team around and get in the playoffs. He gave us hope. This year is the first for me where I completely agree with calling for his head, and there's no going back. What makes it depressing is watching the Bills game, when they started coming back, while I was rooting for them, on the inside I was hoping they wouldn't because it would give everyone false hope and keep Reid around another year. I'd rather they keep stinking this year to improve the team long term by changing coaches.A lot of us are.
need2know
Footballguy
hate to say I agree, but i do.I think this is the most depressing thing right now. Over the years, despite his flaws and flashes of in-game stupidity that would cost games, he would turn the team around and get in the playoffs. He gave us hope. This year is the first for me where I completely agree with calling for his head, and there's no going back. What makes it depressing is watching the Bills game, when they started coming back, while I was rooting for them, on the inside I was hoping they wouldn't because it would give everyone false hope and keep Reid around another year. I'd rather they keep stinking this year to improve the team long term by changing coaches.A lot of us are.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
It's effective from the perspective that it gets pressure on the QB from the front 4 without blitzing every other down.
delusional
Footballguy
Again, if you don't have the personnel then how effective is it really? Non-effective.But this is Reid, it is how he is. Instead of changing it up to fit the players he has to make things works, he will keep driving that square peg into a round hole.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This is where you give Jeff Fisher a blank check and have him fill out the rest!'modogg said:
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Jim Johnson's ultimately had a pretty effective defense, but when it was implemented in 1999 they didn't have all the personnel to run it. It took a year. It's a process, they have to see what they have, with what they have, and then they can see what they need.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Pretty general replay, don't you think?I'm sure most (if not all Eagle fans) who have watched them can tell what they need.Personel wise- LBers (3 of them), Safties (2 of them) and DT (At least one of them..maybe 2 for depth)Coaching wise- Experiance and someone with these things called balls....like the ones Jim Johnson had...
delusional
Footballguy
Reid already stated they are not bringing anyone in to consult the defense. Kinda seen that coming. That would be an admittance of failure on his part ( for hiring Juan ) & on Juans part as a D Coach. Couldn't see his ego bringing in a guy to consult.
Other news, they worked out a safety,
Other news, they worked out a safety,
and Dhani Jones retired.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Let's go with the assumption that Mort is correct in reporting the Eagles actually discussed the possibility (something the team doesn't dispute). That means 1 of 2 things happened: Andy went to the front office, recognizing Juan's in over his head and needs help, and they told him no - fix your own problem. Or two, the front office asked Andy what the heck's going on here? Do you need help? and Andy stubbornly rejected it.I'm guessing number 2 is more likely.
Assani Fisher
Footballguy
awesome that the line in Philly/Wash has swung to favor Philly(currently 1.5), meaning that if Philly loses this week they will be 1-5 yet will have been favored in every single game. They then play 3 straight home games(Dallas, Chicago, Arizona) so its possible that they could go 1-8 yet will have been favorites in all 9 games, lol.
delusional
Footballguy
they are 1-7 i think in their last 8 games period lol.
There is a chance ot beat Chicago & Arizona though.
There is a chance ot beat Chicago & Arizona though.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
There are no "gimmes" on the schedule (they were the 9ers and Bills) but I'm most optimistic about Dallas at home (after the bye), Arizona at home and at Miami. Rest are a toss up imo.
delusional
Footballguy
I dont think they win the Dallas game. They have a chance at the Bears game because of the bears Oline. I think the front 4 will ravage them.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
If they lose the next game, might as well tank.
eaglezzz
Moderator
One game at a time. Lets just worry about the Washington game this week.
Insein
Footballguy
I was actually a little worried about Washington even before the Eagles have plummeted. They have an improved line and despite the fact that I don't think Shanahan is that great, he has instilled stability to their offense. Their defense was always solid and now they have the plodding, clock draining offense to go with it. I see the Eagles struggling this week.
Redskins 24
Eagles 16
Redskins 24
Eagles 16
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
What the heck is Vegas looking at? I was shocked they were favored last week. Can't believe they are favored again...
delusional
Footballguy
Oh come the F on Eagles....
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Heard this on my way home from work today. Can't part with those 7th round picks though. That's the round we get our starting LBs from.Just settle in and watch the Flyers...home opener tonight! And they're winning.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Pathetic. We are absolutley LOADED with picks for next season and he is an INSTANT upgrade over anything we have.'Amused to Death said:'delusional said:
Just settle in and watch the Flyers...home opener tonight! And they're winning.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
I just laugh. How can you not? After all, we are basking in the glow if the Gold Standard in all its glory.They just love their draft picks. Can't possibly give them up.Pathetic. We are absolutley LOADED with picks for next season and he is an INSTANT upgrade over anything we have.'Amused to Death said:'delusional said:
Just settle in and watch the Flyers...home opener tonight! And they're winning.
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