*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (2 Viewers)

[Good Posting Judge]

Dickey wants 2/30.

Honestly, I don't think that's so crazy in this market.

 

[Eephus]

Yanks are hot after Keppinger

Would be a good signing in my opinion.

Looks like the White Sox got him.

3/$12M. Not surprised by the contract in the MLB economy. I am surprised if the Yankees really wanted him, they wouldn't have outbid Chicago.

 

[Brady Marino]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosiJason Bay's deal with #Mariners is "close" to completion as of this hour, source says.

 

[Eephus]

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosiJason Bay's deal with #Mariners is "close" to completion as of this hour, source says.

Jack Z is trying to decide how much of the Mets buyout money Bay should pay for field level season tickets

 

[Michael Brown]

Yanks are hot after Keppinger

Would be a good signing in my opinion.

Looks like the White Sox got him.

3/$12M. Not surprised by the contract in the MLB economy. I am surprised if the Yankees really wanted him, they wouldn't have outbid Chicago.

With the way the Yanks have maneuvered this offseason, I would've expected a 1-year $12 million deal

 

[Michael Brown]

There is also the open market thing. As with the Yankees and A-Rod, the Phillies didn't need to obtain Howard's services on the open market. They had nothing to gain by offering him that kind of money that early. That makes the deals particularly egregious IMO. The Nats at least can defend themselves by saying they had to outbid 29 other teams, and in their case can also made the argument that they had to outbid by a decent margin because they were viewed as a perennial loser at the time.

Circumstances of why a contract was agreed upon is irrelevant to this discussion. The contract is the contract.EDIT: Even though I agree with you.

Fair point. Probably outside the bounds of the question.

I'm 100% with you that ARod's was the worst, but there is one technicality i wanted to mention which is that he did opt out of his previous contract. So technically he was no longer under contract and they did* have to compete with other teams for his services.* That being said, NOBODY was even going to match what he had already gotten from Texas in the previous deal, so to use that as a starting point and go UP from there was just completely asinine. Everyone knew the Texas deal was completely absurd, and I've never understood those who say A-Rod crawled back to the Yanks. The guy was offered a gigantic raise on the most gigantic contract of all-time! The Yanks bent over on that one, after publicly claiming they wouldn't negotiate if he opted out. God I hate that month.

 

[TobiasFunke]

There is also the open market thing. As with the Yankees and A-Rod, the Phillies didn't need to obtain Howard's services on the open market. They had nothing to gain by offering him that kind of money that early. That makes the deals particularly egregious IMO. The Nats at least can defend themselves by saying they had to outbid 29 other teams, and in their case can also made the argument that they had to outbid by a decent margin because they were viewed as a perennial loser at the time.

Circumstances of why a contract was agreed upon is irrelevant to this discussion. The contract is the contract.EDIT: Even though I agree with you.

Fair point. Probably outside the bounds of the question.

I'm 100% with you that ARod's was the worst, but there is one technicality i wanted to mention which is that he did opt out of his previous contract. So technically he was no longer under contract and they did* have to compete with other teams for his services.* That being said, NOBODY was even going to match what he had already gotten from Texas in the previous deal, so to use that as a starting point and go UP from there was just completely asinine. Everyone knew the Texas deal was completely absurd, and I've never understood those who say A-Rod crawled back to the Yanks. The guy was offered a gigantic raise on the most gigantic contract of all-time! The Yanks bent over on that one, after publicly claiming they wouldn't negotiate if he opted out. God I hate that month.

My bad, misunderstanding of the opt-out on my end. You're right that he was essentially a free agent in 2007. But as you say, they were bidding against themselves at that level of money and years. So weird.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Seattle signed Jason Bay.

White Sox signed Keppinger at 3 years, 12 million.

Twins made an offer to bring Liriano back.

 

[Billy Bats]

Four team blockbuster? From Rosenthal and Fox Sports; Indians, Rays, Rangers, DBacks with Upton, Cabrera, Shields and prospects involved.

 

[Premier]

Uhhh who's getting Upton?

 

[Billy Bats]

Uhhh who's getting Upton?

Rumors say Texas winds up with Upton, DBacks get Asdrubal, Cleveland gets Shields, Tampa prospectsUnlkely to happen but KR says its out there.

 

[Bogart]

Uhhh who's getting Upton?

Rumors say Texas winds up with Upton, DBacks get Asdrubal, Cleveland gets Shields, Tampa prospectsUnlkely to happen but KR says its out there.

Bullet points about possible multi-team deal:

· First, lots of reporters have attempted to advance the ball on Ken Rosenthal’s early-morning Fox Sports report of a possible four-team trade being discussed by Texas, Arizona, Cleveland, and Tampa Bay.

· According to both Bob Nightengale (USA Today) and Scott Miller (CBS Sports), the talks are centered on Justin Upton, James Shields, and Asdrubal Cabrera.

· Jon Heyman (CBS Sports), identifying the same four teams, says “[n]ormally I [would] say no way” a deal that complicated gets done, “ut that’s four GM’s who can juggle.” One version of the deal, he reports, has Upton going to Texas, Cabrera to Arizona, and Martin Perez and more to Cleveland.

· According to Evan Grant (Dallas Morning News), Texas would be moving Mike Olt and other prospects and coming away with Upton and a pitcher – “potentially James Shields or a Cleveland reliever.” I suppose the Indians relievers who would be of interest start with closer Chris Perez (two years of arbitration control), right-handed set-up man Vinnie Pestano (one pre-arbitration season plus three years of arbitration control), and lefthander Tony Sipp (three years of arbitration control).

· Buster Olney (ESPN) suggests the Royals are in four-team talks along with Arizona and Cleveland – he doesn’t say whether it’s Texas or Tampa Bay who would be out of the mix in that case.

 

[Premier]

I can't imagine any way the Rays trade Shields without gettin a premium bat back. No way.

 

[Bogart]

I can't imagine any way the Rays trade Shields without gettin a premium bat back. No way.

I agree. Too much noise right now to make any sense.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Chavez to Arizona. 3B market for NYY has dried considerably today. Heard Cashman yesterday with Francesa. He kept on stressing how ARod would be back by June and how they didn't need a full season 3B. First off, June seems ambitious. Second, are the Yanks really going to start the season with Nunez at third (for example)?

Full time 3B left: Reynolds, Youk, anyone else?

MOre platoon types: WiggintOn maybe?

 

[Billy Bats]

I can't imagine any way the Rays trade Shields without gettin a premium bat back. No way.

I agree. Too much noise right now to make any sense.

Yup, that's the one part that doesn't add up in that scenario.Eta: does shields to Cleveland even make sense?

 

[Bogart]

Chavez to Arizona. 3B market for NYY has dried considerably today. Heard Cashman yesterday with Francesa. He kept on stressing how ARod would be back by June and how they didn't need a full season 3B. First off, June seems ambitious. Second, are the Yanks really going to start the season with Nunez at third (for example)? Full time 3B left: Reynolds, Youk, anyone else?MOre platoon types: WiggintOn maybe?

Hearing that both NYY and Phila are looking at Mike Young for third base. I guess they haven't watched any Ranger baseball the last 3 years.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Yanks are hot after Keppinger

Would be a good signing in my opinion.

Looks like the White Sox got him.

3/$12M. Not surprised by the contract in the MLB economy. I am surprised if the Yankees really wanted him, they wouldn't have outbid Chicago.

Heyman says they did offer more. I guess he didn't want to play there.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Yanks are hot after Keppinger

Would be a good signing in my opinion.

Looks like the White Sox got him.

3/$12M. Not surprised by the contract in the MLB economy. I am surprised if the Yankees really wanted him, they wouldn't have outbid Chicago.

Heyman says they did offer more. I guess he didn't want to play there.

Now Olney is reporting they never made an offer.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Chavez to Arizona. 3B market for NYY has dried considerably today. Heard Cashman yesterday with Francesa. He kept on stressing how ARod would be back by June and how they didn't need a full season 3B. First off, June seems ambitious. Second, are the Yanks really going to start the season with Nunez at third (for example)? Full time 3B left: Reynolds, Youk, anyone else?MOre platoon types: WiggintOn maybe?

Hearing that both NYY and Phila are looking at Mike Young for third base. I guess they haven't watched any Ranger baseball the last 3 years.

Sadly, I think Michael Young might be an upgrade for Philly compared to what they were trotting out there last year.

 

[Brady Marino]

Yankees and agent for Youklis met today. Nothing earth shattering to report yet, just that they met per Ken Rosenthal.

 

[MAC_32]

I can't imagine any way the Rays trade Shields without gettin a premium bat back. No way.

I agree. Too much noise right now to make any sense.

Yup, that's the one part that doesn't add up in that scenario.Eta: does shields to Cleveland even make sense?

Yes, Cleveland's starting pitching is awful and they have nothing cooking in the cupboard that will be ready anytime soon. They acquired Aviles last month with the intention on using Asdrubal to bring back a right handed corner OF stick or upgrading starting pitching.

 

[scoobus]

Blanton to the Angels, 2/$15

meh

 

[Eephus]

Blanton to the Angels, 2/$15meh

He's the opposite of sexy but should be a reliable innings eater among the higher risk propositions of Wilson, Hanson and Garrett Richards. The Angels still have enough money to be in the market for Greinke.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Blanton to the Angels, 2/$15meh

He's the opposite of sexy but should be a reliable innings eater among the higher risk propositions of Wilson, Hanson and Garrett Richards. The Angels still have enough money to be in the market for Greinke.

Paying a little for a guy who isn't that great is better than paying a lot for a guy who isn't that great.Blanton probably plays well in the ALW, given his propensity for the long ball. Kinda wish Oakland went after him again, really.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Blanton to the Angels, 2/$15meh

He's the opposite of sexy but should be a reliable innings eater among the higher risk propositions of Wilson, Hanson and Garrett Richards. The Angels still have enough money to be in the market for Greinke.

Paying a little for a guy who isn't that great is better than paying a lot for a guy who isn't that great.Blanton probably plays well in the ALW, given his propensity for the long ball. Kinda wish Oakland went after him again, really.

I think meh pretty much sums up my thoughts on Blanton.

 

[shadyridr]

Yanks offered Youk 1yr, $12m

I MEAN WTF IS GOING ON HERE!

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yanks offered Youk 1yr, $12mI MEAN WTF IS GOING ON HERE!

One year deal is a one year deal. I don't think any of them are particularly bad. Surprised the Red Sox didn't offer him a 6/70.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yanks offered Youk 1yr, $12mI MEAN WTF IS GOING ON HERE!

One year deal is a one year deal. I don't think any of them are particularly bad. Surprised the Red Sox didn't offer him a 6/70.

No such thing as a bad one year deal. Unless it's for a below replacement level player I guess. Youk is definitely not that.

 

[shadyridr]

Yanks offered Youk 1yr, $12mI MEAN WTF IS GOING ON HERE!

One year deal is a one year deal. I don't think any of them are particularly bad. Surprised the Red Sox didn't offer him a 6/70.

No such thing as a bad one year deal. Unless it's for a below replacement level player I guess. Youk is definitely not that.

I dunno. 1 yr isnt the problem. 12m seems like alot for someone who flat out sucked last year and is quite injury prone. Oh wellSupposedly Granderson, Hughes, & Nova are all on the block

 

[TobiasFunke]

Yanks offered Youk 1yr, $12mI MEAN WTF IS GOING ON HERE!

One year deal is a one year deal. I don't think any of them are particularly bad. Surprised the Red Sox didn't offer him a 6/70.

No such thing as a bad one year deal. Unless it's for a below replacement level player I guess. Youk is definitely not that.

I dunno. 1 yr isnt the problem. 12m seems like alot for someone who flat out sucked last year and is quite injury prone. Oh wellSupposedly Granderson, Hughes, & Nova are all on the block

The beauty of the one year deal is that the money is almost irrelevant. It's not like the Yankees- even the new look penny pinching Yankees- are gonna be hamstrung in future years because they spent $12 million in 2013. I really like this move for the Yanks if they get him, I think it's a good fit.

 

[Billy Bats]

It's Michael Young's decision to waive his no trade and become a Phillie with Texas reportedly picking up 10m of 16m contract left.

They both suck but I guess Young at 6m for one year is better than Youk at 12m?

:X

 

[Northern Voice]

Ben Revere to Phillies, who is playing CF in Minnesota now?

 

[Billy Bats]

Phillies reportedly acquire Ben Revere. No idea what he brings, is he serviceable at least? "Solid average player" isn't too exciting.

Sources: Phillies Acquire Revere

The Phillies will not leave the Winter Meetings empty handed.

Multiple sources confirmed to MLB.com this morning the Phillies have acquired outfielder Ben Revere in a trade with the Minnesota Twins. It is unclear who the Phillies have sent to the Twins as part of the trade, but the Twins have been looking for pitching.

Revere hit .294 with 13 doubles, six triples, 32 RBIs, 40 stolen bases and 70 runs scored in 511 at-bats last season. He also carried a .333 on-base percentage and a .342 slugging percentage.

“If they get him, based on what’s available, they did all right,” one high-ranking American League executive said this morning. “He’s a solid average player. That’s how I look at him. He’s above average defensively. He can run. My biggest question, considering his size (5-foot-9, 170 pounds), is if he can play 145, 150 games. But he puts the ball in play better than I thought he would.”

An official announcement could come later today.

Amaro is doing the smart thing though and not overpaying for what's left of the FA's. I was terrified at the thought of what they might have given Michael Bourn at this stage of the game.

ETA: Oooof, gave up Worley and one of our "top" prospects Trevor May. That doesn't sound good.

 

[Eephus]

Ben Revere to Phillies, who is playing CF in Minnesota now?

Mastroianni? He better cover a lot of ground with Willingham and Parmalee at the corners. The Twins have some OF talent in the high minors so their needs there are short term.Vance Worley and Trevor May are the other half of the deal. Minnesota is doing some necessary rebuilding of their pitching staff but they're giving up major league position players to do it. It's an interesting strategy.

 

[Northern Voice]

Ben Revere to Phillies, who is playing CF in Minnesota now?

Mastroianni? He better cover a lot of ground with Willingham and Parmalee at the corners. The Twins have some OF talent in the high minors so their needs there are short term.Vance Worley and Trevor May are the other half of the deal. Minnesota is doing some necessary rebuilding of their pitching staff but they're giving up major league position players to do it. It's an interesting strategy.

I think Minnesota does well in this deal in terms of the return they get. I really like Mastroianni from his time in the Jays system and he seems to be a pretty ideal 4th OF. Not sure about everyday starter in CF but I guess he's solid defensively and has shown pretty good on base skills in the past.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Ben Revere to Phillies, who is playing CF in Minnesota now?

Mastroianni? He better cover a lot of ground with Willingham and Parmalee at the corners. The Twins have some OF talent in the high minors so their needs there are short term.Vance Worley and Trevor May are the other half of the deal. Minnesota is doing some necessary rebuilding of their pitching staff but they're giving up major league position players to do it. It's an interesting strategy.

I think Minnesota does well in this deal in terms of the return they get. I really like Mastroianni from his time in the Jays system and he seems to be a pretty ideal 4th OF. Not sure about everyday starter in CF but I guess he's solid defensively and has shown pretty good on base skills in the past.

Think this is a good trade for both teams. Revere obviously fills a need for Philly in CF and gives them a threat on the basepaths.

 

[scoobus]

It's Michael Young's decision to waive his no trade and become a Phillie with Texas reportedly picking up 10m of 16m contract left. They both suck but I guess Young at 6m for one year is better than Youk at 12m? :X

Michael Young at 0m is worse than Youk at 20m. Obviously I'm a big Young fan.Please, please, please waive your no-trade clause Mikey.

 

[shadyridr]

Phillies reportedly acquire Ben Revere. No idea what he brings, is he serviceable at least? "Solid average player" isn't too exciting.

Sources: Phillies Acquire Revere

The Phillies will not leave the Winter Meetings empty handed.

Multiple sources confirmed to MLB.com this morning the Phillies have acquired outfielder Ben Revere in a trade with the Minnesota Twins. It is unclear who the Phillies have sent to the Twins as part of the trade, but the Twins have been looking for pitching.

Revere hit .294 with 13 doubles, six triples, 32 RBIs, 40 stolen bases and 70 runs scored in 511 at-bats last season. He also carried a .333 on-base percentage and a .342 slugging percentage.

“If they get him, based on what’s available, they did all right,” one high-ranking American League executive said this morning. “He’s a solid average player. That’s how I look at him. He’s above average defensively. He can run. My biggest question, considering his size (5-foot-9, 170 pounds), is if he can play 145, 150 games. But he puts the ball in play better than I thought he would.”

An official announcement could come later today.

Amaro is doing the smart thing though and not overpaying for what's left of the FA's. I was terrified at the thought of what they might have given Michael Bourn at this stage of the game.

ETA: Oooof, gave up Worley and one of our "top" prospects Trevor May. That doesn't sound good.

Revere was a hitting machine in the 2nd half of the season last year.

 

[Bogart]

It's Michael Young's decision to waive his no trade and become a Phillie with Texas reportedly picking up 10m of 16m contract left. They both suck but I guess Young at 6m for one year is better than Youk at 12m? :X

Michael Young at 0m is worse than Youk at 20m. Obviously I'm a big Young fan.Please, please, please waive your no-trade clause Mikey.

I will be there when Texas retires Young's number, but a trade would do both of them good.

 

[Billy Bats]

It's Michael Young's decision to waive his no trade and become a Phillie with Texas reportedly picking up 10m of 16m contract left. They both suck but I guess Young at 6m for one year is better than Youk at 12m? :X

Michael Young at 0m is worse than Youk at 20m. Obviously I'm a big Young fan.Please, please, please waive your no-trade clause Mikey.

Oh, it's THAT bad?! Awesome.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Phillies reportedly acquire Ben Revere. No idea what he brings, is he serviceable at least? "Solid average player" isn't too exciting.

Sources: Phillies Acquire Revere

The Phillies will not leave the Winter Meetings empty handed.

Multiple sources confirmed to MLB.com this morning the Phillies have acquired outfielder Ben Revere in a trade with the Minnesota Twins. It is unclear who the Phillies have sent to the Twins as part of the trade, but the Twins have been looking for pitching.

Revere hit .294 with 13 doubles, six triples, 32 RBIs, 40 stolen bases and 70 runs scored in 511 at-bats last season. He also carried a .333 on-base percentage and a .342 slugging percentage.

“If they get him, based on what’s available, they did all right,” one high-ranking American League executive said this morning. “He’s a solid average player. That’s how I look at him. He’s above average defensively. He can run. My biggest question, considering his size (5-foot-9, 170 pounds), is if he can play 145, 150 games. But he puts the ball in play better than I thought he would.”

An official announcement could come later today.

Amaro is doing the smart thing though and not overpaying for what's left of the FA's. I was terrified at the thought of what they might have given Michael Bourn at this stage of the game.

ETA: Oooof, gave up Worley and one of our "top" prospects Trevor May. That doesn't sound good.

Revere was a hitting machine in the 2nd half of the season last year.

He hit .278/.321/.328 for the second half last year.

Maybe the machine you had in mind was the digestive system?

 

[Billy Bats]

Phillies reportedly acquire Ben Revere. No idea what he brings, is he serviceable at least? "Solid average player" isn't too exciting.

Sources: Phillies Acquire Revere

The Phillies will not leave the Winter Meetings empty handed.

Multiple sources confirmed to MLB.com this morning the Phillies have acquired outfielder Ben Revere in a trade with the Minnesota Twins. It is unclear who the Phillies have sent to the Twins as part of the trade, but the Twins have been looking for pitching.

Revere hit .294 with 13 doubles, six triples, 32 RBIs, 40 stolen bases and 70 runs scored in 511 at-bats last season. He also carried a .333 on-base percentage and a .342 slugging percentage.

"If they get him, based on what's available, they did all right," one high-ranking American League executive said this morning. "He's a solid average player. That's how I look at him. He's above average defensively. He can run. My biggest question, considering his size (5-foot-9, 170 pounds), is if he can play 145, 150 games. But he puts the ball in play better than I thought he would."

An official announcement could come later today.

Amaro is doing the smart thing though and not overpaying for what's left of the FA's. I was terrified at the thought of what they might have given Michael Bourn at this stage of the game.

ETA: Oooof, gave up Worley and one of our "top" prospects Trevor May. That doesn't sound good.

Revere was a hitting machine in the 2nd half of the season last year.

I guess they're hoping he's a younger version of Bourn? Like I said earlier, it's better than dropping 5/80 on Bourn, but may have thought we could've gotten more for Worley + May. But I obviously don't know much, just a knee jerk reaction.

 

[oso diablo]

are one of Worley or May hurt? that seems like a lot to pay for Ben Revere.

 

[Brady Marino]

are one of Worley or May hurt? that seems like a lot to pay for Ben Revere.

Worley lost a big part of last season due to injury. Phillies getting out while the getting is good? He kind of came out of nowhere for them.

 

[Billy Bats]

are one of Worley or May hurt? that seems like a lot to pay for Ben Revere.

Worley lost a big part of last season due to injury. Phillies getting out while the getting is good? He kind of came out of nowhere for them.

Loose body and bone spur removed in September. Nothing major, will be fine for ST/opening day.

 

[Frostillicus]

Revere is very comparable to a young Juan Pierre right now, although he has increased his BB% each year so there's a chance maybe he can become a more traditional lead-off hitter. At a minimum you're getting an elite fielder with elite speed who can hit for average a little. Zero arm and very little power, but a pretty good player who is fun to have on your team. I didn't really want the Twins to trade him, but what they got back is outstanding as a Twins' fan, and what they need to do. Hopefully Morneau and Willingham are next.

 

[shadyridr]

He hit .278/.321/.328 for the second half last year.Maybe the machine you had in mind was the digestive system?

I remember a bunch of 4 for 5 games and a long hitting streak. Maybe I misremembered or it came earlier in the year. I didnt check the stats, just going off my poor memory.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Revere's a great fielder.

 

[Don Quixote]

He hit .278/.321/.328 for the second half last year.Maybe the machine you had in mind was the digestive system?

I remember a bunch of 4 for 5 games and a long hitting streak. Maybe I misremembered or it came earlier in the year. I didnt check the stats, just going off my poor memory.

I think he had a hot period in July. Had him on my fantasy team at that time, before dropping him.