*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (2 Viewers)

[Brady Marino]

So the Braves would have Upton, Bourn, and Heyward? Thats a heck of a defensive OF

Bourn is a FA. Upton replaces him in CF.Upton deal is 5 years 70-75 million according to the Tweeter.

That's not a bad deal from the Braves perspective given the current economics.

Not sure I would have traded in certainty (Bourn and speed) for the grab bag that is Upton.

 

[Eephus]

So the Braves would have Upton, Bourn, and Heyward? Thats a heck of a defensive OF

Bourn is a FA. Upton replaces him in CF.Upton deal is 5 years 70-75 million according to the Tweeter.

That's not a bad deal from the Braves perspective given the current economics.

Not sure I would have traded in certainty (Bourn and speed) for the grab bag that is Upton.

Bourn has one season with OPS+ over 100. He's at the age where his speed will start to decline. But his defensive stats are much better than Upton's.I'm curious to see whether Bourn's deal ends up being bigger than Upton's.

 

[Eephus]

So the Braves would have Upton, Bourn, and Heyward? Thats a heck of a defensive OF

Bourn is a FA. Upton replaces him in CF.Upton deal is 5 years 70-75 million according to the Tweeter.

BJ Upton ‏@BJUPTON2 - Nov 27I want to take a minute to remember Marvin Miller and thank him for all he has done for us players past present and future. #thankyoumarvin

 

[shadyridr]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

 

[Brady Marino]

So the Braves would have Upton, Bourn, and Heyward? Thats a heck of a defensive OF

Bourn is a FA. Upton replaces him in CF.Upton deal is 5 years 70-75 million according to the Tweeter.

That's not a bad deal from the Braves perspective given the current economics.

Not sure I would have traded in certainty (Bourn and speed) for the grab bag that is Upton.

Bourn has one season with OPS+ over 100. He's at the age where his speed will start to decline. But his defensive stats are much better than Upton's.I'm curious to see whether Bourn's deal ends up being bigger than Upton's.

Doubtful for the reasons you specified. But he'll still be able to live comfortably.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Bourn has one season with OPS+ over 100. He's at the age where his speed will start to decline. But his defensive stats are much better than Upton's.I'm curious to see whether Bourn's deal ends up being bigger than Upton's.

As a Phillies fan, I would have rather had Upton over Bourn, but OPS isn't something I'm concerned with if I were interested in Bourn. Declining speed is something I would worry about, but using a guy like Juan Pierre (age 34) as a comparison, I think Bourn could retain more than enough of his speed to where his overall game wouldn't be relatively affected.

 

[Eephus]

Bourn has one season with OPS+ over 100. He's at the age where his speed will start to decline. But his defensive stats are much better than Upton's.I'm curious to see whether Bourn's deal ends up being bigger than Upton's.

As a Phillies fan, I would have rather had Upton over Bourn, but OPS isn't something I'm concerned with if I were interested in Bourn. Declining speed is something I would worry about, but using a guy like Juan Pierre (age 34) as a comparison, I think Bourn could retain more than enough of his speed to where his overall game wouldn't be relatively affected.

I think the big offensive difference between Bourn and Pierre is their strikeout rate. Bourn strikes out around 20% of the time which is more than triple Pierre's career rate. Bourn's BABIP is good, as you'd expect from a guy with his speed. But when he loses a step and those infield hits become 6-3s, he doesn't have the cushion that someone like Pierre had. Bourn does walk more than Pierre which helps.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Honestly if money is no object, who would you rather have on your team for the next six years than Greinke? Verlander, Kershaw, Felix, Strasburg, Price ... anyone else? Hamels and Cain is basically his equals. Sale or Darvish have a higher upside but more risk.

1 Verlander2 Felix3 Kershaw4 Price5 Strasburg6 Hamels7 Cain8 Gio G9 Bumgarner10 Sale11 M Moore12 J Weaver13 J Zimmermann14 M Latos15 DarvishThere are probably more but that is a good start.

I'm a Nats fan and if money was not an issue I'd trade Gio for Greinke in a heartbeat. Zimmermann too.From that list the only one I'd say for sure that I didn't already mention was Weaver.

This guy disagreeshttp://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2Gio ranked 11th in his trade value column. Grienke not even in the top 50

Keri's column factors in salaries

true, i missed tobias saying "if money wasnt an issue"

I think FA's are left off this list entirely, as they don't yet have salaries.Whomever said they'd rather have Darvish than Greinke should immediately punch themself in the face.

 

[Daywalker]

B. Harper at #2 on Keri's list seems a bit high. Should have to post at least one great year in the bigs to reach that level.

Gun to my head on who makes the HOF I take Stanton over Harper and while it's a close decision it's an easy one.

 

[Premier]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

 

[TobiasFunke]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I'm 50/50. Like Bourn a little more than Upton for the next year or two because of the OBP and the outstanding defense and because, for the reasons I explained, I'm expecting a decent dropoff in Upton's power numbers with the move to the NL East. But Upton is two years younger, and it's two pretty important years. Big difference between a 28 year old FA and a 30 year old one.

 

[shadyridr]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

Hes been benched a few times for not running out groundballs and he also had a little suspension for an argument with an umpire. Still not sure thats grounds to call him a jerk

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Honestly if money is no object, who would you rather have on your team for the next six years than Greinke? Verlander, Kershaw, Felix, Strasburg, Price ... anyone else? Hamels and Cain is basically his equals. Sale or Darvish have a higher upside but more risk.

1 Verlander2 Felix3 Kershaw4 Price5 Strasburg6 Hamels7 Cain8 Gio G9 Bumgarner10 Sale11 M Moore12 J Weaver13 J Zimmermann14 M Latos15 DarvishThere are probably more but that is a good start.

I'm a Nats fan and if money was not an issue I'd trade Gio for Greinke in a heartbeat. Zimmermann too.From that list the only one I'd say for sure that I didn't already mention was Weaver.

This guy disagreeshttp://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2Gio ranked 11th in his trade value column. Grienke not even in the top 50

Keri's column factors in salaries

true, i missed tobias saying "if money wasnt an issue"

I think FA's are left off this list entirely, as they don't yet have salaries.Whomever said they'd rather have Darvish than Greinke should immediately punch themself in the face.

Please tell me, oh wise one, exactly how you know Greinke is the better pitcher for the next 6 years?

 

[Premier]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

His last game here, he got a huge standing ovation, people chanting his name and he started crying going back to the dugout. Guy was very well-liked.

 

[Eephus]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

His last game here, he got a huge standing ovation, people chanting his name and he started crying going back to the dugout. Guy was very well-liked.

30,000 people chanting BJ, BJ, BJ is good schtick

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

His last game here, he got a huge standing ovation, people chanting his name and he started crying going back to the dugout. Guy was very well-liked.

30,000 18,000 people chanting BJ, BJ, BJ is good schtick

Fixed.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Honestly if money is no object, who would you rather have on your team for the next six years than Greinke? Verlander, Kershaw, Felix, Strasburg, Price ... anyone else? Hamels and Cain is basically his equals. Sale or Darvish have a higher upside but more risk.

1 Verlander2 Felix3 Kershaw4 Price5 Strasburg6 Hamels7 Cain8 Gio G9 Bumgarner10 Sale11 M Moore12 J Weaver13 J Zimmermann14 M Latos15 DarvishThere are probably more but that is a good start.

I'm a Nats fan and if money was not an issue I'd trade Gio for Greinke in a heartbeat. Zimmermann too.From that list the only one I'd say for sure that I didn't already mention was Weaver.

This guy disagreeshttp://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2Gio ranked 11th in his trade value column. Grienke not even in the top 50

Keri's column factors in salaries

true, i missed tobias saying "if money wasnt an issue"

I think FA's are left off this list entirely, as they don't yet have salaries.Whomever said they'd rather have Darvish than Greinke should immediately punch themself in the face.

Please tell me, oh wise one, exactly how you know Greinke is the better pitcher for the next 6 years?

Because he's better at throwing a baseball.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Honestly if money is no object, who would you rather have on your team for the next six years than Greinke? Verlander, Kershaw, Felix, Strasburg, Price ... anyone else? Hamels and Cain is basically his equals. Sale or Darvish have a higher upside but more risk.

1 Verlander2 Felix3 Kershaw4 Price5 Strasburg6 Hamels7 Cain8 Gio G9 Bumgarner10 Sale11 M Moore12 J Weaver13 J Zimmermann14 M Latos15 DarvishThere are probably more but that is a good start.

I'm a Nats fan and if money was not an issue I'd trade Gio for Greinke in a heartbeat. Zimmermann too.From that list the only one I'd say for sure that I didn't already mention was Weaver.

This guy disagreeshttp://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2Gio ranked 11th in his trade value column. Grienke not even in the top 50

Keri's column factors in salaries

true, i missed tobias saying "if money wasnt an issue"

I think FA's are left off this list entirely, as they don't yet have salaries.Whomever said they'd rather have Darvish than Greinke should immediately punch themself in the face.

Please tell me, oh wise one, exactly how you know Greinke is the better pitcher for the next 6 years?

Because he's better at throwing a baseball.

For the next 6 years? You sure about that? Darvish has just 1 year in MLB under his belt and is only 26 years old. His 1 year was pretty successful too....that cannot be the easiest transition. I believe the best is yet to come with this kid.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

 

[Eephus]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Candyland is a kids' game. Professional baseball is a business.

 

[Don Quixote]

Nats just got Denard Span for minor leaguer Alex Meyer.

 

[Michael Brown]

Honestly if money is no object, who would you rather have on your team for the next six years than Greinke? Verlander, Kershaw, Felix, Strasburg, Price ... anyone else? Hamels and Cain is basically his equals. Sale or Darvish have a higher upside but more risk.

1 Verlander2 Felix3 Kershaw4 Price5 Strasburg6 Hamels7 Cain8 Gio G9 Bumgarner10 Sale11 M Moore12 J Weaver13 J Zimmermann14 M Latos15 DarvishThere are probably more but that is a good start.

I'm a Nats fan and if money was not an issue I'd trade Gio for Greinke in a heartbeat. Zimmermann too.From that list the only one I'd say for sure that I didn't already mention was Weaver.

This guy disagreeshttp://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8627624/rating-players-contracts-major-league-baseball-part-2Gio ranked 11th in his trade value column. Grienke not even in the top 50

Keri's column factors in salaries

true, i missed tobias saying "if money wasnt an issue"

I think FA's are left off this list entirely, as they don't yet have salaries.Whomever said they'd rather have Darvish than Greinke should immediately punch themself in the face.

Please tell me, oh wise one, exactly how you know Greinke is the better pitcher for the next 6 years?

Because he's better at throwing a baseball.

For the next 6 years? You sure about that? Darvish has just 1 year in MLB under his belt and is only 26 years old. His 1 year was pretty successful too....that cannot be the easiest transition. I believe the best is yet to come with this kid.

Maybe, and maybe this is unfair, but the majority of the Japanese pitchers had most of their success early on and then soon faltered over the next several seasons (Nomo, Irabu, Ishii, Dice-K, etc).

 

[Good Posting Judge]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Sandlot/pickup baseball is a kids' game. Little League is more or less a kids' game. Professional baseball is played by wealthy uber-athletes and run by billionaires. I like it, and I'm sure kids can appreciate it, but it's really "for" the parents who pay the cable bills, buy the tickets, and buy the ####ty cars they advertise between innings.And really, stop bothering them for autographs. It's their name written on a piece of paper. It's meaningless. I wish my dad had punched me in the head the (few) times I autograph-hawked. Sorry.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Sandlot/pickup baseball is a kids' game. Little League is more or less a kids' game. Professional baseball is played by wealthy uber-athletes and run by billionaires. I like it, and I'm sure kids can appreciate it, but it's really "for" the parents who pay the cable bills, buy the tickets, and buy the ####ty cars they advertise between innings.And really, stop bothering them for autographs. It's their name written on a piece of paper. It's meaningless. I wish my dad had punched me in the head the (few) times I autograph-hawked. Sorry.

Wow. Is this really how you feel?Bothering them for autographs? A 6 and 8 year old kid who loves baseball and thinks these players are the greatest thing ever is "bothering" them? Were the players not 6 years old themselves once? Yes these guys get paid millions of dollars but they're playing a kids game. They didn't get started playing with the idea of just making money.Is this board really that cynical?

 

[scrumptrulescent]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Candyland is a kids' game. Professional baseball is a business.

Depressing.

 

[Premier]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

His last game here, he got a huge standing ovation, people chanting his name and he started crying going back to the dugout. Guy was very well-liked.

30,000 18,000 people chanting BJ, BJ, BJ is good schtick

Fixed.

What is the crowd at the Eagles game Monday night?

 

[TobiasFunke]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Sandlot/pickup baseball is a kids' game. Little League is more or less a kids' game. Professional baseball is played by wealthy uber-athletes and run by billionaires. I like it, and I'm sure kids can appreciate it, but it's really "for" the parents who pay the cable bills, buy the tickets, and buy the ####ty cars they advertise between innings.And really, stop bothering them for autographs. It's their name written on a piece of paper. It's meaningless. I wish my dad had punched me in the head the (few) times I autograph-hawked. Sorry.

Wow. Is this really how you feel?Bothering them for autographs? A 6 and 8 year old kid who loves baseball and thinks these players are the greatest thing ever is "bothering" them? Were the players not 6 years old themselves once? Yes these guys get paid millions of dollars but they're playing a kids game. They didn't get started playing with the idea of just making money.Is this board really that cynical?

I don't feel that way at all. It's a business, but part of catering to customers is catering to kids/families and cultivating a positive public image of the players. So big picture I'm with you.But I also don't care one way or another if they don't sign pregame. Postgame, maybe. But pregame? I've got seats along 1B, in my experience (not seeking them, just watching what goes on) some guys do pregame autographs all the time- Ian Desmond seems like he's up for it every other game and I love him for it- but others don't, even guys that have always been class acts and community-oriented like Ryan Zimmerman. I don't hold it against the other guys who have a different pregame routine or mindset or whatever.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Sandlot/pickup baseball is a kids' game. Little League is more or less a kids' game. Professional baseball is played by wealthy uber-athletes and run by billionaires. I like it, and I'm sure kids can appreciate it, but it's really "for" the parents who pay the cable bills, buy the tickets, and buy the ####ty cars they advertise between innings.And really, stop bothering them for autographs. It's their name written on a piece of paper. It's meaningless. I wish my dad had punched me in the head the (few) times I autograph-hawked. Sorry.

Wow. Is this really how you feel?Bothering them for autographs? A 6 and 8 year old kid who loves baseball and thinks these players are the greatest thing ever is "bothering" them? Were the players not 6 years old themselves once? Yes these guys get paid millions of dollars but they're playing a kids game. They didn't get started playing with the idea of just making money.Is this board really that cynical?

I don't feel that way at all. It's a business, but part of catering to customers is catering to kids/families and cultivating a positive public image of the players. So big picture I'm with you.But I also don't care one way or another if they don't sign pregame. Postgame, maybe. But pregame? I've got seats along 1B, in my experience (not seeking them, just watching what goes on) some guys do pregame autographs all the time- Ian Desmond seems like he's up for it every other game and I love him for it- but others don't, even guys that have always been class acts and community-oriented like Ryan Zimmerman. I don't hold it against the other guys who have a different pregame routine or mindset or whatever.

It's absolutely a business but to take away from what it was built upon and calling it just a business of billionaires and millionairesseems cynical to me. I don't choose to go that route.Curtis Granderson. The guy just gets it. Signs for kids all the time. Total class act.Back to the guy I picked on...BJ. I've never witnessed him signing. He had his moments in TB, good and bad. I'm not sure why he received a standing O though.

 

[Snotbubbles]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

His last game here, he got a huge standing ovation, people chanting his name and he started crying going back to the dugout. Guy was very well-liked.

30,000 18,000 people chanting BJ, BJ, BJ is good schtick

Fixed.

What is the crowd at the Eagles game Monday night?

69,144

 

[Premier]

I'd much rather have upton than bourn

I would also but I think we are in the minority.

I think BJ Upton is a jerk but I'd rather have him than Bourn.

Jerk? He's been a model citizen here.

I'm talking fan friendliness. He may not have gotten into trouble, but I've not once witnessed him giving any kids autographs at a game. He completely ignores them calling to him during warm ups. Maybe I've just missed the games where he signs but we've been to many games and my son has autographs from a lot of other guys on the team, past and present ...including CC and Price. I realize it isn't in his job description to sign anything but don't really care. It's a kids game and guys who refuse to sign for kids rub me the wrong way.

His last game here, he got a huge standing ovation, people chanting his name and he started crying going back to the dugout. Guy was very well-liked.

30,000 18,000 people chanting BJ, BJ, BJ is good schtick

Fixed.

What is the crowd at the Eagles game Monday night?

69,144

yea sure

 

[Good Posting Judge]

It's a kids game

No it isn't.

It absolutely is. I feel sorry for you if you believe different.

Sandlot/pickup baseball is a kids' game. Little League is more or less a kids' game. Professional baseball is played by wealthy uber-athletes and run by billionaires. I like it, and I'm sure kids can appreciate it, but it's really "for" the parents who pay the cable bills, buy the tickets, and buy the ####ty cars they advertise between innings.And really, stop bothering them for autographs. It's their name written on a piece of paper. It's meaningless. I wish my dad had punched me in the head the (few) times I autograph-hawked. Sorry.

Wow. Is this really how you feel?Bothering them for autographs? A 6 and 8 year old kid who loves baseball and thinks these players are the greatest thing ever is "bothering" them? Were the players not 6 years old themselves once? Yes these guys get paid millions of dollars but they're playing a kids game. They didn't get started playing with the idea of just making money.Is this board really that cynical?

I don't feel that way at all. It's a business, but part of catering to customers is catering to kids/families and cultivating a positive public image of the players. So big picture I'm with you.But I also don't care one way or another if they don't sign pregame. Postgame, maybe. But pregame? I've got seats along 1B, in my experience (not seeking them, just watching what goes on) some guys do pregame autographs all the time- Ian Desmond seems like he's up for it every other game and I love him for it- but others don't, even guys that have always been class acts and community-oriented like Ryan Zimmerman. I don't hold it against the other guys who have a different pregame routine or mindset or whatever.

It's absolutely a business but to take away from what it was built upon and calling it just a business of billionaires and millionairesseems cynical to me. I don't choose to go that route.Curtis Granderson. The guy just gets it. Signs for kids all the time. Total class act.Back to the guy I picked on...BJ. I've never witnessed him signing. He had his moments in TB, good and bad. I'm not sure why he received a standing O though.

If calling something what it is is cynical, I guess I'm cynical. Baseball teams are owned by billionaires. They are for-profit enterprises, not Magical Dream Machines. Some teams have more money than others. Some teams' seasons are completely doomed before they even begin. Hard-working players with families on the wrong-side of 30 are released in favor of smug bonus-babies all the time.Whether a player signs because he's a nice guy, or because he's prodded by management to be more "fan friendly", I guess it doesn't matter in the end. But if I go to a baseball game, I don't go feeling entitled to anything more than to watch very good baseball players play baseball. That has more value then a guy who's going to scribble his name on a piece of paper and completely forget the person's face( five minutes later.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Pirates sign Russell Martin to a 2 year deal worth $17 million.

 

[shadyridr]

Pirates sign Russell Martin to a 2 year deal worth $17 million.

Yanks couldn't match that? Ugh

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Pirates sign Russell Martin to a 2 year deal worth $17 million.

Always liked him, at worst he's a terrific defensive catcher who handles a pitching staff well who has power. Pirates as an organization are getting a lot smarter.

 

[Northern Voice]

Pirates sign Russell Martin to a 2 year deal worth $17 million.

Yanks couldn't match that? Ugh

Who's left on the catcher market? Pierzynski? Is Napoli going to catch every day somewhere? The Jays fan in me hopes AA can fleece someone for Arencibia/Buck

 

[scoobus]

Pirates sign Russell Martin to a 2 year deal worth $17 million.

Yanks couldn't match that? Ugh

Who's left on the catcher market? Pierzynski? Is Napoli going to catch every day somewhere? The Jays fan in me hopes AA can fleece someone for Arencibia/Buck

Rod Barajas (37)Henry Blanco (41)

Mike Napoli (31)

Miguel Olivo (34)

Ronny Paulino (32)

A.J. Pierzynski (36)

Brian Schneider (36)

Kelly Shoppach (33)

Chris Snyder (32)

Yorvit Torrealba (34)

Matt Treanor (37)

Here's a good link: link

 

[Tremendous Upside]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Ydnks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Ydnks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

 

[Tremendous Upside]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Yanks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

Since 09 Martin's OPS+ has been 90, Barajas's has been 84...Martin is better and younger, but I was using Barajas as an example...8.5 million for sub 100 OPS + is too much IMOWould Miguel Olivo (89 OPS+ in that time frame) provide a better comp?

 

[shadyridr]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Yanks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

Since 09 Martin's OPS+ has been 90, Barajas's has been 84...Martin is better and younger, but I was using Barajas as an example...8.5 million for sub 100 OPS + is too much IMOWould Miguel Olivo (89 OPS+ in that time frame) provide a better comp?

I dunno. Catching is not all about offense. I liked Martin. 2yrs, $17mil sounds like a fair deal and Im kinda stunned the Yanks couldnt match

 

[Snotbubbles]

What is the crowd at the Eagles game Monday night?

69,144

yea sure

Profootballreference.com: 69,144ESPN.com: 69,144

Not sure what your point is?

 

[Michael Brown]

David Wright extended by Mets, early report is for 7 years, $122 mil

 

[scrumptrulescent]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Yanks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

Since 09 Martin's OPS+ has been 90, Barajas's has been 84...Martin is better and younger, but I was using Barajas as an example...8.5 million for sub 100 OPS + is too much IMOWould Miguel Olivo (89 OPS+ in that time frame) provide a better comp?

I dunno. Catching is not all about offense. I liked Martin. 2yrs, $17mil sounds like a fair deal and Im kinda stunned the Yanks couldnt match

Would Yankee fans like to reverse that trade with Seattle from last year? Is that pitcher going to be healthy this year? Montero was decent last year....probably would have been a better hitter in Yankee Stadium.

 

[shadyridr]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Yanks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

Since 09 Martin's OPS+ has been 90, Barajas's has been 84...Martin is better and younger, but I was using Barajas as an example...8.5 million for sub 100 OPS + is too much IMO

Would Miguel Olivo (89 OPS+ in that time frame) provide a better comp?

I dunno. Catching is not all about offense. I liked Martin. 2yrs, $17mil sounds like a fair deal and Im kinda stunned the Yanks couldnt match

Would Yankee fans like to reverse that trade with Seattle from last year? Is that pitcher going to be healthy this year? Montero was decent last year....probably would have been a better hitter in Yankee Stadium.

Obviously after that fact. But I was all for that trade when it happened

 

[scrumptrulescent]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Yanks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

Since 09 Martin's OPS+ has been 90, Barajas's has been 84...Martin is better and younger, but I was using Barajas as an example...8.5 million for sub 100 OPS + is too much IMO

Would Miguel Olivo (89 OPS+ in that time frame) provide a better comp?

I dunno. Catching is not all about offense. I liked Martin. 2yrs, $17mil sounds like a fair deal and Im kinda stunned the Yanks couldnt match

Would Yankee fans like to reverse that trade with Seattle from last year? Is that pitcher going to be healthy this year? Montero was decent last year....probably would have been a better hitter in Yankee Stadium.

Obviously after that fact. But I was all for that trade when it happened

I read NY has no interest in Pierzyn####head, none in Napoli, and they didn't go hard after Martin. What gives? Who else is there?Pineda could still be an ace down the road, it just figures that now one of NY's bigger needs is a catcher after making that trade last year. Is Pineda going to be healthy this coming year?

 

[shadyridr]

8.5 million for a .211 hitter is a pass I am glad the Yanks made. Barajas, for example, provides a respectable facsimile for a fraction of the price.

Barajas was worse than Russell Martin in every single aspect in 2012, he makes a piss poor facsimile imo.

Since 09 Martin's OPS+ has been 90, Barajas's has been 84...Martin is better and younger, but I was using Barajas as an example...8.5 million for sub 100 OPS + is too much IMO

Would Miguel Olivo (89 OPS+ in that time frame) provide a better comp?

I dunno. Catching is not all about offense. I liked Martin. 2yrs, $17mil sounds like a fair deal and Im kinda stunned the Yanks couldnt match

Would Yankee fans like to reverse that trade with Seattle from last year? Is that pitcher going to be healthy this year? Montero was decent last year....probably would have been a better hitter in Yankee Stadium.

Obviously after that fact. But I was all for that trade when it happened

I read NY has no interest in Pierzyn####head, none in Napoli, and they didn't go hard after Martin. What gives? Who else is there?Pineda could still be an ace down the road, it just figures that now one of NY's bigger needs is a catcher after making that trade last year. Is Pineda going to be healthy this coming year?

Cervelli and Austin Romine! Pineda wont be ready until at least the AS Break. He is apparently not a hard worker either