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*** Official 2012-13 Hot Stove Thread (2 Viewers)
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Eephus
Footballguy
Montero as an every day catcher would be an adventure.Gary Sanchez' 20th birthday is this weekend. He's still a couple of years away though.
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Never thought I'd hear that coming from the Yankee Organization.
Northern Voice
Footballguy
They have spent $37 million on three ancient pitchers already this offseason.Never thought I'd hear that coming from the Yankee Organization.
Funkley
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I like it. Span has become inferior to Revere in CF and no team needs quality young arms more than the Twins. Add in the fact that he has a legit arm and maybe, finally the Twins have seen the light and wont be so strikeout averse when scouting arms. I'm hoping they sign McCarthy next week. Could have a nice year in Target Field.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
All on 1-year deals...they're serious about this $189 budget for next year. Eventually the rest of the fans are going to realize this is a real thing.Anyway, my money is on Miguel Olivo as the next Yankee catcherThey have spent $37 million on three ancient pitchers already this offseason.Never thought I'd hear that coming from the Yankee Organization.
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
Braves swap Tommy Hanson for Jordan Walden.
I guess the 64K question here is "How f'ed up is Tommy Hanson's shoulder?"
I guess the 64K question here is "How f'ed up is Tommy Hanson's shoulder?"
scrumptrulescent
Footballguy
Hanson was going to be a star.Makes Medlen an even stronger keeper for me. 
Eephus
Footballguy
The Braves organization has a pretty good track record for knowing which of their young pitchers are keepers
scoobus
Footballguy
Wow
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
His velocity has been declining. And the Angels front office seems a bit rube-y. It's a ballsy move for sure, but I wonder if they could've gotten more/
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
You can read into this two ways:1. The Braves feel Hanson's shoulder is shot.OR 2. The Braves did this as more of a salary dump.
Brady Marino
Footballguy
I say a bit of both. Concerns over shoulder and freeing salary for Greinke? They're apparently going to tell Jair Jurrjens to take a hike, too.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Yanks should trade for Mauer.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Big fan of both this trade and a McCarthy signing.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Unless they're gonna up their payroll, I'd be surprised if they're players for Greinke. They have some major decisions looming on the horizon with McCann (FA after this year) and with Kimbrel, Hayward, Freeman et al, there will be some escalating salaries in arbitration for them. Dropping 18-20M per on Greinke doesn't seem like their style.
Funkley
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Hey Bogey. Hope all is well.Funkley
Hanson must have some pretty severe structural damage. No way do you trade a 26 year old stud starter go three ####### years before he's eligible for free agency
In return they get a decent reliever, but they already have Kimbrell, Venters, among others who are strong relievers. Trade makes no sense for the Braves, imho, withou a huge injury concern.
In return they get a decent reliever, but they already have Kimbrell, Venters, among others who are strong relievers. Trade makes no sense for the Braves, imho, withou a huge injury concern.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Eephus
Footballguy
The Angels have doctors who will examine Hanson and coaches who can work on his mechanics. Every pitcher eventually has to deal with the challenge of losing velocity. It happens even when it's not directly injury related. Some learn to be successful after losing their mid-90s heater. The Braves evidently didn't think Hanson could and they have enough SP depth to let him go. Anaheim needed SP regardless of whether they can resign Greinke. Walden slots in as a RHP setup guy. There are locals who think he wasn't mentally suited for the closer's role. I don't know about that but I don't watch the Angels every day. If Walden gets back to 2011 form, the Atlanta bullpen will be stacked.
Michael Brown
Footballguy
Most pitchers don't have to deal with losing velo at 26 though. Couple yeara ago Hanson was supposed to be the next big thing and now he's dealt for a reliever albeit one with high upside.
Don't think he wa saying Hanson can't come back to form, just that it seems obvious that the Braves don't believe he can
Don't think he wa saying Hanson can't come back to form, just that it seems obvious that the Braves don't believe he can
Good Posting Judge
Footballguy
His wife is real pretty.
Well, sure the Angels have doctors and coaches - but so do the Braves, no?And I'm not sure about this starting depth the Braves have where they can afford to let a healthy Hanson go. You have Hudson who will be 38 next year, Medlen, who has never pitched 140 innings in a season, Paul Maholm, a Pirates castoff, journeyman type imo, Jurrgens who was injured/miserable last year, Beachy coming off TJ surgery will be back maybe the middle of next year...and then a whole lot of nothing proven at the major league level.Prior to getting Walden, the Braves relievers were stacked. Yeah, I guess there was a bit of a hole when MEdlen moved to SP, but they had the best closer in the league, Venters, O'Flaherty, Moylan, and a whole slew of other arms they could have thrown out there.SP are about wayyyyyyy (like at least 10 > signs) more valuable than middle relievers/setup men.26 year old sp's that have a lifetime era+ of 110 and average just shy a k/ip and are still three years away from free agency are about 20 > signs more valuable than middle relievers/setup men....unless they are totally Mark Prior like done.What I'd like to know is who approached who here with this trade and how the negotiations went.Did LAA really approach ATL asking for Hanson?Or, more than likely, ATL had told everyone that Hanson may be available for the right package, and LAA took a shot and said, well, we'll give you Walden for him...and ATL said "SOLD" in about a minute because they knew he's done.I dunno, but to me it seems like someone sold someone else a lame horse here.
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Eephus
Footballguy
The Braves non-tendered Moylan and Jurrjens yesterday so the plot thickens.There are other reasons for trading a young pitcher other than injury. An existing injury is one of the least likely scenarios because it would turn up in the physical and void the trade. Maybe there's something in Hanson's mechanics that the Braves feel he's pre-disposed to future injury. Maybe he's been resistant to the Braves coaches' recommendations or they don't believe he has the mental makeup for big league success. We'll see in the years to come but the Braves' track record for assessing pitching talent is pretty good.Walden was expendable in part because the Angels are the front-runners to sign Japanese right handed reliever Kyuji Fujikawa.'guru_007 said:
East Coast Bias
Footballguy
Cubs sign Japanese releiver Kyuji Fukikawa to a 2 year deal for $9.2 million.
Eephus
Footballguy
2013 fantasy sleeper
boubucarow
Footballguy
I'd be surprised if he isn't the closer.2013 fantasy sleeper
They let Wainwright go in the J.D. Drew deal. They are right most of the time, but I think they misjudged on Waino.
Captain Obvious?
the moops
Footballguy
Why do teams keep giving him a chance? He just isn't that good.
RnR
Footballguy
.294/.351/.441 career line against RHP. Knowing the Rays, they'll do a nice job of making sure that's all he sees. If he isn't hanging around those numbers a few months in, they'll probably cut bait on their small short-term investment. Every move these guys make is super calculated.
Premier
Footballguy
Most importantly he has a slick glove. The Rays always squeeze everything out of these guys. Who the hell am I to argue with them. You thought Rodney would be awesome last year I guess?A 792 OPS out of your 1B is not good. That OPS would place him 15th in the AL for 1B against RH pitchers in 2012. As a comparison, Carlos Pena has a 247/367/497 career line vs RHP.
The Flying Elvis
Footballguy
3 years $39 million for Napoli... Might be a slight overpay but I think he will be a good fit for the Red Sox, also atleast they didn't tack on a forth year.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Slight???
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Everyone knows what the Loneyline is. It is the point of the fantasy baseball draft where you know all the good players are gone, and you are picking through scraps.
Eephus
Footballguy
Napoli should be good for 2 1/2 WAR, especially if he plays every day.Slight???
the moops
Footballguy
Slight???
What do you think is an appropriate number? 11 million a year?If he plays somewhere between his 2011 and 2012 seasons it is a good deal.I wonder how many games he will catch
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Good signing by Boston. Guy can mash the ball. I'd like to question why Tampa signed Loney but they seem to know what they're doing so
A few other tidbits:
Mets unsure if they're going to trade Dickey or extend his contract. Currently shopping him but underwhelmed by offers thus far.
Justin Upton is expected to be traded.
Arod will likely be out until June or so thanks to another hip surgery.
Dodgers shopping Dee Gordon.
A few other tidbits:
Mets unsure if they're going to trade Dickey or extend his contract. Currently shopping him but underwhelmed by offers thus far.
Justin Upton is expected to be traded.
Arod will likely be out until June or so thanks to another hip surgery.
Dodgers shopping Dee Gordon.
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
It's the years. And he's not playing in the humidifier anymore, you have no idea what his numbers are going to be. $13mm is way too much per year and three years is at least one year too many IMO.Slight???
Brady Marino
Footballguy
One of the MLB beat guys joked that he probably doesn't make enough money for the Dodgers' tastes.
Eephus
Footballguy
Napoli's bat is as good a fit for Fenway as Arlington. He has raked historically there.These are the new economics of baseball. You can hate it but you have to accept it. Besides, they're the Red Sox. They have the money.It's the years. And he's not playing in the humidifier anymore, you have no idea what his numbers are going to be. $13mm is way too much per year and three years is at least one year too many IMO.Slight???
