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*** Official 2012 and onward Players Championship *** (1 Viewer)

JaxBill

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Should be perfect conditions for low scores this year. Course conditions have been lauded despite the warm very dry Winter and Spring we've had. Some light rain the last 2 days might soften the greens a little today. Weather is expected to be very nice - highs around 80, slight chance of rain Sat night and Sun night.

Live at 17

Featured Pairings

Thurs morning 10th tee
8:29 am Simpson, Webb Bradley, Keegan Kuchar, Matt
8:39 am Fowler, Rickie Mahan, Hunter Woods, Tiger

Thurs afternoon 1st Tee
1:28 pm Rose, Justin Kaymer, Martin Scott, Adam
1:39 pm Donald, Luke Haas, Bill Westwood, Lee
1:49 pm McIlroy, Rory Mickelson, Phil Stricker, Steve

 
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Live at 17 is showing both 17 and 13. Players are really taking aim at 13. Several players have landed inside 10 feet.

Somebody (Stenson?) just hit to within 2 feet.

ETA - O'Hair not Stenson

3 players with tee shots within 6 feet already

 
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Live at 17 is showing both 17 and 13. Players are really taking aim at 13. Several players have landed inside 10 feet.Somebody (Stenson?) just hit to within 2 feet.ETA - O'Hair not Stenson3 players with tee shots within 6 feet already
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Yea...that's the small part of the green on 13, but an easy shot for these guys. The miss is pull left to the lower shelf.
 
'gump said:
Live at 17 is showing both 17 and 13. Players are really taking aim at 13. Several players have landed inside 10 feet.Somebody (Stenson?) just hit to within 2 feet.ETA - O'Hair not Stenson3 players with tee shots within 6 feet already
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Yea...that's the small part of the green on 13, but an easy shot for these guys. The miss is pull left to the lower shelf.
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But I think that's a big plus for the early guys. They're bringing it in high and it's sticking. If the greens harden up as the day goes on, more guys might knock it over the back.
 
'Apple Jack said:
Literally, the worst golf hole on the PGA Tour.
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13? I've played 13 twice...hit a slight draw 9 to a front left pin, and a flat 7 to a back right....I play a draw but you can't hit one to the back right, so it forced to me be a little creative. It went from an easy shot to a tough one.
 
'gump said:
'Apple Jack said:
Literally, the worst golf hole on the PGA Tour.
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13? I've played 13 twice...hit a slight draw 9 to a front left pin, and a flat 7 to a back right....I play a draw but you can't hit one to the back right, so it forced to me be a little creative. It went from an easy shot to a tough one.
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17. 13 is fine and I nearly had my first hole in one ever there the first time I played it, hitting 8 to the front left location you're talking about which allows the ball to funnel down to the hole. The ball hit the flagstick and bounced out, and I made the putt.
 
Wow...don't expect Kuch to choke like that.

AJ - I know it's too short today, but what makes you hate 17?

 
'gump said:
Wow...don't expect Kuch to choke like that.AJ - I know it's too short today, but what makes you hate 17?
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Every par 3 needs to have a bailout area. It is also in a place so late in the round that a random puff of wind on an otherwise great golf shot can ruin somebody's tournament, not leaving them time to recover. I likeplaying the course, but it's a horrible tournament course. Embarrassingly bad for the tours flagship event. They should replace the tree in the pond at 17 with a windmill.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'gump said:
Wow...don't expect Kuch to choke like that.

AJ - I know it's too short today, but what makes you hate 17?
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Every par 3 needs to have a bailout area. It is also in a place so late in the round that a random puff of wind on an otherwise great golf shot can ruin somebody's tournament, not leaving them time to recover. I likeplaying the course, but it's a horrible tournament course. Embarrassingly bad for the tours flagship event. They should replace the tree in the pond at 17 with a windmill.
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Wow...so a player might have a difficult shot late in the match and all this for a PGA Tour event. Those bastards!

 
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I'm kinda with AJ on this one. Granted its a short hole and a generous green, but I think the water overshadows virtually the whole tourney. Same with 17 (I think) at TPC scottsdale with the huge grandstands. Both those holes are great for spectators but they are so unique that they have too large of an impact in the tourney.

 
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Again...a tough hole for a PGA tour event.

What do you two want? Just make it LPGA conditions?

 
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'Jules Winnfield said:
Again...a tough hole for a PGA tour event.What do you two want? Just make it LPGA conditions?
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It's not that it's tough. 150 yard shot off a tee is not tough for these guys. It's unfair, which would be lame anywhere, but on the 71st hole of an event is just stupid. Jack hates it. Tiger hates it. Phil hates it. Most of the players hate it. It's a bad hole. Period. In fact, the course has way too many random bounces in the fairways and stupid mounding and railroad ties and so forth for an event of this kind of stature. If this wasn't the PGA Tour's biggest event, a lot of these guys wouldn't even play it. Pete Dye is not a great architect, he just happened to be friends with the commissioner when the time came to build the course at the tour HQ. And his freaking WIFE is responsible for the island green. That wasn't even part of his design. They ended up having to take dirt from that area to build up other areas of the course and he didn't know how to fill it back in so his wife suggested to just fill it all in with water. Every great par 3 in the world has a bailout spot.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'Jules Winnfield said:
Again...a tough hole for a PGA tour event.What do you two want? Just make it LPGA conditions?
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It's not that it's tough. 150 yard shot off a tee is not tough for these guys. It's unfair, which would be lame anywhere, but on the 71st hole of an event is just stupid. Jack hates it. Tiger hates it. Phil hates it. Most of the players hate it. It's a bad hole. Period. In fact, the course has way too many random bounces in the fairways and stupid mounding and railroad ties and so forth for an event of this kind of stature. If this wasn't the PGA Tour's biggest event, a lot of these guys wouldn't even play it. Pete Dye is not a great architect, he just happened to be friends with the commissioner when the time came to build the course at the tour HQ. And his freaking WIFE is responsible for the island green. That wasn't even part of his design. They ended up having to take dirt from that area to build up other areas of the course and he didn't know how to fill it back in so his wife suggested to just fill it all in with water. Every great par 3 in the world has a bailout spot.
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Take it easy there, AJ. You may not like Pete's work but he is a hall of fame golf course architect with a pretty impressive resume of courses with his name on them. Phil said this week that the the hole is fair and that the size of the green is proportional to the shot. 7 at Pebble, 12 at Augusta are two great par 3's that quickly come to mind with no bail out area.
 
Seven at PB and 12 at Augusta both have bailouts. Each has a number, actually. Twelve at Augusta, you can miss short, left, long and right. There's a giant backstop between the green and Augusta Country Club. Sure, there's a chance if you go left or long that your ball will hang up in a bush, but there's a good chance that it'll be playable, too. But THE bailout there with most hole locations is generally the front bunker. Seven at PB has short and some room long (think Tom Kite). There's even room right and left. But THE bailout there is short. Bringing those two holes, two of the best par 3s in the world, up in a conversation about 17 is blasphemous.

And Phil Mickleson say something phony? Never. It's the PGA Tour's biggest event...it's their job to sell it.

 
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Again...a tough hole for a PGA tour event.What do you two want? Just make it LPGA conditions?
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It's not that it's tough. 150 yard shot off a tee is not tough for these guys. It's unfair, which would be lame anywhere, but on the 71st hole of an event is just stupid. Jack hates it. Tiger hates it. Phil hates it. Most of the players hate it. It's a bad hole. Period. In fact, the course has way too many random bounces in the fairways and stupid mounding and railroad ties and so forth for an event of this kind of stature. If this wasn't the PGA Tour's biggest event, a lot of these guys wouldn't even play it. Pete Dye is not a great architect, he just happened to be friends with the commissioner when the time came to build the course at the tour HQ. And his freaking WIFE is responsible for the island green. That wasn't even part of his design. They ended up having to take dirt from that area to build up other areas of the course and he didn't know how to fill it back in so his wife suggested to just fill it all in with water. Every great par 3 in the world has a bailout spot.
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Didnt Beamon have the stadium vision? I belong to a Dye-designed course, and I've played several in Florida...they are nothing like Sawgrass.
 
'gump said:
Again...a tough hole for a PGA tour event.What do you two want? Just make it LPGA conditions?
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It's not that it's tough. 150 yard shot off a tee is not tough for these guys. It's unfair, which would be lame anywhere, but on the 71st hole of an event is just stupid. Jack hates it. Tiger hates it. Phil hates it. Most of the players hate it. It's a bad hole. Period. In fact, the course has way too many random bounces in the fairways and stupid mounding and railroad ties and so forth for an event of this kind of stature. If this wasn't the PGA Tour's biggest event, a lot of these guys wouldn't even play it. Pete Dye is not a great architect, he just happened to be friends with the commissioner when the time came to build the course at the tour HQ. And his freaking WIFE is responsible for the island green. That wasn't even part of his design. They ended up having to take dirt from that area to build up other areas of the course and he didn't know how to fill it back in so his wife suggested to just fill it all in with water. Every great par 3 in the world has a bailout spot.
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Didnt Beamon have the stadium vision? I belong to a Dye-designed course, and I've played several in Florida...they are nothing like Sawgrass.
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Sawgrass is extreme. I've played probably 10 or 12 of his courses, and many of them are largely target golf setups, with the man-made mounds, rolls in fairways, elevated greens, and the railroad tie thing where some greens immediately fall off into water. He doesn't have these things dominate all his designs, but they're his trademark features. And I didn't say he was a bad designer. I actually like a few of his designs, but I think it's probably more his routing than what he does with it. Kingsmill River is one of my favorite pieces of property and routings that I've seen anywhere.Beman's plan was to have a chain of TPC courses, all designed with the spectators in mind. Almost all of these courses are terrible relative to the rest of those on tour. It was a silly idea and one born of a time when they needed to boost ratings and get more people out to events. The only reason that 17th hole made the cut was they were desperate for ratings.
 
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'sho nuff said:
'FavreCo said:
'gump said:
TigerEldrick...Fowler...and Mahan on 17. :popcorn:
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There is no Tiger Woods anymore. Dude is lower level PGA ham and egger. Lurking near the bottom of the scoreboard. 6 shots off the pace set by some other bum named D.J Trahan.
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You think if you say ham and egger enough it will start to stick huh?We get it...you don't think much of Tiger Woods.
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Oh it's stuck and it's Eldrick. Tiger Woods is long gone, sorry you Woods bandwagoneer.Oh yeah, I am enjoying this epic collapse of his game.

 
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'FavreCo said:
'sho nuff said:
'FavreCo said:
'gump said:
TigerEldrick...Fowler...and Mahan on 17. :popcorn:
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There is no Tiger Woods anymore. Dude is lower level PGA ham and egger. Lurking near the bottom of the scoreboard. 6 shots off the pace set by some other bum named D.J Trahan.
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You think if you say ham and egger enough it will start to stick huh?We get it...you don't think much of Tiger Woods.
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Oh it's stuck and it's Eldrick. Tiger Woods is long gone, sorry you Woods bandwagoneer.Oh yeah, I am enjoying this epic collapse of his game.
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That'll show him.
 
'Apple Jack said:
Sawgrass is extreme. I've played probably 10 or 12 of his courses, and many of them are largely target golf setups, with the man-made mounds, rolls in fairways, elevated greens, and the railroad tie thing where some greens immediately fall off into water. He doesn't have these things dominate all his designs, but they're his trademark features. And I didn't say he was a bad designer. I actually like a few of his designs, but I think it's probably more his routing than what he does with it. Kingsmill River is one of my favorite pieces of property and routings that I've seen anywhere.
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Next time your in the Tampa area, I'll get you on Southern Hills (Brooksville)....a course Dye designed in '06 I believe. Fun, challenging golf course...in fantastic shape (even in the summer in FL). We have the open qualifier there soon....last year, had it, Q school, and the Transitions qualifier this spring.
 
They're really shooting some low rounds early. The wind must be down. We had a lot of rain thru last Saturday but it's been clear and hot since then.

They had trouble with some of the greens last month with (relative) cold weather and chemical applications so I'm not sure how browned out they want to let the greens get.

 
Henley in with a 65

7 @ (-5) including Westwood, Garcia and Zah

another 3 @ (-4) including Spieth

10 @ (-3) including Dufner and Rory *(just made bogey)

crowded

 
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