GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Awesome. $150M and the defense still sucks. No pass rush and Pierre freaking Garcon makes 3 big catches including a TD.
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***OFFICIAL 2012 Buffalo Bills Thread*** (2 Viewers)
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And so much for Fitzpatrick and his supposed improved accuracy. Well, half a quarter into the preseason and I'm already heavily dialing back expectations.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
Worst team ever assembled
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I loathe myself for being a fan of this team.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
14 passes and 0 runs for the first team offense. Multiple penalties, zero 3rd down conversions and just 6 completions. Pathetic.
Bluefire
Footballguy
Step... back... from... the... cliff.
The Bills were working on a lot of stuff that plagued them last year. Lots of middle to deep passing. Mixed success, which isn't surprising given that they were 100% terrible at it last year.
On D, I wouldn't be surprised to see McKelvin cut, and McKillop was terrible. D was fine until they started subbing in backups.
The Bills were working on a lot of stuff that plagued them last year. Lots of middle to deep passing. Mixed success, which isn't surprising given that they were 100% terrible at it last year.
On D, I wouldn't be surprised to see McKelvin cut, and McKillop was terrible. D was fine until they started subbing in backups.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Pretty sure what we saw tonight was not indicative of what the offense will look like week 1.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
The problem is that there still wasn't a pass rush and Fitz's accuracy was still an issue.
Moorman looks awesome though. Hope his leg doesn't fall off this season.
Moorman looks awesome though. Hope his leg doesn't fall off this season.
Preseason is meaningless, but especially game 1 with scab refs.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
TJ Graham is going to be starting sooner rather than later. Book it.
And Scott Chandler will be a top 10 TE.
And Scott Chandler will be a top 10 TE.
Todd Andrews
Footballguy
Chandler could be real solid this year. Guy is looking beastly.
Bluefire
Footballguy
Yeah, they both look good. I'll be more interested in D-line pressure in a couple games, when/if they start running stunts across the field. All of d-linemen are mobile enough that I think Wanny is going to rely on them a lot.Offense was really out of sync. If they still look like that in game 3, I'll be concerned.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Looks like everyone is wearing those old-school neck rolls. 
http://dlbpdvucg3lig.cloudfront.net/2012/08/10/f/hf0d80acb615f59a588de3eecd907bc46.jpg
Gonna take me half the season to get used to how badly Nike destroyed every uniform.
http://dlbpdvucg3lig.cloudfront.net/2012/08/10/f/hf0d80acb615f59a588de3eecd907bc46.jpg
Gonna take me half the season to get used to how badly Nike destroyed every uniform.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Bills offense looks abysmal.
Yenrub
Footballguy
What's going on with the defense? Looks like 2 games in a row the 1st team defense has given up an early TD, one to RG3 and now to Ponder
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I was out of town last Thursday and missed all of the game, so I can't speak to that one. I don't know what the deal is, but the Vikings marched right down the field on their second drive and the Bills finally got a stop inside the 10 to force a FG. Ponder doesn't look too bad, and he's killing the Bills with the playaction fakes, lots of overpursuit from the overzealous defense.Nice drive right there though, Donald Jones with some nice quickness after the catch and takes an 8-yard slant for a 30-yard TD.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Bills sucked last year in covering runs after catches and suck at it so far this year too. Hopefully Gilmore ramps it up quickly and something changes. Doesn't seem like the run defense's numbers are too impressive either. Hopefully it's due to some vanilla playcalling or some other reason. I don't know if I can stand to watch another season of teams marching down the field at will, especially with so much money and draft picks used on defense this offseason.
At least they picked up the 2 sacks.
Also, since I can't watch the game, I'd be interested to know what the first 3 penalty called against the Bills were. Several of the Buffalo media guys I follow tweeted that all 3 of them were bad calls. After seeing two laughably bad call/no-calls in the first game, I'm curious if their analysis is true.
At least they picked up the 2 sacks.
Also, since I can't watch the game, I'd be interested to know what the first 3 penalty called against the Bills were. Several of the Buffalo media guys I follow tweeted that all 3 of them were bad calls. After seeing two laughably bad call/no-calls in the first game, I'm curious if their analysis is true.
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The penalty on Aaron Williams was terrible
Shawne Merriman released.
Not surprised by this. They are better off keeping a young player there I think. What a waste this guy was.
Not surprised by this. They are better off keeping a young player there I think. What a waste this guy was.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
It was a gamble. We all knew that. The gamble had high upside that obviously didn't pan out.I am a little surprised though. Gailey always seemed to be positive about him this offseason. Kept saying how good he looked. They only save $1M by cutting him now. He wasn't a great fit for the 4-3 though. Doesn't make sense to me that they paid him the roster bonus and cut him now though versus cutting him before the roster bonus was due.
OC Zed
Footballguy
I hate to pile on to the Thigpen hate, but wow, it looks like he's got a camel-toe there.Looks like everyone is wearing those old-school neck rolls.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Apparently the Bills (1) named Cordy Glenn the starter at LT, and (2) said VY will take all 2nd-team snaps this weekend, but has not officially locked down the #2 job.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Buffalo got WORKED tonight in the most "important" preseason game. Any concern?
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Actually, I just saw the game highlights two minutes after I posted.
It looks like your 1's hung with their 1's pretty well, but it got out of hand when Vince gave the game away.
It looks like your 1's hung with their 1's pretty well, but it got out of hand when Vince gave the game away.
buffalo's defense looked impressive in the first quarter and quality special teams kept the steelers pinned back. not sure what happened on the two-minute defense when the steelers drove 98 yards in about 110 seconds. that was the beginning of the end. but i agree that the first stringers acquitted themselves pretty well. to me, the least impressive group were the bills wideouts who won't scare too many defenses if they keep dropping passes at the rate they did tonight.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
Whaa...?!?!?!
Bills get Tarvaris Jackson from Seattle.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000055085/article/tarvaris-jackson-to-be-traded-to-buffalo-bills?module=HP11_breaking_news
Bills get Tarvaris Jackson from Seattle.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000055085/article/tarvaris-jackson-to-be-traded-to-buffalo-bills?module=HP11_breaking_news
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
'Grigs Allmoon said:
VY was pretty bad last night. Gotta think the coaches have seen something and think Jackson would be an upgrade. Admittedly I can't recall if I saw any Seahawks games last year....I'll defer to team management on this one..
derek245583
Footballguy
Thats why we went out and grabbed Tarvaris!!
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
Are people still pretty high on Graham. I haven't heard much lately.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Well Vince, it was a run.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I think GroveDiesel is the only one in here who is exceptionally high on Graham in the short-term. I think that Graham's ultimate upside for the 2012 season would be the Bills #3 WR target. Johnson and Nelson seem pretty firmly entrenched as Fitz's two favorite WR targets; I don't see that changing soon, barring injury. I don't think Donald Jones is unseatable, but he's had a pretty good camp from all reports, and the coaching staff really likes him. Graham's best chance to get on the field would probably be to unseat Derek Hagan, who's really only been seeing time in 4 WR sets.I honestly think Graham will have a very inconsistent season (like most rookie WRs). Might catch a handful of deep balls - and I hope he does - but I think his 2012 best case scenario would be like 50 catches - but far more likely that he'd end up in the 20-30 catch, maybe 300-450 yard range? Just throwing out some rough numbers here, not sure what other people think.Obviously he has a lot more value in dynasty leagues.
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GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yup, Vince was cut today. Probably time to call it a career when you can't make it as a Buffalo Bills backup QB.
only 2 proplems with Graham1. Fitz is horribly inaccurate more than 10 yards downfield2. partly because the OL is pretty putrid with recovering Wood at C and rookie at LTGraham may be good - but Fitz won't be getting him the ball with any consistency.things could change when Jackson takes over for Fitz
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I still don't understand Brad Smith on this team. He has added virtually nothing and is WAY overpaid. It's absurd IMO. He's maybe good for a first down a game on short yardage on a QB sneak, but that's about it. He's a joke.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
And man I can't wait until Thigpen is cut. Ugh, brutal. Trading for Jackson was the right move.
flysack
Footballguy
Yea, and Jackson sucks too. That's how bad VY and Thigpen are. Jackson is actually an upgrade over both.
Bills_Fan11
Footballguy
When was the last time low expectations and a lack of hype from the national media worked out well for us - 1998?I am getting really amped up for the season, but I have to say, I'm pretty worried about all of the hype that the team is getting from the national media. I can't help but be worried about a letdown.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Teams that have gone 0-4 in the preseason have only made the playoffs 13% of the time.
Bills released Dwan Edwards today. Saves them $4 million so I can understand it but they are losing some of the great depth they kept talking up this offseason.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Yeah, I kind of agree. The problem is that he became the 4th DT and it looks like they're keeping a guy or two that can play both DT and DE. And those guys may contribute on special teams more too.What really shocks me is that it sounds like they're only keeping 5 WRs (that includes Brad Smith!) With the spread offense they run, that really surprises me. It almost has to mean that Spiller will be split out wide quite a bit. Maybe they'll be splitting Dickerson out some too? I just really hate that Brad Smith takes up a roster spot. He's not really good enough to be the #3 QB and there were better WRs than him cut. At some point versatility means nothing if you can't be a playmaker. Whatever, I hope he proves me wrong.'Aaron Rudnicki said:
keeping Thigpen and B.Smith doesn't make much sense to me.
he's eligible for the practice squad so he could stick around still.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Smith was injured last night (groin I think). So if he can't go Week 1, Jackson would be the only QB behind Fitz and he obviously doesn't know the playbook well enough. Smith's injury probably earned Thigpen a roster spot for now and his $2.5M guaranteed.Frankly, I would have cut Smith, but Gailey loves those versatile guys that don't actually bring anything to the table apparently. It makes only keeping 5 WRs even more baffling though. If Smith really is too injured to go Week 1, then that means they'll only have 4 healthy WRs active. Crazy.
I assume Spiller and Dickerson can fill in as slot receivers if necessary.Would be nice if they can get Easley on the practice squad at least.I just figured if there was a guy to not give a guaranteed contract to it was Thigpen (or Brad Smith).
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I was coming here to post the same thing. I was really surprised to not see them keep at least 1 more. This should mean more receptions for Spiller and Jackson. I suppose if the plan is to have both of those guys on the field at the same time a bit more often, I like it.
