***OFFICIAL*** 2013 MINNESOTA VIKINGS SEASON THREAD (1 Viewer)

[cstu]

I have been a Vikings fan my whole life. But the problem is that we have never had a true franchise QB since Tarkington retired. Yes, we had Warren Moon in his waning years. Culpepper was not that good. And Ponder? Are people really imagining that Ponder could be anything in this league other than a backup?

Next season? We have no chance to get a franchise QB in the draft and there are none available in free agency. So, this thread is pointless. We will be 6-8 or 8-8 or 10-6 and one and out if we are lucky and have an easy schedule. Meh.

David Carr is chopped liver? Was this the same attitude you had in 1999?

 

[FunkyPlutos]

I would think that another advantage of having Turner on the staff is he is familiar with Weeden, so if Weeden wants out and they don't want him, Turner at least knows what he would offer. Not saying he would be good/bad for the Vikings - but when Ponder is your only QB, you must look at ALL possibilities!

 

[Biabreakable]

Great article by Arif today! http://www.dailynorseman.com/2014/2/19/5422820/taking-a-QB-in-the-1st-round-2014-nfl-draft-bridgewater-bortles-carr-manziel-analytics

 

[Bracie Smathers]

Rick Spielman from the Combine.

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/2/20/5430592/minnesota-vikings-willing-to-move-around-to-draft-a-qb

Minnesota Vikings willing to move around to draft a QBBy Dan Kadar@MockingTheDraft on Feb 20 2014, 2:04p

... "We've done a lot of great things in the draft, but everybody's looking for that quarterback," Spielman said. "That franchise guy. You have to be aggressive to go out there and find that guy and keep turning that wheel until you find the one you hit on. Are we going to force a quarterback at No. 8? We're going to take the best player unless we're absolutely in love with a guy. If we're in love with a guy who may go before us, we may move up in the draft. We would love to move down in the draft. There's so many good players that you're going to get some talented players in the third, fourth and fifth rounds.

"If there's a guy I think we may be able to get in the second or third round, just getting the pulse of how guys are coming off the board, we feel we have enough draft picks to move up and down, which I hope we do. Then we'll be aggressive and go up and get the guy at a certain point in the draft."

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Vikings.com has a lot of good interviews on their video page, plus they have all the QB pressers from the combine. Good resource...really interesting that Peter King thinks that Edelman should be a top FA priority for the team...not sure I agree but it was an interesting take.

 

[Gandalf]

Do you think the Vikings could get Garoppolo in the second round? And how would he fit as a QB in the offense? I really like what I'm hearing about Garoppolo.

 

[snellman]

Do you think the Vikings could get Garoppolo in the second round? And how would he fit as a QB in the offense? I really like what I'm hearing about Garoppolo.

I was liking him too, then I listened to the latest "on the couch" with Blom and Waldman. They don't seem to be very high on him at all. I will have to go back and look at him again.

 

[Donnybrook]

Do you think the Vikings could get Garoppolo in the second round? And how would he fit as a QB in the offense? I really like what I'm hearing about Garoppolo.

I was liking him too, then I listened to the latest "on the couch" with Blom and Waldman. They don't seem to be very high on him at all. I will have to go back and look at him again.

You can check him out here. http://draftbreakdown.com/players/jimmy-garoppolo/ I sure like the way he handle himself in the allstar games. QBing is so much about having confidence in your abilities. Ponder lacked faith in his arm and would pass on makeable throws. Will Garoppolo have the confidence and ability to throw into those tight windows? I would sure like to find out.

 

[Donnybrook]

This one is interesting:

Ben Goessling‏@GoesslingESPN·
South Carolina quarterback Connor Shaw said he met with the #Vikings twice at the #NFLCombine.

 

[snogger]

Nice interview with Zimmer here

Ponder isn't going to like this quote:

Obviously, those two guys we talked about ( Cassel & Freeman) are free agents and Ponder is still on the roster.. but um.. You know, we have to have a QB.. You know, we'll find the guy..

 

[Donnybrook]

According to Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times, "word is" the Raiders liked Fresno State QB Derek Carr "more" than Texas A&M QB Johnny Manziel "coming out of the Combine."

In Farmer's March 2 mock draft, he has the Raiders selecting Carr at No. 5 overall, and Manziel slipping to the Vikings at No. 8. Farmer is plugged-in both nationally and locally, so his reporting is always notable. There does seem to be an increasing sentiment that quarterbacks are generally rated more highly by draftniks and casual mock drafters than they are amongst NFL decision makers. Both Manziel and Carr are already polarizing prospects.

If this rumor turns out to be true, watch out for Andy - he will be dancing in the street.

 

[mr roboto]

I've been waffling about Manziel. Currently I'm low on him. But short term with ADP, CP, Jennings and Rudolph that's a sexy team. I just don't think his game will translate into a 10-year career.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I've been waffling about Manziel. Currently I'm low on him. But short term with ADP, CP, Jennings and Rudolph that's a sexy team. I just don't think his game will translate into a 10-year career.

What if he's awesome for 5? Do you care if he plays for 10 years? When was the last time the Vikings had a QB that was good for even three years?

 

[mr roboto]

I've been waffling about Manziel. Currently I'm low on him. But short term with ADP, CP, Jennings and Rudolph that's a sexy team. I just don't think his game will translate into a 10-year career.

What if he's awesome for 5? Do you care if he plays for 10 years? When was the last time the Vikings had a QB that was good for even three years?

I'm not convinced he'll be good for more than 2-3 years. I'm pretty concerned, watching his games, he looks nothing like a pro QB. He's a gamer though.

 

[Beo]

Manziel is only Offensive player I want in this draft! I literally salivate at the thought of what Norv Turner could do with Manziel, Peterson, Rudolph, Patterson, Jennings, and Wright. If Manziel isnt there than go all Defense and get a QB next year when it should be a very strong class.

 

[snogger]

I've been waffling about Manziel. Currently I'm low on him. But short term with ADP, CP, Jennings and Rudolph that's a sexy team. I just don't think his game will translate into a 10-year career.

What if he's awesome for 5? Do you care if he plays for 10 years? When was the last time the Vikings had a QB that was good for even three years?

I'm not convinced he'll be good for more than 2-3 years. I'm pretty concerned, watching his games, he looks nothing like a pro QB. He's a gamer though.

I'll take 3 years.. That is about the time ADP has left to be dominant.

If he can play top level for 2 or 3 years and get us one or two shots of great playoff runs and possibly a 5th chance at a Super Bowl, it would be worth it.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Manziel is only Offensive player I want in this draft! I literally salivate at the thought of what Norv Turner could do with Manziel, Peterson, Rudolph, Patterson, Jennings, and Wright. If Manziel isnt there than go all Defense and get a QB next year when it should be a very strong class.

If you literally salivate over it, I think you're going too far.

 

[Beo]

Manziel is only Offensive player I want in this draft! I literally salivate at the thought of what Norv Turner could do with Manziel, Peterson, Rudolph, Patterson, Jennings, and Wright. If Manziel isnt there than go all Defense and get a QB next year when it should be a very strong class.

If you literally salivate over it, I think you're going too far.

No going too far would be to shave my head and tattoo 2 Viking horns on the sides of my head.....lmao.

 

[Herb]

Manziel is only Offensive player I want in this draft! I literally salivate at the thought of what Norv Turner could do with Manziel, Peterson, Rudolph, Patterson, Jennings, and Wright. If Manziel isnt there than go all Defense and get a QB next year when it should be a very strong class.

What about BPA in the 1st and Garappolo in the 2nd? I saw one mock that had Watkins available at 8... While I think WR is mostly set for this team, the thought of him and Patterson lining up across from each other with Jennings in the slot makes me care a lot less about who actually plays QB...

 

[Beo]

Manziel is only Offensive player I want in this draft! I literally salivate at the thought of what Norv Turner could do with Manziel, Peterson, Rudolph, Patterson, Jennings, and Wright. If Manziel isnt there than go all Defense and get a QB next year when it should be a very strong class.

What about BPA in the 1st and Garappolo in the 2nd? I saw one mock that had Watkins available at 8... While I think WR is mostly set for this team, the thought of him and Patterson lining up across from each other with Jennings in the slot makes me care a lot less about who actually plays QB...

Yes the thought of Watkins/Patterson/Jennings is enticing but I like Wright alot and still hold out hope for Greg Childs to come back healthy. It isnt the fact that I dont like alot of the Offensive players in this draft because I do but I just feel like the strength of this draft is Defense and it is the perfect time to load up on new talent for Zimmer to work with.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

Manziel is only Offensive player I want in this draft! I literally salivate at the thought of what Norv Turner could do with Manziel, Peterson, Rudolph, Patterson, Jennings, and Wright. If Manziel isnt there than go all Defense and get a QB next year when it should be a very strong class.

What about BPA in the 1st and Garappolo in the 2nd? I saw one mock that had Watkins available at 8... While I think WR is mostly set for this team, the thought of him and Patterson lining up across from each other with Jennings in the slot makes me care a lot less about who actually plays QB...

Yes the thought of Watkins/Patterson/Jennings is enticing but I like Wright alot and still hold out hope for Greg Childs to come back healthy. It isnt the fact that I dont like alot of the Offensive players in this draft because I do but I just feel like the strength of this draft is Defense and it is the perfect time to load up on new talent for Zimmer to work with.

I agree...if Watkins is still there, I think they could get a good haul to trade down, and this team has so many holes on defense, that they would have to take it...especially in this draft.

 

[KellysHeroes]

Vikings released TE John Carlson.

The Vikes are admitting their mistake on one of the worst free agent deals of the post-lockout era, cutting Carlson after just two seasons of a five-year, $25 million pact. The move frees up $2 million in cap space. Carlson caught 40 passes in 27 games as a Viking, and saw his 2013 cut short by the third-known concussion of his pro career. Carlson briefly considered retirement, but plans to play in 2014. He turns 30 in May.

 

[Englishteacher]

No horse in this race. Panthers fan.

I admire the talent on offense. Obviously you have a RB that is a HOF lock with a short window.

Hasn't the team learned from the QB disasters, essentially wasting Peterson's time with the team?

Here's my .02.

Cut down as much as you can on unproductive contracts/players, sign Josh McCown in free agency, and draft BQBA at your 1.08 spot if you think there is a potential franchise guy there. McCown is the perfect torch bearer who can help you win now and if the new QB turns out to be great then all the better.

But what if you draft QB insert name here and he sucks? You have Christian Ponder redeux and you've wasted the last of Peterson's prime. Besides, even if QB insert name here is great, it's still going to take a time to get him familiar with being "Mr. Franchise." Let him compete!

The short, double down on your investment for the position. That offense has been hamstrung for far too long. Said my peace. Carry on! Good luck to you guys!

 

[Donnybrook]

No horse in this race. Panthers fan.

I admire the talent on offense. Obviously you have a RB that is a HOF lock with a short window.

Hasn't the team learned from the QB disasters, essentially wasting Peterson's time with the team?

Here's my .02.

Cut down as much as you can on unproductive contracts/players, sign Josh McCown in free agency, and draft BQBA at your 1.08 spot if you think there is a potential franchise guy there. McCown is the perfect torch bearer who can help you win now and if the new QB turns out to be great then all the better.

But what if you draft QB insert name here and he sucks? You have Christian Ponder redeux and you've wasted the last of Peterson's prime. Besides, even if QB insert name here is great, it's still going to take a time to get him familiar with being "Mr. Franchise." Let him compete!

The short, double down on your investment for the position. That offense has been hamstrung for far too long. Said my peace. Carry on! Good luck to you guys!

Hey English Preacher, telling Vikings fans that they need a "Bridge QB" is not telling us anything that we don't already know. And I do agree that Josh McCown might be a good signing if he is willing to sign a affordable short term deal.

I question whether you really don't have a horse in this race. You sound like a bitter Peterson fantasy owner. How about you came back here and preach some more when the Panthers win the Super Bowl? Until then, your team is just wasting Steve Smith's limited time in his potential HOF career.

 

[mr roboto]

No horse in this race. Panthers fan.

I admire the talent on offense. Obviously you have a RB that is a HOF lock with a short window.

Hasn't the team learned from the QB disasters, essentially wasting Peterson's time with the team?

Here's my .02.

Cut down as much as you can on unproductive contracts/players, sign Josh McCown in free agency, and draft BQBA at your 1.08 spot if you think there is a potential franchise guy there. McCown is the perfect torch bearer who can help you win now and if the new QB turns out to be great then all the better.

But what if you draft QB insert name here and he sucks? You have Christian Ponder redeux and you've wasted the last of Peterson's prime. Besides, even if QB insert name here is great, it's still going to take a time to get him familiar with being "Mr. Franchise." Let him compete!

The short, double down on your investment for the position. That offense has been hamstrung for far too long. Said my peace. Carry on! Good luck to you guys!

Hey English Preacher, telling Vikings fans that they need a "Bridge QB" is not telling us anything that we don't already know. And I do agree that Josh McCown might be a good signing if he is willing to sign a affordable short term deal. I question whether you really don't have a horse in this race. You sound like a bitter Peterson fantasy owner. How about you came back here and preach some more when the Panthers win the Super Bowl? Until then, your team is just wasting Steve Smith's limited time in his potential HOF career.

Jeez, you took that personally.

 

[datonn]

^ Yeah. I didn't see anything wrong, malicious, or even in Englishteacher's post. And what he/she posted is mostly correct. Get a QB like McCown (or get Cassel back), draft your QB of the future, we hope, in either the 1st or 2nd round, and let's play. Just don't FORCE a QB at 1.08...as we've been there, done that. No BQBA (where Englishteacher got it wrong).

I try not to even look at the names of some of the QBs, DLs, DBs, or LBs that were drafted WELL after Ponder came off the board in 2011. Just draft the best player on the board or move down 3-6+ spots on the board for extra early picks, period. Move up/down later in the first or second if we have to...to get a young QB for Turner to groom. But if they go QB at 1.08 just because they need a QB? I might need counseling.

 

[Englishteacher]

^ Yeah. I didn't see anything wrong, malicious, or even in Englishteacher's post. And what he/she posted is mostly correct. Get a QB like McCown (or get Cassel back), draft your QB of the future, we hope, in either the 1st or 2nd round, and let's play. Just don't FORCE a QB at 1.08...as we've been there, done that. No BQBA (where Englishteacher got it wrong).

I try not to even look at the names of some of the QBs, DLs, DBs, or LBs that were drafted WELL after Ponder came off the board in 2011. Just draft the best player on the board or move down 3-6+ spots on the board for extra early picks, period. Move up/down later in the first or second if we have to...to get a young QB for Turner to groom. But if they go QB at 1.08 just because they need a QB? I might need counseling.

Actually, I'm not a fan of forcing a QB pick either unless it fits into the BPA model. Sure, QB's are hyper-important, but at risk of passing on a Pro-Bowl caliber talent at another position, no way. There seems to be a lack of consensus on who is the Top QB to begin with and I've generally not heard much assessment saying these guys are elite talents. If the Vikings seem intent on force feeding a QB pick (which my speculation is that Ponder may have been) and fail in there evaluation to see differentiation between the top QB prospects, I'd say trade down, aquire more picks and take the QB who falls to them.

Additionally, McCown was a suggestion because he graded out in the top 6-8 QB's this year and far outperformed Cutler. He seems willing to move on and is a "now" QB, as Peterson is a "NOW", transcendent cornerstone, who happens to be the best RB of his generation.

And to be honest, I do have a horse in the race, because, when I was little, I loved the Vikings helmets and my favorite color was purple. Honest truth there.

Anyway, I'm just a guy on a message board. <Forrest Gump voice> "Sorry for ruining your Minnesota Viking party."

 

[Englishteacher]

No horse in this race. Panthers fan.

I admire the talent on offense. Obviously you have a RB that is a HOF lock with a short window.

Hasn't the team learned from the QB disasters, essentially wasting Peterson's time with the team?

Here's my .02.

Cut down as much as you can on unproductive contracts/players, sign Josh McCown in free agency, and draft BQBA at your 1.08 spot if you think there is a potential franchise guy there. McCown is the perfect torch bearer who can help you win now and if the new QB turns out to be great then all the better.

But what if you draft QB insert name here and he sucks? You have Christian Ponder redeux and you've wasted the last of Peterson's prime. Besides, even if QB insert name here is great, it's still going to take a time to get him familiar with being "Mr. Franchise." Let him compete!

The short, double down on your investment for the position. That offense has been hamstrung for far too long. Said my peace. Carry on! Good luck to you guys!

Hey English Preacher, telling Vikings fans that they need a "Bridge QB" is not telling us anything that we don't already know. And I do agree that Josh McCown might be a good signing if he is willing to sign a affordable short term deal.

I question whether you really don't have a horse in this race. You sound like a bitter Peterson fantasy owner. How about you came back here and preach some more when the Panthers win the Super Bowl? Until then, your team is just wasting Steve Smith's limited time in his potential HOF career.

Steve Smith couldn't carry ADP's jock. That's the difference.

 

[Donnybrook]

No horse in this race. Panthers fan.

I admire the talent on offense. Obviously you have a RB that is a HOF lock with a short window.

Hasn't the team learned from the QB disasters, essentially wasting Peterson's time with the team?

Here's my .02.

Cut down as much as you can on unproductive contracts/players, sign Josh McCown in free agency, and draft BQBA at your 1.08 spot if you think there is a potential franchise guy there. McCown is the perfect torch bearer who can help you win now and if the new QB turns out to be great then all the better.

But what if you draft QB insert name here and he sucks? You have Christian Ponder redeux and you've wasted the last of Peterson's prime. Besides, even if QB insert name here is great, it's still going to take a time to get him familiar with being "Mr. Franchise." Let him compete!

The short, double down on your investment for the position. That offense has been hamstrung for far too long. Said my peace. Carry on! Good luck to you guys!

Hey English Preacher, telling Vikings fans that they need a "Bridge QB" is not telling us anything that we don't already know. And I do agree that Josh McCown might be a good signing if he is willing to sign a affordable short term deal.

I question whether you really don't have a horse in this race. You sound like a bitter Peterson fantasy owner. How about you came back here and preach some more when the Panthers win the Super Bowl? Until then, your team is just wasting Steve Smith's limited time in his potential HOF career.

Steve Smith couldn't carry ADP's jock. That's the difference.

Sorry to inform you that having a great running back doesn't automatically make you a contender see Ladium Thomlinson and Barry Sanders. ADP had a great career with the Vikings and I disagree when people say that his efforts were "wasted" because he didn't play in a Super Bowl. I mean you could go to almost any other team thread and accuse their team of "wasting" their star players career. It is an old argument and it has grown tiresome.

If you are going to offer up your 2 cents anyways, stop beating around the bush and tell us what player we should draft. I have never heard of BQBA. Is he any good?

 

[mr roboto]

Who pissed in your Cheerios Donny?

 

[B-Deep]

The shark move for this team is to roll this season with whomever, grab some pieces and don;t worry about contending now. Hope Peterson has a good year, then next season after another disappointing season in Dallas when they change the deck chairs again try and sell Jerry on over paying for an aging Peterson, and then make a run.

Will it suck not to have made more out of Peterson's time, sure, but he'll help you build for the future when the cowboys over pay

 

[Biabreakable]

The Vikings will not be trading Adrian Peterson.

I even like the angle of some pay back for the Hershel Walker deal. But no.

Peterson has a long term goal of beating Emmitt Smiths all time rushing record. I hope he does and he does so as a Viking.

 

[B-Deep]

The Vikings will not be trading Adrian Peterson.

I even like the angle of some pay back for the Hershel Walker deal. But no.

Peterson has a long term goal of beating Emmitt Smiths all time rushing record. I hope he does and he does so as a Viking.

He probably won't catch Emmitt (see below), and I think you are right they will not trade him. But I think they should. They would not get NEAR the Walker deal, but his window is probably going to close quickly.

As for catching Emmitt...If he averages 1300 yards a season he'll need 6 more seasons, and will catch Emmitt about 1/3rd of the way through his 7th season. You can definitely argue that if anyone is going to to it Peterson will, but there are so many small things that can derail it, including just getting hitting an age wall like most RBs do.

 

[Biabreakable]

I know it is near impossible to beat Emmitt's record.

I still think Peterson has another 2k season in him through.

 

[B-Deep]

I know it is near impossible to beat Emmitt's record.

I still think Peterson has another 2k season in him through.

if anyone can be a 30 year old terminator RB it is Peterson, that is for sure.

 

[Donnybrook]

I don't watch college football outside of the occasional bowl game. So it is not surprising when I peruse the bargain basement of the QB ranking that I come across a player I never heard of before. Then I watched Garett Gilbert's highlights and I was shocked that so few were touting this guy as a great developmental QB.

I have a tremendous respect for Rich Gosselin as a talent evaluator and we he speaks I listen. Gosselin: Why the NFL should've invited SMU's Garrett Gilbert, North Texas' Brelan Chancellor to combine

Highlights: SMU QB Garrett Gilbert vs Fresno State IMO, if there was a year to avoid taking a top QB and take a project like Gilbert, it would be this year. He reminds me of raw Ryan Tannehill. Obviously the first 3 years of his college career were terrible but his senior year gives me hope he can learn.

 

[FunkyPlutos]

All this talk of Cassel possibly going to the Texans...when they cut Schaub, is he a possibility in Minnesota? Last year wasn't good for him, but his body of work is better than Cassel...

 

[Gandalf]

It seems ilke Schaub is nearing the end...

 

[BigJim®]

Who are other possible FA targets? He may be a square peg, but Michael Vick anyone? Looked pretty good at the beginning of 2013 but definitely proved too fragile for that QB option stuff Chip Kelly was heavy on. He's shown a strong (albeit inaccurate at times) arm historically.

Adrian Peterson: Vick would make Vikes a playoff team

Posted by Josh Alper on March 6, 2014, 10:49 AM EST

Michael Vick is looking for a new team and a chance at a starting job this offseason, which could lead to a conversation with the Vikings since they are in the market for a new starting quarterback.

One member of the Vikings thinks that the two sides could make some beautiful music together. Running back Adrian Peterson tweeted on Wednesday night that Vick “would intently make the Vikings a playoff team.”

We’re guessing that Peterson may have meant to type instantly as the NFL Network’s Twitter account had asked followers to fill in a blank about which team Vick would instantly make a playoff contender. There are plenty of people who would feel otherwise, if for no other reason than that Vick hasn’t started more than 13 games in a season since 2006. Peterson was still in college at that point.

Vick doesn’t seem like an obvious choice to play in a Norv Turner-run offense, either, but Peterson’s clearly looking for someone who can end the quarterback carousel of last year and help make something out of what’s left of the running back’s prime years. He thinks Vick can do that and we’ll likely find out if his team agrees in the next few weeks.

 

[Donnybrook]

Tom Pelissero‏@TomPelissero

#Vikings coach Mike Zimmer did a small group session with local reporters. A few notable things to follow ...

1. Zimmer on Cassel: "I would love to Matt Cassel back, if Matt Cassel wants to be back. I don’t know if that will happen."

2. Zimmer on Peterson stumping for Michael Vick: "He has his opinions. I like Adrian a lot. … I don’t know anything else."

3. Zimmer on his impression of Chris Cook's recent tweets: "My impression is he probably shouldn't be tweeting our conversations."


4. Zimmer spoke of Jared Allen and Kevin Williams in similar vein -- great players, would be an honor to coach, but they're the free agents.

5. Zimmer said he hasn't decided if he'll call defensive plays. Likely will feel out through first couple preseason games.

6. #Vikings will hold their voluntary veteran minicamp April 28-May 1. Right before draft. Chance for some important final evaluations.

7. Zimmer on free agency: "I think if we went out and we just spent a whole bunch of money now, we’d be upset two years from now."

 

[sports_fan]

Re-signed Cassel to a 2-year deal.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/442103733594247168

 

[Tool]

2 years $10 Mill.

Interesting. Seems like they're leaning away from picking a QB in 1st round but can't rule it out. Probably don't want to get burned twice after Ponder.

 

[Herb]

2 years $10 Mill.

Interesting. Seems like they're leaning away from picking a QB in 1st round but can't rule it out. Probably don't want to get burned twice after Ponder.

We can hope. Unless one of the top 3 QBs are sitting there at 8, draft best defensive player available and then in the 2nd or 3rd take Murray, Garappolo, Mettenburger or Carr, whichever one they like the most. I think this is great news, although I must admit the prospect of Vick and his rocket arm in Norv's offense was a little intriguing.

 

[snogger]

Re-signed Cassel to a 2-year deal.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/442103733594247168

2 years $10 Mill.

Interesting. Seems like they're leaning away from picking a QB in 1st round but can't rule it out. Probably don't want to get burned twice after Ponder.

Cassell is a perfect "Journeyman" who can help out in the short term. By signing him back they now won't feel the need to rush the QB in this draft.

If one one of the top 3 happened to fall to them then I'd expect them to draft him.

But by this signing, it gives them the leeway of moving down, getting more picks and getting a QB later.

Basically shuts the door on any Vick talk.

 

[Donnybrook]

My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.

 

[Gandalf]

My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.

Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings

 

[Donnybrook]

My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.

Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings

Cassel signing was a necessary signing but there isn't anything great about it. I am not going to kid myself because I really feel the team will flat out suck for a couple more years as we lose the vet talents of Kevin Williams, and Jared Allen.

Earlier in the year, people were saying that Norv Turner is used to coaching the prototypical pocket passer. They said that Vick wouldn't be a good fit for him but somehow Johnny Manziel is? I think there is a big gap between what the twitterverse thinks and what actual front office people think.

 

[Gandalf]

My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.

Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings

Cassel signing was a necessary signing but there isn't anything great about it. I am not going to kid myself because I really feel the team will flat out suck for a couple more years as we lose the vet talents of Kevin Williams, and Jared Allen. Earlier in the year, people were saying that Norv Turner is used to coaching the prototypical pocket passer. They said that Vick wouldn't be a good fit for him but somehow Johnny Manziel is? I think there is a big gap between what the twitterverse thinks and what actual front office people think.

Yeah sorry by great I guess I meant, you now know who the serviceable starter/backup is for the next two years.

I like a rookie Manziel way more than a old Vick. I would imagine the Vikings would to.

 

[BigJim®]

My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.

Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings

Cassel signing was a necessary signing but there isn't anything great about it. I am not going to kid myself because I really feel the team will flat out suck for a couple more years as we lose the vet talents of Kevin Williams, and Jared Allen.

Earlier in the year, people were saying that Norv Turner is used to coaching the prototypical pocket passer. They said that Vick wouldn't be a good fit for him but somehow Johnny Manziel is? I think there is a big gap between what the twitterverse thinks and what actual front office people think.

This is pretty much my take. I do like Manziel because he's a winner, plays hard, and sort of gives me the sense he's capable of being what Russell Wilson is for Seattle... a field general who can both pocket pass and buy extra time with his legs while keeping his eyes looking downfield. Based on our sieve OL, my gut tells me we'd be more successful immediately with a guy who can do that. I don't know if Turner can work with that, or if he needs a pure pocket-only passer. Regardless, I find myself oddly confident heading into the draft regardless of which way the Vikes go. Just knowing that Turner will have input greatly reduces risk of "13-criteria" Spielman convicing himself to draft the likes of Ponder.

 

[Gandalf]

My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.

Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings

Cassel signing was a necessary signing but there isn't anything great about it. I am not going to kid myself because I really feel the team will flat out suck for a couple more years as we lose the vet talents of Kevin Williams, and Jared Allen. Earlier in the year, people were saying that Norv Turner is used to coaching the prototypical pocket passer. They said that Vick wouldn't be a good fit for him but somehow Johnny Manziel is? I think there is a big gap between what the twitterverse thinks and what actual front office people think.

Yeah sorry by great I guess I meant, you now know who the serviceable starter/backup is for the next two years. I like a rookie Manziel way more than a old Vick. I would imagine the Vikings would to.

Do people think Manziel would do well as a Viking?