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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 MINNESOTA VIKINGS SEASON THREAD (1 Viewer)

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My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.
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Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings
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Cassel signing was a necessary signing but there isn't anything great about it. I am not going to kid myself because I really feel the team will flat out suck for a couple more years as we lose the vet talents of Kevin Williams, and Jared Allen. Earlier in the year, people were saying that Norv Turner is used to coaching the prototypical pocket passer. They said that Vick wouldn't be a good fit for him but somehow Johnny Manziel is? I think there is a big gap between what the twitterverse thinks and what actual front office people think.
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Yeah sorry by great I guess I meant, you now know who the serviceable starter/backup is for the next two years. I like a rookie Manziel way more than a old Vick. I would imagine the Vikings would to.
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Do people think Manziel would do well as a Viking?
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It would be a good landing spot for him. Lots of talent on offense, dynamic talent.
 
Manziel would have to earn my support. I wouldn't be against grabbing him if he's available but I wouldn't be 100% behind him either. I hate his attitude and demeanor. I think he'll be a massive bust if he doesn't mature fairly quickly. And I agree with those who say he isn't a great fit for Norv Turner.

 
Hoping for Michael Johnson, Griffen, Linval Joseph, and Verner in Free Agency. Than we can focus on LB, more secondary, another DT, and a QB for the future in the draft. Wouldn't mind kicking the tires on Sproles either as a change of pace back and extra weapon. Kind of surprised we havent heard of a Greenway restructuring yet. Really hoping Zim and Jerry Gray can recruit Johnson and Verner.

 
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Gandalf said:
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Donnybrook said:
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Donnybrook said:
My gut feeling is that Manziel will be still on the board at 8 and the Vikings will draft someone else even if Bortles and Bridgewater are gone. It has nothing to do with Cassel re-signing and more to do with the type of QB Turner wants to work with.
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Great signing of Cassell. Manziel if he is there seems like an amazing fit for the Vikings
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Cassel signing was a necessary signing but there isn't anything great about it. I am not going to kid myself because I really feel the team will flat out suck for a couple more years as we lose the vet talents of Kevin Williams, and Jared Allen. Earlier in the year, people were saying that Norv Turner is used to coaching the prototypical pocket passer. They said that Vick wouldn't be a good fit for him but somehow Johnny Manziel is? I think there is a big gap between what the twitterverse thinks and what actual front office people think.
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Yeah sorry by great I guess I meant, you now know who the serviceable starter/backup is for the next two years.I like a rookie Manziel way more than a old Vick. I would imagine the Vikings would to.
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Do people think Manziel would do well as a Viking?
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Not a Manziel fan here. I think he is Tim Tebow II

 
Pretty good signing I think. His snap count has been limited by Robison and Allen (60% last season and 55% the year before). Given more time on the field I think he's a 10-12 sack guy.

 
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Jasper Brinkley‏@Jasperhitman54

Glad to be back in Purple&Gold
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1 year deal apparently. Not sure who will man the middle with this signing. Audie Cole and Mike Mauti have more competition.

 
Brinkley is not going to help in nickle packages which will likely be used 70% or more of the time.

He is a pretty good run support LB but that is about it.

I am pretty sure the Vikings will be running a 4-3 with some hybrid aspects to it. If the Vikings do add more LB then maybe they could consider some 3-4 looks as well but that remains to be seen.

I am not sure if Brinkley can beat out Cole/Mauti for the MLB but I like that the Vikings are improving the competition.

eta- I am very happy the Vikings re-signed Griffen. I think he may be better than Johnson anyways at least as a pass rusher. I think he will thrive as the RDE and his versatility allows Zimmer to get creative with the fronts as well.

I would like to see the Vikings add one more DE for depth still.

 
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Even if the Vikings do take a QB in the first round, I hope they hedge their bets and take Garrett Gilbert in the 7th round. I admit it will be very unlikely if we have 3 QBs on the roster. He seems like the perfect developmental prospect. Scouting report from the Temple game.

Garrett Gilbert, QB, SMU (#11), 6’4, 223
The same Garrett Gilbert who played much of the 2009 BCS Championship game for Texas against Alabama and almost brought the Longhorns back, Gilbert transferred to SMU after a medical redshirt in 2011 and was able to play immediately since he graduated from Texas. This was the best statistical game of his career at either Texas or SMU as Gilbert had 538 passing yards and 97 rushing yards to go with 6 touchdowns (4 rushing).

Despite having an NFL arm Gilbert thrives in the short rhythm passing game when he can get the ball out quickly on curls and slants. He shows good pocket presence, climbing to avoid pressure and keeping his eyes downfield before tucking and running as a last resort. Gilbert overthrew a few long passes but made a big throw to Keenan Holman while stepping up into pressure to tie the game at 35 late in the third quarter. Gilbert has good mobility and can escape the pocket to make plays, as he did on a 53-yard run against Temple. He has the arm to split a Cover 2 corner and safety along the sideline and push the ball downfield, but his accuracy and pass placement could use work. Gilbert made good decisions all game long and stayed composed after falling into a big hole early. He doesn’t look like an NFL starter, but has potential as a backup and plenty of talent for an NFL team to try and develop.
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http://www.optimumscouting.com/draft/articles/2014-nfl-draft-scouting-notes-from-smu-vs-temple.html

I will try to refrain from make post about Gilbert in the future but it is amazing to me that he remains unranked but most draft sites.

 
Probably a 0% chance, but I'm going to dream anyway. Soft cover 2 goes into the junk pile, creating a need for a cover corner like Revis. Having a secondary consisting of Revis, Rhodes and Harrison Smith? What are we, $25 mil under the cap?

 
My realistic hope:

Alterraun Verner, CB: Awesome duo with Rhodes, Harrison Smith behind these two would be lovely.

Paul Soliai, DT: I like the big guy next to Floyd in the middle, space eater who still can rush. Robison and Griffen complete a nice line. Hopefully Floyd can be our next Kevin Williams

Vincent Rey, LB: Zimmer convinces him to come, can be our MLB and run our D. Hopefully Greenway bounces back. Still need another OLB(Mack?)

Darren Sproles, RB: Nice change of pace back from AD. Would like a compliment at RB2 instead of something similar like Toby.

If we can sign these guys, draft Mack, and pick up a veteran saftey to play beside Harrison, that has the looks of a great D.

Robison...Soliai...Floyd...Griffen

...Greenway......Rey.......Mack

Rhodes.........................................Verner

..............VET................Smith

 
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Correct me if I'm wrong Vikings fans, but are AP and Rudolph the only offensive players left from the 2011 team?

 
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Correct me if I'm wrong Vikings fans, but are AP and Rudolph the only offensive players left from the 2011 team?
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Christian Ponder.

John Sullivan.

Phil Loadholt.

Brandon Fusco.

Joe Berger. (Backup Guard/Center)

Kyle Rudolph.

Adrian Peterson.

2012 additions-

Matt Kalil.

Jarius Wright.

Rhett Ellison. (replaces Kleinsasser)

Jerome Felton.

2013 additions-

Matt Cassel

Greg Jennings.

Cordarrelle Patterson. ( to replace Percy Harvin on kick returns/constraint plays)

Jeff Baca.

Travis Bond.

John Carlson was basically a bridge player until they were sure what Ellison could do.

The offensive line has been playing together for a pretty long time. The only change will be at left guard. Jeff Baca may be ready to start or the Vikings may bring in competition. Charlie Johnson was the weak link there so losing him is not a big deal.

Focus should be almost all on the defensive side of the ball with only QB being a important hole to fill on offense.

For 24 straight regular-season games, the Vikings started the same five offensive linemen.

That streak will end Thursday.

Vikings coach Leslie Frazier said Tuesday that right tackle Phil Loadholt will miss the game against Washington at the Metrodome because of a concussion suffered in Sunday's 27-23 loss at Dallas. J'Marcus Webb will replace him.

"Phil is a vital part of our offensive line, one of our top players,'' Frazier said. "Very good right tackle for us. But that's one of the reasons we signed J'Marcus, gives him a great opportunity. He'll go in, and he'll play well; he's familiar with our system now.''

Center John Sullivan, tackles Loadholt and Matt Kalil, and guards Charlie Johnson and Brandon Fusco started every game last season and all eight this season.

With the Vikings thin on the line, Kevin Murphy told the Pioneer Press he will be called up from the practice squad before Thursday's game. It will mark the first time Murphy, who was on Minnesota's practice squad all of last season, suits up for a regular-season game.

"I'm really excited,'' said Murphy, who played at Harvard. "It will be my first game in uniform. And it's on national TV (NFL Network).''

At least the Vikings are expected Thursday to have Johnson, who has been dealing with an elbow injury. He practiced Tuesday.

The Vikings also will face the Redskins without tight end Kyle Rudolph, who suffered a fractured foot against the Cowboys. Frazier said Tuesday Rudolph will be out four to six weeks.

As for the secondary, Frazier said he expects cornerbacks Josh Robinson (who suffered a chest injury against the Cowboys) and Xavier Rhodes (sidelined in the fourth quarter against Dallas with a leg injury) to be available. Frazier said it remains to be seen whether cornerback Chris Cook (hip strain) and safety Jamarca Sanford (groin strain), who both sat out against Dallas, will play.

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The Vikings may not be done tweaking and retooling along their defensive line. According to Ian Rapoport, the team has lined up another visit with a free agent defensive tackle.

And this one is a little bit surprising when you consider the current depth chart.

Rapoport says the Vikings will meet with Bears free agent DT Henry Melton. The Cowboys reportedly also have interest in Melton.

This is an intriguing situation for a variety of reasons. Melton is coming off injury, but before hurting himself last year, he was performing at a top level.

Had it not been for the injury, Melton might have been in line for a very big-money extension from the Bears. As it is, they allowed him to hit the market, perhaps hoping the injury would chase teams away and they could bring him back on a smaller deal.

Point here being, Henry Melton is at this point in his career a solid starting-level defensive tackle if healthy. A possible Pro Bowler, in fact. The Vikings we assumed already had their starting defensive tackle situation locked down between Linval Joseph and Sharrif Floyd. So why the interest in Melton?

It appears we may have assumed too much when we thought defensive tackle was no longer a need. The Vikings’ interest in Melton must raise questions about 2013 first round pick Sharrif Floyd and whether Mike Zimmer considers him a genuine fit.

The fact on Floyd is that he was drafted to play in Leslie Frazier’s system which favored defensive linemen with quick get-off. Zimmer’s system is more set up for guys who play the run and bring some physicality to the equation.

It’s possible that Zimmer looks at Floyd and just doesn’t like what he sees.

Melton would give Zimmer a player who can stop the run, which is what Zimmer appears to favor in his interior linemen. Linval Joseph also fits this profile, and has the size to play the nose.

At this point in his career, and in spite of the injury, I don’t see how a team brings in Henry Melton unless they are looking at Henry Melton as a possible starter. If the Vikings sign Melton, I think it means a diminished role for Sharrif Floyd.

And that means you will ultimately get much less value than what you expected out of your first round pick.
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Wow, this could be anice FA find. First instict is 5-2 defense? But Melton is coming off ACL, Floyd is young, and you assume Joseph will come out on 3rd like Pat Williams did. Ability to rotate quality DTs would be pretty smart if they can get Melton at the right price.

 
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Wow, this could be anice FA find. First instict is 5-2 defense? But Melton is coming off ACL, Floyd is young, and you assume Joseph will come out on 3rd like Pat Williams did. Ability to rotate quality DTs would be pretty smart if they can get Melton at the right price.
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Agreed. I don't view the signing of Melton as an indictment of Floyd. Viking no longer have DTs Evans, Williams and Guion. Just smart if they can rotate in DTs.

 
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Warning the content within contains material that may infuriate Viking fans: https://twitter.com/RosterWatch This dude is convinced that the Vikings are taking McCarron with their 2nd round pick.
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:shrug: If they trade down in the 1st to get some extra picks, pickup more defense help and take him I don't see an issue..

There is no QB after the top 3 that excites me, but they have to look at the future and get one, so McCarron, Carr or Mettenberger works for me.

 
snogger said:
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Warning the content within contains material that may infuriate Viking fans: https://twitter.com/RosterWatch This dude is convinced that the Vikings are taking McCarron with their 2nd round pick.
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:shrug: If they trade down in the 1st to get some extra picks, pickup more defense help and take him I don't see an issue..

There is no QB after the top 3 that excites me, but they have to look at the future and get one, so McCarron, Carr or Mettenberger works for me.
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McCarron is just a guy but Carr and Mettengerber have upside.

Nothing against AJ personally but please...no.

 
Andy Dufresne said:
snogger said:
Donnybrook said:
Warning the content within contains material that may infuriate Viking fans: https://twitter.com/RosterWatch This dude is convinced that the Vikings are taking McCarron with their 2nd round pick.
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:shrug: If they trade down in the 1st to get some extra picks, pickup more defense help and take him I don't see an issue..

There is no QB after the top 3 that excites me, but they have to look at the future and get one, so McCarron, Carr or Mettenberger works for me.
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McCarron is just a guy but Carr and Mettengerber have upside.

Nothing against AJ personally but please...no.
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IMO, I see AJ as Brad Johnson part 2.. Not going to be flashy, or put up monster stats, but could win games when needed, and more then likely won't lose games for you like Mr. Ponder.

Saying that, I agree, I'd much rather see them draft Mettengerber and maybe even Carr.. But I won't be "infuriated" per the OP if they drafted AJ. :shrug:

Now, if they drafted him in the 1st round then yes :rant:

But maybe they take the 2nd round pick and trade down also, get even more picks and take AJ later in the 2nd , or maybe in the 3rd..

There are so many holes to fill that at this point I'd rather they load up on talent, and take a shot at one of the 2nd tier QB's if the top 3 are not there.

 
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Hey, I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic here. And that's a big deal for me with this team.

I like the coaches (finally, after what, 30 years?) and like the route they're taking in free agency.

 
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Hey, I'm starting to get cautiously optimistic here. And that's a big deal for me with this team.

I like the coaches (finally, after what, 30 years?) and like the route they're taking in free agency.
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:goodposting: I agree 100% It's about time they had a coach to get excited about. There have been other off seasons that had me optimistic but then I would realize the coaches would hinder any chance of winning a championship.

 
  • By Marc Sessler
Yet another free-agent cornerback has been taken off the open market.

It's the latest move for a team that re-signed pass rusherEverson Griffen before adding former New York Giantsdefensive tackle Linval Joseph.NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport broke the news Thursday that former Carolina Panthers defensive back Captain Munnerlyn is signing a three-year deal that could be worth as much as $15 million with the Minnesota Vikings, according to a source.

The Munnerlyn signing marks yet another departure from Carolina, who released Steve Smith before seeing fellow wide receiver Ted Ginn land with the Arizona Cardinals. The Panthers also lost safetyMike Mitchell to the Steelers after offensive lineman Geoff Hangartner announced his retirement -- just weeks after left tackle Jordan Gross called it quits.

When Panthers general manager Dave Gettleman was asked at the combine about re-signing Munnerlyn, a 16-game starter last season, he told the room: "We're still evaluating."

The Vikings made their evaluation clear after Munnerlyn finished 2013 as the 11th-ranked corner in the NFL, per Pro Football Focus. With four career pick sixes, he's returned a greater percentage (71.4) of interceptions for touchdowns than any player in NFL history.

For a Vikings squad that allowed an outrageous 4,598 yards through the air last season, second worst in the NFL, Munnerlyn projects as an immediate starter in the slot for this rebuilt, Mike Zimmer-led defense.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000333920/article/captain-munnerlyn-minnesota-vikings-strike-contract
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I have a very good feeling about how Spielman/Zimmer are handling free agency thus far. The Vikings have filled a lot of needs the past couple days.

 
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And it sounds like Henry Melton is in town overnight...if they could get him and he can come back healthy, the D-line could actually be a strength again!!

 
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And it sounds like Henry Melton is in town overnight...if they could get him and he can come back healthy, the D-line could actually be a strength again!!
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As long as he doesn't cost a ton. He would be a huge upgrade though. Just signed Derek Cox, not sure what the terms were but I'll bet it was a decent contract for the team. If Melton signs and we draft a LB at 8 I like the way this D is shaping up. All of these contracts are front loaded too so the future looks bright!

 
As others have mentioned before I am very excited in the direction this team is taking right now. Zimmer was a great hire for a coach and the defense is really shaping up. Lets hope they can get Melton in FA. Then at the 8 pick go with one of the Top 3 at QB or Mack (fingers crossed). Would be a huge change from last year.

 
Derek Cox was obviously a disaster in San Diego last year. But I thought he showed some potential when he was in Jax. Maybe it was just the fan in me wanting him to do well, but maybe the Vikings staff can pull something out of him.

 
I see they signed Simpson back today. I see a lot of people projecting them to take a WR in the draft, but I don't see it...Anyone they draft would end up being their 5th WR and would need to play a lot of special teams. So it is possible, but I don't really see it early.

 
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Adding fuel to the fire on McCarron

Three officials from the Minnesota Vikings descended on Alabama's pro day on Wednesday, giving way to speculation that the club is zooming in on AJ McCarron as a possible answer at quarterback. Not only was general manager Rick Spielman on hand, but new head coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner were reportedly there as well.
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Of course, there is a player by the name of C.J. Mosley who was supposedly participating in Alabama's pro day too... :whistle:

 
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snogger said:
Adding fuel to the fire on McCarron

Three officials from the Minnesota Vikings descended on Alabama's pro day on Wednesday, giving way to speculation that the club is zooming in on AJ McCarron as a possible answer at quarterback. Not only was general manager Rick Spielman on hand, but new head coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner were reportedly there as well.
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Of course, there is a player by the name of C.J. Mosley who was supposedly participating in Alabama's pro day too... :whistle:
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Exactly. :goodposting:
 
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datonn said:
snogger said:
Adding fuel to the fire on McCarron

Three officials from the Minnesota Vikings descended on Alabama's pro day on Wednesday, giving way to speculation that the club is zooming in on AJ McCarron as a possible answer at quarterback. Not only was general manager Rick Spielman on hand, but new head coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner were reportedly there as well.
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Of course, there is a player by the name of C.J. Mosley who was supposedly participating in Alabama's pro day too... :whistle:
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Exactly. :goodposting:
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Sure.. But if that was who they were there to see.. Don't you think the Defensive Coordinator would have tagged along, rather then Norv?? :shrug:

 
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Andy Dufresne said:
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snogger said:
Adding fuel to the fire on McCarron

Three officials from the Minnesota Vikings descended on Alabama's pro day on Wednesday, giving way to speculation that the club is zooming in on AJ McCarron as a possible answer at quarterback. Not only was general manager Rick Spielman on hand, but new head coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner were reportedly there as well.
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Of course, there is a player by the name of C.J. Mosley who was supposedly participating in Alabama's pro day too... :whistle:
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Exactly. :goodposting:
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Sure.. But if that was who they were there to see.. Don't you think the Defensive Coordinator would have tagged along, rather then Norv?? :shrug:
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I have the feeling that Zimmer is going to be the Defensive Coordinator (even if he doesn't have the title - tough for him to give up the role, or at least have a VERY big say in it anyway)...and I have no doubts that they are looking at McCarron...he is in that second tier of QBs that they will probably be looking at taking.

 
FunkyPlutos said:
snogger said:
Andy Dufresne said:
datonn said:
snogger said:
Adding fuel to the fire on McCarron

Three officials from the Minnesota Vikings descended on Alabama's pro day on Wednesday, giving way to speculation that the club is zooming in on AJ McCarron as a possible answer at quarterback. Not only was general manager Rick Spielman on hand, but new head coach Mike Zimmer and offensive coordinator Norv Turner were reportedly there as well.
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Of course, there is a player by the name of C.J. Mosley who was supposedly participating in Alabama's pro day too... :whistle:
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Exactly. :goodposting:
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Sure.. But if that was who they were there to see.. Don't you think the Defensive Coordinator would have tagged along, rather then Norv?? :shrug:
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I have the feeling that Zimmer is going to be the Defensive Coordinator (even if he doesn't have the title - tough for him to give up the role, or at least have a VERY big say in it anyway)...and I have no doubts that they are looking at McCarron...he is in that second tier of QBs that they will probably be looking at taking.
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I still think that if the top 3 QB's are gone, they will be looking to trade in the 1st round.. Spillman's already said more then once he wants more draft picks..

Heck, if McCarron is their guy, and they believe they can still get McCarron later in the 2nd round( some have him going as late as the 3rd round), I could see them trade back yet again in the 2nd round.

The signing of Cassel, albeit not jump up and down exciting, at least gives them options rather then reaching for Carr or someone else in the 1st.

 
My only hope is if the Vikings are running a covert operation this year - giving undue attention to the guys they don't want and ignoring the guys they do want.

I am pretty disappointed that they are giving soo much attention to McCarron and Shaw while not having a single representative at Brett Smith's pro day.

 
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McCarron's ball velocity at the combine was 53 mph. Shaw's was 50 mph. Ponder's was at 51 or 52 mph if I remember correctly.

I don't want to see Vikings history repeating itself.

 
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