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***OFFICIAL*** 2013 MINNESOTA VIKINGS SEASON THREAD (1 Viewer)

MINNEAPOLIS -- As the Minnesota Vikings are interviewing quarterback prospects before the NFL draft, offensive coordinator Norv Turner is using a drill he's employed for years in learning about how quickly a player can digest an NFL playbook. Turner will diagram a handful of plays, with different permutations of personnel and protection schemes, and then turn things around, asking the quarterback prospect to pick several plays and walk through how they're supposed to work. That drill, in addition to teaching the Vikings about their draft options, has been educational for new head coach Mike Zimmer.

"We’ve been working out these quarterbacks, and we go over the offense with these players," Zimmer told reporters at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando on Wednesday. "That’s actually helped. I’ll sit in there, we’ll talk about the offense, and after we get done, I’ll ask him, ‘Why are we doing it this way? This makes more sense to me.’ And we talk about it. He’s been doing it for a long time, so he’s got a lot of good points." It's clear that as the Vikings determine when to take a quarterback in this year's draft, they're going to lean heavily on Turner's expertise. He helped develop Troy Aikman in Dallas, worked out Drew Brees when the Chargers drafted him and was San Diego's head coach during Philip Rivers' formative seasons. In an organization with a defensive-minded head coach in Zimmer and a general manager who admittedly has struggled at picking quarterbacks (Rick Spielman), Turner's opinion will carry plenty of weight this spring.
"I don’t think he wants to be the head coach. I think he wants to be the offensive coordinator. It’s easier," Zimmer said. "If someone wants your job, it’s a little bit harder to handle those kinds of things. But I’ve felt great with Norv."

Zimmer said when he first took the job that he didn't want to simply be a defensive coach and leave the offense to someone else, and one of his first big tasks as a head coach is his ability to jump from overseeing a defense to managing a whole team. But he said again on Wednesday how it was important for him to get an experienced coordinator like Turner, and it's clear Zimmer is using Turner as a resource as much as he's delegating to him.

"I think that was why it was so important I got Norv in here," Zimmer said. "I’ve spent a lot of time with Norv in the last month and a half. I just go sit in his office, and we talk about the quarterbacks, we talk about the draft, we talk about how we use Adrian Peterson, all those types of scenarios."

As that partnership relates to evaluating quarterbacks, it sounds like Zimmer will leave much of the technical work to Turner. The coach's sphere of influence, then, will come more in judging what kind of a leader his quarterback can be. As Zimmer mentioned, he played quarterback in high school, and he'll be able to lean on Turner. It sounds, though, like the coach has a fairly specific persona he's looking for in a quarterback.

"For me, it's the character of the guy. Will this guy lead our football team?" Zimmer said. "I want to make sure that the guy we bring in has the athletic ability but I also want him to have my persona. Because him and I are going to be tied together, whoever we draft. I don't want him to be a completely different personality from me if I can help it. I want this guy to be a leader and a guy who wants to take a bunch a guys and make a great franchise.

"I want him to be the first one in the building. These are a lot of things that I talk to them about and try to figure out how smart he is. All of these quarterbacks have played great in college and all of them could be the guy. The ones that don't make it are the ones when the lights come on and things are moving and he has to react and put the ball in the right place. How do you judge that? That's the biggest thing. How do we figure that out? If any of these teams could figure that out, that would be the right thing." http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth
 
I'm really rooting for Zimmer to succeed. It will be nice to see a HC roaming the sidelines and actually look like he cares what's going on on the field.

 
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snogger said:
Andy Dufresne said:
snogger said:
Looks like Zimmerman and the staff are moving on now to the Offense:

Vikings Sign Former Jets G Vladimir Ducasse :popcorn:
That's called subtraction by addition.
:shrug: I know very little about OL talent.. He is young and BIG... so hopefully Norv and Zimmerman can get him to produce to his ability..
Who is this Zimmerman you speak so highly of?? :confused:
Gary was a great LT but I am hoping Kalil will be better than him.

 
snogger said:
Andy Dufresne said:
snogger said:
Looks like Zimmerman and the staff are moving on now to the Offense:

Vikings Sign Former Jets G Vladimir Ducasse :popcorn:
That's called subtraction by addition.
:shrug: I know very little about OL talent.. He is young and BIG... so hopefully Norv and Zimmerman can get him to produce to his ability..
Who is this Zimmerman you speak so highly of?? :confused:
:lmao: that's what I get for posting here and doing work for "Zimmerman" here at work.. Multitasking at it's best..

Hope I didn't call him Zimmer when I was on the phone with him.. :oldunsure:

 
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Zimmer or Zimmerman or whoever...if he can turn the team around I'll call him anything he wants!!

With his good reputation and the things that he has said and done since he's taken over, he has me very impressed so far! Really a breath of fresh air to a franchise that needs a leader that will speak with an air of confidence and excitement...it has been a while!

 
snogger said:
snogger said:
Looks like Zimmerman and the staff are moving on now to the Offense:

Vikings Sign Former Jets G Vladimir Ducasse :popcorn:
That's called subtraction by addition.
:shrug: I know very little about OL talent.. He is young and BIG... so hopefully Norv and Zimmerman can get him to produce to his ability..
Who is this Zimmerman you speak so highly of?? :confused:
:lmao: that's what I get for posting here and doing work for "Zimmerman" here at work.. Multitasking at it's best..

Hope I didn't call him Zimmer when I was on the phone with him.. :oldunsure:
I didn't know you worked for Bob Zimmerman snogger. :cool:

 
Ok back to the draft. I see it like this:

Plan A: take the best available QB out of the top 3 (note: Carr is not in my top 3)

Plan B: trade down and take a CB. I am hoping that some team wants to get in front of Buffalo to take a OT or a WR.

 
Ok back to the draft. I see it like this:Plan A: take the best available QB out of the top 3 (note: Carr is not in my top 3)Plan B: trade down and take a CB. I am hoping that some team wants to get in front of Buffalo to take a OT or a WR.
I agree with everything except I think Carr is in the top three.

 
Mike Zimmer calls Johnny Manziel pro day a 'sideshow'

By Josh Katzowitz | NFL Writer

March 28, 2014 11:03 am ET

For the most part, the pro day workout by Johnny Manziel at Texas A&M on Thursday was an impressive display of accuracy, arm strength and a nice touch on his passes. A former U.S. president and first lady -- along with their dog -- were there, and though there was plenty of Twitter snark during and after the workout, Manziel's performance could easily be labeled a success.

Vikings coach Mike Zimmer, though, has a slightly different opinion. He said Manziel's performance was "choreographed" and that the surrounding atmosphere was too circus-like for his taste.

“The huddles and the different things and the music. The sideshow stuff,” Zimmer said, via the Houston Chronicle. “It was a sideshow.”

Perhaps Manziel's most unusual decision was to participate in his pro day while wearing shoulder pads and a helmet. Some speculated that Manziel did so in order to appear physically bigger to the scouts and NFL officials in attendance, and Manziel said he did it simply because he plays the game in pads and a helmet.

But it sounds like Zimmer wasn't impressed.

"It was a different workout,” Zimmer said. “It's the first time I've ever seen it ... “This one was a little different in how it was choreographed. People like that or they don't like that, I don't know.”

What Zimmer's comments mean ... well, who knows. He's on record saying the team wants to add quarterbacks to the Vikings roster, and it seems likely Minnesota will look to the draft in order to do so and to find a way to replace Christian Ponder and Matt Cassel as the team's potential starter.

For the record, three of the five CBSSports.com mock drafters predict Minnesota will take a quarterback with the No. 8 overall pick (two votes for Teddy Bridgewater and one for Derek Carr).

But by the time it's the Vikings' turn to draft, Manziel very well could be off the board anyway. Unless all 32 teams are on the same wavelength as CBSSports.com's Pete Prisco -- who doesn't have Manziel as a first-round pick in his mock draft.

Still, not everybody was turned off by Manziel on Thursday.

“The atmosphere and everything that was involved and then to come out and perform like he did, that was great,” Jaguars coach Gus Bradley said. “I think that's no different than how he's performed all year, right? Perform under pressure. Felt like more of a pressurized environment with a lot of eyes watching him and he did a great job.” http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24504353/mike-zimmer-calls-johnny-manziel-pro-day-a-sideshow


Zimmer saying Manziels work out was different translated into Minnesotan means he didn't like it but he is going to be too polite to just come out and say that, so instead he just says "thats different".

Of course I am not sure Zimmer is speaking Minnesotan there either.

Personally I like that he did the workout in pads and helmet. Perhaps much like his play, doing that was taking a risk, but it proves his confidence in himself to perform well and be comfortable in full gear. I did not think about the angle of attempting to look bigger by doing that pointed out in the article above however.

For all we know Zimmer may really like Manziel but is dropping hints that the Vikings don't like him to the media as a smoke screen.

Sumlin mum on Zimmer conversation

Texas A&M coach Kevin Sumlin and Minnesota Vikings head coach Mike Zimmer spoke extensively during the workout. After the workout ended, College Football 24/7 asked Sumlin about the substance of the conversation, but the veteran coach wasn't offering any insight into what Zimmer wanted to know about Manziel.

"I was a GA at Washington State for Mike Price, my first job. Mike Zimmer was the defensive coordinator. We've known each other a long time and I hadn't seen him since he got the (Vikings) job," Sumlin said. "We were just talking about a few things, but yeah, I'm sure Johnny came up in the conversation."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000337395/article/what-we-learned-from-johnny-manziels-pro-day
 
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Ok back to the draft. I see it like this:Plan A: take the best available QB out of the top 3 (note: Carr is not in my top 3)Plan B: trade down and take a CB. I am hoping that some team wants to get in front of Buffalo to take a OT or a WR.
I agree with everything except I think Carr is in the top three.
Carr is in my top 3 until the game starts. Then he drops off the charts. I really hope they don't take him unless it's late round.

 
Quarterback Johnny Manziel's meeting with the Minnesota Vikings following his pro-day performance apparently wasn't filled with softball questions.


New Vikings coach Mike Zimmer cited "flags" that Manziel was asked about regarding his maturity.


"We asked him all kinds of questions. We went to dinner with him the night after (his pro day). We talked to him at the combine. There are some flags that come up," Zimmer told 104.9 The Horn, according to a transcription at 247sports.com. "All of the things that happened out in Los Angeles, the commercials and all that stuff. The position of quarterback in the NFL is such an important position and the reason these guys need to be a totally football-minded guy is the pressure of the position and being the face of an NFL team and doing everything right.


"That's the thing you want to know about him: Will he be into work early every single day? Will be the last to leave? Will he be the guy that is working the hardest to get better?"


Although private workouts for various clubs are no doubt still ahead, Manziel evaluations in the weeks leading up to the May 8 draft will likely focus heavily on what's between his ears, not what's in his throwing arm. Manziel is a possible top-10 pick, and the Vikings, with a need at quarterback and the No. 8 overall pick, are considered a strong possibility for Manziel's draft-day destination. Zimmer's remarks are right in line with what he said prior to Manziel's pro day about what will ultimately be important in his evaluation.

They're also in line with what a coach fearing he might not get a chance to draft Manziel could say to try to keep the narrative about Manziel's drawbacks alive and well.


Zimmer would be wise to do anything, of course, to help Manziel fall into Minnesota's waiting arms, if that is indeed what the club wants to do with the pick. And Zimmer wasn't finished:


"So that position has got to be a position that really eats, breaths, and sleeps football where he is going to take it upon his shoulders to win," he added. "At least the Peyton Mannings, Drew Brees's of the world have done that and really all we have to go on in the NFL is past history."


If that's a smokescreen, it's a thick one.
 
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I agree this talk about Manziel is not really news.

But this is what Zimmer chooses to say and I assumed this is approved by Spielman or he wouldn't be saying it. It is more about the gamesmanship of how the navigate public opinion as well as the other teams across the league.

Do the Vikings like Manziel enough to take him at pick 8?

I almost feel the denial is more about generating interest from other teams who may be sold on him than trying to straight up say they would not consider him an option.

If they don't want him but a team picking in the top 7 does. For example the Browns. Then they have to think again about if they can trade down and still draft him, or if he will be an option with a later pick.

For the teams below pick 8 who may want him, they have to think about if they should try to jump ahead of the Vikings or not to get him.

Most of these things will work out better for the Vikings if Manziel is drafted before their pick I think, because of the others players who would then fall if he were a top 7 pick. Either a QB that they like better than Manziel or another top player which could help the Vikings to trade down.

 
Ben Goessling ‏@GoesslingESPN

Louisville's Preston Brown will visit #Vikings on Wednesday and Thursday, he said. Grew up in Cincy watching Mike Zimmer's Bengals defenses.

I watched some of his games on draft breakdown and liked what I saw. I'm also high on Avery Williamson.

 
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BY BEN GOTZ -

APR 8TH, 2014 AT 1:17 PM

http://thevikingage.com/2014/04/08/mel-kiper-talks-vikings-draft-situation/

When it comes to the draft, the Vikings may be on the outside looking in when it comes to the top-level talent.

At least that’s the way ESPN’s Mel Kiper sees it. Kiper sees seven top-level prospects in the 2014 draft class, who he referred to as his “super seven” in a story by ESPN’s Ben Goessling. The seven prospects are pass rushers Jadeveon Clowney and Khalil Mack, offensive tackles Greg Robinson, Taylor Lewan, and Jake Matthews, and wide receivers Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans.

The fact that there are seven prospects Kiper grades above all others can’t be thrilling for the Vikings, sitting with pick No. 8. And Kiper thinks there is a drop off after those players.

“There’s your super seven,” Kiper said. “After that, I don’t see anybody that belongs in that group right now. I don’t think any of the quarterbacks do, and I don’t see any other players jumped up that far.

“To me, the seven are the consensus seven.”

Of course, even if one of those seven drops to the Vikings, they may not take them. The Vikings appear set at both offensive tackle spots with Matt Kalil and Phil Loadholt. Wide receiver is also not a position of need for the Vikings, with Greg Jennings set as a starter with young talent like Cordarrelle Patterson and Jarius Wright.

Of course, what the Vikings could do in that situation is attempt to trade down with a team in love with one of the remaining “super seven” prospects, and try to acquire extra picks. That way the team could try to squeeze extra value and attempt to draft a player that fills one of their needs.

What the Vikings need above all else is a quarterback. But Kiper finds this quarterback draft class confusing.

“It’s incredible,” Kiper said. “There are about a dozen quarterbacks that could be starters, and out of those dozen, there are some that argue that all 12 of them will never be a successful starter.

“There is a lot of quantity, but how much quality is debatable.”

Kiper made it clear that he thinks the Vikings do need to draft a quarterback at some point though, since there is little hope of long term success if they have the worst quarterback situation in their division.

“Which quarterback do [the Vikings] like? We don’t know right now,” Kiper said. “Everybody’s trying to figure that out.”

“But if [blake] Bortles is there at 8, unless they just don’t like Bortles, it would be tough to pass him up,” Kiper said.

What do you think Vikings fans? Is one of the “super seven” going to fall to the Vikings, and would you “take or trade” in that scenario? Do you agree with Kiper’s thoughts on the quarterbacks? Let me know in the comments or on Twitter @Goatman102!
I think there are more than those seven players that teams may be interested in trading up for. Aaron Donald, Anthony Barr, Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel, Blake Bortles, or Eric Ebron could be players teams are willing to move up for as well. Or a team may want to move up for a corner back like Gilbert, Dennard or Roby who the Vikings certainly will be considering too.

One such suggestion was if a team wanted to draft the top corner back on their board they might look to trade up to the Vikings pick to move ahead of Buffalo and Detroit who may be targeting a corner also.

If a team believes in Barr and has a great need for an outside pass rusher the Vikings might be able to find a trade partner that way. Similarly for Aaron Donald.

So for the most part I am hoping the Vikings can trade down as far as perhaps pick 20 while still getting a top player on their board.

If there is some truth to there being potentially 12 starting QBs in this draft class, what I think would be great to do is to try to draft 2 of those QB and let Norv work with them both. I do not really care what round they are drafted in.

I still think if one of the top 3 QB is the guy the Vikings believe in they should draft that player at 8(if he is there) and not mess around with moving down. But if they don't then they should try to trade down for more picks. I think there will be deals out there to move the pick and not drop too far out of the first round that the Vikings can't still draft an impact player.

I like Shazier a lot and think he could be a great answer to covering TE and needed speed from the LB position the Vikings are missing. I have seen him climbing mock draft boards as well. So far the highest I have seem him mocked in pick 15 but he may still be climbing.

There is CJ Mosley who could be a great pick for the Vikings as well. That would be 18 players.

I suspect a team or two may draft another one of these great WR along the way to pick 20 and there may be a pick at safety or more by then as well.

So if the QB is the franchise of the future player then draft him at 8 otherwise move down towards the 16-18 range and draft either Shazier, Mosley, one of the corners or safeties. Use the bonus pick at QB but then draft another QB with one of the later picks.

 
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I am not sure what the best scenario is for the Vikings.

1) Having their choice of all the QBs with the 8th pick. or

2) Having one the top 7 falling to them at 8 and trading down. If Mathew or Evans falls for instance, a team may want to move in front of Buffalo.

I am leaning toward the less risky scenario #1 but can't deny I am intrigued by scenario #2 especially if they still get the player they want.

 
An article on Shazier- http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/4/14/5611854/ryan-shazier-scouting-report


By Dan Kadar

Everyone is looking for the next Lavonte David, and every linebacker like Ohio State's Ryan Shazier will get compared to him. David is the ultra-productive Buccaneers linebacker who has 219 tackles in two pro seasons. He doesn't have stereotypical size for a linebacker, but he's highly athletic and has good instincts. Shazier is similar in many ways. In the 2014 NFL Draft, he's the token David comparison.


At Ohio State, Shazier finished a three-year career with 315 tackles, with more than 200 of them being of the solo variety. He led Ohio State in tackles the past two seasons and garnered numerous first-team All-American honors. He's a linebacker who can play inside or outside, and should do well at both.

That versatility makes Shazier a valuable prospect. He's a true three-down linebacker who will stay on the field even when teams opt to just play two linebackers. He's a fast-flowing athlete with good blitz moves and the type of agility that allows him to stick with receivers out of the backfield.

Coverage: Considering the natural athleticism he possesses, Shazier has the natural ability to succeed in coverage. He's capable of running with any tight end or running back, and has the flexibility to keep up with misdirection. Shazier does have a tendency to get over-aggressive in pass coverage and will bite on routes.

Instincts/Recognition: Shazier finds himself in so many plays because of his instincts. He can read a play in a hurry and has the athleticism to turn instincts into production. Has a penchant for making places. Forced four fumbles in 2013, to go along with 23.5 tackles for loss and seven sacks. It would be nice to see Shazier get a better understanding for taking on blockers. He seems to have a move in mind and won't change it based on what the blocker is doing against him.

Pass rush: As draft cohort Matthew Fairburn said on an MtD podcast, Shazier is a good blitzer, but he's not a good pass rusher. What does that mean? Shazier isn't the type of outside linebacker who should be relied on to rush the passer on a consistent basis. He's not Von Miller. However, he can really fire off the edge and get to the quarterback, particularly if it's just a running back trying to block him. A defensive end in high school, Shazier does display some decent pass rush moves, namely a dip. Ohio State also lined Shazier up with his hand on a few times in 2013. He's just not strong enough to consistently be relied on as a pass rusher.

Pursuit/Quickness: This is what helps Shazier grade out so highly and earns him the comparison to David. Shazier is obviously fast running straight line and will catch ball carriers from behind. Shazier's burst is what is most impressive. In short areas, Shazier closes on the ball carrier in a hurry to stuff a play.

Run defense: Some may look at Shazier's size and question his skill against the run. Those people would be wrong in doing so. Shazier is quick to locate the ball and closes on a developing play in a hurry. Although he's lacking sometimes as a tackler, he has shown he can take down the ball carrier in a variety of ways. Against the run, Shazier relies on shooting through gaps or beating the runner to the edge. He has trouble when he's playing the run inside and has to beat a blocker.

Strength/Tackling: Although Shazier is capable of delving a devastating hit, there are times when his tackling technique leaves something to be desired. Particularly in the Michigan State game in 2013, Shazier lunged to stop the ball carrier and fell off tackles. He's not a bad tackler necessarily, but needs to continue improving in this area. Would do well with more strength throughout his frame. When Shazier isn't getting underneath linemen, he's not strong enough to shed consistently. Still, it's hard to completely fault a player who had 144 tackles last season.

Final word: There is a lot to like about Shazier. He was a captain at Ohio State. He led the team in tackles two straight seasons. He was an All-American and semifinalist or finalist for all the big defensive awards. He's a good athlete for the position, capable of dropping into coverage or blitzing the quarterback.

Why, then, is he just a late-first or early second-round prospect?

Part of it is positional value, or lack thereof. There are some power issues with Shazier. Unless he can get stronger, it's hard to see him getting much better then he is right now. Shazier struggles to shed blockers and has some tackle technique lapses. Regardless, whatever team drafts Shazier will get a player who can step in immediately and be productive as a pro.
 
If there is some truth to there being potentially 12 starting QBs in this draft class, what I think would be great to do is to try to draft 2 of those QB and let Norv work with them both. I do not really care what round they are drafted in.
Has it ever worked out when a team has taken two QB's and the later drafted one was better?

Edit: Not a great example but Flynn > Brohm.

 
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Heath Shuler who was drafted in 1st round by Washington some 15 or so years ago and Gus Frerotte who was picked in the 7th?? round had a much better career then the bum Shuler.

 
If there is some truth to there being potentially 12 starting QBs in this draft class, what I think would be great to do is to try to draft 2 of those QB and let Norv work with them both. I do not really care what round they are drafted in.
Has it ever worked out when a team has taken two QB's and the later drafted one was better?

Edit: Not a great example but Flynn > Brohm.
I wouldn't be against this philosophy at all, especially if they trade down in the first and acquire more picks. If there isn't a consensus #1 QB, then I think it makes sense to find the "diamond in the rough" and take two shots at it...I think it would be good to draft them close together, so they can create competition instead of far apart where one of them is seen as "the guy." It is shown that you can't win in the NFL without a top QB, so they have to try and find one.

 
If there is some truth to there being potentially 12 starting QBs in this draft class, what I think would be great to do is to try to draft 2 of those QB and let Norv work with them both. I do not really care what round they are drafted in.
Has it ever worked out when a team has taken two QB's and the later drafted one was better?

Edit: Not a great example but Flynn > Brohm.
JMHO, for the time being the question isn't whether a 2nd QB drafted is likely to unseat a higher drafted QB. The Vikes' Achilles heel has been putting all their eggs in one basket without any backup plan or potential successor. For me, a lower drafted 2nd QB only needs to offer more long term potential than Ponder at QB3.

 
‏@AlbertBreer

Vikings had four QBs visit this week: Louisville's Teddy Bridgewater, Pitt's Tom Savage, UNC's Bryn Renner, Ball State's Keith Wenning.

 
Well Donnybrook, I tend to disagree with you on the Mettenberger. I would only want Bortles with our top pick from the QB position. If we couldn't get him, then I'd either trade down a few spots and grab either CB Gilbert or LB Mosley and hopefully get Mettenberger in SECOND round. No way do I see Zach getting out of 2nd round.

I would think we'll be rebuilding our defense, with most of our top picks. So I see either scenario 1 being, QB like Bortles going 1st round at 8 then CB and LB with OL (G) being our next priorities by the end of day 2. Picking up someone like LB Shazier in 2nd round, (or CB Verrett/Robey) then someone like LB Skov if we didn't get Shazier or any other LB in 2nd and a lineman soon later on with our extra 3rd.

Scenario 2 would be we go after best defensive player on the draft board, be it Gilbert or Mosley or whomever with #8 then Mettenberger in 2nd then a LB/CB in 3rd.

Norv likes his big and strong armed QBs so Bortles and Mettenberger sound like the top 2 QBs we'd be after

 
While I think Bortles could be worth the 8th overall pick, I wouldn't eliminate any of the QB prospects from possibly being the right fit for a Norv Turner offense.

I recall listening to Norv Turner talk about what he loved most about coaching pro football, I think in an interview not long after he was hired, that what he most enjoys about coaching is seeing different players with unique skills/talents and being able to see those players develop and reach their full potential.

So he is likely talking about Josh Gordon and Jordan Cameron, but he is talking about all players he has been able to work with, and players he will work with in the future.

That does not sound like the perspective of a coach who thinks only certain types of players are good fits for his system.

By John Gennaro @john_gennaro on Jun 28 2012 http://www.boltsfromtheblue.com/2012/6/28/3123443/the-story-of-norv-turner-traveling-offensive-coordinator The Offensive Coordinator Years
If this were a "Behind the Music"-type show, this would be the all-too-predictable part of the story where Norv gets tired of fame. He wants his privacy back. He wants to get away from the unrealistic expectations. He wants to get back to his roots. He wanted to get back in the lab.

Norv settled on the job as Offensive Coordinator for Mike Riley and theSan Diego Chargers. The team had just shaken up their front office, bringing in John Butler (who had built the Buffalo Bills "dynasty"), and had drafted Drew Brees and LaDainian Tomlinson. If Norv was going to rebuild his Cowboys offense anywhere, it was here.

With Doug Flutie running the show and Norv calling the plays, the San Diego offense went from 28th best in the league to 11th. Tomlinson finished his rookie season with 1,600 yards from scrimmage and 10 TDs. Brees showed the potential to be the next Troy Aikman. The problem was Mike Riley.

Riley was not meant for the NFL. His coaching style was timid and it came back to bite him in butt at the end of games. The 2001 Chargers finished the season 5-11 despite having the lead in many of those games in the fourth quarter. Butler demanded a better Head Coach to rebuild this team and got one when he hired Marty Schottenheimer.

Unfortunately, Marty wanted to bring in his own guy to run the offense. That guy was Indiana Univiersity Head Coach Cam Cameron. Norv was once again without a position despite performing his job well. He quickly found a suitor for his services when he was hired by Dave Wannstedt to be the Offensive Coordinator for the Miami Dolphins.

In Norv's first year in Miami, Ricky Williams had over 2,200 yards from scrimmage and 17 TDs. The offense itself wasn't great, it was led by Jay Fiedler and the best receiving target was the inconsistent Chris Chambers, but it was good enough. The team finished 9-7 and 10-6 in Norv's two seasons there, but missed the playoffs both times due to the competitive AFC East. They have made the playoffs just once in the eight seasons since.

Grade: B

When you hear people saying of Norv that the man is "a good Offensive Coordinator, but a Head Coach", they're going off of Norv's unblemished record of improving offenses (often without any real talent). He did it with the Chargers in one season, and it would've been fun to watch what he could've done as the Offensive Coordinator once Marty came in and Drew Brees took over the starting job from Flutie.

After getting Ricky Williams to finally reach his potential, Norv found himself a position with the Oakland Raiders...
Given Norv's history of working with Flutie in 2001 and likely having some influence on the Chargers drafting Drew Brees does not cause me to think that a smaller mobile QB would be a no go in a Norv Turner offense.

 
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Well Donnybrook, I tend to disagree with you on the Mettenberger. I would only want Bortles with our top pick from the QB position. If we couldn't get him, then I'd either trade down a few spots and grab either CB Gilbert or LB Mosley and hopefully get Mettenberger in SECOND round. No way do I see Zach getting out of 2nd round.
Lance Zierlein pulled no punches when described Zach Mettenberg as a "pocket sloth". If people actual took the time to watch some of his tape people would see that he is a sitting duck the complete opposite of Russel Wilson. People will say that Zach has superior height and has a strongest arm in this draft class. Good for him. So does Josh Freeman and he can't find work even as a backup. How does Mettenberger draft stock get so inflated when he has done (albeit due to injury) absolutely nothing in the post season to improve it. In order for him to look ordinary in college all he needed was a good oline, great WRs and an awesome defense. He will look less than ordinary when he does not have all that in the NFL.

 
Norv Turner - Watch the video from this link. 5 min mark but the whole interview is a good one: http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Five-Things-In-A-Norv-Turner-Offense/b2e51c96-a157-4352-858e-99618ae34b0e

"I dont have to answer questions like that anymore.

The one thing that's been proven, (proven by the Superbowl) QBs come from different spots, A 3rd rounder wins the Superbowl, there are some pretty good players who were not drafted high, I don't know.. everyone is in agreement that we want to add a young QB to this organization... just got to make sure you get a good one when you get them.

1st of all, it's a given, that you have to get, you know? A guy who has the skillset that you need, and then to me, the guys who come on the fastest are the guys who are put in a good situation. With good people around them. Now obviously we just talked about it, Seattle, when you have the number one defense in the league, it makes playing the QB positon a lot easier.

A guy has to stand on his own. But when you have good people around him, it certainly helps.

I think this league has gotten to the point, where the mental part is really really critical, guys who can grasp concepts, who can make quick decisions, who understand how to play the game, and thats easier said than done. Then after that, the physical skillset to play, to me accuracy is important, as any skill as a passer, you look at all of the great ones and the starting point is accuracy, and people get caught up in arm strength, but you know, when a guys open, being able to hit him, and the guys who can play under the combination of physical pressure, and the mental pressure of playing the game.

You know I coached Drew Brees as a rookie (Brees was a 2nd round pick btw) and he had a knack for finding things, seeing things and Russell Wilson does a great job of moving and finding things, so I don't think height limits you, the guy you may be most familiar with that I coached was Brad Johnson, and he was a taller guy, so I think that there are so many different body types who can play and who have played well, that I don't get caught up in that."
 
Thanks for posting that Biabreakalbe. I have listen to that interview several times since he made it over a month ago. The supposed Norv Turner QB has been typecasted a little too often. In the interview it sounds like he describing Jimmy Garoppolo more than Zach Mettenberger.

 
Vikings: On Zimmer, Turner, finding QBs

March, 26, 2014
By Ben Goessling | ESPN.com http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/5798/vikings-on-zimmer-turner-finding-qbs

MINNEAPOLIS -- As the Minnesota Vikings are interviewing quarterback prospects before the NFL draft, offensive coordinator Norv Turner is using a drill he's employed for years in learning about how quickly a player can digest an NFL playbook.

Turner will diagram a handful of plays, with different permutations of personnel and protection schemes, and then turn things around, asking the quarterback prospect to pick several plays and walk through how they're supposed to work. That drill, in addition to teaching the Vikings about their draft options, has been educational for new head coach Mike Zimmer.

"We’ve been working out these quarterbacks, and we go over the offense with these players," Zimmer told reporters at the NFL owners meetings in Orlando on Wednesday. "That’s actually helped. I’ll sit in there, we’ll talk about the offense, and after we get done, I’ll ask him, ‘Why are we doing it this way? This makes more sense to me.’ And we talk about it. He’s been doing it for a long time, so he’s got a lot of good points."

It's clear that as the Vikings determine when to take a quarterback in this year's draft, they're going to lean heavily on Turner's expertise. He helped develop Troy Aikman in Dallas, worked out Drew Brees when the Chargers drafted him and was San Diego's head coach during Philip Rivers' formative seasons. In an organization with a defensive-minded head coach in Zimmer and a general manager who admittedly has struggled at picking quarterbacks (Rick Spielman), Turner's opinion will carry plenty of weight this spring.

From what Zimmer said on Wednesday, though, it appears Turner will have the freedom to do his work in a cooperative structure that, if it works, will succeed because Turner's not itching to be a head coach again and Zimmer's not afraid to admit what he doesn't know. From the Vikings' approach to free agency this offseason and from what Zimmer said on Wednesday, it's been clear the coach's first job this spring has been attending to a defense that gave up more points than any in the league last season. Because of that, Zimmer said, he hasn't been in the offensive meeting room as much as he'd like.

He has Turner, though, who has had three head coaching jobs and seems to relish a coordinator's work, away from the glare of the top job, at age 61.

"I don’t think he wants to be the head coach. I think he wants to be the offensive coordinator. It’s easier," Zimmer said. "If someone wants your job, it’s a little bit harder to handle those kinds of things. But I’ve felt great with Norv."

Zimmer said when he first took the job that he didn't want to simply be a defensive coach and leave the offense to someone else, and one of his first big tasks as a head coach is his ability to jump from overseeing a defense to managing a whole team. But he said again on Wednesday how it was important for him to get an experienced coordinator like Turner, and it's clear Zimmer is using Turner as a resource as much as he's delegating to him.

"I think that was why it was so important I got Norv in here," Zimmer said. "I’ve spent a lot of time with Norv in the last month and a half. I just go sit in his office, and we talk about the quarterbacks, we talk about the draft, we talk about how we use Adrian Peterson, all those types of scenarios."

As that partnership relates to evaluating quarterbacks, it sounds like Zimmer will leave much of the technical work to Turner. The coach's sphere of influence, then, will come more in judging what kind of a leader his quarterback can be. As Zimmer mentioned, he played quarterback in high school, and he'll be able to lean on Turner. It sounds, though, like the coach has a fairly specific persona he's looking for in a quarterback.

"For me, it's the character of the guy. Will this guy lead our football team?" Zimmer said. "I want to make sure that the guy we bring in has the athletic ability but I also want him to have my persona. Because him and I are going to be tied together, whoever we draft. I don't want him to be a completely different personality from me if I can help it. I want this guy to be a leader and a guy who wants to take a bunch a guys and make a great franchise.

"I want him to be the first one in the building. These are a lot of things that I talk to them about and try to figure out how smart he is. All of these quarterbacks have played great in college and all of them could be the guy. The ones that don't make it are the ones when the lights come on and things are moving and he has to react and put the ball in the right place. How do you judge that? That's the biggest thing. How do we figure that out? If any of these teams could figure that out, that would be the right thing."

  • We talked in the story about the issue of short quarterbacks, and after talking to Turner and Colts GM Ryan Grigson in particular, the sense I got is that smart teams aren't dismissing short QBs simply because they're short -- they're looking to see how many batted balls come about because of a quarterback's stature. In some ways, shorter quarterbacks actually fare better here, because they've already learned how to compensate for their lack of height. In fact, Brees and Russell Wilson were tied for just 21st in the league in batted passes last season, with six each, according to Pro Football Focus. The leaders? The 6-foot-2 Chad Henne (with 20), the 6-2 Matthew Stafford (with 17) and the 6-5 Matt Ryan (with 14). Said Turner of Brees: "He'd been playing like that his whole life. It's not like he was 6-4 or you're going to make him 6-4. He understood how to play that way. He created lanes, he moved and he was very competitive against the rush. That's what it comes down to: that ability to visualize. You don't have to actually see the guy running free -- you 'see' him, you see where the defense is and you know where you're going to throw it." http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/5613/outtakes-from-hot-read-on-qb-evaluation
 
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I believe Kyle Fuller would be the perfect fit for the Vikings opposite Rhodes so much so that I wouldn't object if the Vikings made another Corderelle Patterson type trade to get back into the first to get him.

 
I would love for the Vikings to almost complete their secondary by using a high pick at corner. There are a lot of corners in the draft that I think can play outside and help the Vikings defense be pretty solid all around with the weak spot then becoming Sanford/Sendejo. Which would not be that bad. Sherels/Robinson would then be the dime which Robinson I think is ok as long as the Vikings do not ask him to play slot corner.

But I think drafting a linebacker who can cover is an even higher priority. So if the choice were between Fuller or another defensive back and Mosley or Shazier. I would prefer to have the linebacker.

I just cannot think that Greenway, Cole/Mauti, Hodges are players the Vikings want playing a lot of downs. Cole is the only one who has shown any coverage ability. Teams love exploiting the Greenway match up. I think all of these guys need upgrading.

Also there are more prospects at safey/corner that can be had later on in the draft than I think there are LB who can come in and start right away. So it is less likely in my opinion to find a starting quality LB in round 3 compared to a CB. But maybe I just do not like waiting that long when there is such a clear need.

The Vikings had the opportunity to draft a LB last season in Ogletree, Kiko Alonso, Arthur Brown, Sio Moore that would have been options if the Vikings had not traded up for Patterson.

Passing on the position again, relying on 5th round or later talent will prevent the defense from being able to improve moreso than passing on a corner will imo.

 
But I think drafting a linebacker who can cover is an even higher priority. So if the choice were between Fuller or another defensive back and Mosley or Shazier. I would prefer to have the linebacker.
Vikings would most likely have to trade up for Mosely or Shazier as well. The best available at 2.08 could possible be Van Noy but I still think a CB is a higher priority. Vikings are in a division with Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Jordy Nelson etc. Rhodes is the only player on the roster that has a chance to match up with them. Derek Cox has a chance to redeem himself but realistically I think they need to look at him as the AJ Jefferson of this years lineup.

When I look at Fuller, I see a potential pro-bowl caliber corner with decent size. Obviously Varrett and Roby are good players as well but can expect them to cover the bigger NFC north wide receivers. Vikings could look at McGill, Baptiste or Desir in the third round but you have to question whether they have the short area quickness to stay with NFL caliber wide outs.

 
Not if the Vikings traded down from pick 8.

If QB is the pick in the 1st round then those 2 LB are likely not options. So then defensive back in the second may be the best player if those 2 are gone.

 
Well Donnybrook, I tend to disagree with you on the Mettenberger. I would only want Bortles with our top pick from the QB position. If we couldn't get him, then I'd either trade down a few spots and grab either CB Gilbert or LB Mosley and hopefully get Mettenberger in SECOND round. No way do I see Zach getting out of 2nd round.
Lance Zierlein pulled no punches when described Zach Mettenberg as a "pocket sloth". If people actual took the time to watch some of his tape people would see that he is a sitting duck the complete opposite of Russel Wilson. People will say that Zach has superior height and has a strongest arm in this draft class. Good for him. So does Josh Freeman and he can't find work even as a backup. How does Mettenberger draft stock get so inflated when he has done (albeit due to injury) absolutely nothing in the post season to improve it. In order for him to look ordinary in college all he needed was a good oline, great WRs and an awesome defense. He will look less than ordinary when he does not have all that in the NFL.

Oh I understand what you say about Mettenberger, here and previously in other posts here. I honestly have faith in Norv to be able to correct whatever issues any QB has that we draft. Even the head-case Freeman too, if he was here but now that's a moot point.

Bottom line is we will most likely get a QB before the end of the 3rd round and I see most of our draft picks going on Defense.
 
Draft: Covering 2014 defensive backsBy By The Sports Xchange
Published On: Apr 17 2014 05:08:12 PM CDT
Updated On: Apr 17 2014 05:08:13 PM CDT

http://m.wsbt.com/sports/Draft-Covering-2014-defensive-backs/25539554

Bigger, better, badder.

In direct response to pro football's prolific passing antics, and to the dismay of old school English teachers, that describes the talented class of defensive backs in the 2014 NFL Draft

According to projections by NFLDraftscout.com, seven defensive backs -- including two safeties -- are first-round prospects in the NFL Draft that begins May 8 and as many as 16 could be grabbed in the first two rounds.

The cornerbacks are led by Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert and Michigan State's Darqueze Dennard. An unusually strong group of safeties is topped by Alabama's Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Louisville's Calvin Pryor. All four could be among the first 20 players selected.

In homage to the tone set by the Super Bowl champion Seattle Seahawks, led by cornerback Richard Sherman's rough-housing style, this draft group is larger and more physical than most previous draft classes, with six of the top 11 corners at least six feet tall and the top five safeties all between 5-foot-11 and 6-1.

Not only are these defensive backs set to test those wide-open offenses, but despite league desires to the contrary, there is nothing safe about the brutal hitting ability of the top safeties in this class.

Here is a closer look at the defensive backs projected to be selected among the top 100 as rated by NFLDrafScout.com (Free and strong safety prospects are differentiated as FS and SS).

Pos. Rank/Overall Rank/Player/Position/School/Height/Weight/40 time/Proj. Round

CORNERBACKS

1/11. Justin Gilbert, Oklahoma State, 6-0, 202, 4.37, 1.

Texas prep sensation as quarterback, defensive back, returner, track star, basketball player, Gilbert's overall athleticism continues to be his best asset. However, he must show he is willing to maintain high level of play after admittedly becoming complacent in 2012 after a great 2011 season. He stood out again in 2013 with six interceptions, including two for touchdowns, and a 100-yard kickoff return. Although his announced 40-yard time of 4.37 seconds was the fastest among a curiously slow group of defensive backs at the combine, his best clocking at Indy was actually 4.31 seconds.

Frankly: Gilbert is no shut-down, in-your-face corner, but he will serve well in zones or off-man coverage where he can keep everything in front of him, then maximize his athleticism.

2/16. Darqueze Dennard, Michigan State, 5-11, 199, 4.51, 1

After injury-marred 2012 season, Dennard exploded in 2013 to demoralize several offenses and win numerous awards, including the Jim Thorpe, Tatum-Woodson, and first-team All-America. Tough, plays with pain, but history of injuries dating back to 2010 could concern teams (sports hernia required two surgeries, shoulder, ankle, knee). Prepares hard, plays harder and excels at press-and-run. Although his announced 40-yard time at combine was 4.51 seconds, he had four clockings there between 4.41 and 4.42, which is a bit more comforting to scouts who dwell on such things.

Frankly: Dennard has the talent, attitude and short memory needed to survive in NFL, but may need to be more sly when man-handling receivers.

3/27. Kyle Fuller , Virginia Tech, 6-0, 190, 4.49, 1-2

Fuller plays like a natural who has the athleticism to cover and the aggressiveness to play the run. Had sports hernia surgery in November, missed final six games and Senior Bowl. Quiet team leader, brother of former Tennessee Titan Vincent Fuller and younger brother Kendall is a sophomore to watch with Hokies this year.

Frankly: A solid player against pass and in run support, Fuller has efficient, functional speed (bests of 4.40 and 4.42 seconds at combine), excellent leaping ability (38.5-inch vertical) and a knack at finding the ball.

4/29. Jason Verrett, TCU, 5-10, 189, 4.38, 1-2

Fluid, natural athlete with smooth transition on flip and aggressive approach mentally, physically. Has that rare ability to blanket even the quickest receiver. Selected first-team All-America on several lists, second team by Associated Press. Allowed LSU's nifty Odell Beckham Jr. (projected as first-round pick by NFLDraftScout.com) only one catch.

Frankly: Verrett's startling physical ability and apparent toughness belies fact that he is still maturing and learning skills to cope both on and off the field.

5/31. *Bradley Roby, Ohio State, 5-11, 194, 4.39, 1-2

After redshirting the 2010 season as a true freshman, Roby started all 13 games at cornerback in 2011 and quickly flashed his world class speed while leading team with three interceptions. He sat out 2013 opener (suspension after arrest for battery in bar fight) and shook off a so-so start to register a good season. Had more than his share of bothersome injuries the last two years.

Frankly: Roby is gifted when it comes to doing the hard things, like mirroring receivers, but a lack of discipline and focus get him into trouble against inferior players.

6/51. Lamarcus Joyner, Florida State, 5-08, 184, 4.55, 2

Small and not really blazing fast, but Joyner is a football junky with an innate feel for the game. High school phenom at prep powerhouse St. Thomas Acquinas, where he was USA Today's National Defensive Player of the Year as a senior. Joyner played safety and corner in a college career that included 15 pass deflections, eight interceptions and an average of 24.23 yards on kickoffs.

Frankly: Joyner plays much bigger than he measures, hits like the linebacker he was in high school, and his shocking zero-to-gone acceleration will help as a returner.

7/56. Phillip Gaines, Rice, 6-0, 193, 4.38, 2

Two-time, All-CUSA selection set a school career record by breaking up 38 passes, 27 in last two years. Played in 52 career games, started 40, including the final 35 consecutive. In 2013, targeted 40 times, allowed 13 catches and stole four passes. Missed best chance to show skills when suspended for season opener vs. Texas A&M's Johnny Manziel-to-Mike Evans tandem. Added eight pounds to get to 193 at combine and probably could handle -- and use -- more of the same.

Frankly: Gaines has the skills, speed (Indy best of 4.31 seconds in 40 yards) and discipline to be an NFL starter, but his most intriguing trait is getting to the ball on so many plays.

8/63. *Marcus Roberson, Florida, 6-0, 191, 4.61, 2

Physical in coverage, aggressive in pursuit and plays with attitude. Like Florida State's Lamarcus Joyner (sixth-rated CB by NFLDraftScout.com), Roberson is a product of prep powerhouse St. Thomas Aquinas (15-0 his senior year). Injuries a concern (fractured C6 vertebrae in 2011; hurt knee in 2013) and he could use more bulk on lanky frame.

Frankly: Roberson can play in the NFL if he learns to work in space without losing track of the action and he must also refine his hands-on work downfield to avoid penalties.

9/74. Keith McGill, Utah, 6-3, 211, 4.51, 2-3

Former JUCO All-America safety at Cerritos, McGill lasted only five games there with the Utes before a shoulder injury dictated a move to cornerback. McGill shows field awareness of a safety and even baits quarterbacks to throw underneath routes where he excels at closing on the ball. Uses height and long arms well, but lacks unbridled enthusiasm on run support.

Frankly: Curiously reminiscent of Nnamdi Asomugha (Cal, Raiders, Eagles, 49ers), who maximized his height and ball skills as a boundary-style cornerback to make All-Pro. Like Asomugha, McGill seems more suited for safety except for that bad shoulder, which may explain why neither of them will be remembered as a big hitter.

10/78. *Bashaud Breeland, Clemson, 5-11, 197, 4.62, 2-3

Breeland may not be ready to step in as a starter, but he has above-average skills across the board while lacking blinding speed. After being hampered by a groin injury in 2012, Breeland was impressive as a junior last season with 17 passes defensed, four interceptions and 74 tackles, including five for a loss. Lack of elite speed should limit his use to off-man and zone coverage and even then he needs work on technique.

Frankly: Breeland is aggressive and willing, but maybe not able to handle the speed at the next level. His exceptional ball skills may not be a factor if he is a full step behind in a game of inches.

11/86. Stanley Jean-Baptiste, Nebraska, 6-3, 218, 4.61, 2-3

Jean-Baptiste is a big athlete in search of a position. Well-traveled, former wide receiver (at Miami Central High, North Carolina Tech Prep and Fort Scott Community College), Jean-Baptiste saw no action while listed as a receiver at Nebraska in 2010 and had only one catch in 2011 before transitioning to corner for nine games. His previous experience as defensive back was at safety at Miami Central. Made a lot of plays in college just on pure athletic ability, which was abundantly evident at combine workouts that included best vertical jump of 41.5 inches.

Frankly: In that inevitable search for the NFL's next Richard Sherman, Jean-Babtiste fits the role as if from central casting, complete with switch from wide receiver. But he lacks Sherman's physicality and instincts and his best shot may be as a safety.

12/93. Pierre Desir, Lindenwood, 6-1, 198, 4.59, 3

Haitian-born, Desir moved to U. S. when he was four and spent youth playing soccer, the sport in which his father, Wilfrid, starred. But while playing football at two Mid-American Intercollegiate Athletic Association (MIAA) colleges -- Washburn and Lindenwood -- Desir showed natural ability and collected 25 career interceptions. Fluid, flexible mature athlete with wife and two children who dominated low level competition.

Frankly: Best MIAA prospect since? Of course you said Pittsburg State's DE Troy Wilson (21 sacks in 1991 to help win DII National Championship; 46 career sacks from 89-92; drafted in seventh round by San Francisco in 1993, in time to win a Super Bowl ring after 1994 season).

13/95. Jaylen Watkins, Florida, 6-0, 194, 4.41, 3

Older half brother of Clemson wide receiver and top-10 draft prospect Sammy Watkins, Jaylen showed family's elite athletic genetics since he was a versatile football star at Cape Coral, Fla., High as dual threat quarterback, wide receiver and, oh yes, cornerback. Showed ability last season to play both corner and safety. At combine he clocked 40 yards in 4.41 seconds; 10 yards in 1.50 second and benched 225 pounds 22 times -- all better marks than his highly-rated little brother.

Frankly: Watkins does not seem like a gamble as a natural football player with the chance of playing either cornerback or safety. Hey, how about emergency quarterback?

14/100. Rashaad Reynolds, Oregon State, 5-10, 189, 4.51, 3-4

This former star quarterback at San Fernando High School (Pacoima, Calif.) had to beg to play cornerback and they are thankful at Oregon State, where he played 50 games, starting his final 38 at right corner. Tough, three-time city prep wrestling champ with excellent coverage techniques and great character as leader on the field and in community. Last year he overcame a knee injury to collect 61 tackles, six interceptions and two fumbles returned for a score in one game.

Frankly: Forget his height, or lack thereof, just put him on the field and watch him give a clinic in how this position is supposed to be played.

SAFETIES

1 Free Safety/17 overall. *Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Alabama, 6-1, 208, 4.58, 1

Clinton-Dix's instincts and ability to diagnose seem better than his athletic ability, which is considerable. His rare combination of size, speed, aggression and ball skills mark him as a potential future NFL star. He was suspended for two games last year -- vs. Georgia State and Kentucky -- for taking an improper loan from an assistant strength coach. But if he plays up to his potential, Clinton-Dix won't need to borrow money for a while.

Frankly: Birth name is Ha'Sean. Grandmother gave him the unusual name he goes by, but that talent is nothing to laugh at.

2 Free Safety/20. *Calvin Pryor, Louisville, 5-11, 207, 4.58, 1

Pryor was a hard-hitting junior who compiled 69 tackles, 5.5 for a loss, three interceptions and two forced fumbles. In conference play, Pryor ranked 16th in tackles for all positions with 50, or 7.1 per game. He teamed with Hakeem Smith to create perhaps the best safety tandem in the country for 2013.

Frankly: If you want a hitter, Pryor is your man. What he lacks in instinct, he makes up for in raw, relentless aggression.

1 Strong Safety/41. Jimmie Ward, Northern Illinois, 5-11, 193, 4.48, 2

Ward has football smarts and puts himself in position to succeed, using his speed and range to cover the deep half of the field. He came off a 95-tackle, seven interception senior season at NIU and then further impressed scouts at the Senior Bowl. NFLDdraftScout.com's Rob Rang said Ward was the Senior Bowl's most impressive pass defender. He set school-record with three punt blocks as a freshman in 2010

Frankly: In an NFL deep in destructive tight ends, Ward would be a first round pick if he were a bit taller and that is saying a lot for a strong safety.

3FS/71. Terrence Brooks, Florida State, 5-11, 198, 4.42, 2-3

Swiss Army knife on the back seven. Former cornerback who can match up well with those pesky slot receivers and yet an enforcer who can hit like a linebacker. Brooks is a serious-minded, weight-room fanatic who will light up opponents on special teams.

Frankly: Want to toughen up your defense? Brooks will be happy to set the tone regardless of where you line him up.

2SS/82. Deone Bucannon, Washington State, 6-1, 211, 4.49, 2-3

Bucannon may have set an unofficial record for noisy collisions during a truly impactful four years in which he played in every game. Last year was named first-team All-American after 78 solo tackles, three forced fumbles and six interceptions.

Frankly: Nevermind his lack of agility, so-so reaction time in coverage and occasional missed tackle. Put him on the field and listen for the wind being knocked out of runners, receivers as if hit by a Mike Tyson body punch.

--Frank Cooney, founder and publisher of The Sports Xchange and NFLDraftScout.com, covered the NFL and the draft since the 1960s and is a selector for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
I like Reynolds and Brooks as players who might be available in the 3rd round.

 
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Good posting. Here is another more extensive rankings from Draft Insider: http://www.draftinsider.net/rankings/2014/CB

Sometimes I wonder if McGill and Jean-Baptiste might be better as safety projects than corners. Probably just wishful thinking because there are no Cam Chancellor type safeties in this class. Vikings D was woeful vs tight ends. Jordan Cameron looked like he could score at will even when Harrison Smith was in the lineup.

I have been watching a little of tape on some of the Corners. Some of the lower ranked players that impressed me were Walt Aikens, Robert Nelson Jr and Jabari Price. Not that means much but I will be watching to see where they end up.

 
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Vikings Draft Interest Round-Up: QuarterbacksBY BEN GOTZ -

APR 16TH, 2014 AT 5:35 PMhttp://thevikingage.com/2014/04/16/vikings-draft-interest-round-quarterbacks/

The Vikings have been extremely thorough this offseason when it comes to looking at quarterbacks, so much so that it was very hard to keep track of all the passers they expressed interest in.

So far, it looks like the team has met or plans to meet 13 different quarterback prospects. The only two quarterbacks likely to be drafted that haven’t been linked to the Vikings yet are Tom Savage of Pittsburgh and Brett Smith of Wyoming.

Luckily, if you missed any reported meetings or workouts, I’ve got you’ve covered! I’ve done my best to look up every reported meeting the Vikings have had with the quarterbacks of the 2014 draft class, and documented it below. I’ve listed my source when information was not reported by multiple sources.

I’ll try to keep this page updated before the draft begins in May, so feel free to bookmark this page for when new information comes out!

Of course, this is not a comprehensive list, as the Vikings have likely had plenty of meetings with quarterbacks that the media didn’t get wind of. For instance, ESPN’s Ben Goessling reported at the combine that the Vikings were set to meet with eight or nine quarterbacks in Indianapolis, but I was only able to find out five names.

It goes without saying that extra attention to some of these quarterbacks isn’t necessarily indicative or extra interest on the part of the Vikings. For instance, Teddy Bridgewater is the only quarterback the Vikings have brought to Winter Park so far, but it could mean that the team simply isn’t sure where he ranks in this class. Keep in mind, the Vikings drafted Xavier Rhodes last year after not contacting him throughout the entire process.

Here are all the quarterbacks the Vikings have expressed interest in below, in alphabetical order. If I was able to find out which team officials the prospect met with I have included those too.

Blake Bortles , UCF: Combine Interview (Orlando Sentinel), Pro Day, Private Workout

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Mike Zimmer, Rick Spielman, Norv Turner

Viking Age Draft Profile

Tajh Boyd, Clemson: Senior Bowl Meeting (bringmethenews.com)

Vikings Meeting Contingent: Scott Turner (ohio.com)

Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville: Pro Day, Private Workout, Winter Park Visit

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Zimmer, Spielman, Norv Turner

Viking Age Draft Profile

Derek Carr, Fresno State: Senior Bowl Meeting (bringmethenews.com), Pro Day

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Zimmer, Spielman, Norv Turner

Viking Age Draft Profile

David Fales, San Jose State: Live Game (Star Tribune), Private Workout

Game Contingent: Rick Spielman (San Jose State vs. Minnesota)

Vikings Private Workout Contingent: Spielman, Norv Turner

Jimmy Garopollo, Eastern Illinois: Senior Bowl Meeting (Star Tribune), Pro Day, Private Workout

Vikings Meeting Contingent: Mike Zimmer, Scott Turner

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Scott Studwell

Viking Age Draft Profile

Johnny Manziel, Texas A&M: Combine Interview, Pro Day, Private Workout

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Zimmer, Spielman, Norv Turner, Scott Turner

Viking Age Draft Profile

AJ McCarron, Alabama: Pro Day, Private Workout

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Zimmer, Spielman, Norv Turner

Zach Mettenberger, LSU: Combine Interview (Walter Football), Pro Day, Private Workout

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: Zimmer, Spielman, Norv Turner

Aaron Murray, Georgia: Pro Day

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: unnamed scout (Master Tesfatsion of the Star Tribune)

Bryn Renner, North Carolina: Winter Park Visit (Albert Breer of NFL Network)

Tom Savage, Pittsburgh: Winter Park Visit (Albert Breer)

Connor Shaw, South Carolina: Combine Interview (Ben Goesslign at ESPN), Pro Day

Vikings Pro Day Contingent: unnamed scout

Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech: Senior Bowl Meeting (bringmethenews.com), Combine Interview, Private Workout (Star Tribune)

Vikings Private Workout Contingent: Norv Turner, Scott Turner

Keith Wenning, Ball State: Private Workout (Baltimore Sun)
QBs Savage and Renner Visited the Vikings this WeekBY BEN GOTZ -

APR 18TH, 2014 AT 8:07 PMhttp://thevikingage.com/2014/04/18/qbs-savage-renner-visited-vikings-week/

If the Vikings fail to find a quarterback in this year’s draft, it won’t be for lack of trying.

Pittsburgh quarterback Tom Savage and North Carolina quarterback Bryn Renner both paid the Vikings a visit this week, according to Albert Breer of NFL Network.

With those two names now linked to the Vikings, the Vikings have had contact with at least 15 different quarterback prospects throughout this offseason (you can find the full list here). The two were in town for the Vikings annual “Top 30″ event, along with quarterback prospects Teddy Bridgewater and Keith Wenning, according to Breer.

Tom Savage

Savage’s name has been rocketing up draft boards in the last couple of weeks, and reports have now surfaced that he could come off the board early in the second round of the draft.

The fact that Savage’s stock is so high is very interesting because he had a very up and down college career. After losing his starting job at Rutgers due to injury, Savage transferred to Arizona, and then transferred again to Pittsburgh when Arizona’s head coach left.

Savage’s numbers were not eye-popping during his senior season, as he passed for just 2,598 yards and 21 touchdowns, to go along with nine interceptions. Savage completed just over 61 percent of his passes in 2013, after completing around 52 percent his first two years of college.

Savage’s production was limited due to a shaky offensive line in front of him, as he was sacked 43 times.

Still, scouts see great size (6-foot-5, 230 pounds) and a plus arm in Savage, and it sounds like he’s considered a “project” that many coaches would like to work on. Savage has some of the raw tools and size you want in a quarterback prospect, he just hasn’t put it together on the field yet.

Bryn Renner

Renner is a potential late round pick the Vikings could be interested in, depending on how quickly he bounced back from a shoulder injury in November. Renner ended up playing in only seven games his senior season after being knocked out in early November.

In those games, Renner completed close to 66 percent of his passes for 1765 yards with ten touchdowns and five interceptions.

Renner has solid size for a quarterback prospect at 6-foot-3, 228 pounds. Renner fits the mold of a traditional pocket quarterback, though he has played in both pro style and spread systems during his time in college.

Renner was medically cleared to perform all exercises at the Combine, but it’s possible the Vikings wanted to have their personal doctors take a look at his shoulder before potentially spending a late round pick on him.

If Renner is not drafted, it’s possible the Vikings would make him a priority undrafted free agent as potential camp arm.
 
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The only two quarterbacks likely to be drafted that haven’t been linked to the Vikings yet are Garrett Gilbert of SMU and Brett Smith of Wyoming. :kicksrock:

 

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