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*** Official 2013 Packers Off Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

'meyerj31 said:
'Tony Jabroni said:
Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.

:popcorn:
That's all well and good ... we know the overall contract value will be absurd ... but I'm wondering how it will be structured. I hope there is enough flexibility in there for GB to fill positions of need over the next couple of years.The Packers have the 6th most cap space for 2013 at the moment. Some of that will be needed to pay the rookies but I'm guessing they could absorb more of a front-loaded (or evenly loaded) contract than other teams with high-priced QBs. I would favor that strategy, as opposed to the usual method of continually pushing money out and then rebuilding in 5 years when it all crashes down.
TT is a smart guy. Let's all hope he does the logical thing. I am deeply worried though.....that it will be really tough for us to keep a good enough core of talent around Rodgers if he's going to consumer $15-20M of cap space each year. That is a gigantic number.
You're not close, Schefter said he heard 4 years for 100 million. 25 million per year
Ouch. I mean, he's the best player in the game but that's a -wow- number. There's gotta be some way they are moving that around with cap numbers. How can a team be a Super Bowl contender by dedicating $25M per year to one player every year? I know they'll always be competitive with Rodgers at the helm but that's a lot of eggs to put in one basket.

I thought they were going to go like 6 years 22M per just to get over the flashy number Flacco received, and re-visit the contract in a few years to keep a healthy cap.

Rodgers is receiving ~10M cap hit this year so another $15M would take up virtually all of the cap space available. I think the Packers only have $18M in cap space right now. That can't possibly be how they are structuring it.

 
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'meyerj31 said:
'Tony Jabroni said:
Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.

:popcorn:
That's all well and good ... we know the overall contract value will be absurd ... but I'm wondering how it will be structured. I hope there is enough flexibility in there for GB to fill positions of need over the next couple of years.The Packers have the 6th most cap space for 2013 at the moment. Some of that will be needed to pay the rookies but I'm guessing they could absorb more of a front-loaded (or evenly loaded) contract than other teams with high-priced QBs. I would favor that strategy, as opposed to the usual method of continually pushing money out and then rebuilding in 5 years when it all crashes down.
TT is a smart guy. Let's all hope he does the logical thing. I am deeply worried though.....that it will be really tough for us to keep a good enough core of talent around Rodgers if he's going to consumer $15-20M of cap space each year. That is a gigantic number.
You're not close, Schefter said he heard 4 years for 100 million. 25 million per year
And how much of it is bonuses...$25 mil per averaged out with that total number does not mean $25mil per in a cap hit.It all depends how its structured.

 
'meyerj31 said:
'Tony Jabroni said:
Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.

:popcorn:
That's all well and good ... we know the overall contract value will be absurd ... but I'm wondering how it will be structured. I hope there is enough flexibility in there for GB to fill positions of need over the next couple of years.The Packers have the 6th most cap space for 2013 at the moment. Some of that will be needed to pay the rookies but I'm guessing they could absorb more of a front-loaded (or evenly loaded) contract than other teams with high-priced QBs. I would favor that strategy, as opposed to the usual method of continually pushing money out and then rebuilding in 5 years when it all crashes down.
TT is a smart guy. Let's all hope he does the logical thing. I am deeply worried though.....that it will be really tough for us to keep a good enough core of talent around Rodgers if he's going to consumer $15-20M of cap space each year. That is a gigantic number.
You're not close, Schefter said he heard 4 years for 100 million. 25 million per year
And how much of it is bonuses...$25 mil per averaged out with that total number does not mean $25mil per in a cap hit.It all depends how its structured.
Obviously. None of the above estimates are my words, directly from schefter.
 
Matthews about $13 mil per year. I expect Rodgers to be in the $22-24 mil range. That's a large chunk of the salary cap between the two.

 
Matthews about $13 mil per year. I expect Rodgers to be in the $22-24 mil range. That's a large chunk of the salary cap between the two.
The price of actually having guys worth it I guess.

Matthews deal is an extension that runs through 2018...so i think it brings his number under $13.

Seems like it is very front loaded (something like 20-30 guaranteed the first few years).

So, seems likely they will give Rodgers a nice bonus and backload his (knowing they will have to probably renegotiate the deal which could get tricky years down the road).

 
Finley underrated. This is his year with the new offense (Cobb, Finley, Nelson era.) IMO the best target out of anyone in the red zone for GB.

 
What is GB doing in the draft?

-I can see any OL(even RT, they could potentially flip Bulaga to LT).

-RB

-WR(Jones UFA after the year and Nelson after 2014)

-TE(Finley UFA after the year)

-DL(Worthy being injured and could use a playmaker here cough Margus Hunt cough)

-LB(Nick Perry didn't pan out year one, sounds like OLB is still a need)

-CB(slot CB is solid with Heyward, but Tramon hasn't played as good as 2010 and Shields is on a one year deal)

-S(Burnett has one spot, the other is a need)

I see lots of holes in GB, what are you guys thinking?

 
What is GB doing in the draft? -I can see any OL(even RT, they could potentially flip Bulaga to LT).-RB-WR(Jones UFA after the year and Nelson after 2014)-TE(Finley UFA after the year)-DL(Worthy being injured and could use a playmaker here cough Margus Hunt cough)-LB(Nick Perry didn't pan out year one, sounds like OLB is still a need)-CB(slot CB is solid with Heyward, but Tramon hasn't played as good as 2010 and Shields is on a one year deal)-S(Burnett has one spot, the other is a need) I see lots of holes in GB, what are you guys thinking?
They've got quality Guards, and recent 1st rounders in OTs Bulaga and Sherrod. Plus Newhouse and Barclay have shown they can at least be capable starters at Tackle. Just don't see them going oline early.Best guess right now is safety, and I'd think John Cyprien would be very high on their list. He's a hard hitter with range. Having quality safeties is what is going to put the hurt on the read option offenses.
 
What is GB doing in the draft? -I can see any OL(even RT, they could potentially flip Bulaga to LT).-RB-WR(Jones UFA after the year and Nelson after 2014)-TE(Finley UFA after the year)-DL(Worthy being injured and could use a playmaker here cough Margus Hunt cough)-LB(Nick Perry didn't pan out year one, sounds like OLB is still a need)-CB(slot CB is solid with Heyward, but Tramon hasn't played as good as 2010 and Shields is on a one year deal)-S(Burnett has one spot, the other is a need) I see lots of holes in GB, what are you guys thinking?
They've got quality Guards, and recent 1st rounders in OTs Bulaga and Sherrod. Plus Newhouse and Barclay have shown they can at least be capable starters at Tackle. Just don't see them going oline early.Best guess right now is safety, and I'd think John Cyprien would be very high on their list. He's a hard hitter with range. Having quality safeties is what is going to put the hurt on the read option offenses.
Read option isn't much of a threat in division, which is almost half of the schedule. Is Burnett the FS? Cyprien is better in a SS role, IMO.

 
What is GB doing in the draft? -I can see any OL(even RT, they could potentially flip Bulaga to LT).-RB-WR(Jones UFA after the year and Nelson after 2014)-TE(Finley UFA after the year)-DL(Worthy being injured and could use a playmaker here cough Margus Hunt cough)-LB(Nick Perry didn't pan out year one, sounds like OLB is still a need)-CB(slot CB is solid with Heyward, but Tramon hasn't played as good as 2010 and Shields is on a one year deal)-S(Burnett has one spot, the other is a need) I see lots of holes in GB, what are you guys thinking?
They've got quality Guards, and recent 1st rounders in OTs Bulaga and Sherrod. Plus Newhouse and Barclay have shown they can at least be capable starters at Tackle. Just don't see them going oline early.Best guess right now is safety, and I'd think John Cyprien would be very high on their list. He's a hard hitter with range. Having quality safeties is what is going to put the hurt on the read option offenses.
Read option isn't much of a threat in division, which is almost half of the schedule. Is Burnett the FS? Cyprien is better in a SS role, IMO.
Cyprien showed enough range at the senior bowl to play FS IMO. In a passing league, it's always good to have as many quality guys on the back end as possible. Besides, if the Packers want to get back to the Superbowl, there's a reasonably good chance they'd have to beat Kaepernick, Wilson and/or RG3 in the playoffs.
 
What is GB doing in the draft? -I can see any OL(even RT, they could potentially flip Bulaga to LT).-RB-WR(Jones UFA after the year and Nelson after 2014)-TE(Finley UFA after the year)-DL(Worthy being injured and could use a playmaker here cough Margus Hunt cough)-LB(Nick Perry didn't pan out year one, sounds like OLB is still a need)-CB(slot CB is solid with Heyward, but Tramon hasn't played as good as 2010 and Shields is on a one year deal)-S(Burnett has one spot, the other is a need) I see lots of holes in GB, what are you guys thinking?
They've got quality Guards, and recent 1st rounders in OTs Bulaga and Sherrod. Plus Newhouse and Barclay have shown they can at least be capable starters at Tackle. Just don't see them going oline early.Best guess right now is safety, and I'd think John Cyprien would be very high on their list. He's a hard hitter with range. Having quality safeties is what is going to put the hurt on the read option offenses.
Read option isn't much of a threat in division, which is almost half of the schedule. Is Burnett the FS? Cyprien is better in a SS role, IMO.
Cyprien showed enough range at the senior bowl to play FS IMO. In a passing league, it's always good to have as many quality guys on the back end as possible. Besides, if the Packers want to get back to the Superbowl, there's a reasonably good chance they'd have to beat Kaepernick, Wilson and/or RG3 in the playoffs.
I really want Cyprien. To me the Packer's defense hasn't been the same since the loss of Nick Collins and while they are good in coverage they are a terrible tackling bunch. Too many arm tackles or guys just throwing a shoulder at a RB or WR's legs. What they need back is a big hitter on the back end. While that may describe Elam a little better the Cyrpien his size, speed and versatility makes him my preference for that spot.

 
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J Finley tweeting that he's donating $500 for each td and each drop to One Fund Boston. "Now fans can cheer and boo me @the same time! "

 
Pipes said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
tdmills said:
Kitrick Taylor said:
tdmills said:
What is GB doing in the draft? -I can see any OL(even RT, they could potentially flip Bulaga to LT).-RB-WR(Jones UFA after the year and Nelson after 2014)-TE(Finley UFA after the year)-DL(Worthy being injured and could use a playmaker here cough Margus Hunt cough)-LB(Nick Perry didn't pan out year one, sounds like OLB is still a need)-CB(slot CB is solid with Heyward, but Tramon hasn't played as good as 2010 and Shields is on a one year deal)-S(Burnett has one spot, the other is a need) I see lots of holes in GB, what are you guys thinking?
They've got quality Guards, and recent 1st rounders in OTs Bulaga and Sherrod. Plus Newhouse and Barclay have shown they can at least be capable starters at Tackle. Just don't see them going oline early.Best guess right now is safety, and I'd think John Cyprien would be very high on their list. He's a hard hitter with range. Having quality safeties is what is going to put the hurt on the read option offenses.
Read option isn't much of a threat in division, which is almost half of the schedule. Is Burnett the FS? Cyprien is better in a SS role, IMO.
Cyprien showed enough range at the senior bowl to play FS IMO. In a passing league, it's always good to have as many quality guys on the back end as possible. Besides, if the Packers want to get back to the Superbowl, there's a reasonably good chance they'd have to beat Kaepernick, Wilson and/or RG3 in the playoffs.
I really want Cyprien. To me the Packer's defense hasn't been the same since the loss of Nick Collins and while they are good in coverage they are a terrible tackling bunch. Too many arm tackles or guys just throwing a shoulder at a RB or WR's legs. What they need back is a big hitter on the back end. While that may describe Elam a little better the Cyrpien his size, speed and versatility makes him my preference for that spot.
Agree 100% about the defense not being the same since the loss of Collins. Not too many safeties that run 4.36.Too early to make any sort of decisions on Nick Perry, and they've got quality LBs across the board outside of him. DL is a definite possibility with Pickett getting older and Worthy having a shaky rookie year capped off by injury. On offense, I could see them liking a number of the WRs in this years draft. Allen, Woods, Hopkins, Hunter, Patton and Wheaton could all intrigue them in the first couple rounds. TT has always stayed ahead of the curve on WRs, and after losing Jennings they have room to add one. I think they like Finley more than the fans do, but If Eifert is sitting there when they pick, I could see them going there too.
 
tdmills said:
Good discussion so far. What other options do you like besides S?
Dline would be my #2 preference. I want one of the big tackles like Sylvester Williams (Vikes will probably snatch him) or a trade down and take a Jonathan Jenkins in the 2nd round. Alot of people are hoping for Datone Jones from UCLA but at 283 lbs he seems a little smallish for a 3-4 defensive end. There's alot of dline depth in this draft so I think Thompson can't wait until the 2nd or 3rd to get a solid player.

Not that I think they'd do this but I also would like an inside LB to replace my most disliked Packer AJ Hawk. Oline, WR and RB are also needs. Alot of people say TE and I can somewhat understand it but I think Finley is going to have a good year this year. The light blub appeared to have at least flickered the 2nd half of last season.

 
The Matthews deal is a good one. Gets him locked up, but I expect it to be reworked by 2017. Seldom do any contracts last the full length or pay the total dollars. I also like the $31,250 per game bonus for '14-'18.

 
I'm sure TT will stick with BPA. May not always be our choice for BPA, but after months or prep you gotta stick to your draft board. Really don't care what positions he goes in the first few rounds. Just want some good football players ready to work hard.

 
I am sorry if I missed this...but what do Packer fans think....stick with current backfield or draft RB early? I was impressed with Dujuan Harris.
We need to be able to run the ball better, especially in the 2nd half of games where we're leading. But IMO, the biggest impediment to running the ball isn't the RBs (though they are mediocre at best); the bigger issue has been terrible run blocking.

 
I am sorry if I missed this...but what do Packer fans think....stick with current backfield or draft RB early? I was impressed with Dujuan Harris.
Similar to APK...our blocking must improve (I think it did some with EDS in there over Saturday...and Barclay was a better run blocker than Bulaga).

I don't see them taking a back 1st...maybe not even 2nd.

Its also possible TT does not like any of these backs and brings back Benson for 1st and 2nd down and Harris to have 3rd down duties. (keeping Starks and Green)

If they do draft a back...Starks IMO would be the likely casualty as he can just never stay healthy. Green, IMO, they still want to work with now that he should be fully recovered.

 
I am sorry if I missed this...but what do Packer fans think....stick with current backfield or draft RB early? I was impressed with Dujuan Harris.
Similar to APK...our blocking must improve (I think it did some with EDS in there over Saturday...and Barclay was a better run blocker than Bulaga).

I don't see them taking a back 1st...maybe not even 2nd.

Its also possible TT does not like any of these backs and brings back Benson for 1st and 2nd down and Harris to have 3rd down duties. (keeping Starks and Green)

If they do draft a back...Starks IMO would be the likely casualty as he can just never stay healthy. Green, IMO, they still want to work with now that he should be fully recovered.
None of us really have a clue what TT will do. Hell, he could get excited and draft Geno Smith. ;)Think your gut is right sho.....we'll draft someone later (no RB studs worth taking early anyway), cut Starks, and have a large steaming pile of crap to choose from in the backfield. I personally still think people are sleeping on Green. He was clearly not healthy last year still, but the guy has burst. His long carry in the Indy game was an example of what he can do - busted through a hole for 6-8 yards, made a great move immediately after, and went for 30-40 yards. I thought he looked great when given a small amount of space. D Harris is definitely part of whatever committee McCarthy settles on. Can't really see Benson back, though anything is possible. Starks is just too brittle and inconsistent. He's had many chances already - time to let someone else have a shot while he rests his ######.

 
I would not call it a steaming pile of crap though.

Look at the league right now.

Guys up there have come from all over in the draft and undrafted. Yes...you have to get lucky with that...not all of those guys can be Foster. But there have been some very productive later round backs in this league.

I agree with you on Green...I think some have given up on him. Im not counting on him...but also, like you, not counting him out. Just not sure he is an early down guy...and like Harris may only have a limited role.

I think Benson is the last resort for TT if he is holding out on a certain RB for later in the draft and it does not work out. Players all seemed to praise him and at least say they hoped he would be back.

 
RB as a round 1 pick would seem insane coming from Ted. Of course, it would be equally insane to rule anything out for Ted.

TE would be more shocking. Mocks sending Eifert to GB = lol. (I hope.) Who are the best 1st round TEs from recent years? Olsen and Keller? None of these "mismatch" TEs seem to be able to block.

DL is the "obvious" pick. LB again, probably, but not in the 1st. OL, depending who falls. There will be upgrades available at LT, LG, C.

Seems like a good spot to trade down w/ a team who wants a QB.

 
As always, I want TT to take BPA in the first, regardless of position. Just hoping the BPA happens to play somewhere in the front 7 of the D!

And I am comfortable with DeJuan Harris being the lead back in a time share. And I am not comfortable with the thought that Alex Green has any potential. He didn't show anything before the injury and he didn't show anything after the injury (save for a long run v, a porous run D).

 
I have learned to just keep an open mind @ the draft. Ted has nailed it out pf the park with Rodgers, Raji, and Matthews. He has completely whiffed on Sherrod and Harrell. He has grabbed solid guys like Bulaga. He knows what he is doing. I would love the player to be defensive.

 
All I'm hoping for is with at least 2 of the first 3 picks they get some big nasty Lineman. Defense first, then offense

 
I have learned to just keep an open mind @ the draft. Ted has nailed it out pf the park with Rodgers, Raji, and Matthews. He has completely whiffed on Sherrod and Harrell. He has grabbed solid guys like Bulaga. He knows what he is doing. I would love the player to be defensive.
:yes: People tend to get caught up in the names that "experts" like. GMs certainly make their share of mistakes, but they are the ones making the decision. You see guys dropping, and people think a team got a steal, but there is a reason teams were passing on the guy. I always think back to 2006 when TT traded down in the 2nd round as Chad Jackson was still sitting on the board (who the Patriots took with that pick), and many Packer fans were livid. He ended up taking Greg Jennings 16 picks later. I think that worked out pretty well.
 
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Not to mention the WTF trade up that left me rubbing my eyes when he took Clay Matthews. "Thompson always trades back." I think Matthew may have been the first time he traded up for a player after years of accumulating picks. I could see a trade back this year....or up...or him selecting just about anyone left...lol.

I love how he operates the older I get. He has a quiet master of his craft. He's not sliding all over the place like Mike Sherman did before him. He lets the draft come to him. The older I get, the more I like that style. It may be boring to be a Packers fan in March and April, but it certainly isn't in December and January.

 
Not to mention the WTF trade up that left me rubbing my eyes when he took Clay Matthews. "Thompson always trades back." I think Matthew may have been the first time he traded up for a player after years of accumulating picks. I could see a trade back this year....or up...or him selecting just about anyone left...lol.

I love how he operates the older I get. He has a quiet master of his craft. He's not sliding all over the place like Mike Sherman did before him. He lets the draft come to him. The older I get, the more I like that style. It may be boring to be a Packers fan in March and April, but it certainly isn't in December and January.
LOL. Sherman was a guy that said...He was good three years ago...let's pay him and he'll be good again. NOT NOT NOT.

TT always prove to me that I have no idea what's it's like to be in his position and am grateful someone more intellegent than me is there. The only pic I agreed with through the years was Rogers, but only because I'm a Berkeley grad, worked out great.

 
uwgb96 said:
Sabertooth said:
I have learned to just keep an open mind @ the draft. Ted has nailed it out pf the park with Rodgers, Raji, and Matthews. He has completely whiffed on Sherrod and Harrell. He has grabbed solid guys like Bulaga. He knows what he is doing. I would love the player to be defensive.
:yes: People tend to get caught up in the names that "experts" like. GMs certainly make their share of mistakes, but they are the ones making the decision. You see guys dropping, and people think a team got a steal, but there is a reason teams were passing on the guy. I always think back to 2006 when TT traded down in the 2nd round as Chad Jackson was still sitting on the board (who the Patriots took with that pick), and many Packer fans were livid. He ended up taking Greg Jennings 16 picks later. I think that worked out pretty well.
Similar to the fans uproar over trading out the first...then picking up another WR at the top of the 2nd. Seems Jordy Nelson worked out pretty well from Thompson as well.

 
Looks like they brought Benson in...or are bringing him to check up on his progress after his injury.

Interesting move right before the draft too...

 
I have learned to just keep an open mind @ the draft. Ted has nailed it out pf the park with Rodgers, Raji, and Matthews. He has completely whiffed on Sherrod and Harrell. He has grabbed solid guys like Bulaga. He knows what he is doing. I would love the player to be defensive.
Not that he's been perfect, but I think its hard to criticize a draft pick that fails due to injury. Thompson has to rely on his medical staff to judge a player's health going into a draft. Harrell had a torn bicep in college, but his pro career was ruined by back and ankle problems. Sherrod could still be a solid pick. When I think of bad draft picks, I think guys like Mandarich, Reynolds, Michels, Carroll - guys who showed on the field from day one that they were not legit NFL players. I also think the 2012 draft has potential to be one of Ted's best ever.

 
Cut DJ Smith?
Seems odd but they must have that much faith in what they saw in Jones and in Francois.
Just seems that depth would be good to have...if he is not ready for camp...PUP him and keep him for when he is ready.

Odd move IMO.


Saine cut as well, but not much of a shock there.
 

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