Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
Sign Harris. Release one of Starks/Green. Kuhn is 50/50. Draft a 3rd/4th round RB. Evaluate Benson.Basically nothing exciting.(...But yeah what is Ahmad Bradshaw up to.)
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*** Official 2013 Packers Off Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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Man in the yellow hat
Footballguy
There is now way Green gets released. Harris will be back. They'll find another back somewhere.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
Lacy or Ball in the draft. If Ball falls to their pick in the second, without a doubt they will take him. Or, if TT trades out of the first round and they end up with multiple 2nds, Ball somewhere in the early/mid second.
Some have projected the Michigan RB in the 3rd - forget his name -
Some have projected the Michigan RB in the 3rd - forget his name -
sho nuff
Footballguy
UM...or Michigan State's Bell?Id rather not use a high pick on a back. Still have some questions about Lacy whether you are getting a Richardson or an Ingram with him.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
MState, you are correct. My memory is not what it was
smackdaddies
Footballguy
personally, I like Stepfan Taylor from Stanford. Not a speed guy, but big, strong, catches and blocks well. Possible 3rd rounder. Then have Harris as the change of pace back, possible Green if he recovers
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strykerpks
Footballguy
AJ Hawk restructures his deal. Numbers haven't been released yet but it looks like he's staying.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He sucks. I don't know why they keep him around at any price.
Touchdown There
Footballguy
I agree. Hopefully the contract renegotions will wake him up a little.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I get some of the hate...but the guy does not suck.Why they keep him around is that, despite fan opinion, the team holds him in pretty high regard...he played pretty well last year.He graded out well even by McGinn's guys.He is a good, but not great LB.He probably will be used more situationally going forward alongside Bishop with guys like Smith, Francois, and Manning pushing him for his spot.
Pipes
Footballguy
Not to nit pick but I think saying he's good is stretching it. Good LB's occassionally generate a turnover or two. To me Hawk's the very definition of average but since he was a top 5 pick and making a good chunk of change I'm not a fan of him. I was hoping they'd release him and go after Dansby to replace him but I guess renegociating his contract is better than nothing.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He sucks but he's the best they have or he wouldn't be starting. I sure wish they could find a guy to usurp his job.
sho nuff
Footballguy
So why do actual pro scouts (McGinn's guys who have typically been pretty tough on people) grade him out pretty high last year if he sucks so bad?
Seems some are hung up on his draft slot...and wanting him to be what he isn't (a playmaker and turnover guy).But to say he just sucks seems a matter of opinion that is not supported by facts whatsoever.
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Hate to see Jennings go but that is a lot of money. Five-year, $47.5 million deal with $18 million guaranteed. Not hard to see why TT didn't match. Seems high compared to the rest of the WR deals being signed. I got the feeling last year that all Jennings was playing for was his next contract.
Balco
Footballguy
Happy to see the Packers didn't open the checkbooks to Jennings and Jackson. And I will miss Jennings. Remember everyone going crazy when the Packers passed on Chad Jackson and instead picked Jennings?
Not happy to see Tom Crabtree go. I want to see the details of his contract with TB. I think I am higher on him than most.
As for AJ Hawk, I am beyond dissapointed. If I felt that he took the cut in pay with the understanding he would bea backup, I could at least accept it (he should not even be a backup). What stinks is that I think it signals Green Bay isn't going to go after a starting MLB in free agency.
I watch the game with the same way as pro scouts - with my eyes. And calling AJ Hawk an average linebacker is being generous. Cerebral player? The guy takes two seconds to diagnose a play, bites on false backfield action, and because of his missteps, there are gaping ho;es in the middle of the field. I don't care if he was the 5th pick or 250th pick. He isn't getting the job done. I do want to add that it is not just AJ Hawk that is the problem on that D. The front 7 needs an infusion of talent in the worst way.
Not happy to see Tom Crabtree go. I want to see the details of his contract with TB. I think I am higher on him than most.
As for AJ Hawk, I am beyond dissapointed. If I felt that he took the cut in pay with the understanding he would bea backup, I could at least accept it (he should not even be a backup). What stinks is that I think it signals Green Bay isn't going to go after a starting MLB in free agency.
I watch the game with the same way as pro scouts - with my eyes. And calling AJ Hawk an average linebacker is being generous. Cerebral player? The guy takes two seconds to diagnose a play, bites on false backfield action, and because of his missteps, there are gaping ho;es in the middle of the field. I don't care if he was the 5th pick or 250th pick. He isn't getting the job done. I do want to add that it is not just AJ Hawk that is the problem on that D. The front 7 needs an infusion of talent in the worst way.
Balco
Footballguy
Still too much. If he sniffs the starting ILB job, I will be irate.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
DuJuan Harris will be half of the Packer running attack, per JS
I see him as the change of pace back, they still need the mudder, grinder. That could be Benson, but I see them drafting someone - Still think Taylor or Ball would be good picks. Lacy will be to high of a pick for them.
I see him as the change of pace back, they still need the mudder, grinder. That could be Benson, but I see them drafting someone - Still think Taylor or Ball would be good picks. Lacy will be to high of a pick for them.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Puff piece.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It is...but Harris did earn a shot and I think he will be involved in the run game as smack said.Id still be interested in Bradshaw as a 3rd down guy right now with Harris the lead back (and this does not keep them from taking another back at some point in the draft).
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Harris won't be the lead back. And if they sign Bradshaw, it will be Harris as the 3rd down back (not the other way around).People are under-valuing Alex Green. He clearly wasn't healthy yet last year, but he pushed through the injury to keep playing. The coaching staff has indicated subtly that they valued his willingness to fight through health issues. He'll get another shot to start this year if healthy. Green showed moments of explosiveness (e.g., a play vs Indy where he busted through the line, made a great move to make someone miss, and ran ~40 yds downfield). He needs to get healthy.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I like the potential of Green for sure.But he has to be able to show it on the field and Harris (even on a limited basis) has done that.I just don't think Bradshaw can be counted on as a lead back.I don't mean to limit him to just 3rd downs...but on some 3rds because he excels as a blocker and catching the ball out of the backfield.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Yeah, when you get embarrassed on a historic level, then lose your emotional leader on defense and replace him with nothing, that's not good.
smackdaddies
Footballguy
How about Urlacher as a middle lb for the pack?
It would be a switch - (from the 4-3 to the 3-4) Can he make the switch, can he play in the 3-4?
It would be a switch - (from the 4-3 to the 3-4) Can he make the switch, can he play in the 3-4?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
None of their middle linebacker can play in the 3-4.
The Packers will definitely be positioning themselves to draft a back. The offense struggled this year when every team went two deep on them. There was no respect for the run because the Packers had no running game. McCarthy himself has said that his one of his biggest priorities this off-season, and that change is not possible without addressing the RB position. Luckily, there are a slew of 2nd/3rd round guys that will fit nicely in the scheme. I think it's a foregone conclusion that they will move to draft a RB within the first three rounds. I just hope they don't take whoever they have targeted too high. I definitely want to see a big man in the 1st (DL or OL).'Warhogs said:
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Urlacher can't move anymore. He would be 4th on the Packers' depth chart at ILB behind Bishop, Hawk and Jones.'smackdaddies said:
Balco
Footballguy
Agreed. I am happy with Bishop, Smith, and Jones at ILB. Packers need to move on to DL and OLB at this point.
Can't have too many LBs in a 3-4. Secondary is great, LBs are set .... looks very much like they will be positioning for DT/OL/RB in the first three rounds.
Chicago Hooligan
Footballguy
They have not really had good coverage LBs. I'm not sure what the answer is. Play only Matthews and Bishop in a 4-2-5 on passing downs?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I doubt it. He can tackle and he's smart. To things the Packers lack.
Dark Matter
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Guy is a decent TE but his mouth gets old.
Dark Matter
Footballguy
Potentially dominant force if the maturity level ever gets to where it needs to be. I just don't know how much of the playbook he really understands and makes plays despite himself sometimes.
Balco
Footballguy
Ugh. Would have really liked them to cut him if he didn't take a huge pay cut. Then they could use the money on an extension for Rodgers or Mathews (front loading the deal).
Tony Jabroni
Footballguy
Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.
That's all well and good ... we know the overall contract value will be absurd ... but I'm wondering how it will be structured. I hope there is enough flexibility in there for GB to fill positions of need over the next couple of years.The Packers have the 6th most cap space for 2013 at the moment. Some of that will be needed to pay the rookies but I'm guessing they could absorb more of a front-loaded (or evenly loaded) contract than other teams with high-priced QBs. I would favor that strategy, as opposed to the usual method of continually pushing money out and then rebuilding in 5 years when it all crashes down.Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
TT is a smart guy. Let's all hope he does the logical thing. I am deeply worried though.....that it will be really tough for us to keep a good enough core of talent around Rodgers if he's going to consumer $15-20M of cap space each year. That is a gigantic number.'meyerj31 said:That's all well and good ... we know the overall contract value will be absurd ... but I'm wondering how it will be structured. I hope there is enough flexibility in there for GB to fill positions of need over the next couple of years.The Packers have the 6th most cap space for 2013 at the moment. Some of that will be needed to pay the rookies but I'm guessing they could absorb more of a front-loaded (or evenly loaded) contract than other teams with high-priced QBs. I would favor that strategy, as opposed to the usual method of continually pushing money out and then rebuilding in 5 years when it all crashes down.'Tony Jabroni said:Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.
Warhogs
Footballguy
And he needs to work on eliminating that showboat first down move after he catches an 8 yard pass after dropping a couple of passes before that. I'm a Packer fan but hate, hate, hate his showboat look at me I made a catch antics. He is about the only guy I really hate on my team.
You're not close, Schefter said he heard 4 years for 100 million. 25 million per yearTT is a smart guy. Let's all hope he does the logical thing. I am deeply worried though.....that it will be really tough for us to keep a good enough core of talent around Rodgers if he's going to consumer $15-20M of cap space each year. That is a gigantic number.'meyerj31 said:That's all well and good ... we know the overall contract value will be absurd ... but I'm wondering how it will be structured. I hope there is enough flexibility in there for GB to fill positions of need over the next couple of years.The Packers have the 6th most cap space for 2013 at the moment. Some of that will be needed to pay the rookies but I'm guessing they could absorb more of a front-loaded (or evenly loaded) contract than other teams with high-priced QBs. I would favor that strategy, as opposed to the usual method of continually pushing money out and then rebuilding in 5 years when it all crashes down.'Tony Jabroni said:Schefter reporting this morning that they are very close to sigining Rodgers to the richest deal in NFL history.
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