*** Official 2013 Packers Off Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[sho nuff]

Wondering how this all shapes up the backfield now.

I think first we will see Lacy/Harris as the 1-2 punch. Lacy is not going to be a 20-25 carry guy. THinking more 15 with possibly 20 if he is going well.

IMO, Green will remain since I think they still believe in his potential.

Starks could be out...

And my thought, and likely an unpopular one...if they can bring Benson back for another year...very cheap...why not do it? Insurance for Lacy if he gets hurt to be that physical back....and a veteran who did well running between the tackles to keep working with the young guys and especially the rookie.

Really can't picture them bringing back Benson. That was all just a TT smokescreen. Starks should be gone....Green should stick.

But if Starks is gone...as we both believe.

I think they bring another back in...I don't think they go into the season with just 3 backs. Or even into Camp.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Wondering how this all shapes up the backfield now.

I think first we will see Lacy/Harris as the 1-2 punch. Lacy is not going to be a 20-25 carry guy. THinking more 15 with possibly 20 if he is going well.

IMO, Green will remain since I think they still believe in his potential.

Starks could be out...

And my thought, and likely an unpopular one...if they can bring Benson back for another year...very cheap...why not do it? Insurance for Lacy if he gets hurt to be that physical back....and a veteran who did well running between the tackles to keep working with the young guys and especially the rookie.

Really can't picture them bringing back Benson. That was all just a TT smokescreen. Starks should be gone....Green should stick.

But if Starks is gone...as we both believe.

I think they bring another back in...I don't think they go into the season with just 3 backs. Or even into Camp.

Oh yeah, there are other RBs in the draft who could end up on this roster. I fully expect TT to draft another RB late, or sign a couple FAs.

 

[KingPrawn]

NFL Network is reporting the Packers are shopping Desmond Bishop

 

[Alex P Keaton]

NFL Network is reporting the Packers are shopping Desmond Bishop

Can anyone else figure out the logic of shopping Bishop?

 

[meyerj31]

NFL Network is reporting the Packers are shopping Desmond Bishop

Can anyone else figure out the logic of shopping Bishop?

Wow, that's surprising... how are they going to replace him ? I thought Bishop was always a great player.

With TT it's all about the cap vs performance, though.

Bishop's cap number the next two years is $4.5M. That doesn't seem extreme for being the leading tackler the last couple of years. Hawk has a cap number of $5M+ for an additional year beyond Bishop. I don't get that one at all... Bishop is a better player than Hawk. Maybe they are worried about his injuries.

Or perhaps they have no intention of trading him but leaked it to the media it so he plays better? Odd.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

NFL Network is reporting the Packers are shopping Desmond Bishop

Can anyone else figure out the logic of shopping Bishop?

Wow, that's surprising... how are they going to replace him ? I thought Bishop was always a great player.

With TT it's all about the cap vs performance, though.

Bishop's cap number the next two years is $4.5M. That doesn't seem extreme for being the leading tackler the last couple of years. Hawk has a cap number of $5M+ for an additional year beyond Bishop. I don't get that one at all... Bishop is a better player than Hawk. Maybe they are worried about his injuries.

Or perhaps they have no intention of trading him but leaked it to the media it so he plays better? Odd.

Don't understand why we would be shopping one of our better players on defense.

 

[KingPrawn]

My guess is it is just a rumor. Had to come from somewhere though. Does seem odd.

 

[meyerj31]

Bahktiara, David

STRENGTHS: Physically looks the part of an NFL offensive lineman. Has long arms and good overall weight distribution. Has a thick lower half and good core flexibility, well suited to anchoring against bull rushers. Good initial quickness. Consistently is the first Colorado offensive lineman off the snap and shows the ability to jump off the ball, turn and seal off defenders in the running game. Gains good depth on his drop and eats up ground with a deep kick-step. Long arms and strong hands allow him to latch on to defenders as they attempt to cross his face when he is in pass protection. Good understanding of angles to cut off defenders who appear to have him beat. Good upper body strength and good hand placement to latch on and control his opponent. Shows some nastiness to his game, looking to knock defenders to the ground when he can. May not possess elite straight-line speed but shows enough burst to get to the second level and is highly competitive once he gets there, seeking out someone to hit. Good bloodlines. Eric Bakhtiari, David's only brother, was a standout defensive lineman at San Diego State and has been on an off the San Francisco 49ers' roster.

WEAKNESSES: May lack the elite combination of height and foot speed to handle edge rushers in the NFL, though he appears well suited to simply sliding inside to left guard. Doesn't have top body control for blocking on the move and will struggle adjusting to moving targets. Too often attacks the outside shoulder of linebackers when blocking on the move, allowing them to "swim" over him and remain in the action. Would like to see him finish his blocks more completely. Often protected with a tight end as Colorado frequently used a dual tight end set...

Compares to: John Greco, OL, Cleveland Browns -- Like Bakhtiari, Greco was a standout left tackle in college (Toledo) but one whose lack of ideal size and foot speed pushed him inside in the NFL. While not a standout, he's emerged as a solid starter and one whose physicality and determination won't be questioned once given an opportunity.

Looks like a great choice to me! Still didn't get a top left tackle this draft but anything that improves the line is a great pick. He's rated much higher than 109th on a lot of sites so appears to be good value. I wonder who will be playing left tackle this year? Bulaga?

 

[meyerj31]

J.C. Tretter, OG

This guy was picked as a project. I wouldnt' expect much out of him for a year or two. Another jar on the shelf!

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Wondering how this all shapes up the backfield now.

I think first we will see Lacy/Harris as the 1-2 punch. Lacy is not going to be a 20-25 carry guy. THinking more 15 with possibly 20 if he is going well.

IMO, Green will remain since I think they still believe in his potential.

Starks could be out...

And my thought, and likely an unpopular one...if they can bring Benson back for another year...very cheap...why not do it? Insurance for Lacy if he gets hurt to be that physical back....and a veteran who did well running between the tackles to keep working with the young guys and especially the rookie.

Really can't picture them bringing back Benson. That was all just a TT smokescreen. Starks should be gone....Green should stick.

But if Starks is gone...as we both believe.

I think they bring another back in...I don't think they go into the season with just 3 backs. Or even into Camp.

Oh yeah, there are other RBs in the draft who could end up on this roster. I fully expect TT to draft another RB late, or sign a couple FAs.

And now they have another RB -- Jonathan Franklin. Interesting.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Wondering how this all shapes up the backfield now.

I think first we will see Lacy/Harris as the 1-2 punch. Lacy is not going to be a 20-25 carry guy. THinking more 15 with possibly 20 if he is going well.

IMO, Green will remain since I think they still believe in his potential.

Starks could be out...

And my thought, and likely an unpopular one...if they can bring Benson back for another year...very cheap...why not do it? Insurance for Lacy if he gets hurt to be that physical back....and a veteran who did well running between the tackles to keep working with the young guys and especially the rookie.

Really can't picture them bringing back Benson. That was all just a TT smokescreen. Starks should be gone....Green should stick.

But if Starks is gone...as we both believe.

I think they bring another back in...I don't think they go into the season with just 3 backs. Or even into Camp.

Oh yeah, there are other RBs in the draft who could end up on this roster. I fully expect TT to draft another RB late, or sign a couple FAs.

And now they have another RB -- Jonathan Franklin. Interesting.

Very interesting. Changing up the offense? We could be deadly with a potent RBBC.

 

[meyerj31]

Love the Franklin pick this late. I had him going to the Pack in the third in the big mock we did with 32 different people taking a team. Only knock is his hands are small, but his production has been great.

I think we can say goodbye to Starks and Harris. Alex Green should still be around.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

Love the Franklin pick this late. I had him going to the Pack in the third in the big mock we did with 32 different people taking a team. Only knock is his hands are small, but his production has been great.

I think we can say goodbye to Starks and Harris. Alex Green should still be around.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Franklin end up with more playing time and touches than Lacy. Similar to the StL rookies last year, or Ridley/Vereen on the Pats.

 

[meyerj31]

Love the Franklin pick this late. I had him going to the Pack in the third in the big mock we did with 32 different people taking a team. Only knock is his hands are small, but his production has been great.

I think we can say goodbye to Starks and Harris. Alex Green should still be around.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Franklin end up with more playing time and touches than Lacy. Similar to the StL rookies last year, or Ridley/Vereen on the Pats.

I wouldn't be surprised, either. Should be fun to watch them battle it out. Neither of them are a rock solid 3rd down guy so they'll probably be battling for the early down work, with either Green or Harris kept to fill in on 3rd down duties. McCarthy really doesn't like giving the ball to anyone 300 times per year. He's said that it wears them down for the playoffs, so I expect a RBBC either way. Nothing to see from a fantasy perspective here unless deep starting format.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

I have run out of superlatives for Ted Thompson.

 

[sho nuff]

Wondering how this all shapes up the backfield now.

I think first we will see Lacy/Harris as the 1-2 punch. Lacy is not going to be a 20-25 carry guy. THinking more 15 with possibly 20 if he is going well.

IMO, Green will remain since I think they still believe in his potential.

Starks could be out...

And my thought, and likely an unpopular one...if they can bring Benson back for another year...very cheap...why not do it? Insurance for Lacy if he gets hurt to be that physical back....and a veteran who did well running between the tackles to keep working with the young guys and especially the rookie.

Really can't picture them bringing back Benson. That was all just a TT smokescreen. Starks should be gone....Green should stick.

But if Starks is gone...as we both believe.

I think they bring another back in...I don't think they go into the season with just 3 backs. Or even into Camp.

Oh yeah, there are other RBs in the draft who could end up on this roster. I fully expect TT to draft another RB late, or sign a couple FAs.

And now they have another RB -- Jonathan Franklin. Interesting.

Very...was out and about when this came over.

As for what was said above...I don't think Harris is going anywhere.

Would expect its 4 guys kept...Starks is out...and obviously no Benson brought back with this I would not think.

Also don't buy that Bishop was actually being shopped. There are always rumors like that here and there...just don't see it.

 

[sho nuff]

UPDATE: A source with knowledge of the situation told JSOnline's Tom Silverstein that the Packers are not actively shopping Bishop around. That may mean that they have simply fielded a few inquiries from other teams.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/205002831.html

 

[Pipes]

UPDATE: A source with knowledge of the situation told JSOnline's Tom Silverstein that the Packers are not actively shopping Bishop around. That may mean that they have simply fielded a few inquiries from other teams.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/205002831.html

Yeah that rumor made absolutely no sense with GB releasing DJ Smith, passing up guys like Arthur Brown, and AJ Hawk being not very good.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

TEDDY! TEDDY! TEDDY! TEDDY!

 

[smackdaddies]

THe proof is always three years from now, but I like this draft for the pack. Hit our biggest need first and then really loaded up on offensive weapons. All of them have super high numbers of lifts on the bench press We have been getting pushed sround and it looks like we are getting awed for finesse

 

[TheGreatSpinks]

Love the Franklin pick this late. I had him going to the Pack in the third in the big mock we did with 32 different people taking a team. Only knock is his hands are small, but his production has been great.

I think we can say goodbye to Starks and Harris. Alex Green should still be around.

Wouldn't surprise me at all to see Franklin end up with more playing time and touches than Lacy. Similar to the StL rookies last year, or Ridley/Vereen on the Pats.

I was going to post something along the lines of Ridley/Vereen. I think this is very possible. I think Starks is for sure gone. Lacy/Franklin/Harris/Green

 

[Alex P Keaton]

UPDATE: A source with knowledge of the situation told JSOnline's Tom Silverstein that the Packers are not actively shopping Bishop around. That may mean that they have simply fielded a few inquiries from other teams.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/205002831.html

Thanks for posting sho. Glad they aren't shopping the only physical ILB on the roster. Never made any sense.....but who the hell knows in the NFL?

If Bishop is healthy this year, it gives us a bit of attitude back on the D.

 

[smackdaddies]

UPDATE: A source with knowledge of the situation told JSOnline's Tom Silverstein that the Packers are not actively shopping Bishop around. That may mean that they have simply fielded a few inquiries from other teams.

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/205002831.html

Thanks for posting sho. Glad they aren't shopping the only physical ILB on the roster. Never made any sense.....but who the hell knows in the NFL?If Bishop is healthy this year, it gives us a bit of attitude back on the D.

And explains why they basically ignored the position in the draft

 

[sho nuff]

Wonder how many times rumors like that get started.

Teams contact other teams all the time about the availability of a player Im sure.

And TT likely takes the call to see what they might offer...someone gets word of it or the other team leaks that...hey, the Packers are shopping him (possibly hoping the player gets mad and really wants to be traded???).

 

[treat88]

Congrats on a very nice draft class guys.

As a Steelers fan, I have to admit being pretty jealous of your choice of Franklin. He's going to be a very nice compliment if he pans out.

Both of the backs you ended up with carry some risk, but...dang, if they hit they are homeruns given the relatively small investments.

 

[meyerj31]

Congrats on a very nice draft class guys.

As a Steelers fan, I have to admit being pretty jealous of your choice of Franklin. He's going to be a very nice compliment if he pans out.

Both of the backs you ended up with carry some risk, but...dang, if they hit they are homeruns given the relatively small investments.

Yea, great draft. If you told Teddy what he would be getting at the end he probably wouldn't have believed it at the start. I think they were able to get almost every player lower than the value on their board. But, again, Franklin isn't a complement/3rd down guy. He has small hands. I'm of the opinion that either Franklin or Lacy will win the early down work and Green or Harris will be kept for 3rd down work. Either way we have twice the chance to get "the guy" in the backfield which is really nice.

Only bummer for me is there weren't any 1/3 round value tackles to get in this draft and that will continue to be a pressing need, as well as a mauler guard like Warmack. The o-line really wasn't addressed and 51 sacks is a problem. But hopefully the running game will take some pressure off Rodgers.

 

[werdnoynek]

Just saw on twitter that Rodgers' deal included a $35 Million signing bonus with $54 million in guaranteed money.

 

[sho nuff]

Just saw on twitter that Rodgers' deal included a $35 Million signing bonus with $54 million in guaranteed money.

Yeah...and only hits a little over $12 mil against the cap this year...and no higher than just over $21 million during the length of the contract.

Not sure what Matthews deal added to this year's cap...but Rodgers only added around 3 million to this year's cap.

So are they going to sign others? Extend Raji? Jones? Nelson?

 

[KingPrawn]

What seems to be getting lost a lot in all the draft talk is how cap friendly Rodgers' deal is. Kudos to both Rodgers and Thompson.

The timing of the announcement did seem to be interesting. Did Rodgers want to downplay it and hope it got lost in the draft talk?

 

[Sabertooth]

Maybe or perhaps he wanted to have it occur on the anniversary of the draft because of how that went for him in the green room.

 

[meyerj31]

Just saw on twitter that Rodgers' deal included a $35 Million signing bonus with $54 million in guaranteed money.

Yeah...and only hits a little over $12 mil against the cap this year...and no higher than just over $21 million during the length of the contract.Not sure what Matthews deal added to this year's cap...but Rodgers only added around 3 million to this year's cap.So are they going to sign others? Extend Raji? Jones? Nelson?

Raji will be next. Nelson has two more years on his deal. Once again TT shows he is the master ... locking up a guy like Nelson to ~2-3M per year right before he blew up, and now he's a true #1 for the team. As far as WR value goes, I'm not sure there's been a better deal in the league the last five years than Nelson (looking only at non-rookie pay scale contracts). Since both Rodgers' and Matthews' deals are so cap friendly they might be able to extend both Raji and Nelson next summer. I don't think they will let Nelson walk, unless he is demanding Jennings money. I could see them paying him 5-6M per year, though. Jones isn't a true #1 and Cobb isn't going to play outside, so they almost need to keep Nelson.

 

[sho nuff]

Only reason I said Nelson is that he will be 28 in a month.

Close to 30 by the time his contract is up.

Not sure I see TT doing much with a 30 year old WR if he has any more injuries pop up.

5-6 per sounds about right barring a slow down.

My point was...why not do it now with some of this cap room...take the hit now so its not hurting the cap in future years.

 

[Pipes]

Congrats on a very nice draft class guys. As a Steelers fan, I have to admit being pretty jealous of your choice of Franklin. He's going to be a very nice compliment if he pans out. Both of the backs you ended up with carry some risk, but...dang, if they hit they are homeruns given the relatively small investments.

Yea, great draft. If you told Teddy what he would be getting at the end he probably wouldn't have believed it at the start. I think they were able to get almost every player lower than the value on their board. But, again, Franklin isn't a complement/3rd down guy. He has small hands. I'm of the opinion that either Franklin or Lacy will win the early down work and Green or Harris will be kept for 3rd down work. Either way we have twice the chance to get "the guy" in the backfield which is really nice. Only bummer for me is there weren't any 1/3 round value tackles to get in this draft and that will continue to be a pressing need, as well as a mauler guard like Warmack. The o-line really wasn't addressed and 51 sacks is a problem. But hopefully the running game will take some pressure off Rodgers.

It will. While they aren't great I don't think the offensive line is as horrible as some make them out to be. Thy are an average group and now with a couple of legit backs those sack numbers should drop a lot.

 

[Tony Jabroni]

Al Harris has signed and retired as a Packer.

 

[sho nuff]

Al Harris has signed and retired as a Packer.

Loved Al...that physical style of play and was the key player in one of the more memorable plays at Lambeau.

Would have been funny to see ITS' reaction to that play.

Also loved the documentary he did online for his rehab...shame at his age he just could not really come back from that.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Al Harris has signed and retired as a Packer.

Loved Al...that physical style of play and was the key player in one of the more memorable plays at Lambeau.

Would have been funny to see ITS' reaction to that play.

Also loved the documentary he did online for his rehab...shame at his age he just could not really come back from that.

ITS should be named IBS instead. Haven't heard a peep from him since the Seahawks lost in the playoffs. Nothing. Nada. Zip.

 

[Sabertooth]

He's going to be crying in his Cheerios this year when Seattle fails to take the next step. It's one thing to go from mediocre to good, but quite another to go from good to great. Ask the Lions and Bucs. They were both poised to take that next step only to fall back into mediocrity.

 

[meyerj31]

Only reason I said Nelson is that he will be 28 in a month.Close to 30 by the time his contract is up. Not sure I see TT doing much with a 30 year old WR if he has any more injuries pop up.5-6 per sounds about right barring a slow down. My point was...why not do it now with some of this cap room...take the hit now so its not hurting the cap in future years.

Their next priority is Raji because he can void the 2014 year of his contract, which he is certain to do @ $2M. That means this year is essentially his last year of the contract, so if they want to keep him they have to work out a deal by the beginning of the year. Right now the top 51 count for $116M, so that means that even after signing Matthews and Rodgers to lucrative long-term extensions the Packers still have $13M in cap space for 2013. Neither recently signed deal mortgaged the future, which is awesome, and the Packers are still 6th in total cap space available for 2013, so there is room to work out a contract for Raji. How the hell does TT do it??? Whatever he gets paid, it isn't enough!!!

 

[SWC]

ted thomson is my hero for seeing the future he is awesome at drafts knows who to keep and who to let go and knew that brett the weiner texter john edwards part deus favre was a traitor to wisconsins values and dumped him to and now old brent has to come crawling back and man when the barn that used to say 4 ever in our hearts says 12 is three times number 4 you know who won that one baby so take that right to bank brohans

 

[sho nuff]

Not just TT but Russ Ball...like Brandt before him does well in structuring deals.

 

[tdmills]

The decline of Woodson, loss of Collins, and Hawk never really growing into a top lineback have hurt them. I think this defense will be strong in 2 more years. It's the waiting game that sucks.

They've patched up the D and at some point it fell through. Sam Shields shouldn't be a starting CB, Tramon didn't live up to the playoff run, Walden/Bishop/Jones/Perry haven't been healthy/played well enough. Harrell/Neal/Worthy haven't lived up to the draft position. It's a combination of a lot of stuff, but at this point I like GB's front 7 more than the back 4. I think the front 3 is intact. Matthews/hawk/bishop/perry can be solid with a good line in front of them. But I would like GB to get another CB(assuming Heyward stays at nickel).

With that said, how long before people worry about offense?

-With the money spent on Matthews/soon to be on Rodgers and probably on Raji + TT MO, free agency isn't going to help.

RB- it's a problem spot, even if it's not a priority on the offense

TE- if they let finley walk after the season, I don't think Williams can fill his shoes

OL- RG/RTis solid if Sitton/Bulaga can stay healthy. But LT/LG/C is average at best. Will Sherrod ever get on the field? Will Newhouse/Lang/EDS improve?

WR- Jennings/Driver just left. James Jones is an UFA after the season and Jordy Nelson is an UFA after 2014 season. Plus in 2 years Nelson will be 29 like Greg Jennings and most likely won't be back. That will leave them with Cobb.

QB- Need to get a solid backup if Harrell/Coleman(I like Coleman) don't develop. Remember Rodgers has taken a ton of sacks the past few years and they've been lucky he hasn't missed much time.

Well lets see how they look now.

RB- No longer a problem spot by getting a double dip of talent in the draft. I don't think Lacy/Franklin are world beaters or ever be in the top 10 of RBs in the league, but it's a huge upgrade over what they've had the past few years.

TE- Didn't get addressed. Maybe they resign Finley? I know they have a bunch of backup TEs, but I don't see them ever as very good.

OL-Liked how they picked up a couple of solid OL in round 4. I was thinking they would snag Barrett Jones as he was falling, but they passed and traded down. Either way this adds depth/competition which helps.

WR- Added a couple of 7th rounders. I guess we'll see what they do with Jones/Nelson moving forward.

QB- Didn't address it, shocked.

Other

Added a CB and two LBs-nobody to get very excited about.

Overall a solid draft for GB. But I have to wonder how many of the 10 players make the team, that's a lot of draft picks.

 

[meyerj31]

The decline of Woodson, loss of Collins, and Hawk never really growing into a top lineback have hurt them. I think this defense will be strong in 2 more years. It's the waiting game that sucks.

They've patched up the D and at some point it fell through. Sam Shields shouldn't be a starting CB, Tramon didn't live up to the playoff run, Walden/Bishop/Jones/Perry haven't been healthy/played well enough. Harrell/Neal/Worthy haven't lived up to the draft position. It's a combination of a lot of stuff, but at this point I like GB's front 7 more than the back 4. I think the front 3 is intact. Matthews/hawk/bishop/perry can be solid with a good line in front of them. But I would like GB to get another CB(assuming Heyward stays at nickel).

With that said, how long before people worry about offense?

-With the money spent on Matthews/soon to be on Rodgers and probably on Raji + TT MO, free agency isn't going to help.

RB- it's a problem spot, even if it's not a priority on the offense

TE- if they let finley walk after the season, I don't think Williams can fill his shoes

OL- RG/RTis solid if Sitton/Bulaga can stay healthy. But LT/LG/C is average at best. Will Sherrod ever get on the field? Will Newhouse/Lang/EDS improve?

WR- Jennings/Driver just left. James Jones is an UFA after the season and Jordy Nelson is an UFA after 2014 season. Plus in 2 years Nelson will be 29 like Greg Jennings and most likely won't be back. That will leave them with Cobb.

QB- Need to get a solid backup if Harrell/Coleman(I like Coleman) don't develop. Remember Rodgers has taken a ton of sacks the past few years and they've been lucky he hasn't missed much time.

Well lets see how they look now.

RB- No longer a problem spot by getting a double dip of talent in the draft. I don't think Lacy/Franklin are world beaters or ever be in the top 10 of RBs in the league, but it's a huge upgrade over what they've had the past few years.

TE- Didn't get addressed. Maybe they resign Finley? I know they have a bunch of backup TEs, but I don't see them ever as very good.

OL-Liked how they picked up a couple of solid OL in round 4. I was thinking they would snag Barrett Jones as he was falling, but they passed and traded down. Either way this adds depth/competition which helps.

WR- Added a couple of 7th rounders. I guess we'll see what they do with Jones/Nelson moving forward.

QB- Didn't address it, shocked.

Other

Added a CB and two LBs-nobody to get very excited about.

Overall a solid draft for GB. But I have to wonder how many of the 10 players make the team, that's a lot of draft picks.

PFF had an interesting article (maybe it was draftmetrics, I don't remember) that compared Quantity vs Quality in drafting. Basically found the value the past five years of trading up or trading down. The article conclude that more picks is generally better.

Also stated was that two of the teams that have done the most trading down for extra picks (Packers and Patriots) also happen to have the two of the best records over the past five years. So, yea, maybe only half those guys make the roster. But more picks give us a better chance to hit on players.

I'm intrigued by Charles Johnson. His measureables are incredible yet he fell to nearly undrafted. If he gets his head on straight that could be an epic steal for the Packers. 11 foot broad jump? 4.38 40-time? Big, solid possession receiver build? And 7th round? Crazy.

 

[tdmills]

The decline of Woodson, loss of Collins, and Hawk never really growing into a top lineback have hurt them. I think this defense will be strong in 2 more years. It's the waiting game that sucks.

They've patched up the D and at some point it fell through. Sam Shields shouldn't be a starting CB, Tramon didn't live up to the playoff run, Walden/Bishop/Jones/Perry haven't been healthy/played well enough. Harrell/Neal/Worthy haven't lived up to the draft position. It's a combination of a lot of stuff, but at this point I like GB's front 7 more than the back 4. I think the front 3 is intact. Matthews/hawk/bishop/perry can be solid with a good line in front of them. But I would like GB to get another CB(assuming Heyward stays at nickel).

With that said, how long before people worry about offense?

-With the money spent on Matthews/soon to be on Rodgers and probably on Raji + TT MO, free agency isn't going to help.

RB- it's a problem spot, even if it's not a priority on the offense

TE- if they let finley walk after the season, I don't think Williams can fill his shoes

OL- RG/RTis solid if Sitton/Bulaga can stay healthy. But LT/LG/C is average at best. Will Sherrod ever get on the field? Will Newhouse/Lang/EDS improve?

WR- Jennings/Driver just left. James Jones is an UFA after the season and Jordy Nelson is an UFA after 2014 season. Plus in 2 years Nelson will be 29 like Greg Jennings and most likely won't be back. That will leave them with Cobb.

QB- Need to get a solid backup if Harrell/Coleman(I like Coleman) don't develop. Remember Rodgers has taken a ton of sacks the past few years and they've been lucky he hasn't missed much time.

Well lets see how they look now.

RB- No longer a problem spot by getting a double dip of talent in the draft. I don't think Lacy/Franklin are world beaters or ever be in the top 10 of RBs in the league, but it's a huge upgrade over what they've had the past few years.

TE- Didn't get addressed. Maybe they resign Finley? I know they have a bunch of backup TEs, but I don't see them ever as very good.

OL-Liked how they picked up a couple of solid OL in round 4. I was thinking they would snag Barrett Jones as he was falling, but they passed and traded down. Either way this adds depth/competition which helps.

WR- Added a couple of 7th rounders. I guess we'll see what they do with Jones/Nelson moving forward.

QB- Didn't address it, shocked.

Other

Added a CB and two LBs-nobody to get very excited about.

Overall a solid draft for GB. But I have to wonder how many of the 10 players make the team, that's a lot of draft picks.

PFF had an interesting article (maybe it was draftmetrics, I don't remember) that compared Quantity vs Quality in drafting. Basically found the value the past five years of trading up or trading down. The article conclude that more picks is generally better.

Also stated was that two of the teams that have done the most trading down for extra picks (Packers and Patriots) also happen to have the two of the best records over the past five years. So, yea, maybe only half those guys make the roster. But more picks give us a better chance to hit on players.

I'm intrigued by Charles Johnson. His measureables are incredible yet he fell to nearly undrafted. If he gets his head on straight that could be an epic steal for the Packers. 11 foot broad jump? 4.38 40-time? Big, solid possession receiver build? And 7th round? Crazy.

Those two teams also have the best QBs in the game. So is it the extra draft picks or the QBs? I would find it difficult to differentiate any conclusions from it. BB also bombs on a lot of draft picks as well(all teams do), so it's not like he's drafting a perfect team around Brady.

I've watched some of Johnson, he looks soft to me, but he definitely has the measurables.

 

[MaxThreshold]

The decline of Woodson, loss of Collins, and Hawk never really growing into a top lineback have hurt them. I think this defense will be strong in 2 more years. It's the waiting game that sucks.

They've patched up the D and at some point it fell through. Sam Shields shouldn't be a starting CB, Tramon didn't live up to the playoff run, Walden/Bishop/Jones/Perry haven't been healthy/played well enough. Harrell/Neal/Worthy haven't lived up to the draft position. It's a combination of a lot of stuff, but at this point I like GB's front 7 more than the back 4. I think the front 3 is intact. Matthews/hawk/bishop/perry can be solid with a good line in front of them. But I would like GB to get another CB(assuming Heyward stays at nickel).

With that said, how long before people worry about offense?

-With the money spent on Matthews/soon to be on Rodgers and probably on Raji + TT MO, free agency isn't going to help.

RB- it's a problem spot, even if it's not a priority on the offense

TE- if they let finley walk after the season, I don't think Williams can fill his shoes

OL- RG/RTis solid if Sitton/Bulaga can stay healthy. But LT/LG/C is average at best. Will Sherrod ever get on the field? Will Newhouse/Lang/EDS improve?

WR- Jennings/Driver just left. James Jones is an UFA after the season and Jordy Nelson is an UFA after 2014 season. Plus in 2 years Nelson will be 29 like Greg Jennings and most likely won't be back. That will leave them with Cobb.

QB- Need to get a solid backup if Harrell/Coleman(I like Coleman) don't develop. Remember Rodgers has taken a ton of sacks the past few years and they've been lucky he hasn't missed much time.

Well lets see how they look now.

RB- No longer a problem spot by getting a double dip of talent in the draft. I don't think Lacy/Franklin are world beaters or ever be in the top 10 of RBs in the league, but it's a huge upgrade over what they've had the past few years.

TE- Didn't get addressed. Maybe they resign Finley? I know they have a bunch of backup TEs, but I don't see them ever as very good.

OL-Liked how they picked up a couple of solid OL in round 4. I was thinking they would snag Barrett Jones as he was falling, but they passed and traded down. Either way this adds depth/competition which helps.

WR- Added a couple of 7th rounders. I guess we'll see what they do with Jones/Nelson moving forward.

QB- Didn't address it, shocked.

Other

Added a CB and two LBs-nobody to get very excited about.

Overall a solid draft for GB. But I have to wonder how many of the 10 players make the team, that's a lot of draft picks.

PFF had an interesting article (maybe it was draftmetrics, I don't remember) that compared Quantity vs Quality in drafting. Basically found the value the past five years of trading up or trading down. The article conclude that more picks is generally better.

Also stated was that two of the teams that have done the most trading down for extra picks (Packers and Patriots) also happen to have the two of the best records over the past five years. So, yea, maybe only half those guys make the roster. But more picks give us a better chance to hit on players.

I'm intrigued by Charles Johnson. His measureables are incredible yet he fell to nearly undrafted. If he gets his head on straight that could be an epic steal for the Packers. 11 foot broad jump? 4.38 40-time? Big, solid possession receiver build? And 7th round? Crazy.

Yeah, I thought the same thing.

 

[Dark Matter]

ted thomson is my hero for seeing the future he is awesome at drafts knows who to keep and who to let go and knew that brett the weiner texter john edwards part deus favre was a traitor to wisconsins values and dumped him to and now old brent has to come crawling back and man when the barn that used to say 4 ever in our hearts says 12 is three times number 4 you know who won that one baby so take that right to bank brohans

BROHAN!!

 

[tdmills]

Heard Bulaga and Sitton are moving to the left side.

 

[sho nuff]

Heard Bulaga and Sitton are moving to the left side.

Not sure I like moving Sitton and Lang around.

They seem suited for where they were. May not be that big of a deal.

Interesting to see if Bulaga can make that transition.

Wondering if the rookie wins the RT job...will be some nice competition there with Sherrod, Barclay, the rook and even to see if Newhouse does any better at RT.

 

[tdmills]

Heard Bulaga and Sitton are moving to the left side.

Not sure I like moving Sitton and Lang around.

They seem suited for where they were. May not be that big of a deal.

Interesting to see if Bulaga can make that transition.

Wondering if the rookie wins the RT job...will be some nice competition there with Sherrod, Barclay, the rook and even to see if Newhouse does any better at RT.

What surprises me is that Bulaga struggled vs Ivrin(speed rusher) last year and now they move him to the left side? It seems like they're going from a good to great RT and making him an average LT or worse. But who knows

 

[sho nuff]

I think making him an average LT would be an improvement for them.

And not sure I would have called him great at RT. Good was about right.

I think they eventually wanted him at LT all along...but needed to bring him on at RT...then Newhouse had a few good games in 2011 and they liked some things and kept him there. Even read talk that he would have possibly moved to LT last year when Newhouse was struggling but then Bulaga got hurt.

Also wondering if moving Sitton is a product of he and Bulaga working well together and wanting to keep them next to each other.

 

[tdmills]

I think making him an average LT would be an improvement for them.

And not sure I would have called him great at RT. Good was about right.

I think they eventually wanted him at LT all along...but needed to bring him on at RT...then Newhouse had a few good games in 2011 and they liked some things and kept him there. Even read talk that he would have possibly moved to LT last year when Newhouse was struggling but then Bulaga got hurt.

Also wondering if moving Sitton is a product of he and Bulaga working well together and wanting to keep them next to each other.

I can see all of that. I also would've left Sitton on the right side, but maybe it is a chemistry thing. Most teams run the ball to the right more than the left. I wonder if that switches for GB with the line change and Bulaga being a better run blocker.