proninja
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The @SF game is the one that's worried me all year. 2 seed wouldn't be terrible, but a wild card would be a huge disappointment.
It's nice to have a cushion there. NO on Monday night is probably for the 1 seed.
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It's nice to have a cushion there. NO on Monday night is probably for the 1 seed.
ImTheScientist
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Hooper31
Footballguy
I had a sense that P Jon Ryan was having a special year, but I had no idea until I looked at the numbers.
45 punts
18 inside the 20 yard line
11 returned
16 total return yards for a 1.4 yard average.
F me. Seriously? 16 total return yards in 11 games? Compare this to NYG. 25 returned punts at 18.3 yards per return. That's a total of 458 yards in 10 games. That's more than 40 yards per game. Jeremy Lane and Chris Maragos also deserve special mentions. Those guys are doing solid work.
45 punts
18 inside the 20 yard line
11 returned
16 total return yards for a 1.4 yard average.
F me. Seriously? 16 total return yards in 11 games? Compare this to NYG. 25 returned punts at 18.3 yards per return. That's a total of 458 yards in 10 games. That's more than 40 yards per game. Jeremy Lane and Chris Maragos also deserve special mentions. Those guys are doing solid work.
biju
Footballguy
The record is something like 22 yards for the year, however I think that is pre-modern football and with 14 games. The modern record is something like 30 yards.
PainTrain
Footballguy
add to this: 18 fair catches and 4 touchbacks. Over 40% the punts are fair catches, #2 in the NFL, just 0.1% behind Denver. and the ones that are "returned" are immediately snuffed out. Punt coverage deserves a tip of the cap for that work, too. FWIW, New Orleans is third from the bottom in punts for fair catches% at just 14.71%.Hooper31 said:
Hooper31
Footballguy
I heard Dan Patrick on the radio talking about the Seahawks in a rather negative light. He was harping on the team for having too many PED suspensions. I read yesterday from multiple sources that Thurmond was being suspended for for a non-PED substance infraction.
Has Dan Patrick learned something new, or was he just rambling on about how the team should receive extra penalties because he made an incorrect assumption?
Has Dan Patrick learned something new, or was he just rambling on about how the team should receive extra penalties because he made an incorrect assumption?
proninja
Footballguy
He wouldn't be the first to make that incorrect assumption, but I have no knowledge other than what I read here.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I dunno if I can find the article or post but the Skins have had more PED suspensions than Sestyle in the same timeframe for players who were actually on a WAS when they got tested, even if you count Sherman. Two of Seattle's suspended players tested positive before they joined the Seahawks. Sherman's mouth is what keeps this I accuracy being repeated all the time.
CapnJB
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ImTheScientist
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Seems his timing is a little odd since the last time a Seahawk tested positive for PEDs was the offseason.
The front office had to have known about his positive test for at least a couple weeks, so my question is wouldn't it have made more sense to reach out to him right as Browner went down? That way he could have had time to get back into the program and into game shape before this big matchup.
biju
Footballguy
With limited roster space it might not be a very prudent move since every agent publishes every talk to Twitter to try to create a market. It might tip off opponents of pending problems and might actually create that market.
That's definitely a possibility. My thought would have been just to sign him once Browner went down and the knowledge of a Thurmond suspension.
Who knows, maybe Seattle is better off just sticking to the guys they have. Next man up. Maxwell and Lane made Will Blackmon expendable, and he's one of the best defenders on the Jags. They seem really high on Shead as well, paying him as much to be on the practice squad as he would be making on the 53.
ImTheScientist
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In another thread I said I hope they bring up Shead and sign Winfield. If they do that Im going to take it as Browner is done for the year. Shead is 6'2", 220.....
Doctor Detroit
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You have "respond" spelled incorrectly in your signature.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Based on the pattern of abuse and suspensions it seems reasonably likely the team is actively encouraging or facilitating steroid use. Hopefully they won't win anything. Not sure there's an asterisk big enough to fit the Super Bowl.
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Neofight
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Hooper31
Footballguy
If you really believe that its because you want to believe that, or your looking to get a reaction out of someone.
Hooper31
Footballguy
PainTrain
Footballguy
Let's pretend the Seahawks are the only team adding players to the list.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_and_coaches_suspended_by_the_NFL
Also, let's pretend Browner and Thurmond are in trouble for not marijuana.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_and_coaches_suspended_by_the_NFL
Also, let's pretend Browner and Thurmond are in trouble for not marijuana.
Neofight
Footballguy
It wouldn't surprise me at all if he Seahawks continue to see increased failed tests for substance abuse until the league eases up on MJ; it's just too readily available up here. And the #### is good to boot.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Neofight
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Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
proninja
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mad sweeney
Footballguy
How do you get that from two guys who are suspended for drugs?
nvm, you self abased yourself already for being wrong.
also, also wik: going off the PED stigma of the Seahawks, iirc 2 or 3 of their positive tests came from players who weren't even on the Seahawks when they failed their tests but had been picked up by them before the suspensions were announced/served.
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Hooper31
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ImTheScientist
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Pro Tip: Don't let trolls upset you. Sometimes the best response is no response. Its the ultimate counter-troll.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
I think the problem is that it was first reported as PEDs...then it changed and people had already run with the PED part...or assumed it anyway of course.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Looks like they signedPerrish Cox
Doctor Detroit
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Making sure we have proper attribution here.Hooper31 said:
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Awesome! I really like Shead.
biju
Footballguy
I'd love it if he could get in for a series late in the game (i.e. the Seahawks have the game in hand) so he can get some experience and we can see him in real action. I think he's got the ability but it's tough to know until he steps on the grass. Or field turf.ImTheScientist said:
biju
Footballguy
Video of Shead picking Osweiler in preseason:
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000231438/Shead-picks-off-Osweiler
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap2000000231438/Shead-picks-off-Osweiler
proninja
Footballguy
Browner's appeal was heard today. A decision should come quickly. We'll probably find out if it's a 4 game suspension he can serve while injured and he'll be back in time for the playoffs or if he's gone in the next couple days.
Folks I follow on twitter are saying shead is going to be activated by Monday one way or the other.
Folks I follow on twitter are saying shead is going to be activated by Monday one way or the other.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
Interesting stuff on Browner, written by Hawkblogger.....
seahawk 17
Footballguy
If another Seattle player gets off or a reduced sentence again, people's heads will blow up. 
biju
Footballguy
I don't think he will or necessarily that he should. I would *like* for that to be the case since it helps the team but the guy knew what he was doing and got caught. Whether it is the first offense or not, the idea that he figured he could just do it and not face consequences was extremely selfish.If another Seattle player gets off or a reduced sentence again, people's heads will blow up.
seahawk 17
Footballguy
Brandon Browner's appeal of what is reportedly a year-long suspension could end up having no bearing on the Seahawks' season considering the cornerback is dealing with a groin injury that may land him on injured reserve.
It's certainly important for Browner, though, and according to John Clayton there's reason for hope.
"Don't discount the chance of him winning this case. He could win this case," Clayton said during "Cold Hard Facts" Wednesday afternoon on 710 ESPN Seattle.
Browner reportedly had his hearing Wednesday to appeal the suspension, which stems from an alleged violation of the league's substance-abuse policy. According to Clayton, Browner isn't challenging his latest failed test but rather where he stood in the league's substance-abuse program, which could be an important distinction based on how the punishments vary depending on the phase of the program a player is in.
According to Clayton, Browner was in the substance-abuse program when he was a rookie with the Broncos back in 2005, and when he failed to show up for drug testing after he was released that season, it counted against him. Browner's argument, according to Clayton, is that he was not aware and/or was never notified that he was still required to take drug tests while he was unsigned and technically not an NFL employee.
"He's just out of college, he doesn't have a cell phone, he's collecting unemployment, there's no way to get a hold of him," Clayton said, "and the league is contacting him and saying, 'OK, you've got to test.' Well, can they show proper proof that they did try to contact him?"
Clayton characterized Browner's chances of winning his appeal as unlikely, noting that the league would have to overturn a suspension it handed down. He also noted, though, that fellow Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman surprisingly won his appeal of a four-game suspension last season.
"This thing is not over," Clayton said.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=292&sid=2403989
It's certainly important for Browner, though, and according to John Clayton there's reason for hope.
"Don't discount the chance of him winning this case. He could win this case," Clayton said during "Cold Hard Facts" Wednesday afternoon on 710 ESPN Seattle.
Browner reportedly had his hearing Wednesday to appeal the suspension, which stems from an alleged violation of the league's substance-abuse policy. According to Clayton, Browner isn't challenging his latest failed test but rather where he stood in the league's substance-abuse program, which could be an important distinction based on how the punishments vary depending on the phase of the program a player is in.
According to Clayton, Browner was in the substance-abuse program when he was a rookie with the Broncos back in 2005, and when he failed to show up for drug testing after he was released that season, it counted against him. Browner's argument, according to Clayton, is that he was not aware and/or was never notified that he was still required to take drug tests while he was unsigned and technically not an NFL employee.
"He's just out of college, he doesn't have a cell phone, he's collecting unemployment, there's no way to get a hold of him," Clayton said, "and the league is contacting him and saying, 'OK, you've got to test.' Well, can they show proper proof that they did try to contact him?"
Clayton characterized Browner's chances of winning his appeal as unlikely, noting that the league would have to overturn a suspension it handed down. He also noted, though, that fellow Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman surprisingly won his appeal of a four-game suspension last season.
"This thing is not over," Clayton said.
http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=292&sid=2403989
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I don't see it happening. It's black and white, not a judgment call like head shots. Plus he's already got the PED suspension. Even if the rule about absentee tests is exceptionally unfair, the nflpa agreed to it and therefore he did. He knew what the consequences would be and that he was getting tested often and he still got high. No reason whatsoever to give him leniency and he certainly doesn't deserve it. If he has a serious problem then I hope he gets help because sitting out a year and knowing he pissed away ten million dollars is certainly enough to think about doing drastic things.I don't think he will or necessarily that he should. I would *like* for that to be the case since it helps the team but the guy knew what he was doing and got caught. Whether it is the first offense or not, the idea that he figured he could just do it and not face consequences was extremely selfish.If another Seattle player gets off or a reduced sentence again, people's heads will blow up.
biju
Footballguy
Actually, the previous PED suspension has no influence on the current potential suspension. This article is a great primer for where everything currently stands for Browner:I don't see it happening. It's black and white, not a judgment call like head shots. Plus he's already got the PED suspension. Even if the rule about absentee tests is exceptionally unfair, the nflpa agreed to it and therefore he did. He knew what the consequences would be and that he was getting tested often and he still got high. No reason whatsoever to give him leniency and he certainly doesn't deserve it. If he has a serious problem then I hope he gets help because sitting out a year and knowing he pissed away ten million dollars is certainly enough to think about doing drastic things.I don't think he will or necessarily that he should. I would *like* for that to be the case since it helps the team but the guy knew what he was doing and got caught. Whether it is the first offense or not, the idea that he figured he could just do it and not face consequences was extremely selfish.If another Seattle player gets off or a reduced sentence again, people's heads will blow up.
http://www.hawkblogger.com/2013/11/where-things-stand-with-brandon-browner.html
proninja
Footballguy
Probably. But if he gets the appropriate penalty for a first time positive for the first time he tested positive (if that is indeed the case), I won't really understand the outrage.If another Seattle player gets off or a reduced sentence again, people's heads will blow up.
ImTheScientist
Footballguy
It's amazing how many people here don't understand this.Actually, the previous PED suspension has no influence on the current potential suspension. This article is a great primer for where everything currently stands for Browner:I don't see it happening. It's black and white, not a judgment call like head shots. Plus he's already got the PED suspension. Even if the rule about absentee tests is exceptionally unfair, the nflpa agreed to it and therefore he did. He knew what the consequences would be and that he was getting tested often and he still got high. No reason whatsoever to give him leniency and he certainly doesn't deserve it. If he has a serious problem then I hope he gets help because sitting out a year and knowing he pissed away ten million dollars is certainly enough to think about doing drastic things.I don't think he will or necessarily that he should. I would *like* for that to be the case since it helps the team but the guy knew what he was doing and got caught. Whether it is the first offense or not, the idea that he figured he could just do it and not face consequences was extremely selfish.If another Seattle player gets off or a reduced sentence again, people's heads will blow up.
http://www.hawkblogger.com/2013/11/where-things-stand-with-brandon-browner.html
