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***Official 2013 World Series Thread Red Sox v Cardinals*** (1 Viewer)

Who wins?

  • Red Sox in 7

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • Red Sox in 6

    Votes: 20 34.5%
  • Red Sox in 5

    Votes: 7 12.1%
  • Red Sox in 4

    Votes: 3 5.2%
  • Cards in 7

    Votes: 4 6.9%
  • Cards in 6

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Cards in 5

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Cards in 4

    Votes: 1 1.7%

  • Total voters
    58
man this thread got annoying. mildly embarrassed by the jackassedness displayed by my fellow sox fans.

really hope they finish in 6 and i'm pulling for lackey big time. he's a good dude.

 
Bob Sacamano said:
wilked said:
Love these exciting NL rules...
Coming next season: designated runner and designated thrower
Some state high school associations have adopted the "courtesy runner" rule, where a player can be designated to run for the catcher or pitcher when they reach base without having to sub them out of the game. It was installed to give managers a way to get another player into the game, as well as speed up transitions between innings.I expect the AL to add this by the end of the decade to artificially increase scoring even further.

 
ffldrew said:
When we were kids you would get free seats for straight A's in school and they would be seats in the upper deck at Busch II - we would all choose the same games and being smart ### kids we would try all game to land a paper airplane from the upper deck to the field turning it into contest. I had a buddy who could make it happen around 15% of the time - which was pretty good for being so far away.
I remember those games. Usually Monday or Tuesday nights against Houston, Cincinnati, or Pittsburgh. For some reason the Cardinals didn't want to give away 8000 seats to weekend games against the Cubs or Mets. Go figure.

I was at the legendary Seat Cushion Night when Tommy Herr homered in extra innings to beat the Mets, and THOUSANDS of Cardinals Seat Cushions came raining down to the field as Herr circled the bases.

 
Boston guys. I'm headed to the game Wednesday.

I'm going to try to get a cab to the airport after the game, impossible? I have a 530 am flight so I figure I'll party and go direct to the airport from game.

I went to a game this summer and remember not being able to find a cab for hours. I ended up walking to my hotel which was a good ways down Newbury Street. I don't think I want to do that again if it's 40 degrees out and I'm in business attire. Any ideas on the best area to be to find a cab or if I should just try the T?

 
Boston guys. I'm headed to the game Wednesday.

I'm going to try to get a cab to the airport after

the game, impossible? I have a 530 am flight so I figure I'll party and go direct to the airport from game.

I went to a game this summer and remember not being able to find a cab for hours. I ended up walking to my hotel which was a good ways

down Newbury Street. I don't think I want to do that again if it's 40 degrees out and I'm in business attire. Any ideas on the best area to be to find a cab or if I should just try the T?
Download the Uber App to your phone and use that to get yourself a car. It will be roughly 30% more than a cab but well worth it. Boston might even have Uber X available which would be about the same price as a cab. Über let's you know how long it will take to pick you up, double however minutes it shows to be safe.

 
I'm really hoping the Sox wrap this up tomorrow night but this series has had the feel of going to distance since the beginning. I think we get a ghoulish Game 7 on Halloween.

 
Cool. Thanks gang.

Every ballpark I've been to they have cabs lined up after the game. Hundreds of them. Fenway, forget about it. I'll try uber or a car service.

 
Boston guys. I'm headed to the game Wednesday.

I'm going to try to get a cab to the airport after the game, impossible? I have a 530 am flight so I figure I'll party and go direct to the airport from game.

I went to a game this summer and remember not being able to find a cab for hours. I ended up walking to my hotel which was a good ways down Newbury Street. I don't think I want to do that again if it's 40 degrees out and I'm in business attire. Any ideas on the best area to be to find a cab or if I should just try the T?
Just a thought but how about scheduling a private airport limo from any hotel nearby at a set time, and just walk to that hotel and wait for your car to show up?

EDIT: I didn't know uber was in Boston... Uber is the ####.

 
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Couple defensive gems from last nite...

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/1/0/2/63460102/102813_lester_barehand_hyatt_k3mfpy4m.gif

http://mlb.mlb.com/images/9/4/0/63460940/102813_drew_leap_catch_hyatt_wsk69dfh.gif

Bender, how you score tickets?

I almost had a pair for tomorrow night back before Game 1 off craigslist, but the guy said they sold one minute before I called. Would have been $250 each, RF Roof Box...
Stubhub my friend. 700 for standing room lol.

If you want in, let me know gb.

 
man this thread got annoying. mildly embarrassed by the jackassedness displayed by my fellow sox fans.

really hope they finish in 6 and i'm pulling for lackey big time. he's a good dude.
:shrug:

Apart from johnnycakes, I wasn't bothered by any of them. Pretty much just wilked and icon being wilked and icon.

 
OK - looks like they need Wacha to be awesome once again
If their bats don't wake up, it's not going to matter.
Lackey about to pitch in the biggest game of his life... if he doesn't rise to the occasion I could see Cards bats waking up. They are no slouch offensively.

I know it's no REAL surprise that great pitching beats great hitting... but it has really surprised me just HOW true that has been this series. These were two very potent offenses and yet in the WS we're seeing a cumulative statline of .211 BA / .581 OPS. A drop of .060+ on BA and almost .200 on OPS.

Thats nuts.

 
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Holliday's HR was the only Run Lester has ever allowed in his World Series Career.

:tebow:

3 games started. 21 innings. 1 run.

 
filthy k of carpenter
pitch trax said outside - carpenter squeezed pretty good tonight
A batter squeezed pretty good? What does that even mean? :lol:

Looking at the pitch plots for this game it was actually remarkably well called considering both guys were throwing gas and had sick motion on the ball.
Even Brooks said on Twitter last night that it was a well-called game, aside from the first call on Carpenter.

Carpenter had pitches both inside and outside of the plate called as strike three's on him.

 
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Matthias said:
First time I've felt hopeful about the series since the 7th inning of Game 2. But it's been a great one to watch.

From Verducci: "From Games 2-5, the Red Sox and Cardinals have remained within two runs of one another for 35 of the 36 innings." There's been a couple of defensive (and coaching) miscues, but overall it's just been fantastic play on both sides.
That explains why almost every pitch since about 7:15 pm or so last Thursday has been so nerve-wracking.

I'll be frustrated and disappointed if the Cardinals don't win the Series... but do you know what's worse than losing in the World Series? Not playing in it at all.

Haven't mentioned to the wife and kid that if the Cardinals win on Wednesday, there's a winner-take-all Game 7 on Halloween night. Worried they will turn on me and root for baseball season to end before Halloween if armed with that information.

 
Matthias said:
First time I've felt hopeful about the series since the 7th inning of Game 2. But it's been a great one to watch.

From Verducci: "From Games 2-5, the Red Sox and Cardinals have remained within two runs of one another for 35 of the 36 innings." There's been a couple of defensive (and coaching) miscues, but overall it's just been fantastic play on both sides.
I'm guessing the only inning it wasn't was when Gomes hit his 3 run HR.

 
Matthias said:
First time I've felt hopeful about the series since the 7th inning of Game 2. But it's been a great one to watch.

From Verducci: "From Games 2-5, the Red Sox and Cardinals have remained within two runs of one another for 35 of the 36 innings." There's been a couple of defensive (and coaching) miscues, but overall it's just been fantastic play on both sides.
I'm guessing the only inning it wasn't was when Gomes hit his 3 run HR.
Yep. Gomes's HR made it 4-1 in the top of the sixth. Cards got one in the bottom of the seventh.

 
Outside of game 1, it has been a very well pitched series. The difference is the timing of the BOS hits. Someone other than Ortiz has been stepping up and delivering a key hit. Not so much for the Cards.

 
Some info stolen from SOSH re: Home Plate Ump & Catching options Wed:

mabrowndog said:
Jim Joyce will be calling balls & strikes tomorrow night. Last time he was behind the plate at Fenway for a postseason game, this happened.

He's called three of Lackey's career starts, including twice with the Angels -- 6/30/2002 vs LAD (a 5-1 win), 8/5/2003 @ BOS (9 ER in 4 IP in a 10-9 loss) -- and once in his first year with the Sox on 9/28/2010 @ CWS (a solid 6 IP, 3 H, 2 ER outing blown by Atchison, Bard & Bowden).

As for the Game 6 catching debate, Lackey has been the most vocal Boston pitcher in giving effusive praise to Salty this season. I expect Salty to get the call despite all the hand-wringing over his offensive struggles, and I believe that would be the right decision. In addition to the relief inning in Game 4, Ross caught Lackey in just two starts this year, both losses: 5-0 in TOR on April 6, and 5-3 at home vs MIN on May 9.

Lackey was ####### nails with Salty behind the plate in ALCS G3 and again in WS G2 before Breslow #### the bed. If Farrell's going to play the "I don't want to disrupt a good thing" card again, then giving the starting pitcher the backstop of his choice exceeds BY FAR the relative importance of which catcher bats 8th in the lineup against a guy in Wacha who's likely to shut both of them down anyway.
 
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I'd be very tempted to hold Lackey back a game and pitch him game 7 given the 3-2 lead. He's by far their best pitcher left and not sure i'd want him going against Wacha. Obviously won't happen cause it could be interpreted as giving the Cards game 6 and sending the wrong message to your team, but i really think it should get some thought.

 
I'd be very tempted to hold Lackey back a game and pitch him game 7 given the 3-2 lead. He's by far their best pitcher left and not sure i'd want him going against Wacha. Obviously won't

happen cause it could be interpreted as giving the Cards game 6 and sending the wrong message to your team, but i really think it should get some thought.
Yeah, no

 
I'd be very tempted to hold Lackey back a game and pitch him game 7 given the 3-2 lead. He's by far their best pitcher left and not sure i'd want him going against Wacha. Obviously won't

happen cause it could be interpreted as giving the Cards game 6 and sending the wrong message to your team, but i really think it should get some thought.
Yeah, no
:goodposting:

Boston does NOT want this to go 7. Using Lackey tonight frees up Peavy, Doubront (if not used tonight), Lester and then the pen for Game 7. Bucholz could possibly be used in game 7 for an inning or two if needed as well.

Lackey has been solid this year.He definitely is our guy vs Wacha. You don't simply concede game 6 when you've got your foot on their throats.

 
For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.

 
For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.
Carpenter and Craig are homegrown bench bats from the last two years that have transformed into sensational regulars. Adams, Wong and Taveras are supposed to be that next crop, but unfortunately Taveras is hurt and Wong has looked a little overwhelmed.

You are right though, the bench has been an issue all season. Much of that lies at the feet of Ty Wigginton, who was paid to come in and be that solid RH hitters off the bench.

 
For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.
Carpenter and Craig are homegrown bench bats from the last two years that have transformed into sensational regulars. Adams, Wong and Taveras are supposed to be that next crop, but unfortunately Taveras is hurt and Wong has looked a little overwhelmed.

You are right though, the bench has been an issue all season. Much of that lies at the feet of Ty Wigginton, who was paid to come in and be that solid RH hitters off the bench.
Read that again without laughing. I dare you.

 
For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.
Carpenter and Craig are homegrown bench bats from the last two years that have transformed into sensational regulars. Adams, Wong and Taveras are supposed to be that next crop, but unfortunately Taveras is hurt and Wong has looked a little overwhelmed.

You are right though, the bench has been an issue all season. Much of that lies at the feet of Ty Wigginton, who was paid to come in and be that solid RH hitters off the bench.
Read that again without laughing. I dare you.
:shrug:

Point taken.

I'm not saying it was a good idea, I'm just saying that he was signed to provide exactly what the Cards are lacking.

You give a guy that plays four or five positions and has hit 128 HR over the last seven seasons $5 mil over two years to come be a RH hitter off the bench... and he completely wets the bed.

 
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For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.
They probably did not help themselves by giving Miller and Mujica two dead roster spots. Though the players who could have taken their spots would not have been great options either.

 
For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.
Carpenter and Craig are homegrown bench bats from the last two years that have transformed into sensational regulars. Adams, Wong and Taveras are supposed to be that next crop, but unfortunately Taveras is hurt and Wong has looked a little overwhelmed.

You are right though, the bench has been an issue all season. Much of that lies at the feet of Ty Wigginton, who was paid to come in and be that solid RH hitters off the bench.
Freese and Jay regressed this season, Freese frighteningly so. I don't think we would be noticing the lack of bench punch as much if Freese and Jay were producing at 2012 levels.

It seemed like the plan before the season was to let Beltran play out his contract and then make Taveras the RF in 2014, but with Beltran still a useful player, that decision probably comes down to the FA market for Beltran.

 
For as many great young arms the Cardinals have brought up from their farm system the last 2 years, where are the young hitters? Their bench is an utter disgrace, and they have noone in the minors to move up (I know Oscar Tavarez has been hurt). When you have to bat Pete Kozma with a man on in the 8th down 2 runs, you know you have the worst bench in World Series history. Their only right handed bat on the bench is Tony Cruz (who bats about .200) but Matheny would never use him because he's the only other catcher.

I don't see the Cards bats waking up next 2 games, so they will need to grind out a 2-1 victory in both games. Its amazing they've made it this far in the postseason with their offense.
Carpenter and Craig are homegrown bench bats from the last two years that have transformed into sensational regulars. Adams, Wong and Taveras are supposed to be that next crop, but unfortunately Taveras is hurt and Wong has looked a little overwhelmed.

You are right though, the bench has been an issue all season. Much of that lies at the feet of Ty Wigginton, who was paid to come in and be that solid RH hitters off the bench.
Freese and Jay regressed this season, Freese frighteningly so. I don't think we would be noticing the lack of bench punch as much if Freese and Jay were producing at 2012 levels.

It seemed like the plan before the season was to let Beltran play out his contract and then make Taveras the RF in 2014, but with Beltran still a useful player, that decision probably comes down to the FA market for Beltran.
I just assumed Craig would move to RF next season if they didn't resign Beltran. Adams will need everyday at-bats. I have no idea what that means for Taveras or the CF situation. Lots of different directions they could take this off-season.

 
Would love to see the Sox go after Beltran this offseason
Well, RF is Victorino for the next couple years, and LF Nava had an identical season to Beltran at the plate this year, and only cost 500K
Not sure id call 12 HRs 66 RBIs and a .445 slugging identical to 24 HRs 84 RBIs and a .491 slugging. Beltran also hits at a much less HR friendly park. He's a much scarier hitter than Nava. Ellsbury's gone, Victorino can play any outfield position. Beltran on a short deal would be great protection for Ortiz imo.

 
Would love to see the Sox go after Beltran this offseason
Well, RF is Victorino for the next couple years, and LF Nava had an identical season to Beltran at the plate this year, and only cost 500K
Not sure id call 12 HRs 66 RBIs and a .445 slugging identical to 24 HRs 84 RBIs and a .491 slugging. Beltran also hits at a much less HR friendly park. He's a much scarier hitter than Nava. Ellsbury's gone, Victorino can play any outfield position. Beltran on a short deal would be great protection for Ortiz imo.
Out of curiosity, why did you ignore OBP in your stats?

 
Would love to see the Sox go after Beltran this offseason
Well, RF is Victorino for the next couple years, and LF Nava had an identical season to Beltran at the plate this year, and only cost 500K
Not sure id call 12 HRs 66 RBIs and a .445 slugging identical to 24 HRs 84 RBIs and a .491 slugging. Beltran also hits at a much less HR friendly park. He's a much scarier hitter than Nava. Ellsbury's gone, Victorino can play any outfield position. Beltran on a short deal would be great protection for Ortiz imo.
Out of curiosity, why did you ignore OBP in your stats?
it didn't fit my argument

 
Beltran is definitely not gritty enough to be a Red Sox. Plus, his facial hair possibilities are a joke.

 
Would love to see the Sox go after Beltran this offseason
Well, RF is Victorino for the next couple years, and LF Nava had an identical season to Beltran at the plate this year, and only cost 500K
Not sure id call 12 HRs 66 RBIs and a .445 slugging identical to 24 HRs 84 RBIs and a .491 slugging. Beltran also hits at a much less HR friendly park. He's a much scarier hitter than Nava. Ellsbury's gone, Victorino can play any outfield position. Beltran on a short deal would be great protection for Ortiz imo.
Whole lot of incorrect in here but I'll throw out the bolded:

2013 MLB PARK FACTOR (HR)

23: Fenway .845

24: Busch .837

Fenway = Busch with regards to HR...all things considered.

REGARDING NAVA vs BELTRAN:

OPS: .830 vs .831

WPA: 1.21 vs 1.10

WAR: 1.8 vs 2.0

Ehh... I'll give Beltran a slight edge but it's really close THIS season. Steamer projections give Beltran an edge in 2014.

 
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