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****Official 2014 Chicago Bears Thread **** (1 Viewer)

iamkoza said:
as a bear fan and season ticket holder.... i have no idea what needs to be done to fix this mess. All i know is there needs to be an influx of young talent... I don't know if emery is the guy to acquire that talent... his track record so far has been a mixed bag at best in the draft...

you can fire trestman and mel tucker... but what does that do for you this season? the fix is going to come through multiple years of good drafts... that 31 players from other teams on the bears roster is very telling for how bad the drafting has been
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What is there to save this season? Might as well get started on that rebuild now.

 
flapgreen said:
New Hub column is hilarious...and spot on.

http://m.chicagofootball.com/2014/11/11/hub-arkush-chicago-bears-need-a-coaching-change/abpyh0n/
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Wow, Hub is usually a Bears lapdog. He is absolutely right that the Bears need a change at the top. Notice, that Hub is very careful not to criticize the Bears front office, or Emery. I think he knows that Trestman's days are numbered. He can safely pile on Trestman. But I am still surprised that he was this honest. Hub used to be the publisher of Pro Football Weekly. I loved that publication. But when Hub started working on Bear broadcasts he suddenly seemed to take on the role of an apologist for the Bears. I really stopped trusting him once he started working for the Bears. But in this case he is brutally honest, and he is absolutely right.

 
I can't believe I'm saying this but this may be the worst Bears team of my lifetime, at least with how they're playing now. I can't remember seeing a Bears team completely give up.

 
How is it even remotely possible that no one has been fired? Back to back games giving up over 50 points. Gutless. Both the players on the field and the front office for not making a move. Get rid of Tucker NOW! Firing someone mid season won't help things now, but it would at least be symbolic. Not doing anything when the fans are demanding it is insulting.

Anyone have Cowher or Gruden's phone number? Not sure they would do much better next year with this talent but at least there'd be some passion.

 
3nOut said:
How is it even remotely possible that no one has been fired? Back to back games giving up over 50 points. Gutless. Both the players on the field and the front office for not making a move. Get rid of Tucker NOW! Firing someone mid season won't help things now, but it would at least be symbolic. Not doing anything when the fans are demanding it is insulting.
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This is so dumb, lol. The fans are upset, so fire someone to appease them. My gut tells me that if they fire someone and hire some schlub to replace him the results are going to be the same at best, and probably worse. I have no idea what the core of the problem is in Chicago, but a sacrificial firing isn't going to correct it.

 
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Statcruncher said:
3nOut said:
How is it even remotely possible that no one has been fired? Back to back games giving up over 50 points. Gutless. Both the players on the field and the front office for not making a move. Get rid of Tucker NOW! Firing someone mid season won't help things now, but it would at least be symbolic. Not doing anything when the fans are demanding it is insulting.
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This is so dumb, lol. The fans are upset, so fire someone to appease them. My gut tells me that if they fire someone and hire some schlub to replace him the results are going to be the same at best, and probably worse. I have no idea what the core of the problem is in Chicago, but a sacrificial firing isn't going to correct it.
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First of all, it's interesting that people call firings something just to appease people when there are a lot of ex-bear players out there saying that when a team has quit like this, a new voice in the locker room can actually make a change, even if the scheme largely can't. Patrick Manley has been big on this on the score, and at least two other not bitter ex bears have expressed the same things.

Second, when you in season fire you don't go out an hire someone to replace him, you do it internally. If we fired Tucker, Paul Pasqualoni or Jon Hoke would likely take over. Both are pretty respected coaches and I know Pasqualoni has been a DC before. It's a little less clear if they fired Trestman, some media have floated Cavanaugh's name, but I don't know much about him.

When the defense looks to have completely quit and rolled over after 3 absolutely abysmal performances on the year, and most of the rest didn't look that great, how can you not try a change? After coming out of a bye week, and just dying like that, something is wrong. Will removing Tucker fix that and fire them up, and at least have them trying and competing? No clue, but nothing I have seen yet this year tells me that without a change anything will turn around. Had they come out of the bye and at least held the packers to 28, 30 points got some stops, ok, there is still some effort being shown, I wouldn't call for a firing. After this, I don't see how you can't do something.

 
I agree with you, when a team takes beatings like that especially with a bye to prepare there is something terribly wrong within the organization. That being said, what good does a mid-season firing and promoting from within said organization do? Whatever has caused the utter collapse of the Bears runs way deeper than one person. It's not something that's going to be repaired midseason.

Do you really think the Bears players care if Tucker is canned or not? I know it's pretty common to fire a coach when a team is underperforming, but IMO it seems pretty reactionary. Maybe Tucker getting fired would ignite some players to work harder. From what I've seen the past few games I highly doubt it.

And as for the ex-Bear players, they know about as much about the current locker room as you and I do. Being past Bears gives them a platfrom to express their opinion, but it doesn't mean their opinion is any more valid than yours or mine.

 
I agree with a lot of what you said except for the last part. Some of those guys still have friends on the team and in the locker room. They know a lot more than week do, especially a guy like Mannelly.

 
This team sucks, with or without Tucker but he still needs to go. He's the leader of the worst defense in Bears history. That should be your job.

 
I'd say it's 50/50, a lot of times after a firing a team can come together and play hard for an interim coach or coordinator. That all depends on if there is a guy in there that is respected and can take over and command the respect. If there isn't a single person on the coaching staff that players actually respect, then no, it will make no difference.

I also disagree that ex-players don't know what's going on in the locker room at all. Now there are some I wouldn't listen to a thing they say, but there are guys that still have friends on the team, that still talk regularly with players there that probably do know what's going on. They can't throw guys under the bus and say "Hey Tillman told me they gave up and don't care anymore", but I think there are some that have a pretty clear view.

 
#Bears defensive coordinator Mel Tucker says no lineup changes this week. "We plan on going in with the group that started [in Green Bay]."

 
Top ten pick in the 2015 nfl draft. No matter how things are debated, changes at the executive level better happen. As far as Emery is concerned he is done. His overall drafts have not helped this team. Coordinators need to go as well. It is a failure across the board at this level. The expectation this year was very high after the offensive improvements last year but the warning signs came along when they retained Tucker. Then the bottom fell out as they were completely exposed in the third preseason game when the Seahawks crushed the starters and it has been a slow decent. The games they lost vs NE and GB look a heck of a lot like that Seattle beating. Where were the adjustments to the glaring holes? The fact that the organization could not adapt prove that the issues run deep. I agree with others, I cannot recall a Bears defense that seemed to just quit. The two TDs from Nelson were just sickening. This team will be lucky to get two more wins this year.

 
Statcruncher said:
I agree with you, when a team takes beatings like that especially with a bye to prepare there is something terribly wrong within the organization. That being said, what good does a mid-season firing and promoting from within said organization do? Whatever has caused the utter collapse of the Bears runs way deeper than one person. It's not something that's going to be repaired midseason.

Do you really think the Bears players care if Tucker is canned or not? I know it's pretty common to fire a coach when a team is underperforming, but IMO it seems pretty reactionary. Maybe Tucker getting fired would ignite some players to work harder. From what I've seen the past few games I highly doubt it.

And as for the ex-Bear players, they know about as much about the current locker room as you and I do. Being past Bears gives them a platfrom to express their opinion, but it doesn't mean their opinion is any more valid than yours or mine.
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A firing now won't fix anything, but it wouldn't be for the players, it would be for the fans. Doing nothing now doesn't guarantee anything will be done in the offseason. Firing Tucker now and replacing him in the interim, would force them to bring someone new in next year. It's at least SOME assurance they are trying to do some thing to fix this.
 
A weird anomaly this weekend, but for those who don't know, Bears/Vikings will be on CBS and not FOX. FOX agreed to give up the game.

 
One thing new coaching staffs can do mid season is evaluate inhouse talent and decide who is worth keeping with an eye towards their system next year.

 
flapgreen said:
Mel Tucker: We were not prepared enough for Green Bay
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Translation: "I should be fired for not having my defense ready for the most important game of the season with an extra week to do so? What other proof do you need that I am inept and in over my head??"

 
What would you guys prefer to see (and don't start spewing odds of it not happening)? Just for kicks, would you prefer to have the Bears win out and make the playoffs or lose out and get a high pick? Running the table would be very entertaining but they would still probably lose in the playoffs. It would also almost certainly give us another year of the current staff. Losing out gives you a good pick but it doesn't mean that the pick will be a correct one. The staff would most likely be replaced but that's not even guaranteed.

Choose wisely...

 
Now once they're eliminated, I don't care either way. They could lose every game by 50 and it wouldn't matter. I'm sure the organization has already decided what it will do. They're not a results oriented organization.

 
Of course I'd rather see them turn it around and make a miracle run.

Our only chance at a wildcard is beating Detroit and hoping they cave after that. Philly & Dallas duke it out for the loser to get the other wild card, and Seattle & SF are both rebounding.

One game at a time. Obviously we need this one Sunday or it's time to hibernate early.

:bag:

 
3nOut said:
What would you guys prefer to see (and don't start spewing odds of it not happening)? Just for kicks, would you prefer to have the Bears win out and make the playoffs or lose out and get a high pick? Running the table would be very entertaining but they would still probably lose in the playoffs. It would also almost certainly give us another year of the current staff. Losing out gives you a good pick but it doesn't mean that the pick will be a correct one. The staff would most likely be replaced but that's not even guaranteed.

Choose wisely...
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I would love to see the Bears turn it around. If they won out that would mean they won some really tough games. That would mean they would have beaten the Lions twice. If they won out then you probably would be seeing production from a lot of young players, like Bostic, Greene, Wilson, Vereen, Sutton and Ferguson. It would mean Cutler showed signs of life. It would mean that the coaching staff figured something out. I would much prefer the Bears winning out to tanking things and getting a high draft pick. Winning or losing creates momentum. You want the team moving in the right direction going in to next season.

Right now there are more questions than answers. Can Cutler ever learn to stop forcing throws? Can Cutler actually read defenses? What happened to the Alshon Jeffrey we saw last year? Is this o-line as good as they looked last year? What happened to Tim Jennings? Can either Bostic or Greene play? Why can't the Bears ever find a safety that can play? It would be nice if they found some answers to these questions before the end of the season.

 
ryno1980 said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
flapgreen said:
Now once they're eliminated, I don't care either way. They could lose every game by 50 and it wouldn't matter. I'm sure the organization has already decided what it will do. They're not a results oriented organization.
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is this lance briggs?
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Briggs should be released.
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Briggs is one of their best players on defense, even now. He is rated 13th amongst 4-3 OLB by Pro Football Focus this season. He isn't a leader. He isn't going to save them. His cap hit is $6.5 million, but he is an unrestricted free agent after this year. Cutting him now saves you nothing. He has been a very good player for the Bears for a long time. He has been to the Pro Bowl seven times. He should be treated with respect, allowed to play out his contract, and go finish his career with the Patriots or wherever he wants. Nothing is to be gained by making a scapegoat out of one of the guys who has given you so many great seasons.

 
twistd said:
ryno1980 said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
flapgreen said:
Now once they're eliminated, I don't care either way. They could lose every game by 50 and it wouldn't matter. I'm sure the organization has already decided what it will do. They're not a results oriented organization.
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is this lance briggs?
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Briggs should be released.
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Briggs is one of their best players on defense, even now. He is rated 13th amongst 4-3 OLB by Pro Football Focus this season. He isn't a leader. He isn't going to save them. His cap hit is $6.5 million, but he is an unrestricted free agent after this year. Cutting him now saves you nothing. He has been a very good player for the Bears for a long time. He has been to the Pro Bowl seven times. He should be treated with respect, allowed to play out his contract, and go finish his career with the Patriots or wherever he wants. Nothing is to be gained by making a scapegoat out of one of the guys who has given you so many great seasons.
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Love Briggs
 
twistd said:
ryno1980 said:
Kool-Aid Larry said:
flapgreen said:
Now once they're eliminated, I don't care either way. They could lose every game by 50 and it wouldn't matter. I'm sure the organization has already decided what it will do. They're not a results oriented organization.
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is this lance briggs?
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Briggs should be released.
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Briggs is one of their best players on defense, even now. He is rated 13th amongst 4-3 OLB by Pro Football Focus this season. He isn't a leader. He isn't going to save them. His cap hit is $6.5 million, but he is an unrestricted free agent after this year. Cutting him now saves you nothing. He has been a very good player for the Bears for a long time. He has been to the Pro Bowl seven times. He should be treated with respect, allowed to play out his contract, and go finish his career with the Patriots or wherever he wants. Nothing is to be gained by making a scapegoat out of one of the guys who has given you so many great seasons.
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Briggs: “Sometimes I’m sitting in meetings while coach is talking and sometimes the words just kind of phase out and I’m just staring at the screen. The only thing I can tell is the time. I can see the time, and it’s like, damn, 55 minutes left.’’

Has nothing to do with making him a scapegoat. But he clearly doesn't want to be there and doesn't respect the coaches so show him the door.

 
ryno1980 said:
Briggs: “Sometimes I’m sitting in meetings while coach is talking and sometimes the words just kind of phase out and I’m just staring at the screen. The only thing I can tell is the time. I can see the time, and it’s like, damn, 55 minutes left.’’

Has nothing to do with making him a scapegoat. But he clearly doesn't want to be there and doesn't respect the coaches so show him the door.
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I have been a big fan of Briggs but agree with you that they should cut him if they can't get him under control. Even if he plays well this week he has become a cancer in the locker and this is not what you want to teach the younger impressionable players. Based on his behavior and comments he seems to have checked out and is only interested in collecting a paycheck. He also looks like he wasn't working out too much when he was out with his injury which is unprofessional.

 
flapgreen said:
Briggs is a cancer? I hate this team this year as much as anyone but come on now.
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When most of the beat writers are saying it, there's something to it. He's clearly not fully invested in the system and probably hasn't been ever since Lovie was fired.

:banned: #bearsmakemedrink. When do pitcher's and catchers report?

 
From Michael Wright. Usually a big Bears defender. Probably my favorite Bears guy.

Gotta say it: even at the end with Lovie, I don't remember things at Halas Hall being this bad. This team needs a win in the worst way.

From a vet Bears reporter: this is even worse than the bad Wannstedt years.

 
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