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**OFFICIAL 2014 Dallas Cowboys Offseason Thread (1 Viewer)
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B-Deep
Footballguy
i tend to think ware was going to be better this season
but hey, they filled the defense with low salaried role players last season and it worked pretty well
Yenrub
Footballguy
Was the drop in production all due to injuries?
Does he have anything left in the tank?
B-Deep
Footballguy
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Injuries and missed practice time, IMO.
I anticipate he will have a strong 2014 season if he remains healthy. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely hate that economics forced our hand here. I just think it's disingenuous for the Cowboys brass to say they can replace his production. No way they replace double-digit sacks from that position with 3 scrubs, let alone near the 20 sacks Ware had in 2011.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Hatcher is gone too.
Many here want Jerry to cut players and stop moving money into future years. It's best for the team and it's future. They are not a Super Bowl team even with Ware. Hope he goes somewhere that is a contender, in the AFC
Many here want Jerry to cut players and stop moving money into future years. It's best for the team and it's future. They are not a Super Bowl team even with Ware. Hope he goes somewhere that is a contender, in the AFC
Yenrub
Footballguy
N Zone
Footballguy
DreamTheater
Footballguy
I think that JJ needs to do what the Raiders did to finally get out of the financial hell that Al Davis put them in.
Get rid of all the bad contracts that he has given out thinking "This is the year"
They may suck for a few years, but 4-12 really isn't that much different then 8-8 when you miss the playoffs anyway.
Get rid of all the bad contracts that he has given out thinking "This is the year"
They may suck for a few years, but 4-12 really isn't that much different then 8-8 when you miss the playoffs anyway.
dhockster
Footballguy
The Cowboys are sort of in a "no man's land" in trying to get better. 3 years of 8-8 means they are never drafting that high so they are not getting a lot of exceptional talent from the draft. They hit on Smith and Bryant but seemed to have missed on Claiborne. As for free agents, the cap is hamstringing them this year, so they can't add alot through free agency. By the time they can add enough talent to help Romo win big, they may not have an effective Romo anymore.
I think they should be in rebuild mode, but Jerry can't bring himself to do that
I think they should be in rebuild mode, but Jerry can't bring himself to do that
DreamTheater
Footballguy
The Cowboys made their first move of the free-agency period on Day 2, by reaching an agreement with defensive tackle Terrell McClain on a three-year deal according to multiple sources.
8 tackles in 16 games last year.
ughhhhh.
8 tackles in 16 games last year.
ughhhhh.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
The Dallas Cowboys agreed to terms with DE Jeremy Mincey (Broncos) on a two-year contract worth $4.5 million, including $2 million in guaranteed money.
My 7 round drat from fanspeak.
Please Jerrah go defense!!!!
16 DT AARON DONALD PITTSBURGH
47 DE TRENT MURPHY STANFORD
78 ILB SHAYNE SKOV STANFORD
115 DT ANTHONY JOHNSON LSU
146 DE ED STINSON ALABAMA
206 G WESLEY JOHNSON VANDERBILT
208 RB KAPRI BIBBS COLORADO STATE
215 S SEAN PARKER WASHINGTON
Please Jerrah go defense!!!!
16 DT AARON DONALD PITTSBURGH
47 DE TRENT MURPHY STANFORD
78 ILB SHAYNE SKOV STANFORD
115 DT ANTHONY JOHNSON LSU
146 DE ED STINSON ALABAMA
206 G WESLEY JOHNSON VANDERBILT
208 RB KAPRI BIBBS COLORADO STATE
215 S SEAN PARKER WASHINGTON
Being a long-time (suffering) fan of the Cubs it pains me to say it but the same apathy that has hit Cubs fans over the past few seasons seems to be making it's way to my football team in Dallas. It's still the NFL but man I think it's getting more and more obvious that this team is going to be at a competitive disadvantage until Jerry quite literally dies or atleast grows too old to run the organization. Even then the nepotism will push things to his even less competent son so where is the hope?
Being competitive is about all we can hope for and from that stand-point for the past several seasons atleast games mattered down the stretch. Even that simply HAS to come to an end with the way they are bungling the financial aspect of the game. At this point nothing short of a cleansing will turn things around. Sure ... for this season we'll be right where we've been for awhile ... on the fringe of contention if things break perfectly ... but with our typical lack of depth ... we'll run out of steam in the end. Could this team surprise and actually do well deep into the postseason? Sure ... but realism suggests otherwise.
I don't think a firesale has to lead to many years of poor play but a "catch-up" year seems all but assured. Will Jerry be willing? Come out of it in great cap space and with a high pick to find a new franchise QB if you don't snag one this year to groom. Stop pushing contracts and just take the hit in 2015.
Being competitive is about all we can hope for and from that stand-point for the past several seasons atleast games mattered down the stretch. Even that simply HAS to come to an end with the way they are bungling the financial aspect of the game. At this point nothing short of a cleansing will turn things around. Sure ... for this season we'll be right where we've been for awhile ... on the fringe of contention if things break perfectly ... but with our typical lack of depth ... we'll run out of steam in the end. Could this team surprise and actually do well deep into the postseason? Sure ... but realism suggests otherwise.
I don't think a firesale has to lead to many years of poor play but a "catch-up" year seems all but assured. Will Jerry be willing? Come out of it in great cap space and with a high pick to find a new franchise QB if you don't snag one this year to groom. Stop pushing contracts and just take the hit in 2015.
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Hatcher is visiting Washington and they are interested in Spencer too 
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Excellent posting. I don't understand how any fan of this team can still be clinging to this fantasy of a deep playoff run, let alone a Super Bowl victory with this group. All those who have posted here saying "we're just a piece or two away" or "just a tweak here or there" have just not been paying attention. None whatsoever.Ariakis said:
It's frustrating as a fan to watch with horror how Jerry has mangled this team, but it's another thing to watch fans of the laundry become so blind to the big picture that they reflexively cheer every dumb contract extension, every draft pick, every FA blunder because that's their view of what it means to be a fan. I don't know how much Jerry really cares about what fans think, but at some point when the validation turns to unrest, he can't ignore it. I don't know what's taking folks so long, but maybe this will be the year we collectively wake up and make the turn. Voice discontent on radio, message boards, letters, media, with our credit cards. Whatever. The sooner the better.
Blow it Up
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DreamTheater
Footballguy
I dont have a problem losing either one of these 2.. Hatcher came through big in a contract year, and will get a $$$ contract he wont live up to at his age. Those are the contracts that have gotten us to the point we are now..The Man With No Name said:Hatcher is visiting Washington and they are interested in Spencer too
Spencer just cant stay on the field. If it were a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract, ok..
I would take Spencer back on a show me 1-2 year deal. Hatcher is all about getting paid, so he's gone.I dont have a problem losing either one of these 2.. Hatcher came through big in a contract year, and will get a $$$ contract he wont live up to at his age. Those are the contracts that have gotten us to the point we are now..The Man With No Name said:Hatcher is visiting Washington and they are interested in Spencer too
Spencer just cant stay on the field. If it were a 1 or 2 year incentive laden contract, ok..
We NEED to get young on the DL. Jerry has to draft DT's and DE's IMO. I would love to see them go with 2 DT's, 2DE's and an ILB for the first 5 picks.
We can always get a safety, RB3 or WR3 off the street for very reasonable money. Stay away from them unless it's in the 7th round and a flyer pick.
I think we are 3-4 years away from a run. Romo will still be here with Dez, our lines will have gotten younger and had a few years to play together. THEn we can start to have hope.
Ridgelake
Footballguy
I don't know if its Garrett or Stephen, or both, but someone there is having Jerry's ear about long term thinking. They clearly were in the "win now" mentality with FA signings in 2011. And to a certain degree last year with the proposed starting DL. Obviously it all fell apart. And the powers that be seem to recognize that they aren't close to a SB.
They could have kept Ware. Cap space could have been made by restructuring Witten and Carr. But they chose not to push old money forward.
The only guys on the roster over 30 are now Witten, Romo, and Free. Don't be at all surprised if Free's replacement is drafted in round 1 or 2 this year. Oh, and Witten's replacement was drafted in round 2 last year.
Now they have cap space to extend Tyron and Dez. Those guys and Lee are the leaders going forward.
Someone is thinking long term in Valley Ranch. Is it Jason? Stephen? Or both????
They could have kept Ware. Cap space could have been made by restructuring Witten and Carr. But they chose not to push old money forward.
The only guys on the roster over 30 are now Witten, Romo, and Free. Don't be at all surprised if Free's replacement is drafted in round 1 or 2 this year. Oh, and Witten's replacement was drafted in round 2 last year.
Now they have cap space to extend Tyron and Dez. Those guys and Lee are the leaders going forward.
Someone is thinking long term in Valley Ranch. Is it Jason? Stephen? Or both????
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B-Deep
Footballguy
I don;t think failing to keep ware is evidence that anyone is thinking at all, let alone thinking about the future. I don't for one second think that Jerry thinks anything other than this team was 1 game from the playoffs and if they make the playoffs they can go on a run like the giants or ravens and win it all.
and if escobar is witten's replacement i fear for the future
massraider
Footballguy
"Multiple sources" tell ESPN Dallas the Cowboys have interest in free agent Julius Peppers.
It's the first we've heard of Peppers since his Tuesday release. Reporter Todd Archer's report has no mention of a potential visit. Peppers would be reuniting with former Bears DC Rod Marinelli in Dallas, whom he played for from 2010-12 in Chicago. The fact that the Cowboys are interested means they believe Peppers could be signed for (far) less than the three-year, $30 million deal DeMarcus Ware landed in Denver. Peppers certainly isn't going to match Ware, but he's not going to be a bargain, either. Mar 14 - 1:45 PM
It's the first we've heard of Peppers since his Tuesday release. Reporter Todd Archer's report has no mention of a potential visit. Peppers would be reuniting with former Bears DC Rod Marinelli in Dallas, whom he played for from 2010-12 in Chicago. The fact that the Cowboys are interested means they believe Peppers could be signed for (far) less than the three-year, $30 million deal DeMarcus Ware landed in Denver. Peppers certainly isn't going to match Ware, but he's not going to be a bargain, either. Mar 14 - 1:45 PM
dhockster
Footballguy
If this is true, and the Cowboys do sign him, seems like the long-term thinking mentioned above goes out the window.
cstu
Footballguy
How can you go into rebuild mode with Romo?
Romo's contract alone means he's with the Cowboys at least through 2015.
dhockster
Footballguy
I see your point. I would say with the cap room that they have now, don't try and bring in anyone for this year that has any substantial cap hit in future years (like a Julius Peppers). Do the same thing next year and don't restructure anyone's contract unless you have to do that to get under the cap. Restructuring contracts to sign free agents needs to be put on hold for a few years. If he can holdoff doing that until 2016 than the Cowboy's should be out of cap hell by then.
dhockster
Footballguy
I will say this about Jerry Jones. As an owner he will do whatever it takes to get the players he thinks will help the Cowboys win now and he is not afraid to mortgage the future. Even with the league's penalties against him, and having to operate with $18 million less than everyone else (except the Redskins) over the last two years, he still brought in players he thought could help the Cowboys win now. Unfortunately, his deficiencies as a GM, and some bad luck with injuries have hindered the Cowboys.
The price he is paying this year is that all that salary that he deferred to stay competitive in the cap penalty years, is preventing the Cowboys from doing anything to address their current needs. he borrowed from the future to try to win and now he is having to pay back what he borrowed.
The price he is paying this year is that all that salary that he deferred to stay competitive in the cap penalty years, is preventing the Cowboys from doing anything to address their current needs. he borrowed from the future to try to win and now he is having to pay back what he borrowed.
My defensive "stacked" draft at fanspeak.
I think his would go a long way to solving the old age of the DL.
16
DT AARON DONALD
PITTSBURGH
47
DT LOUIS NIX III
NOTRE DAME
78
DE STEPHON TUITT
NOTRE DAME
115
DT DAQUAN JONES
PENN STATE
146
DE ED STINSON
ALABAMA
206
RB KAPRI BIBBS
COLORADO STATE
208
ILB JEREMIAH GEORGE
IOWA STATE
215
S ISAIAH LEWIS
MICHIGAN STATE
I think his would go a long way to solving the old age of the DL.
16
DT AARON DONALD
PITTSBURGH
47
DT LOUIS NIX III
NOTRE DAME
78
DE STEPHON TUITT
NOTRE DAME
115
DT DAQUAN JONES
PENN STATE
146
DE ED STINSON
ALABAMA
206
RB KAPRI BIBBS
COLORADO STATE
208
ILB JEREMIAH GEORGE
IOWA STATE
215
S ISAIAH LEWIS
MICHIGAN STATE
cobalt_27
Footballguy
Suddenly, as if overnight, there has been a shift to a long-term strategy? I'd say that's optimistic and would be phenomenal, if true. I don't see the fact that they were forced into cutting Ware as a result of their cap position/strategy as evidence of a shift in philosophy. But, it's mighty kind of you to suggest.Ridgelake said:
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
I hate this team now.
Trade Romo
Trade Bryant cause he won't be able to handle losing for a year(s)
Trade Murray
Trade Witten
Trade Claiborne
Trade Carr
Trade everybody else.
Keep Smith
Keep Escobar
Start over.
I'm not sure I'm even going to watch this year.
Trade Romo
Trade Bryant cause he won't be able to handle losing for a year(s)
Trade Murray
Trade Witten
Trade Claiborne
Trade Carr
Trade everybody else.
Keep Smith
Keep Escobar
Start over.
I'm not sure I'm even going to watch this year.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Oh and the talk about brining in peppers - VOMIT.!
Peppers went to Green Bay so he's off the list.
I think they are going to go after Jared Allen if he's reasonable on compensation.
Having Peppers go puts him in a better negotiation position now, so not sure if he's going to come cheap.
I would like him in the $6-$7MM range per year on a short deal.
Otherwise, draft heavy DE and DT.
I think they are going to go after Jared Allen if he's reasonable on compensation.
Having Peppers go puts him in a better negotiation position now, so not sure if he's going to come cheap.
I would like him in the $6-$7MM range per year on a short deal.
Otherwise, draft heavy DE and DT.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
But why? We aren't winning anything with this group. I'd rather we kept Ware a cowboy for life then bring in a worse version of him at a bargain.
Ware is gone, it's over. Get him in the Cowboys ROH ASAP. Later it will be the NFL HOF.
Allen has had more sacks each year in 4 of the past 5 years than Ware. SO, not a worse version as you stated.
To replace Ware, he's a great option left on the market. However, it has to be the right price based on his age.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
Why invest money in an aging DE when we clearly don't have a team that will compete on any meaningful level? Or is the thinking that we are still in 2014 playoff mode here? Serious question.
You can't replace Ware and Hatcher with average FA's or Rookies. Allen is a force and will help occupy the double teams Ware and Hatcher did when they were here.
IF we can get him for $6-$7MM a year. That's $3-$4MM less than Ware and that will be used for the rotational guys.
You could just not replace those guys and build with the draft and Marinelli magic players but that will definitely take several years for those guys to develop.
Look at the last few years drafts and you'll see that even highly rated DT's and DE's take a few years to really get going.
We are a few years away from the playoffs and a serious run.
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B-Deep
Footballguy
Here is the cowboys big splash so far
NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL 3m
THIS JUST IN: The Dallas Cowboys have agreed on a 2 year deal w/former Browns QB Brandon Weeden. (via @toddarcher) pic.twitter.com/LSdWXqIbmX
NFL on ESPN @ESPNNFL 3m
THIS JUST IN: The Dallas Cowboys have agreed on a 2 year deal w/former Browns QB Brandon Weeden. (via @toddarcher) pic.twitter.com/LSdWXqIbmX
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Weeden is terrible. No pocket presence, slow and poor decision maker. Takes unnessessary sacks. Can't pull the trigger. When a guy is open it takes him too long to decide to make the throw. By them it is too late to make a play. He does have a strong arm though.
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Cowboys agreed to terms with DT Henry Melton, formerly of the Bears.
According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, it's a multi-year pact. It's a deal both sides have wanted to get done since the start of free agency, but Melton still made the rounds on the open market, visiting Seattle and St. Louis in addition to the Cowboys. The Vikings were also interested. Melton will be reuniting with DC Rod Marinelli, the man who moved him from end to tackle in Chicago. Melton is recovering from a torn ACL, but will provide a badly needed disruptive presence along the Cowboys' patchwork line as long as he's healthy.
According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, it's a multi-year pact. It's a deal both sides have wanted to get done since the start of free agency, but Melton still made the rounds on the open market, visiting Seattle and St. Louis in addition to the Cowboys. The Vikings were also interested. Melton will be reuniting with DC Rod Marinelli, the man who moved him from end to tackle in Chicago. Melton is recovering from a torn ACL, but will provide a badly needed disruptive presence along the Cowboys' patchwork line as long as he's healthy.
LarryAllen'sJockstrap
Footballguy
Definitely a different offseason than most so far. You can "almost" feel Jerry giving in to the critics who feel this team is more than a player or two from title contention. Not resigning/releasing Ware is a huge change from anything we've seen the last 15 years around here. Jerry has always been too loyal and paid players for their past performance.
Id like to see a few more moves like the Melton one and a draft where they stay put and draft for pure talent not need.
Still a lot of time before we can grade this offseason, but nothing to praise, or complain about so far.
Id like to see a few more moves like the Melton one and a draft where they stay put and draft for pure talent not need.
Still a lot of time before we can grade this offseason, but nothing to praise, or complain about so far.
Even though we haven't heard the terms of the deal, I'm happy.
We definately needed help on the DL and got it today.
As stated previously, I'm all for using several of our early draft picks on DE & DT's.
We are starting to see some reality checks at Valley Ranch = refreshing!
We definately needed help on the DL and got it today.
As stated previously, I'm all for using several of our early draft picks on DE & DT's.
We are starting to see some reality checks at Valley Ranch = refreshing!
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