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** Official 2014 NFL Scouting Combine thread ** (1 Viewer)

Sammy Watkins said he is shooting for an attention-getting 40 time.

He said his personal best is a 4.27 (not sure if electronically timed). That would match Goodwin last year (and one of the fastest since Chris Johnson's official combine record of 4.24), who is an Olympic long jumper, and is about 4" shorter and 20 lbs. lighter.

If Watkins puts up a ridiculous 40 time, his stock could still go up.

 
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Don't think that time really helps or hurts Ebron. Can't say it's a huge shock. I think anything faster than 4.5 would've been surprising. Anything slower than 4.6 also would've been surprising. As you can see from the other TE times, 4.60 is speedy for the position. Puts him on track to be a solid mid 1st rounder as projected. Solid broad jump too.

Some nice marks by AC Leonard and Colt Lyerla. It'll be interesting to see how high a team takes a chance on those guys. Same with Trey Burton, although his super low weight is going to make him a tricky prospect to work with. Simply not big enough to block anyone. Maybe a team will think they can make him into another Jordan Reed.

This doesn't look like a very strong TE class. The numbers were pretty poor across the board. Having said that, I'm curious to see what Grimble and ASJ can do. I don't think either one of them was likely to light up the testing. I'd just like to know once and for all what their measured speed/explosiveness is like.
I agree overall but i think Ebron is going to beast, maybe even year one. just a feeling.

 
From a FF perspective I like the top 3 TEs very much this year. My personal fav is ASJ and I think his current injury will make him a steal in the real NFL draft.

 
A little disappointed in Lee and Watkins measurements. I mean it almost guarantees that neither of them will ever be a top 6ish WR.

Robinson, on the other hand, was impressive at 6'2 and 220lbs. He's a really lean 220 to. I kind of hope he doesn't break into the 4.4's tomorrow in the 40 or he'll rise up draft boards. I'm sold and would like him to fall into the late first round of rookie drafts. He's shaping up to be the best WR in this class.
I really like Robinson. But being an inch and change taller than Watkins is not a reason to have him as the #1 WR. Watkins may not break into that top-6/7 of Calvin/Julio/Green/Dez/DT/Gordon/Jeffery (though it's tough to see anybody doing that in the foreseeable future), but if he lives up to his high billing he can definitely be that next guy, in the Cobb/Harvin/Allen/Marshall/Blackmon (in an ideal world) area of rankings. That's plenty valuable and Allen reaching some arbitrary 6'2" height isn't a reason to be more excited about him (not to imply that's your only reasoning, of course. It just sticks out), especially since Dez is the only 6'2" guy in the top tiers as well, and he plays much bigger.
It's pretty simple. Watkins ceiling is limited because he's not going to be an elite red zone target. He's not big enough. I hope he runs a 4.2 in the 40 tomorrow. That should put him in the top 5 and hopefully i won't have to take him @ #2.
 
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Synoptic overview of some highlights and lowlights.

http://www.nfl.com/combine/story/0ap2000000328167/article/greg-robinson-lights-up-combine-while-cyrus-kouandjio-fizzles?campaign=Twitter_writers_brooks

Greg Robinson lights up combine, while Cyrus Kouandjio fizzles

By Bucky Brooks
NFL Media analyst

INDIANAPOLIS -- The first day of workouts at the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine is in the books. While a number of prospects sent their stocks soaring up the charts, a few players now will need to make amends for poor performances during their pro day workouts down the road. Here are a few of my winners and losers from Day 1:

Winners

Greg Robinson, OT, Auburn: It's hard to find 332-pound offensive linemen with light feet and swivel hips, which is why the combine has been buzzing since Robinson stepped on the turf Saturday. Robinson put on a spectacular show during the workout, showcasing his outstanding athleticism and movement skills in front of scouts. Robinson clocked an official time of 4.92 seconds in the 40-yard dash, while also positing a 9-foot-5 broad jump. He complemented his impressive showing in speed and agility tests with a strong performance in positional drills. Robinson moved like a dancing bear on the turf, alleviating any concerns about his ability to take on elite pass rushers off the edge. Overall, the stellar workout in front of hundreds of scouts and coaches will not only send Robinson's draft stock soaring -- it could make him enter discussion as the draft's top overall prospect.

Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M: Matthews has been cast as a mediocre athlete by the national media, but that perception needs to change after evaluating his performance on Saturday. The Texas A&M star impressed scouts with his balance, body control and burst in position drills. Matthews showed flawless technique executing various kick-slide drills and pull/trap maneuvers. These drills showcased Matthews' superb agility and quickness, while also providing evaluators with a sneak peek at his exceptional footwork and balance in action. With Matthews also displaying better-than-anticipated speed (5.07 in the 40-yard dash), the draft board is starting to get crowded at the top.

Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan: With much of the attention on Robinson, Lewan quietly provided an extraordinary all-around effort at the combine. He recorded the fastest 40 time among offensive linemen, while also displaying impressive explosiveness in the broad jump (9-9) and three-cone drill (7.39). Those marks not only reveal an elite athlete, but suggest that Lewan has the physical tools to be a Pro Bowl-caliber player at the next level. From a position-specific standpoint, Lewan showed exceptional footwork, agility and balance while executing various drills. He floated across the turf on lateral slides, but also showed outstanding body control while changing directions in tight quarters. The combination of athleticism and technical savvy displayed in the workout leads me to believe Lewan should be included in the conversation with Robinson and Matthews as top-10 talents at offensive tackle.

Losers

Cyrus Kouandjio, OT, Alabama: Scouts weren't expecting Kouandjio to post jaw-dropping numbers at the combine due to his massive frame, but even his staunchest supporters will have some concerns about his overall athleticism after glancing at the numbers from his workout. Kouandjio ranked near the bottom of his position group in the 40, broad jump, short shuttle and three-cone drill. Additionally, he looked a little sluggish in the change-of-direction drills of the positional workout. Although that's not surprising, based on his mauler/brawler style, the lack of short-area quickness and body control leads to more questions about his ability to handle speed and quickness off the edge. With failed physicals and concerns about long-term knee issues running rampant, it's quite possible Kouandijo slides down most boards following the combine.

Antonio "Tiny" Richardson, OT, Tennessee: Once hailed as a potential first-round selection, Richardson's stock is certain to tumble after a disappointing workout on Saturday. The Tennessee standout clocked an underwhelming 5.30-second 40 time and looked like a limited athlete in drills. He didn't exhibit the smoothness or fluidity that scouts expect from an elite edge blocker. Additionally, my colleague Charles Davis floated the possibility of knee issues torpedoing Richardson's stock. While those reports haven't been confirmed, the combination of medical questions and poor performance could knock Richardson down the charts despite the flashes he's shown throughout his career.

Austin Seferian-Jenkins, TE, Washington: Scouts were anxiously awaiting Seferian-Jenkins' workout to see if the Washington product possessed the athleticism and movement skills to make an immediate impact as a versatile tight end. However, a medical issue prevented Seferian-Jenkins from working out in front of his peers. Although the information regarding the failed medical clearance hasn't been revealed, Seferian-Jenkins missed an opportunity to perform in front of every decision maker in the NFL, thus preventing the former Huskies star from closing the gap on top TE prospect Eric Ebron. With all of Seferian-Jenkins' hopes riding on medical evaluations and an "all or nothing" workout later in the spring, the big-bodied tight end will sit on the backburner until both issues are resolved.

Guys in the spotlight on Day 2

Blake Bortles, QB, Central Florida: The hottest quarterback in the 2014 NFL Draft can make a good case to be the No. 1 overall pick with a strong performance on Sunday. With Teddy Bridgewater and Johnny Manziel opting out of throwing, the image of a prototypical quarterback firing darts to all areas of the field could leave a lasting impression on a decision maker looking to add a franchise quarterback to the roster.

AJ McCarron, QB, Alabama: McCarron will get a chance to show evaluators that he possesses the arm talent and moxie to be a championship-caliber quarterback at the next level. How well he throws the ball to his receivers on intermediate and vertical routes could determine if scouts view him as a legitimate NFL starter.

Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks.

 
It's possible that Robinson runs a 4.49 tomorrow. Watching tape on him I could see it.

That's a 6'2 220 pound beast that throws DB'S 5 yards out of bounds on occasion, has good hands, and elite vision running a 4.4 ish 40! Oh and he's 20 YO, dominated college football the last two years, and was arguably a top 3 playmaker in all of college football. That's an elite prospect.

 
A little disappointed in Lee and Watkins measurements. I mean it almost guarantees that neither of them will ever be a top 6ish WR.

Robinson, on the other hand, was impressive at 6'2 and 220lbs. He's a really lean 220 to. I kind of hope he doesn't break into the 4.4's tomorrow in the 40 or he'll rise up draft boards. I'm sold and would like him to fall into the late first round of rookie drafts. He's shaping up to be the best WR in this class.
I really like Robinson. But being an inch and change taller than Watkins is not a reason to have him as the #1 WR. Watkins may not break into that top-6/7 of Calvin/Julio/Green/Dez/DT/Gordon/Jeffery (though it's tough to see anybody doing that in the foreseeable future), but if he lives up to his high billing he can definitely be that next guy, in the Cobb/Harvin/Allen/Marshall/Blackmon (in an ideal world) area of rankings. That's plenty valuable and Allen reaching some arbitrary 6'2" height isn't a reason to be more excited about him (not to imply that's your only reasoning, of course. It just sticks out), especially since Dez is the only 6'2" guy in the top tiers as well, and he plays much bigger.
It's pretty simple. Watkins ceiling is limited because he's not going to be an elite red zone target. He's not big enough. I hope he runs a 4.2 in the 40 tomorrow. That should put him in the top 5 and hopefully i won't have to take him @ #2.
I just don't see what's wrong with "settling" for a souped up Reggie Wayne (if he improves his route running--and this was just a comparison off the top of my head, there aren't any good ones that I've seen) at 1.01. I agree that he likely doesn't have consistent top-5 WR upside. But he still has enough upside to be worth the 1.01, which is my point. He's still better than the other WR's in this draft by enough that the one thing they have that he doesn't (ideal height and the redzone/jump ball prowess that comes with it) won't bump them above him for me.

In short, if the highest he is ever valued is in that Cobb area from 8-12, I'm fine spending my 1.01 on that upside, even if it's not Calvin upside. You can't find Calvin/Green/Julio upside every year.

 
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It's possible that Robinson runs a 4.49 tomorrow. Watching tape on him I could see it.

That's a 6'2 220 pound beast that throws DB'S 5 yards out of bounds on occasion, has good hands, and elite vision running a 4.4 ish 40! Oh and he's 20 YO, dominated college football the last two years, and was arguably a top 3 playmaker in all of college football. That's an elite prospect.
You're talking about a 1 inch, ten pound difference. Think about that.

Now, if you tell me that you think Allen is a better pure receiver than Watkins, and that if they were the SAME height you'd prefer Allen, then I'll drop it. But 1 inch and 10 pounds shouldn't make this much difference.

 
Actually stats show one inch and 10 pounds means a lot. Especially in the red zone.

Almost everybody loves Watkins so if he's there at #2 I'll have to take him if i can't trade the pick.

 
Actually stats show one inch and 10 pounds means a lot. Especially in the red zone.

Almost everybody loves Watkins so if he's there at #2 I'll have to take him if i can't trade the pick.
That's a good point--the first time he makes a big play in the NFL or has an 8 catch game, his value will be realized and you'll probably be able to trade him for more than the 1.01 is worth even now. His name and reputation hold that kind of value, so it's worth investing in even if you aren't a believer long term. He'll be a very fungible asset.

 
Robinson is much closer to Reggie Wayne than Watkins is. I don't see any of Wayne in Watkins. Totally different playing style. Wayne, like Robinson, is not an overwhelming speedster. He's effective because he's athletic enough and he's a fluid route runner with great body control and hands. That sounds a lot like Robinson. Watkins is a pretty decent route runner, but if you took away that 10.5 100m speed, he would be a pretty ho-hum prospect. His speed and explosiveness are what make him who he is.

 
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Robinson is much closer to Reggie Wayne than Watkins is. I don't see any of Wayne in Watkins. Totally different playing style. Wayne, like Robinson, is not an overwhelming speedster. He's effective because he's athletic enough and he's a fluid route runner with great body control and hands. That sounds a lot like Robinson. Watkins is a pretty decent route runner, but if you took away that 10.5 100m speed, he would be a pretty ho-hum prospect. His speed and explosiveness are what make him who he is.
Yeah, I knew that was a sloppy comparison when I typed it, there just isn't a great one out there. I don't like the rich man's Torrey Smith comparison because if Smith had Watkins natural mitts and receiving ability he'd be a totally different player.
 
Anyways, my overarching point is that I'm more confident that Watkins reaches his ceiling of having Cobb-level value than I am in any other receiver reaching their respective value ceiling, no matter how tall they are in comparison. That is enough for me to be confident in investing the 1.01 in him.

 
Robinson is much closer to Reggie Wayne than Watkins is. I don't see any of Wayne in Watkins. Totally different playing style. Wayne, like Robinson, is not an overwhelming speedster. He's effective because he's athletic enough and he's a fluid route runner with great body control and hands. That sounds a lot like Robinson. Watkins is a pretty decent route runner, but if you took away that 10.5 100m speed, he would be a pretty ho-hum prospect. His speed and explosiveness are what make him who he is.
Yeah, I knew that was a sloppy comparison when I typed it, there just isn't a great one out there. I don't like the rich man's Torrey Smith comparison because if Smith had Watkins natural mitts and receiving ability he'd be a totally different player.
yeah his hands and speed basically guarantee he won't bust. That's pretty valuable.

 
Watkins should probably be the 1.01 pick in all PPR leagues. All the evaluators seem to have him a tier above the other RB/WR and he's likely to be a top 10 overall NFL draft pick. I think there's tangibly more hype with him than there was with Tavon. All he needs to do is go for about 500 receiving yards as a rookie and his value will hold steady, so to me there's no real risk in using your top pick on him. If you don't like what you see in his rookie season, you'll almost certainly have a good opportunity to pawn him off for equivalent value in 12 months.

At the same time, I think if you go back and look at previous drafts you'll find that the best WR taken is usually NOT the first WR taken. The first WR in a draft class probably has the highest odds to become the best WR from that draft based on generic historical data, but if you take the field of other WR prospects against them, there's a pretty strong chance that one of those guys will surpass him. Looking around the league right now, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Dez Bryant, Andre Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Alshon Jeffery, Anquan Boldin, and Vincent Jackson weren't the first receivers chosen in their draft. Some of them weren't even close. If you could take the field of 2014 WRs against Watkins, it's probably better than a coin flip that one of those random guys will end up being better. So even though I wouldn't take any one of those guys over Sammy, I think it's worth entertaining the idea that he isn't an automatic lock for the best career.

Sometimes these debates create an artificial either-or situation where by supporting one player it's assumed that you're somehow dogging the other player. And that's a mistake. Look at the 2008 draft. You could argue over who is the best talent out of Chris Johnson, Jamaal Charles, and Ray Rice. Does it matter? They're all really good. Just because you like one prospect doesn't mean you're obligated to hate all of the others. Chad Johnson and Reggie Wayne both had great careers. Likewise, it seems like Demaryius/Dez and AJ/Julio are headed that way. It's possible that several of Watkins/Evans/Lee/Benjamin/Robinson/etc will have very strong careers. There are a couple guys from that group who I'd be pretty happy to land for my FF team.

 
Anyways, my overarching point is that I'm more confident that Watkins reaches his ceiling of having Cobb-level value than I am in any other receiver reaching their respective value ceiling, no matter how tall they are in comparison. That is enough for me to be confident in investing the 1.01 in him.
You have to account for Aaron Rodgers if you think he's a "Cobb-like" talent.

 
A little disappointed in Lee and Watkins measurements. I mean it almost guarantees that neither of them will ever be a top 6ish WR.

Robinson, on the other hand, was impressive at 6'2 and 220lbs. He's a really lean 220 to. I kind of hope he doesn't break into the 4.4's tomorrow in the 40 or he'll rise up draft boards. I'm sold and would like him to fall into the late first round of rookie drafts. He's shaping up to be the best WR in this class.
I really like Robinson. But being an inch and change taller than Watkins is not a reason to have him as the #1 WR.Watkins may not break into that top-6/7 of Calvin/Julio/Green/Dez/DT/Gordon/Jeffery (though it's tough to see anybody doing that in the foreseeable future), but if he lives up to his high billing he can definitely be that next guy, in the Cobb/Harvin/Allen/Marshall/Blackmon (in an ideal world) area of rankings. That's plenty valuable and Allen reaching some arbitrary 6'2" height isn't a reason to be more excited about him (not to imply that's your only reasoning, of course. It just sticks out), especially since Dez is the only 6'2" guy in the top tiers as well, and he plays much bigger.
It's pretty simple. Watkins ceiling is limited because he's not going to be an elite red zone target. He's not big enough. I hope he runs a 4.2 in the 40 tomorrow. That should put him in the top 5 and hopefully i won't have to take him @ #2.
He doesn't need to be "elite" in the red zone. He can be "above average". It's not like he's sub 200. His ceiling is Roddy White. I don't think that's "limited".

 
Can you guys give me a wr under 6'1 who doesn't have an elite QB throwing to him that is an above average red zone target?

 
Can you guys give me a wr under 6'1 who doesn't have an elite QB throwing to him that is an above average red zone target?
I've got a 6'2" 230lb WR who is "average" in the red zone: Andre Johnson. Being taller/heavier isn't much more of a guarantee. It can all come down to usage.

 
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Using Ebron's 2nd run, I've got him at 4.57. He let up a few yards before the end, not sure why.

 
Being taller/heavier isn't much more of a guarantee.
I think i disagree with this statement pretty strongly. Cherry picking a big WR that bucks a trend doesn't disprove the trend exists
 
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A little disappointed ASJ couldn't go. I didn't get to see the TE and forget to set recorder. :wall: Any TE rise up the charts? Seems like all the top names were hurt. I read Amaro was disappointing, was he really? and how far does he fall in rookie drafts?

 
ASJ bailed because of his foot. An issue he played through all year. After dominating 2012. Don't let decency bias get you.

 
Anyways, my overarching point is that I'm more confident that Watkins reaches his ceiling of having Cobb-level value than I am in any other receiver reaching their respective value ceiling, no matter how tall they are in comparison. That is enough for me to be confident in investing the 1.01 in him.
You have to account for Aaron Rodgers if you think he's a "Cobb-like" talent.
I said his upside might be Cobb-level VALUE, not talent. As in that 8-12 range in dynasty WR rankings, eventually. I think he's more talented than Cobb, but that's besides the point.
 
I don't see any reason to get excited about the unofficial times. Why even talk about them until we know what the official times are? You can almost always add .1 to those unofficial NFL Network times.

 
@fduffy3: That's silly at 6'4 RT @JoshNorris: Martavis Bryant second "unofficial" forty: 4.35. 10 yd of 1.53

@AdamSchefter: UNOFFICIAL 40 times:

Johnny Manziel: 4.56

Derek Carr: 4.65

Jordan Lynch: 4.72

Tajh Boyd: 4.75

Blake Bortles: 4.81

AJ McCarron: 4.91

 
Highly doubt that 4.47 sticks for Evans. Looked more like a mid-4.5, but it's hard to tell with these long striders.

Cooks 4.3's looked legit.

 
GAUNTLET - 1st run. 15 yard out, 15 yard dig, comeback route, deep out, No wonder Billick is on the sidelines. He's an idiot. Thinks it is meaningless. The gauntlet shows hand eye coordination while moving your head quickly left to right. among other things. It exposed boy catchers as well. No body catchers in 1st 24. Coughlin taking notes.

Deep out - everyone caught it but Evans. He got 2 shots and counld't run that route fast enough. Seemed to stumble both times on the break.

1 Abbrederis, Jared - missed one
2 Adams, Davante - Caught them all
3 Beckham, Odell - caught them all- nice dig route
4 Benjamin, Kelvin - caught them all with one double catch

5 Boyd, Chris - all, dropped bad dig route pass
6 Brown, Corey - all, this guy is catching passes - nice dig route.
7 Brown, John - all and some tough catches nice deep out
8 Bryant, Martavis - all ,bad drop on sideline pass earlier, nice comeback route
9 Burse, Isaiah - all didn't stay on line
10 Campanaro, Mike all nice
11 Coleman, Brandon - all one double catch
12 Colter, Kain tough catches
13 Cooks, Brandin - all both runs I believe, snatch hands on dig route
14 Copeland, Damian - one drop
15 Davis, Mike
16 Ellington, Bruce - all ran fast too, all in 2nd run
17 Enunwa, Quincy - not participating.
18 Evans, Mike - all nice both but weaves and ran slow - Vincent Jackson says Mayock. I totally agree.
19 Evans, Shaq - dropped one 2nd run
20 Fowler, Bennie - one off the face 2nd run ran fast this guy can catch. 15 yard out nice high catch.
21 Franklin, Austin - butchered not good 2nd run either
22 Gallon, Jeremy - all twice and ran fast
23 Grant, Ryan - one double catch ran fast. butcherd 2nd run
24 Hazel, Matt - one drop. all in 2nd run, this guy can catch - 15 yard out nice high catch. nice high catch on dig route
25 Herron, Robert - 15 yard out-nice catch of awful,throw
26 Hoffman, Cody -
27 Huff, Josh - DNP
28 Hurns, Allen - all 2nd run dropped 9 route
29 Janis, Jeff - 1 double catch 1, 1 drop 2nd run, 15 yard out -nice catch bad throw, let ball drop into body on 9 route
30 Jones, T.J. - all, 1 drop 2nd run
31 Landry, Jarvis - out
32 Latimer, Cody - DNP
33 Lee, Marqise - Soild all, 15 yd. dig - nice snatch of one of L. Thomas horrible throws.
34 Lucas, Marcus - weaving all both times
35 Matthews, Jordan - all both times looked great
36 Moncrief, Donte - missed one off his hands, all 2nd run
37 Norwood, Kevin - missed one off his hands
38 Powell, Walt - all both times
39 Reese, Tevin - all both times ran fast
40 Richardson, Paul - solid hands, all both times
41 Robinson, Allen - drooped one. fought ball 2nd run but caught all.
42 Saunders, Jalen - missed one bad pass, dropped 9 route right in his hands.
43 Snead, Willie - all both times. This guy can catch
44 Stewart, Josh - all both times
45 Street, Devin - one drop, all 2nd run - 15 yard out nice catch
46 Washington, L'Damian - didn't run fast, all 1st run. ran faster 2nd time and missed 2 Needs to put on a lot of weight.
47 Watkins, Sammy - one drop but ran fast. all 2nd run
48 Wilson, Albert - all both times.

 
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