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** Official 2014 NFL Scouting Combine thread ** (2 Viewers)

Quick and dirty using the 254 RBs I've got the results for...

6.74 is the 90th percentile

7.05 mean

7.03 median

7.50 is the 10th percentile
Thanks Rob.

I have not yet seen the 3 cone times for the 2014 RB group. I do consider this more relevant than 40 times for the RB position, although straight line speed is certainly still significant.

Here is the thread where we were talking about this with ZWK last off season- http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=678724&hl=

Sadly the data in the thread got mashed. But if I recall correctly 7 seconds on the 3 cone was found to be decent/average there as well. Anything sub 7 seconds is pretty good.

What does your data say about the averages for RB 40 times? Combining those 2 measurements could be more useful than either of them alone.

I do not ding RB for slower 40 times unless it is slower than 4.6 but knowing the average here could perhaps make this more precise.

From what I can see of the results so far (lots of RB on NFl.com not listed in both drills yet) Bishop Sankey is the one who stands out the most. I like Charles Sims quite a bit also but his 3 cone time of 7.16 is somewhat of a disappointment as was the 17 reps in bench press.

ETA- From ZWK's thread he has 4.55 40 time being the mean and 7.078 the mean for 3 cone (very similar to your findings there)

 
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Excerpt from Peter King's MMQB:

I think this is not the way to get drafted by your dream team, the Seattle Seahawks: U-T San Diego reported Sunday that San Diego State running back Adam Muema bailed from the combine without working out, telling the website that if he didn’t work out, he would get his wish and play for the Seahawks. Muema had been projected as a late-round pick in May. He said God told him to “sit down, be quiet, and enjoy the peace.” I’m sure combine officials and the NFL are pleased to have had Muema take a running back slot at the prestigious tryout camp and to have paid his way from San Diego to Indianapolis for the combine, and then have Muema inform them God didn’t want him to work out. Just a hunch: This won’t raise his grade on the Seattle draft board. Or anyone’s. If he’ll be on one at all.
 
Film watchers and others with an opinion... what is it that you/scouts don't like about Donte Moncrief?

ETA: can he catch? How'd his hands look yesterday?

 
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Film watchers and others with an opinion... what is it that you/scouts don't like about Donte Moncrief?

ETA: can he catch? How'd his hands look yesterday?
He's the guy that I expected to be in the mix after Watkins/Evans but he's been completely overlooked until now. Passed the eyeball test and now the combine test. Easily in my top 5 WR's.

vs. LSU

vs. Miss St beats 2nd round pick Johnathan Banks

 
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Film watchers and others with an opinion... what is it that you/scouts don't like about Donte Moncrief?

ETA: can he catch? How'd his hands look yesterday?
He's the guy that I expected to be in the mix after Watkins/Evans but he's been completely overlooked until now. Passed the eyeball test and now the combine test. Easily in my top 5 WR's.

vs. LSU
I think he'll be solid - like a Marvin Jones type. He was overshadowed by Laquon Treadwill this past season IMO and will be overshadowed by better players his entire career in the NFL.

 
Film watchers and others with an opinion... what is it that you/scouts don't like about Donte Moncrief?

ETA: can he catch? How'd his hands look yesterday?
He's the guy that I expected to be in the mix after Watkins/Evans but he's been completely overlooked until now. Passed the eyeball test and now the combine test. Easily in my top 5 WR's.

vs. LSU
I think he'll be solid - like a Marvin Jones type. He was overshadowed by Laquon Treadwill this past season IMO and will be overshadowed by better players his entire career in the NFL.
Treadwell caught more passes but only 8.5 YPC. Moncrief out gained him in yards by 50%. He nearly doubled the yards of the next leading receiver in 2012 and led the team in receiving all three years.

 
Sunday's combine observations

Receivers live up to hype and RBs show off speed, but QB class looks shallow

By John Clayton | ESPN.com

INDIANAPOLIS -- The fantasy football part of the NFL scouting combine made Sunday an exciting day.

The receivers were exceptional. A receiving class billed as the best in years dominated the day. The only problem came with the second group of receivers, because the quarterbacks who were throwing couldn't match the skills of those catching the passes.

Regardless, talent won out and it was easy to see that wide receiver was the best position during the first two workout days of the combine. Sure, guards and tackles did well Saturday, but the receivers were the best in drills over the entire weekend.

Fantasy fans better start studying this class of rookies.

Here are the five things we learned Sunday at the combine:

1. Blake Bortles is as advertised: With Johnny Manziel and Teddy Bridgewater electing not to throw, Central Florida's Bortles was expected to be the best of the seven quarterbacks who threw in the first group. As it turned out, he was clearly the best quarterback who threw Sunday. The question now is what it means. It's apparent that Bortles has a lot of work left to do on his footwork. Once he fixes that, he could evolve into a franchise-level quarterback. He has a nice release and throws a nice, catchable ball. Once his footwork is better, he should be able to throw a more consistent long pass and be more consistent on his short, quick throws.

Safe to say, though, there is plenty to work with for the team that acquires Bortles. He's 6-foot-5 and 232 pounds. He ran a 4.93-second 40-yard dash and is dangerous on rollouts and breaking a run. From what you saw Sunday, there is still a great chance Bridgewater and Manziel will be drafted ahead of Bortles. The debate is whether Bortles is worth taking in the top seven, which is likely to happen. The team that drafts him, though, might be advised to let another quarterback start at the beginning of the season in order for him to fully work on improving his footwork. Regardless, it was a good day for Bortles.

2. The skinny at the quarterback position: Manziel, Bridgewater and Bortles will go in the first round of the draft. The next group includes AJ McCarron, Jimmy Garoppolo and Derek Carr. Garoppolo continued to score scouting points with his strong, fluid arm. Because he worked almost exclusively out of the shotgun at Eastern Illinois, a shotgun passing team would love him. But if he's asked to do a lot of dropback passing, he's going to need some time to develop. Still, his arm alone could draw a second- or third-round grade. McCarron was consistent with his throws and should have locked in a second-round grade. At 6-3¼ and 220 pounds, McCarron kind of reminds you of Andy Dalton of the Cincinnati Bengals.

It was no surprise that Manziel and Bridgewater didn't throw. Both are saving their best for their pro days. Manziel did impress scouts with a 4.68 40, and one handheld time had him at 4.56. The quarterback who most needed to work out, Carr of Fresno State, elected not to throw, and that might have been a mistake. Maybe it's unfair, but so many people around the league equate Derek with brother David Carr, who was the first overall pick in 2002 but had a disappointing career. Derek Carr would have had the perfect stage to win a lot of support. A good throwing day could have put him in line ahead of McCarron and Garoppolo to be the fourth quarterback drafted. Instead, there are questions that remain.

3. Concerns about quarterback depth were validated: Though there are expected to be 12 or more quarterbacks drafted, several throwers created more questions than answers. Tajh Boyd of Clemson has a strong arm, but his release point is all over the place. Some of his throws came a little sidearm, while the longer throws exposed a loop in his delivery. David Fales of San Jose State was inconsistent with his accuracy. Logan Thomas of Virginia Tech has the body to be a great pro quarterback (6-6, 248 pounds), but he doesn't get his legs into his throws and was inaccurate. Aaron Murray of Georgia didn't make a big jump with his combine workout. After the top six quarterbacks, there is a significant drop-off.

4. The receiving class is for real: The concept that this is the best wide receiver draft in years is true. This group has size, speed and great pass-catching ability. One of the main drills is "The Gauntlet,'' which requires receivers to go across the field while catching passes thrown from each side of the path. Rarely did the ball hit the ground. Sammy Watkins of Clemson was clearly the best receiving prospect and is a candidate to be a top-five pick. He's 6-0¾ and 211 pounds and ran a 4.43. He catches the ball with his hands exceptionally well. He reminds me a lot of A.J. Green of the Bengals. The big winner Sunday was LSU wide receiver Odell Beckham. At 5-11¼ and 198 pounds, he ran a 4.43 40 and looked explosive with this speed and solid with his hands. His performance could vault him in the top 15. Mike Evans of Texas A&M secured a top-15 rating with a 4.53 40 and strong hands. Marqise Lee of USC might have slipped a little with a 4.52 40. Jarvis Landry of LSU had a rough day with a 4.77 40 and a tight calf. But cases can be made for more than seven wide receivers going in the first round. Brandin Cooks of Oregon State was exceptional with a 4.33. This group is deep enough to get provide quality at receiver until maybe the fourth round.

5. It was a good day for running backs: There may not be a running back who could entice a team to use a first-round pick, but the backs who ran Sunday looked great. Bishop Sankey of Washington may have entered the combine as the No. 3 halfback, but his stock probably rose with a 4.49 40 time along with a good show of lifting strength. Tre Mason of Auburn displayed second-round numbers with his 4.5. Both backs might have jumped ahead of Ka'Deem Carey of Arizona, who had a 4.70. What's impressive about the class of runners is the amount of speed. Dri Archer of Kent Stat led the way with a 4.26, just shy of Chris Johnson's combine record of 4.24 from 2008. Nine RBs registered times in the 4.4s. The only disappointment was James Wilder Jr. of Florida State with a 4.86.
 
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Film watchers and others with an opinion... what is it that you/scouts don't like about Donte Moncrief?

ETA: can he catch? How'd his hands look yesterday?
He's the guy that I expected to be in the mix after Watkins/Evans but he's been completely overlooked until now. Passed the eyeball test and now the combine test. Easily in my top 5 WR's.

vs. LSU
I think he'll be solid - like a Marvin Jones type. He was overshadowed by Laquon Treadwill this past season IMO and will be overshadowed by better players his entire career in the NFL.
Treadwell caught more passes but only 8.5 YPC. Moncrief out gained him in yards by 50%. He nearly doubled the yards of the next leading receiver in 2012 and led the team in receiving all three years.
YPR is fine and dandy. If you just want to look at the stats so be it. I'm just saying, to me, it was clear who the better WR was... the freshman Treadwell. He was the guy they went to when a reception was needed and the guy who showed more flash during the games. Moncrief shows some jets and quickness - but he seems like a straight line guy only. I don't recall seeing him make much as far as open field moves, but for a big guy it shouldn't be that big of a deal. However, he doesn't fight for the ball much and fhe doesn't use his body all that well - which is a big deal for a guy his size who doesn't have the open field moves - like for example Allen. Not to mention his lapses in concentration showed almost every game... I think that's why Treadwell was the guy they went to when a catch was needed.

 
Faust can you start putting combine related news here, thanks.

Anyone have any predictions? Who's going to measure short? Light?

I'll start. Davante Adams will have a 40"+ vertical and 10" hands. Odell Beckham, Ryan Grant, and Bishop Sankey are going to kill the shuttle and 3-cone. (Ok not kill, but should be at the top.)

Dri Archer will run a 4.30, and so will Sammy Watkins.

Ka'Deem Carey and Bishop Sankey will both measure 5'9".
Bishop Sankey put up the best Shuttle 4.00 and 3-Cone 6.75 among RBs.

Beckham was right up there with Cooks in the shuttle and 3-cone.

Ryan Grant had a sub-7 3-cone.

Surprised Adams' hands came up smaller. He must wear big gloves.

Dri Archer with an Official 4.26, faster than Goodwin and Jacoby Ford, who both ran legit 4.27's.

 
I think Moncrief has a pretty good chance to be a better pro than collegiate. In terms of negatives, he doesn't have great hands. He's explosive, but he's only average in terms of fluidity/quickness. No pitter-patter quickness and can't make anyone miss in the open field. He's pretty much a straight line guy. For FF purposes I think he can have a career like Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace. Maybe a little better than those guys since he's bigger and stronger. I don't think he's the all-around athlete that guys like Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, and Demaryius Thomas are. You're never going to see him on punt or kickoff returns because he's not elusive.

 
NFLDraftScout.com
2014 NFL combine: Mack, Barr raise stakes with stellar numbers By Jeff Reynolds | NFLDraftScout.com

February 24, 2014 1:56 pm ET Draft: NFL Mock Drafts | Prospect Rankings | NFL combine workout results

Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr spiced up speculation that one of the two outside linebackers could leap defensive end Jadeveon Clowney as the top defensive player in the 2014 NFL Draft with strong all-around workouts.

Both players jumped early with rolling starts that were whistled before a retry.

Mack (4.65 seconds) was a tick faster than Barr (4.66) when the NFL released their hybrid or "official" times Monday afternoon.

NFLDraftScout.com's Rob Rang said following the Senior Bowl that Mack was beginning to be mentioned in No. 1 pick conversation with some teams.

It would be a massive leap for Mack, who was offered college scholarships by only Buffalo and Liberty. He had 10.5 sacks as a senior, including a dominant lashing of Ohio State right tackle Jack Mewhort.

He is powerful and twitchy-explosive -- see his unofficlal 1.56-second 10-yard split. Mack put up 23 reps of 225 pounds, a 10-foot-8 broad jump and 40-inch vertical. Clowney had better results only in the 40-yard dash (4.53 official).

To compare Mack to a first-round pass rusher of recent vintage, Clay Matthews (26th overall, Packers) had 23 reps, 10-1 broad jump and 1.49-second 10-yard split on a 4.62-second 40. His vertical was 35 1/2 at the combine, 35 at his pro day.

Alabama junior All-American linebacker C.J. Moseley, the top-ranked inside linebacker in the draft and NFLDraftScout.com's 16th-ranked player overall, did not run but participated in position drills.

Ohio State linebacker Ryan Shazier did not run Monday. He projects to be one of the fastest at the position. He did put up 25 reps of 225 and a 42-inch vertical as a scouting combine parting gift.

Barr (6-4 7/8, 255 pounds) isn't a seasoned defensive player having coverted at UCLA from running back. He was disappointing with 15 reps of 225 on Saturday but had strong overall athletic testing numbers.

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Topics: NFL Combine, NFLDRAFT
My cut/paste skills are not on par with Faust. Sorry...I still don't get how Barr is raising his stakes with just 15 reps on the bench. The writer should do a better job of filling in the blanks on the strong overall athletic testing numbers.

 
NFLDraftScout.com
2014 NFL combine: Mack, Barr raise stakes with stellar numbers By Jeff Reynolds | NFLDraftScout.com
February 24, 2014 1:56 pm ET Khalil Mack and Anthony Barr spiced up speculation that one of the two outside linebackers could leap defensive end Jadeveon Clowney as the top defensive player in the 2014 NFL Draft with strong all-around workouts.

Both players jumped early with rolling starts that were whistled before a retry.

Mack (4.65 seconds) was a tick faster than Barr (4.66) when the NFL released their hybrid or "official" times Monday afternoon.

NFLDraftScout.com's Rob Rang said following the Senior Bowl that Mack was beginning to be mentioned in No. 1 pick conversation with some teams.

It would be a massive leap for Mack, who was offered college scholarships by only Buffalo and Liberty. He had 10.5 sacks as a senior, including a dominant lashing of Ohio State right tackle Jack Mewhort.

He is powerful and twitchy-explosive -- see his unofficlal 1.56-second 10-yard split. Mack put up 23 reps of 225 pounds, a 10-foot-8 broad jump and 40-inch vertical. Clowney had better results only in the 40-yard dash (4.53 official).

To compare Mack to a first-round pass rusher of recent vintage, Clay Matthews (26th overall, Packers) had 23 reps, 10-1 broad jump and 1.49-second 10-yard split on a 4.62-second 40. His vertical was 35 1/2 at the combine, 35 at his pro day.

Alabama junior All-American linebacker C.J. Moseley, the top-ranked inside linebacker in the draft and NFLDraftScout.com's 16th-ranked player overall, did not run but participated in position drills.

Ohio State linebacker Ryan Shazier did not run Monday. He projects to be one of the fastest at the position. He did put up 25 reps of 225 and a 42-inch vertical as a scouting combine parting gift.

Barr (6-4 7/8, 255 pounds) isn't a seasoned defensive player having coverted at UCLA from running back. He was disappointing with 15 reps of 225 on Saturday but had strong overall athletic testing numbers.

 
When I watch Moncrief, he reminds me of Juron Criner.
That's an odd comparison. Criner was always a better football player than athlete. I don't know if he won a footrace in his career. He had a 4.66 40 and 9'9" broad jump at the combine compared with a 4.40 and 11'0" for Moncrief. I think if Criner had been that explosive vertically then he could've been a real prospect.

 
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Watched the RBs and WRs go through the drills this morning.

I don't know how much you can really glean from the RB drills, but I thought Tre Mason looked the best. Compact and efficient. Add that to his solid measurables in the testing and his excellent production in the SEC, and he's probably going to jump up into my first tier. Sankey and Freeman were solid as well. Hill looked pretty good and Seastrunk was pretty good for the most part. It's a shame that James White and Tim Flanders aren't more explosive because they move really well. Andre Williams was okay given expectations and what style of back he is. If you want a sleeper pick, I thought Damien Williams looked okay. He also had decent numbers in the drills for a 220+ pounder. If I had to take a random flyer on a day three guy from the combine, I'd probably go with him.

At WR, I thought these guys showed pretty well in the routes and the gauntlet:

GROUP1:
Beckham

Cooks
Bryant
Ellington
Hazel

Campanaro
J Brown

GROUP 2:
Herron
Lee
Matthews

Richardson

Moncrief

I'd say Beckham is probably the best overall athlete in this WR class. Shame he isn't 6'2"+. Cooks is tangibly more explosive than everyone else. Matthews probably isn't a good enough athlete to ever be a #1 in the NFL, but he could be a decent #2 or #3. Lee looked fluid in his routes as expected. Made a couple great catches, but also had a bad drop. Moncrief didn't exactly wow me in his routes, but he looked good enough for a player with his build. If you want a Welker type of guy, I think Campanaro has a chance to stick. Good weight for his height, productive in college, explosive in the testing, and efficient in the drills.

I don't think Benjamin looked as bad as everyone said. He was not outstanding, but I don't think he was shocking either. Evans was not bad either. He has a lean, upright long-legged style that reminds me a bit of Michael Floyd. I thought he moved okay considering his other qualities. He was a little stiff though. Allen Robinson was just okay. Nothing terrible. Nothing great. For a tall guy with long legs, he does not seem to have a very long running stride. It's kind of choppy, like he's not extending his knees and legs high/far enough. That's probably an anatomy thing more than a technique thing. I think it explains his lack of top end speed though. Usually tall guys struggle out of the blocks and then build speed as their stride opens up, but he's the opposite because his stride never really opens.

Of the relatively big names, I thought Brandon Coleman was the most disappointing. Stiff and gangly. If you've got him rostered in a dev league, I'd probably try to cash out now while he still has some sort of value. I guess you never know for sure, but I think he's going to fall out of the first three rounds for sure and possibly much deeper.

 
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Film watchers and others with an opinion... what is it that you/scouts don't like about Donte Moncrief?

ETA: can he catch? How'd his hands look yesterday?
He's the guy that I expected to be in the mix after Watkins/Evans but he's been completely overlooked until now. Passed the eyeball test and now the combine test. Easily in my top 5 WR's.

vs. LSU
I think he'll be solid - like a Marvin Jones type. He was overshadowed by Laquon Treadwill this past season IMO and will be overshadowed by better players his entire career in the NFL.
Treadwell caught more passes but only 8.5 YPC. Moncrief out gained him in yards by 50%. He nearly doubled the yards of the next leading receiver in 2012 and led the team in receiving all three years.
YPR is fine and dandy. If you just want to look at the stats so be it. I'm just saying, to me, it was clear who the better WR was... the freshman Treadwell. He was the guy they went to when a reception was needed and the guy who showed more flash during the games. Moncrief shows some jets and quickness - but he seems like a straight line guy only. I don't recall seeing him make much as far as open field moves, but for a big guy it shouldn't be that big of a deal. However, he doesn't fight for the ball much and fhe doesn't use his body all that well - which is a big deal for a guy his size who doesn't have the open field moves - like for example Allen. Not to mention his lapses in concentration showed almost every game... I think that's why Treadwell was the guy they went to when a catch was needed.
Treadwell looks like a future stud - could possibly be the next Larry Fitzgerald - but I don't think that should take away from Moncrief. No, Moncrief doesn't have Treadwell's hands but few do. Concentration is an issue, but his combination of size, speed, and body control is impressive.

 
When I watch Moncrief, he reminds me of Juron Criner.
That's odd comparison. Criner was always a better football player than athlete. I don't know if he won a footrace in his career. He had a 4.66 40 and 9'9" broad jump at the combine compared with a 4.40 and 11'0" for Moncrief. I think if Criner had been that explosive vertically then he could've been a real prospect.
Exactly, although hands was one of Criner's best assets and Moncrief doesn't have the most reliable hands.

 
I think Moncrief has a pretty good chance to be a better pro than collegiate. In terms of negatives, he doesn't have great hands. He's explosive, but he's only average in terms of fluidity/quickness. No pitter-patter quickness and can't make anyone miss in the open field. He's pretty much a straight line guy. For FF purposes I think he can have a career like Torrey Smith or Mike Wallace. Maybe a little better than those guys since he's bigger and stronger. I don't think he's the all-around athlete that guys like Vincent Jackson, Dez Bryant, and Demaryius Thomas are. You're never going to see him on punt or kickoff returns because he's not elusive.
I think some of what he lacks can be taught - he needs to learn to use the big body and attack the ball. His hand's and concentration are a real concern which generally can't be taught but with work can be improved. I could see him being successful and would agree with a Smith / Wallace ceiling. He's got his work cut out for him though IMO.

 
cstu said:
EBF said:
Xue said:
When I watch Moncrief, he reminds me of Juron Criner.
That's odd comparison. Criner was always a better football player than athlete. I don't know if he won a footrace in his career. He had a 4.66 40 and 9'9" broad jump at the combine compared with a 4.40 and 11'0" for Moncrief. I think if Criner had been that explosive vertically then he could've been a real prospect.
Exactly, although hands was one of Criner's best assets and Moncrief doesn't have the most reliable hands.
I wouldn't say it's "odd". You're basing it on timed measurables, but I'm just basing it on size and play on the field. Criner did jump 38" and 38-1/2" at the Combine and Pro Day.

They're both also "big" WRs who don't play big like a Dez Bryant or Andre Johnson.

I think he could be a better version of Rueben Randle. Moncrief has a good idea of routes and he looks competitive on the field. He does body catch a lot, though. But there's some upside.

 
"I was actually working out in the rec center gym," West said. "We had no weights, so I did push-ups, pull-ups. I was running around the neighborhood to stay in shape and guys used to laugh and say, 'You ain't going nowhere. Turn your cleats in. You didn't get no real [scholarship] offers.' I used that as motivation to just work out on own. I'd wake up and just do it on my own. No one was pushing me. I was motivating myself."

:wub:

 
Cleveland Browns Daily's top five Combine takeaways

On Monday’s edition of “Cleveland Browns Daily, Driven by Liberty Ford,” co-hosts Vic Carucci and Nathan Zegura evaluated the NFL Scouting Combine and their top five takeaways from Indianapolis.

Jim Donovan, from the PNC Bank Cleveland Browns Radio Network, joined the show with his final thoughts on the Combine and how he feels about the 2014 NFL Draft Class.


Je’Rod Cherry wrapped up the show with his reactions to the Combine and who he felt separated himself from the rest of the prospects.

Here are some highlights:Vic Carucci: Here are Vic’s top five takeaways from the 2014 NFL Combine:

5. “Teddy Bridgewater declared himself as the best quarterback in the draft. What struck me, though, was how small his frame is. I know that does not mean he can’t be great, but it is troubling to me to see this guy, who is a pocket-passer with tremendous accuracy, have such a small frame. I don’t see the definition from him that I see in other guys.”

4. “Is Johnny Manziel a good or bad teammate? Some of those questions were lingering throughout the Combine, not based on his media interviews; he followed the script for that. But the buzz I am hearing is what other Texas A&M teammates said when they were asked in meetings with teams who they would want to take along with them from the Texas A&M team. It troubles me that I am hearing other names besides Johnny’s. You would think your own teammates would want to draft you on their team.”

3. “The offensive linemen put on a pretty decent athletic show. There were five offensive linemen who ran sub-five-second 40s. One guy who stood out was Greg Robinson (offensive tackle from Auburn), who ran the 40 in 4.92 seconds. It’s not the fact that you are expecting an offensive lineman to run 40 yards for you (in a game), but with (Kyle) Shanahan’s offense, where linemen need to be mobile and need to be big, I think this draft offers more than a couple people for us.”

2. “I think Blake Bortles did such a smart thing by throwing in this combine. If he had the most questions out of the top three quarterbacks in this draft, I thought he did exactly what he needed to do to eliminate most of them, by not only throwing, but throwing well. He had the stage to himself and all the focus was there and this guy put on a show. His footwork is improving, but as a kid, he is impressive and has that down-home, genuine feel to him that I think would fit well in Cleveland.”

1. “I had the opportunity to talk with Jadeveon Clowney and first of all, there is a lot of personality there. He says he has an edge and a chip on his shoulder, but he’s saying it with a smile on his face. He looks like he loves life and is very comfortable in his own skin. He ran a 4.47 40. It doesn’t bother me that he only threw the bar up 21 times. I think the guy could very easily make his case to be the top pick of the draft. If he’s not, and he’s still there at the number four pick, it would be shocking to me if the Browns didn’t heavily consider him.”

Nathan Zegura: Here are Nathan’s top five takeaways from the 2014 NFL Combine:

5. “The bench press is overrated. Who cares? I don’t care that Clowney only did 21 repetitions on the bench press. How many times do you see a guy bench press on the football field?”

4. “Mike Evans (wide receiver from Texas A&M) was one of the stars of the combine. He reminds me of a better-catching, better-hands, Vincent Jackson, and I think his speed surprised everyone. He looked like a star to me and it will be interesting to see if the Browns got Manziel at four, if they traded up to get Mike Evans.”

3. “Jordan Matthews (wide receiver from Vanderbilt) has the size, the speed, running a 4.46 40, and when you are watching him catch and run, at six-foot-four, he has the opportunity to be a great talent. He was incredibly impressive.”

2. “Brandon Cooks (wide receiver from Oregon State) lit it up at the Combine. He had the fastest time of any receiver, clocking in at 4.33. The guy is an unbelievable athlete and I would love to see him wearing the brown and orange. I think he put himself into the first round.”

1. “The receiver position is deep and full of playmakers. I love Sammy Watkins, but if the Browns are in love with a quarterback, they are going to be in a better position to get him at the number four spot and bring in another receiver later in the draft. The talent is so deep that they will be able to find that playmaker late in the first or even in to the second round.”

Jim Donovan: “Last year’s draft was so thin that by the third day of the draft, I really think it was difficult to find players at that level who could come to the NFL and contribute in any significant way. This looks to be a much deeper and talented draft, and when you have as many picks and needs that the Browns have, I think it’s a good combination. I think it will be an ever-changing story as who they will take at the number-four spot, but the thing that I noticed was the incredible speed and how these guys at every position ran well. I really enjoyed listening to the guys speak at the podium, especially Manziel and the transformations he’s made. He came out of the weekend looking pretty good to me. I like the fact that (Blake) Bortles threw. I think some people were taken aback by what he said about needing to be coached, but everyone needs to be coached at some point. The fact that he threw tells me he’s ready to go and he wants to show what he has, that he’s not hiding anything.”

Je'Rod Cherry: “What really jumped out at me (from the Combine) is Johnny Manziel not being the athlete that he was advertised to be. He was sold to me as a guy who is a phenomenal athlete, so for him to have the mediocre numbers he had jumped out at me big time. A lot of guys in that wide-receiver group ran good 40 times. You don’t want to get too caught up in the numbers, but at the same time, you want to have good measurables. A guy like Sammy Watkins is special. He separates himself from the rest of the group. Blake Bortles did that courageous thing by throwing and I think that will stand out in some guys’ minds. He’s a project and he said it himself. I just don’t know if you get a guy like that with your fourth overall pick. A guy at the number-four spot needs to be an immediate impact on your team.”
 
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Thanks for the time and work, Faust... a late-Andre the Giant-sized thumbs up (his monstrous paws and digits would dwarf a beer can like an ordinary human would a thimble). :)

I try and check most of your links, because I never know when I might glean a few insights into things I didn't know already, and it often happens (certainly enough to make it worthwhile, anyways). There were a few interesting ones here.

"QB scrutiny: An example: Teddy Bridgewater told me Saturday he was going to run but never did. The same GM said of Bridgewater: "He beefed up to 214 to appear bigger, but he better not think he can drop the weight to run at his pro day. We don't fall for that one."

"Who the players like: While interviewing many of the defensive players in this draft, especially the defensive backs, I always ask who most impressed them (they were not allowed to list any players from their own team).

It was clear the SEC players liked QB Aaron Murray and LSU wide receiver Odell Beckham Jr. Alabama DB Ha-Ha Clinton-Dix said, "Murray is real dangerous when he sends four vertical routes because he really can move the safety with his eyes and go the other way and he throws a tight ball."

Vanderbilt safety Kenny Ladler added that Murray throws a better seam ball than Manziel."

 
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I agree with the above about Murray. The guy can sling it very well. He's undersized unfortunately and not terribly athletic. I like him but think he's a career backup in the NFL. He gets careless with the ball and can be too much of a gunslinger. He's got a better arm than Manziel IMO.

 
Jim Donovan: “Last year’s draft was so thin that by the third day of the draft, I really think it was difficult to find players at that level who could come to the NFL and contribute in any significant way.
3.11: Mike Glennon, started 13 games, 19 TD 9 INT, looked pretty good for a rookie.

3.14: Keenan Allen, various offensive rookie of the year awards

3.23: Jordan Reed, All-NFL rookie team despite season-ending injury

5.27: Zac Stacy, 1100 all-purpose yards and 8 TDs

6.19: Andre Ellington: 1000 all-purpose yards (5.5 ypc) and 4 TDs

Just more proof that these guys don't even know what's coming out of their own mouths. (Exception for Je'rod Cherry, go Bears).

 
Jim Donovan: Last years draft was so thin that by the third day of the draft, I really think it was difficult to find players at that level who could come to the NFL and contribute in any significant way.
3.11: Mike Glennon, started 13 games, 19 TD 9 INT, looked pretty good for a rookie.

3.14: Keenan Allen, various offensive rookie of the year awards

3.23: Jordan Reed, All-NFL rookie team despite season-ending injury

5.27: Zac Stacy, 1100 all-purpose yards and 8 TDs

6.19: Andre Ellington: 1000 all-purpose yards (5.5 ypc) and 4 TDs

Just more proof that these guys don't even know what's coming out of their own mouths. (Exception for Je'rod Cherry, go Bears).
To add more fire, Paul Worrilow went undrafted. Chris Jones was cut twice. He lead all rookie DTs in sacks while not even playing the first quarter of the season.
 
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Jim Donovan: Last years draft was so thin that by the third day of the draft, I really think it was difficult to find players at that level who could come to the NFL and contribute in any significant way.
3.11: Mike Glennon, started 13 games, 19 TD 9 INT, looked pretty good for a rookie.

3.14: Keenan Allen, various offensive rookie of the year awards

3.23: Jordan Reed, All-NFL rookie team despite season-ending injury

5.27: Zac Stacy, 1100 all-purpose yards and 8 TDs

6.19: Andre Ellington: 1000 all-purpose yards (5.5 ypc) and 4 TDs

Just more proof that these guys don't even know what's coming out of their own mouths. (Exception for Je'rod Cherry, go Bears).
To add more fire, Paul Worrilow went undrafted. Chris Jones was cut twice. He lead all rookie DTs in sacks while not even playing the first quarter of the season.
Eagles 5th rd Safety Earl Wolffe looked like a player and was playing meaningful minutes until an injury derailed him.
 
Mayock was raving about Aaron Donald, and said as historically great as Clowney's workout was for a DE, he would stack up Donald's workout with any DT in the past decade. I think his 4.68 (at 285 lbs.!!!) was the fastest for his position in Combine history.

He won just about every award a DL can win, dominated and was the best player at the Senior Bowl (though Dee Ford won MVP of the game) and than blew up the combine. Shaun O'Hara compared him to John Randle. The arrow seems pointed up for his draft stock.

I didn't see an obvious team in the top half of the first round that would draft him, but he seems like a player that teams might want to trade up for. He might not be an ideal fit for all teams (against a smash mouth run game he could be road kill), but he would be scary on a team like SEA.

* Calvin Pryor shrunk in the wash, and went from 6'2" to 5'11". That is one of the more precipitous drops I can recall. An inch, maybe, but three?? Anyways, I still think he is a great player, but it could cause him to drop. Interesting to see what his 40 time and explosiveness measurables are Tuesday.

** Tomorrow is the most anticipated 40 of the Combine after Clowney. Eisen.

 
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No love for Jordan Matthews? Tall, fast, good route runner, great hands. Idk seems really really good and flying under the radar little.

 
Mayock was raving about Aaron Donald, and said as historically great as Clowney's workout was for a DE, he would stack up Donald's workout with any DT in the past decade. I think his 4.68 (at 285 lbs.!!!) was the fastest for his position in Combine history.

He won just about every award a DL can win, dominated and was the best player at the Senior Bowl (though Dee Ford won MVP of the game) and than blew up the combine. Shaun O'Hara compared him to John Randle. The arrow seems pointed up for his draft stock.

I didn't see an obvious team in the top half of the first round that would draft him
Could he work as a DE in a 3-4? Then maybe TEN

 
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Mayock was raving about Aaron Donald, and said as historically great as Clowney's workout was for a DE, he would stack up Donald's workout with any DT in the past decade. I think his 4.68 (at 285 lbs.!!!) was the fastest for his position in Combine history.

He won just about every award a DL can win, dominated and was the best player at the Senior Bowl (though Dee Ford won MVP of the game) and than blew up the combine. Shaun O'Hara compared him to John Randle. The arrow seems pointed up for his draft stock.

I didn't see an obvious team in the top half of the first round that would draft him
Could he work as a DE in a 3-4? Then maybe TEN
I think his natural position is a 4-3 penetrating under tackle. SEA already mentioned (and too heinous to contemplate for a STL fan). Maybe CHI, though their run defense was brutal and appallingly bad, not sure if they would be looking for a stouter run stuffing-type? He has been compared to Geno Atkins, so doing some dot connecting, former CIN DC Zimmer is now HC in MIN (John Randle's old stomping grounds), and Kevin Williams in on his last legs. Mack might be gone already, and he could be a better scheme fit as a 3-4 OLB (same as Barr), though he probably has the versatilty to make a great SAM in a 4-3. Mosley could be a good fit, the kind of LB you could build a defense around (though CIN seemed to prioritize DL and secondary for high picks on defense). Jared Allen is gone, but not a lot of great DEs after Clowney (too early for Kony Ealy?). The 1.8 pick may seem way too early, but Donald has been surging and put the kind of exclamation point on his post-collegiate/pre-draft process to arguably deserve to be in the conversation as a top 10 pick, or at least top half of the first round (maybe with a MIN trade down?). The Giants like DL picks, if Lewan is off the board? I think STL might be looking at a safety with their lower first, plus it seems like Fisher prefers bigger DTs. But Langford may be in his last year and Donald could be close to BPA at 1.13 post-Combine. Quinn, Long, Brockers and Donald could conjure up memories of the Fearsome Foursome! :)

DAL could be the best fit. They need to revamp their DL, Montee Kiffin is still involved (with the new title of assistant HC of defense) and their mid-first pick could be right in the wheelhouse of his BPA value at that juncture, possibly presenting a great intersection with team need? Arguably one of their biggest problems on defense in 2013 was an inability to generate a pass rush and QB pressure (along with a hospital ward full of injuries, but the two of course were probably related). In the abandoned 3-4, they used to do it with Ware and Spencer, but they could both be gone. Kiffin's classic scheme (though new DC Marinelli may tweak it?) was predicated on generating pressure from the front four. Another circa Dungy/Kiffin Tampa Cover 2 hallmark or leitmotif was undersized, lightning quick defenders at every level (see Hall of Famers Sapp, Brooks and possible future inductee Barber).

 
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I was wondering how long Aaron Donald would remain under the radar. The combine doesn't matter though right...
he has game tape, great game tape, just hadn't gotten noticed much publicly.That has nothing to do with the combine.
He's had great things on tape and concerning things IMO. Anyone who watched knew he was athletic. The issue with him is he ether beats guys with athletism and initial burst or gets stonewalled. I'm guessing that's because he is small for a DT and can't generate enough power to really fight thru the blocks once engaged. He's also got short arms which will hurt him to disengage and keep Olinemen from engaging him. Great combine for him no doubt. I'd still take the kid from FSU as my top DT though and the ND kid for my top 3-4 DT. The thought of moving him to a 3-4 DE is intriguing. That could be a great spot for him.

 
Stonewalled? Never saw it. Have you seen it in any videos online or just game watching? Asking because I'd like to watch. Waswilling to over look the short arms issue because of his tape, but if I haven't seen enoughbad tape...

 
I was wondering how long Aaron Donald would remain under the radar. The combine doesn't matter though right...
Under the radar for who? Maybe you feel that way because this is a fantasy football website and such places always have a better handle on offensive players, but I don't think he's been under the radar elsewhere at all. Ive seen people talking about him for a long time.

 

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