Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Anyone want to compare and contrast OBJr with Bruce Ellington? Was looking for comps for Beckham (very few) and Ellington popped up. He's more than an inch shorter, but otherwise the pair is a pretty strong fit.
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I did not see him on many first round mocks
jurb26
Footballguy
So apparently nobody cares about the DBs today. None the less, both the top CBs impressed with their unofficial 40 times. Gilbert at 4.35 and Denard at 4.42.
Fuller is an interesting prospect to me. Seems to have the right pedigree to be a starter in the NFL but had bad lapses in college. He ran a 4.40 as well.
Fuller is an interesting prospect to me. Seems to have the right pedigree to be a starter in the NFL but had bad lapses in college. He ran a 4.40 as well.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
I like the guy from Baylor. Forgot his name.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
False Start
Footballguy
Gaines from Rice looked pretty good, fast too. He may go up some boards after his good workout.
cstu
Footballguy
MAC_32
Footballguy
if Ellington goes to a good situation and Beckham does not I will have Ellington higher on my board. Almost certainly won't consider him until later for value purposes because the consensus disagrees, but both are very situation dependent.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Gilbert was fastest with 4.37, Roby 4.38. One other guy had sub 4.4. '13 and '12 had more.
Clinton Dix and Pryor both ran a 4.58.
Clinton Dix and Pryor both ran a 4.58.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Saw that Dix and Pryor both ran the same unofficial 40---who is supposed to be the better "ball" guy out of these two? I know one is supposed to be the "hitter" but I dont recall which one
From the article...
I am having a problem reconciling these two paragraphs above. He's a top 15 pick but he needs an ideal scheme fit or his shot at stardom is nil. Anyone care to help me understand here?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Faust
MVP
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MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Eisen ran a 5.98. Hand-timed, so it's probably closer to a 6.2.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Kirwin droped an interesting nugget about adding results from, Bench, vert, and broad jumps, to get a base-line 'explosion' number.
Hmnnn a Mendoza Line for explosion, interesting.
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Pat Kirwan@PatKirwanCBS16h
Take a look@Combine results for explosion..Bench+Vertical+Broad Jump..needs to combine for a # over 70 if explosive. Ryan Shazier had 77.08
Jake Stein@Jstein246915h
@PatKirwanCBS one of my favorite nuggets you dropped during your visit w/ the Madden team. Hope all is well & we see you back soon, Pat.
Hmnnn a Mendoza Line for explosion, interesting.
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Pat Kirwan@PatKirwanCBS16h
Take a look@Combine results for explosion..Bench+Vertical+Broad Jump..needs to combine for a # over 70 if explosive. Ryan Shazier had 77.08
Jake Stein@Jstein246915h
@PatKirwanCBS one of my favorite nuggets you dropped during your visit w/ the Madden team. Hope all is well & we see you back soon, Pat.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Don't understand why the bench is necessary to determine explosiveness.
MoveToSkypager
Footballguy
Yeah, that then he'd hurt whatever act he's going for. I think he should run in dress shoes. He probably would wipe out on his second step though.
cstu
Footballguy
Really tough for an amateur like myself who doesn't know the intricacies of the position. Gilbert is the only guy that stands out to me as a can't-miss and future Pro Bowl'er. He looks as good as any CB I've seen come out in recent years besides Peterson.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Clinton-Dix was already ahead of Pryor on a lot boards, he might move ahead on more after the Combine. Mayock said he saw both as potential top 15 picks. Not sure about that, but if they are drafted about where Vaccaro and Reid went last year in a far deeper draft, maybe they are more comparable prospects than generally thought. Clinton-Dix didn't look as active in run support at the end of the season. Pryor is a thumper, but may get dinged for his workout.
Sort of like the STL 1.2 pick, where multiple teams could be gunning for Clowney or one of the QBs, 1.13 could be an interesting spot. If CHI (#14) or DAL (#16) are linked with DT Aaron Donald (who had Clowney-like buzz for his position), 1.13 could be a target to get in front of them.
Sort of like the STL 1.2 pick, where multiple teams could be gunning for Clowney or one of the QBs, 1.13 could be an interesting spot. If CHI (#14) or DAL (#16) are linked with DT Aaron Donald (who had Clowney-like buzz for his position), 1.13 could be a target to get in front of them.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I feel comfortable in my evals of Dennard and Roby but that's because I have seen them each play more than a dozen games. The rest? Not so much. Good feel for Haha and Pryor too. Not great, but good.
BuzzCagney
Footballguy
Xue
Footballguy
Ellington is not on Beckham's level. He's closer to Robert Herron's level. Reminds me of Deion Branch. I see a slot receiver in the NFL.
Faust
MVP
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
Good article by former NFL personnel exec.
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Take the vertical leap, the standing broad jump and the bench press numbers and add them up. The key is to find players that can reach or surpass the 70 for a combined total. For example, Aaron Donald had a 75, Kalil Mack had a 73 and running back Bishop Sankey had a 71. Those numbers don't always add up to a great football player, but it is a start.
Also, look at the the depth in the second round, and it will extend into the third. I hope STL can trade down twice from 1.2 and 1.13, and add 2-3 day two picks. They already have 4 picks in the first three rounds, so that could give them 6-7 in a draft some front office types are calling the deepest draft in a decade.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24457769/nfl-draft-what-comes-next-clubs-after-combine
What comes next after the Combine?
Pat Kirwan
2-26
The NFL combine is over, and we watched 335 young men compete for 256 draft spots. Approximately 20 players will be drafted who didn't attend, so there really are about 246 draft spots which means about 90 of the candidates at the combine will not be drafted.
The mountain of information gathered needs to be deciphered as the draft approaches, because what happens at the combine can be misleading. As former Oakland Raiders college scouting director Jon Kingdon who served for 33 years said in an interview with me this week "If we thought a guy played fast, but came to the combine and ran slow, we go back and look at the film," said former Raiders college scouting director Jon Kingdon, who had 33 years on the job, in an interview with me this week. "And the same for the guy that ran fast in Indianapolis but didn't play fast."
The point: There still is lots of work to be done before the draft, but plenty of players made an impression at Indianapolis.
1. Players moving up, or into first round: Three players moved up higher in the first round: Aaron Donald, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Justin Gilbert. The Combine also removed any doubt about Sammy Watkins, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Greg Robinson, Mike Evans or Tre Mason as first-round talent.
There's something to be said for coming to the combine and putting it all on the line.
2: Balancing draft, free-agency pools: With free agency two weeks away, teams have to compare the draft talent pool to the free-agent pool at all positions.
For example, there appears to be a pretty quick drop off at safety in this draft class, with teams feeling that maybe only four or five safeties can play early. That increases the value of Jarius Byrd, Donte Whitner, T.J. Ward and Stevie Brown for teams in need at safety.
On the flip side, wide receiver is a deep class with 10 or more wideouts who figure to go in the first two rounds. That takes away from a deep veteran pool of wide receivers and make it a buyer's market for teams.
3. Big cornerbacks: We witnessed what the Seahawks did in the Super Bowl with their big corners, so starting at the Senior Bowl there was a lot of interest in finding big corners.
The combine did not disappoint, with 11 corners 6-foot or taller, but that may not satisfy the market of teams looking for big corners.
Back in the 2011 draft there were 21 corners 6-0 or taller, led by Patrick Peterson. Most teams also left that combine with Richard Sherman ranked as a sixth-roundround pick and not among the top 20 corners. His 4.54-second 40, and 4.33 short shuttle didn't impress to many personnel people. So the lesson from this combine is to keep digging, and maybe a player like Keith McGill (Utah) or Stanley Jean Baptiste (Nebraska) -- both 6-3 like the Seahawks' outspoken CB -- could be the next Richard Sherman.
4. Second round is loaded: This draft is deep. "They can only take 32 teams off the board in the first round," one GM told me. "And I already like what will still be up there waiting to get selected."
I couldn't agree more, after watching the combine and interviewing as many players as I could. I have 29 guys bound for the second round, with a few -- hopefully for them -- who might sneak into the first round.
With talent this stocked, plenty of teams are trying to stockpile picks in the second round.
Take the vertical leap, the standing broad jump and the bench press numbers and add them up. The key is to find players that can reach or surpass the 70 for a combined total. For example, Aaron Donald had a 75, Kalil Mack had a 73 and running back Bishop Sankey had a 71. Those numbers don't always add up to a great football player, but it is a start.
6. Play-calling linebackers: Everyone gets excited about pass rushers like Jadeveon Clowney, corners like Justin Gilbert and safeties like Ha- Ha Clinton-Dix, but defensive coordinators are equally interested in middle linebackers who can line up and call a defense.
Twenty years ago, middle linebacker was a premiere position in the NFL and talked about all the time. Today, it seems like an afterthought unless your team doesn't have a guy to quarterback the defense. A year ago, Kiko Alonzo left the combine as a projected third- or fourth-round pick and the Bills were smart enough to take him in the second. He quarterbacked that defense from Day One.
I interviewed three middle linebacker types that can QB a defense. Of course Alabama's C.J. Mosley is the headliner, but keep an eye on Chris Borland (Wisconsin), Max Bullough (Michigan State), and Jordan Zumwalt (UCLA). Not many people talking about these players but they can get the job done on the field leading a defense.
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Take the vertical leap, the standing broad jump and the bench press numbers and add them up. The key is to find players that can reach or surpass the 70 for a combined total. For example, Aaron Donald had a 75, Kalil Mack had a 73 and running back Bishop Sankey had a 71. Those numbers don't always add up to a great football player, but it is a start.
Also, look at the the depth in the second round, and it will extend into the third. I hope STL can trade down twice from 1.2 and 1.13, and add 2-3 day two picks. They already have 4 picks in the first three rounds, so that could give them 6-7 in a draft some front office types are calling the deepest draft in a decade.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pat-kirwan/24457769/nfl-draft-what-comes-next-clubs-after-combine
What comes next after the Combine?
Pat Kirwan
2-26
The NFL combine is over, and we watched 335 young men compete for 256 draft spots. Approximately 20 players will be drafted who didn't attend, so there really are about 246 draft spots which means about 90 of the candidates at the combine will not be drafted.
The mountain of information gathered needs to be deciphered as the draft approaches, because what happens at the combine can be misleading. As former Oakland Raiders college scouting director Jon Kingdon who served for 33 years said in an interview with me this week "If we thought a guy played fast, but came to the combine and ran slow, we go back and look at the film," said former Raiders college scouting director Jon Kingdon, who had 33 years on the job, in an interview with me this week. "And the same for the guy that ran fast in Indianapolis but didn't play fast."
The point: There still is lots of work to be done before the draft, but plenty of players made an impression at Indianapolis.
1. Players moving up, or into first round: Three players moved up higher in the first round: Aaron Donald, Ha Ha Clinton-Dix and Justin Gilbert. The Combine also removed any doubt about Sammy Watkins, Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews, Greg Robinson, Mike Evans or Tre Mason as first-round talent.
There's something to be said for coming to the combine and putting it all on the line.
2: Balancing draft, free-agency pools: With free agency two weeks away, teams have to compare the draft talent pool to the free-agent pool at all positions.
For example, there appears to be a pretty quick drop off at safety in this draft class, with teams feeling that maybe only four or five safeties can play early. That increases the value of Jarius Byrd, Donte Whitner, T.J. Ward and Stevie Brown for teams in need at safety.
On the flip side, wide receiver is a deep class with 10 or more wideouts who figure to go in the first two rounds. That takes away from a deep veteran pool of wide receivers and make it a buyer's market for teams.
3. Big cornerbacks: We witnessed what the Seahawks did in the Super Bowl with their big corners, so starting at the Senior Bowl there was a lot of interest in finding big corners.
The combine did not disappoint, with 11 corners 6-foot or taller, but that may not satisfy the market of teams looking for big corners.
Back in the 2011 draft there were 21 corners 6-0 or taller, led by Patrick Peterson. Most teams also left that combine with Richard Sherman ranked as a sixth-roundround pick and not among the top 20 corners. His 4.54-second 40, and 4.33 short shuttle didn't impress to many personnel people. So the lesson from this combine is to keep digging, and maybe a player like Keith McGill (Utah) or Stanley Jean Baptiste (Nebraska) -- both 6-3 like the Seahawks' outspoken CB -- could be the next Richard Sherman.
4. Second round is loaded: This draft is deep. "They can only take 32 teams off the board in the first round," one GM told me. "And I already like what will still be up there waiting to get selected."
I couldn't agree more, after watching the combine and interviewing as many players as I could. I have 29 guys bound for the second round, with a few -- hopefully for them -- who might sneak into the first round.
With talent this stocked, plenty of teams are trying to stockpile picks in the second round.
- Fresno State QB Derek Carr
- Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde
- Auburn RB Tre Mason
- Washington RB Bishop Sankey
- LSU WR Jarvis Landry
- Oregon State WR Brandon Cooks
- Penn State WR Allen Robinson
- Vanderbilt WR Jordan Matthews
- Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins
- Mississippi State G Gabe Jackson
- Stanford G David Yankey
- Baylor G Cyril Richardson
- UCLA OL Xavier Su'a-Filo
- Arkansas C Travis Swanson
- Colorado State C Weston Richburg
- Auburn LB Dee Ford
- Oregon State DE Scott Crichton
- Stanford OLB/DE Trent Murphy
- North Carolina DE Kareem Martin
- LSU DL Ego Ferguson
- Arizona State DL Will Sutton
- Brigham Young LB Kyle Van Noy
- Ohio State LB Ryan Shazier
- Florida CB Marcus Roberson
- Virginia Tech CB Kyle Fuller
- Ohio State DB Bradley Roby
- Utah CB Keith McGill
- Nebraska CB Stanley Jean Baptiste
- Washington S Deone Buccanon
Take the vertical leap, the standing broad jump and the bench press numbers and add them up. The key is to find players that can reach or surpass the 70 for a combined total. For example, Aaron Donald had a 75, Kalil Mack had a 73 and running back Bishop Sankey had a 71. Those numbers don't always add up to a great football player, but it is a start.
6. Play-calling linebackers: Everyone gets excited about pass rushers like Jadeveon Clowney, corners like Justin Gilbert and safeties like Ha- Ha Clinton-Dix, but defensive coordinators are equally interested in middle linebackers who can line up and call a defense.
Twenty years ago, middle linebacker was a premiere position in the NFL and talked about all the time. Today, it seems like an afterthought unless your team doesn't have a guy to quarterback the defense. A year ago, Kiko Alonzo left the combine as a projected third- or fourth-round pick and the Bills were smart enough to take him in the second. He quarterbacked that defense from Day One.
I interviewed three middle linebacker types that can QB a defense. Of course Alabama's C.J. Mosley is the headliner, but keep an eye on Chris Borland (Wisconsin), Max Bullough (Michigan State), and Jordan Zumwalt (UCLA). Not many people talking about these players but they can get the job done on the field leading a defense.
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Bob Magaw
Footballguy
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329324/article/25-things-we-learned-from-the-nfl-scouting-combine
25 things we learned from the NFL Scouting Combine
By Chase Goodbread and Mike Huguenin
Wrapping up the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine is no easy task with 335 players invited to a week-long event to be sized up by all 32 NFL clubs. Our cup runneth over. Here are 25 things the College Football 24/7 team learned about the prospects in Indianapolis:
1. Fastballs for Bullough
Contrary to the natural assumption that former Missouri defensive end Michael Sam endured the roughest media interview as the NFL's first openly gay draft prospect, we'll instead give that distinction to Michigan State linebacker Max Bullough. Sam certainly took some tough questions, but he was well-prepared, unflinching, and, frankly, handled them with ease. Bullough was grilled about his Rose Bowl suspension by Detroit reporters, who tend to be some of the most intrepid in the business, and answered questions like he was sitting in a dentist chair.
2. Making the rounds
Of the 335 players invited to the combine, 269 interviewed with the media, plus 27 head coaches and 24 general managers, according to the Pro Football Writers Association. The most conspicuous absence? Undoubtedly Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley, who was the most high-profile prospect not to speak to the press and probably the only one among the legitimate first-round candidates.
3. Mum on Muema
The mysterious case of Adam Muema only seems to be getting more mysterious. With a dream of playing for the Seattle Seahawks, the former San Diego State running back withdrew from the combine early, he said, based on divine advice that not participating would be his best path to playing for Seattle. Muema flew out of Indianapolis Sunday. He's not been heard from since.
4. Red-flagged Clowney
South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney wowed everyone with his 4.53 40-yard dash at 266 pounds. But he also seemingly left everyone peeved when he declined to participate in the on-field workouts. NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock and NFL Network analyst Warren Sapp said you have to look beyond the 40 time with Clowney. Mayock said numerous times that there are "red flags" about Clowney's work ethic: "He turns it on, he turns it off." Sapp, meanwhile, said he was "ashamed" to look at Clowney's game tape because of inconsistent play. Sapp said the tape made you question whether Clowney truly "wanted to play this game." The conundrum, as NFL Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah described it: It's scary to draft Clowney but it's also scary to bypass him.
5. Boyd runs slow
You'll have to go back two years to remember Chris Boyd's last on-field action. Remembering his combine performance will be even harder. The former Vanderbilt receiver who was dismissed from the team last year hasn't played since 2012. His 40-yard dash of 4.73 was the second-slowest at the position, a shade better than LSU's Jarvis Landry (4.77). Boyd bench-pressed 12 reps of 225, which was fewer than most. His interview process couldn't have been easy, either. Assuming the new Vandy coaching staff gives him a spot at VU's pro day (the former staff had planned to invite him), Boyd will need a better showing in Nashville than he had in Indianapolis.
6. Sam needs a good pro day
Missouri DE Michael Sam had an uneven weekend. He handled the media attention with aplomb, but did not do well in his drills and needs a strong pro day. The thought coming in was that Sam lacked athleticism, was not an every-down player and likely would go between the third and fifth round. Mayock thought the workout was so mediocre that Sam dropped to a likely fifth-rounder; the thought now seems to be that Sam can make a team as a situational pass rusher and special-teamer.
7. Power is their game
The two slowest 40-yard dash times at the combine came from two of the SEC's best offensive linemen: Mississippi State guard Gabe Jackson (5.51) and Alabama tackle Cyrus Kouandjio (5.59). Suffice it to say, power, not speed, is their game. Kouandjio's time bested the annual 40-yard dash run by NFL Network's Rich Eisen by .39 seconds. ... Speaking of Kouandjio, he said his lackluster performance in the Sugar Bowl against Oklahoma, in which he allowed multiple sacks, was reviewed with him on tape during most of his club interviews.
8. Must-see pro days
Not all pro days are created equal. Taking the quarterbacks out of the mix, here are five must-see pro days, listed chronologically, for guys who didn't do the drills at the combine for medical reasons: March 4 for Auburn DE Dee Ford, March 7 for Ohio State OLB Ryan Shazier, March 12 for Alabama ILB C.J. Mosley, March 20 for Notre Dame DE Stephon Tuitt and April 2 for Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins. All but Ford are considered likely first-rounders, and Ford could sneak into the end of the first round if teams think he can be an every-down pass rusher. A suggestion: Somebody should hire Jadeveon Clowney to cover Ford's pro day.
9. Bench-press champ
North Carolina offensive lineman Russell Bodine was the combine's bench-press champion. He lifted 42 reps of 225 pounds, six more than five second-placers who managed 36 reps. Antonio "Tiny" Richardson of Tennessee was among those.
10. Position free-for-alls
The best player is known at wide receiver (Clemson's Sammy Watkins), linebacker (Buffalo OLB Khalil Mack), tight end (North Carolina's Eric Ebron) and defensive end (Clowney). But the "best player at the position" moniker remains up for grabs at quarterback, running back, center, guard, offensive tackle, defensive tackle, cornerback and safety. Pro days might help settle a few of those, but it might take the draft itself to settle others.
11. The fast Watkins
Speedy Clemson WR Sammy Watkins hoped to beat out hundreds of participants in the 40-yard dash not only for the best time of the 2014 combine, but to take down Chris Johnson's event record of 4.24 seconds as well. Turns out, his 4.43 time wasn't even the fastest time in his own family. Florida defensive back Jaylen Watkins, who is Sammy's half-brother, ran a 4.41.
12. A great OT class
It will be hard to reach a consensus on the No. 1 offensive tackle. Mayock said each of the top three tackles -- Michigan's Taylor Lewan, Texas A&M's Jake Matthews and Auburn's Greg Robinson -- is "big, strong, fast, highly athletic," and it seems increasingly likely that at least two go in the top 10 and all three could be off the board by pick 12. Robinson's workouts included a 4.92 clocking in the 40-yard dash -- at 332 pounds. Lewan, who is 6-7 and 309 pounds, had the fastest 40 time among the linemen (4.87 seconds) and also the best broad jump (9 feet, 9 inches). Matthews (6-5½, 308) didn't do that bad, either, running a 5.07 and turning in a 4.47 20-yard shuttle. And NFL Media analyst Shaun O'Hara said that the top three tackles "might even be better" than the top three tackles last year -- and those three were gone by pick four.
13. Mastering the 3-cone
While the 40-yard dash might be the more glamorous test, the 3-cone drill might be the most telling of any at the combine. It measures not only speed but also the attributes many players need just as much or more: quickness, change-of-direction, explosiveness. See it in action here. Your combine 3-cone champion: BYU safety Daniel Sorensen (6.47 seconds). The worst: Notre Dame nose guard Louis Nix (8.29).
14. Mack is the man
Buffalo's Khalil Mack solidified himself as the top linebacker in the draft with his combine performance. Mayock has said Mack would be his No. 1 overall pick and called him "a fluid and explosive athlete." Mack measured 6-3 and 261 pounds and had a 40.5-inch vertical jump and ran a 4.65 40, which was tied for fourth-fastest among the linebackers. He also looked smooth and athletic in the on-field drills.
15. Doubled up
The best vertical jump at the combine was more than twice the worst. Ohio State linebacker Ryan Shazier absolutely took flight with a 42-inch leap that led the 2014 combine field. At the other end of the spectrum was Tennessee nose guard Daniel McCullers (20.5 inches). At 6-foot-8, we're pretty sure McCullers can perform some nifty basketball dunks despite his gravity-challenged, 350-pound frame.
16. The push for bigger corners
The NFL is a copycat league, which means every team is going to look for big cornerbacks, a la Seattle. During NFL Network's coverage of the combine, NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock said the increasing use of the back-shoulder fade makes bigger corners a necessity. So, does that mean some corners will be overrated (and over-drafted) because of their height? Seven corners measured at least 6-0 at the combine, and another nine were at least 5-11½. Interestingly, the two fastest corners at the combine were at least 6-0: Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert (6-0½, 202) ran a 4.37 and Rice's Phillip Gaines (6-0 3/8, 193) ran a 4.38. Gilbert went into the combine generally considered one of the top three corners and might have put himself at the top of a lot of lists with his blistering 40 time. Gaines, though, was seen as a potential third-day pick, and his fast time likely doesn't change that. The biggest corner was Utah's Keith McGill (6-3 3/8, 211), who also played safety for the Utes and might end up there in the NFL because he can struggle in coverage. McGill ran a 4.51 40.
17. Andrews struggles
To NFL clubs that place heavier value on college production, Western Kentucky running back Antonio Andrews has to look attractive after leading the NCAA in all-purpose yards for the last two seasons. For those who value combine results more, he doesn't look like such a prize. Andrews ran a 4.82 40-yard dash, one of the worst times at the position. Scouts already were concerned about Andrews' reputation as a fumbler.
18. Short but stout
Pittsburgh DT Aaron Donald has a problem with height: He isn't even 6-1. But he had a tremendous combine, drawing rave reviews from everybody. He ranked among the top defensive line prospects in the 40-yard dash (4.68 -- at 285 pounds!), three-cone drill (7.11 seconds) and bench press (35 reps) and also had a vertical jump of 32 inches and a broad jump of 9 feet, 8 inches. And if you have seen tape on Donald, you know all about his incredible production at Pitt. O'Hara obviously has seen Donald on tape, saying, "I think this kid's already a better pass rusher right now than Ndamukong Suh was when he was coming in."
19. Looks past the 40 on Allen Robinson
Yes, Penn State WR Allen Robinson's 40 time was mediocre -- bad, even -- at 4.60 seconds. But he measured in at almost 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds, had a 39-inch vertical jump, a broad jump of 10 feet, 7 inches and a 20-yard shuttle of 4.0 seconds. Those are good numbers. A good 40 at his pro day, and he will move back into the discussion about whether he is a top-five receiver.
20. Small-school standouts
Two small-school guys who stood out with their athleticism were Saginaw Valley State WR Jeff Janis and Bloomsburg (Pa.) DE Larry Webster. Janis has excellent size (6-3, 219) and ran a 4.42 40; that included a jaw-dropping (but unofficial) 10-yard split of 1.47 (Dri Archer's unofficial split was 1.46). Janis also did 20 reps on the bench press, had a 37.5-inch vertical jump, a 10-3 broad jump and a solid 3.98-second clocking in the 20-yard shuttle. He's not going to make a rookie splash, but as a developmental prospect, he has a high upside. As for Webster (6-6, 252), he played just two seasons of college football after starting for four years at center in basketball. He had 26 sacks in his two seasons, which piqued the interest of a lot of scouts. Their interest was piqued again at the combine: he ran a 4.58 40, had a vertical jump of 36.5 inches, a broad jump of 10-3 and a 20-yard shuttle clocking of 4.4 seconds. He's raw as a football player but he also is a great athlete; as with Janis, he's a guy with a big upside.
21. Hard to overlook
Iowa's C.J. Fiedorowicz is a massive tight end -- 6-5½ and 265 pounds -- and while he ran a 40 time befitting a guy that big (4.76 seconds), he put up some eye-opening numbers in some other events. He was timed in 4.26 seconds in the 20-yard shuttle -- the best among the tight ends who participated in the event and 0.13 seconds better than Florida State WR Kelvin Benjamin -- and had a clocking of 7.10 seconds in the 3-cone drill. That time also was the best of the tight ends who participated in the event and a number that compared favorably with the one put up by speedy Colorado WR Paul Richardson (7.09 seconds). Fiedorowicz is more athletic than people think for a guy his size, but he was inconsistent at Iowa. Was that because of the offense, the quarterbacks throwing to him or simply Fiedorowicz's fault?
22. Hey, look at me
Washington's Bishop Sankey rushed for 1,870 yards and 20 TDs, but too often was an afterthought when it came to discussing the top five backs in the nation. He shouldn't be an afterthought anymore. He ran a better-than-expected 4.49 40-yard dash, did 26 reps on the bench press, had a 35.5-inch vertical jump, a 10-6 broad jump and ran the 20-yard shuttle in 4.0 seconds. That was the fastest clocking of any back who did the drill. It would be a shock if a running back went in the first round, but at some point in the second round, there likely will be the start of a run on running backs and Sankey should be involved in that run.
23. He's a snake
While combine performance results are made public almost instantly, prospects' interviews with NFL clubs are as private as can be. Glimpses are few. Here's one from Alabama WR Kevin Norwood courtesy of Tidesports.com. Norwood was asked if he were an animal, what type would he be?: "I never even thought about it before. I sat there for at least two minutes thinking like, 'OK, I'm dependable. I'm a silent killer,'" he said. "So the closest thing I thought of was a snake, a python. Nobody hears it coming, but when it comes, it's going to kill you."
24. Smart one
Princeton's Caraun Reid, who was among the Senior Bowl's most outstanding performers, acquitted himself well at the combine with a 4.91 40-yard dash as a 302-pound defensive tackle. Given his Ivy League background, we can only assume he blew away the interview process and the Wonderlic test.
25. Long journey
Former SEC freshmen of the year aren't typically underdogs at the combine, but that's the case with Alabama State's Isaiah Crowell. The former Georgia running back was the SEC's top freshman back in 2011, but was dismissed from the team following a firearms charge that was later dropped. He landed at Alabama State, and played well enough there for a combine invite to Indy, where he posted a 4.57 40-yard dash and bench pressed 23 reps, tied for fourth among running backs.
25 things we learned from the NFL Scouting Combine
By Chase Goodbread and Mike Huguenin
Wrapping up the 2014 NFL Scouting Combine is no easy task with 335 players invited to a week-long event to be sized up by all 32 NFL clubs. Our cup runneth over. Here are 25 things the College Football 24/7 team learned about the prospects in Indianapolis:
1. Fastballs for Bullough
Contrary to the natural assumption that former Missouri defensive end Michael Sam endured the roughest media interview as the NFL's first openly gay draft prospect, we'll instead give that distinction to Michigan State linebacker Max Bullough. Sam certainly took some tough questions, but he was well-prepared, unflinching, and, frankly, handled them with ease. Bullough was grilled about his Rose Bowl suspension by Detroit reporters, who tend to be some of the most intrepid in the business, and answered questions like he was sitting in a dentist chair.
2. Making the rounds
Of the 335 players invited to the combine, 269 interviewed with the media, plus 27 head coaches and 24 general managers, according to the Pro Football Writers Association. The most conspicuous absence? Undoubtedly Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley, who was the most high-profile prospect not to speak to the press and probably the only one among the legitimate first-round candidates.
3. Mum on Muema
The mysterious case of Adam Muema only seems to be getting more mysterious. With a dream of playing for the Seattle Seahawks, the former San Diego State running back withdrew from the combine early, he said, based on divine advice that not participating would be his best path to playing for Seattle. Muema flew out of Indianapolis Sunday. He's not been heard from since.
4. Red-flagged Clowney
South Carolina DE Jadeveon Clowney wowed everyone with his 4.53 40-yard dash at 266 pounds. But he also seemingly left everyone peeved when he declined to participate in the on-field workouts. NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock and NFL Network analyst Warren Sapp said you have to look beyond the 40 time with Clowney. Mayock said numerous times that there are "red flags" about Clowney's work ethic: "He turns it on, he turns it off." Sapp, meanwhile, said he was "ashamed" to look at Clowney's game tape because of inconsistent play. Sapp said the tape made you question whether Clowney truly "wanted to play this game." The conundrum, as NFL Media draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah described it: It's scary to draft Clowney but it's also scary to bypass him.
5. Boyd runs slow
You'll have to go back two years to remember Chris Boyd's last on-field action. Remembering his combine performance will be even harder. The former Vanderbilt receiver who was dismissed from the team last year hasn't played since 2012. His 40-yard dash of 4.73 was the second-slowest at the position, a shade better than LSU's Jarvis Landry (4.77). Boyd bench-pressed 12 reps of 225, which was fewer than most. His interview process couldn't have been easy, either. Assuming the new Vandy coaching staff gives him a spot at VU's pro day (the former staff had planned to invite him), Boyd will need a better showing in Nashville than he had in Indianapolis.
6. Sam needs a good pro day
Missouri DE Michael Sam had an uneven weekend. He handled the media attention with aplomb, but did not do well in his drills and needs a strong pro day. The thought coming in was that Sam lacked athleticism, was not an every-down player and likely would go between the third and fifth round. Mayock thought the workout was so mediocre that Sam dropped to a likely fifth-rounder; the thought now seems to be that Sam can make a team as a situational pass rusher and special-teamer.
7. Power is their game
The two slowest 40-yard dash times at the combine came from two of the SEC's best offensive linemen: Mississippi State guard Gabe Jackson (5.51) and Alabama tackle Cyrus Kouandjio (5.59). Suffice it to say, power, not speed, is their game. Kouandjio's time bested the annual 40-yard dash run by NFL Network's Rich Eisen by .39 seconds. ... Speaking of Kouandjio, he said his lackluster performance in the Sugar Bowl against Oklahoma, in which he allowed multiple sacks, was reviewed with him on tape during most of his club interviews.
8. Must-see pro days
Not all pro days are created equal. Taking the quarterbacks out of the mix, here are five must-see pro days, listed chronologically, for guys who didn't do the drills at the combine for medical reasons: March 4 for Auburn DE Dee Ford, March 7 for Ohio State OLB Ryan Shazier, March 12 for Alabama ILB C.J. Mosley, March 20 for Notre Dame DE Stephon Tuitt and April 2 for Washington TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins. All but Ford are considered likely first-rounders, and Ford could sneak into the end of the first round if teams think he can be an every-down pass rusher. A suggestion: Somebody should hire Jadeveon Clowney to cover Ford's pro day.
9. Bench-press champ
North Carolina offensive lineman Russell Bodine was the combine's bench-press champion. He lifted 42 reps of 225 pounds, six more than five second-placers who managed 36 reps. Antonio "Tiny" Richardson of Tennessee was among those.
10. Position free-for-alls
The best player is known at wide receiver (Clemson's Sammy Watkins), linebacker (Buffalo OLB Khalil Mack), tight end (North Carolina's Eric Ebron) and defensive end (Clowney). But the "best player at the position" moniker remains up for grabs at quarterback, running back, center, guard, offensive tackle, defensive tackle, cornerback and safety. Pro days might help settle a few of those, but it might take the draft itself to settle others.
11. The fast Watkins
Speedy Clemson WR Sammy Watkins hoped to beat out hundreds of participants in the 40-yard dash not only for the best time of the 2014 combine, but to take down Chris Johnson's event record of 4.24 seconds as well. Turns out, his 4.43 time wasn't even the fastest time in his own family. Florida defensive back Jaylen Watkins, who is Sammy's half-brother, ran a 4.41.
12. A great OT class
It will be hard to reach a consensus on the No. 1 offensive tackle. Mayock said each of the top three tackles -- Michigan's Taylor Lewan, Texas A&M's Jake Matthews and Auburn's Greg Robinson -- is "big, strong, fast, highly athletic," and it seems increasingly likely that at least two go in the top 10 and all three could be off the board by pick 12. Robinson's workouts included a 4.92 clocking in the 40-yard dash -- at 332 pounds. Lewan, who is 6-7 and 309 pounds, had the fastest 40 time among the linemen (4.87 seconds) and also the best broad jump (9 feet, 9 inches). Matthews (6-5½, 308) didn't do that bad, either, running a 5.07 and turning in a 4.47 20-yard shuttle. And NFL Media analyst Shaun O'Hara said that the top three tackles "might even be better" than the top three tackles last year -- and those three were gone by pick four.
13. Mastering the 3-cone
While the 40-yard dash might be the more glamorous test, the 3-cone drill might be the most telling of any at the combine. It measures not only speed but also the attributes many players need just as much or more: quickness, change-of-direction, explosiveness. See it in action here. Your combine 3-cone champion: BYU safety Daniel Sorensen (6.47 seconds). The worst: Notre Dame nose guard Louis Nix (8.29).
14. Mack is the man
Buffalo's Khalil Mack solidified himself as the top linebacker in the draft with his combine performance. Mayock has said Mack would be his No. 1 overall pick and called him "a fluid and explosive athlete." Mack measured 6-3 and 261 pounds and had a 40.5-inch vertical jump and ran a 4.65 40, which was tied for fourth-fastest among the linebackers. He also looked smooth and athletic in the on-field drills.
15. Doubled up
The best vertical jump at the combine was more than twice the worst. Ohio State linebacker Ryan Shazier absolutely took flight with a 42-inch leap that led the 2014 combine field. At the other end of the spectrum was Tennessee nose guard Daniel McCullers (20.5 inches). At 6-foot-8, we're pretty sure McCullers can perform some nifty basketball dunks despite his gravity-challenged, 350-pound frame.
16. The push for bigger corners
The NFL is a copycat league, which means every team is going to look for big cornerbacks, a la Seattle. During NFL Network's coverage of the combine, NFL Media draft analyst Mike Mayock said the increasing use of the back-shoulder fade makes bigger corners a necessity. So, does that mean some corners will be overrated (and over-drafted) because of their height? Seven corners measured at least 6-0 at the combine, and another nine were at least 5-11½. Interestingly, the two fastest corners at the combine were at least 6-0: Oklahoma State's Justin Gilbert (6-0½, 202) ran a 4.37 and Rice's Phillip Gaines (6-0 3/8, 193) ran a 4.38. Gilbert went into the combine generally considered one of the top three corners and might have put himself at the top of a lot of lists with his blistering 40 time. Gaines, though, was seen as a potential third-day pick, and his fast time likely doesn't change that. The biggest corner was Utah's Keith McGill (6-3 3/8, 211), who also played safety for the Utes and might end up there in the NFL because he can struggle in coverage. McGill ran a 4.51 40.
17. Andrews struggles
To NFL clubs that place heavier value on college production, Western Kentucky running back Antonio Andrews has to look attractive after leading the NCAA in all-purpose yards for the last two seasons. For those who value combine results more, he doesn't look like such a prize. Andrews ran a 4.82 40-yard dash, one of the worst times at the position. Scouts already were concerned about Andrews' reputation as a fumbler.
18. Short but stout
Pittsburgh DT Aaron Donald has a problem with height: He isn't even 6-1. But he had a tremendous combine, drawing rave reviews from everybody. He ranked among the top defensive line prospects in the 40-yard dash (4.68 -- at 285 pounds!), three-cone drill (7.11 seconds) and bench press (35 reps) and also had a vertical jump of 32 inches and a broad jump of 9 feet, 8 inches. And if you have seen tape on Donald, you know all about his incredible production at Pitt. O'Hara obviously has seen Donald on tape, saying, "I think this kid's already a better pass rusher right now than Ndamukong Suh was when he was coming in."
19. Looks past the 40 on Allen Robinson
Yes, Penn State WR Allen Robinson's 40 time was mediocre -- bad, even -- at 4.60 seconds. But he measured in at almost 6-foot-3 and 220 pounds, had a 39-inch vertical jump, a broad jump of 10 feet, 7 inches and a 20-yard shuttle of 4.0 seconds. Those are good numbers. A good 40 at his pro day, and he will move back into the discussion about whether he is a top-five receiver.
20. Small-school standouts
Two small-school guys who stood out with their athleticism were Saginaw Valley State WR Jeff Janis and Bloomsburg (Pa.) DE Larry Webster. Janis has excellent size (6-3, 219) and ran a 4.42 40; that included a jaw-dropping (but unofficial) 10-yard split of 1.47 (Dri Archer's unofficial split was 1.46). Janis also did 20 reps on the bench press, had a 37.5-inch vertical jump, a 10-3 broad jump and a solid 3.98-second clocking in the 20-yard shuttle. He's not going to make a rookie splash, but as a developmental prospect, he has a high upside. As for Webster (6-6, 252), he played just two seasons of college football after starting for four years at center in basketball. He had 26 sacks in his two seasons, which piqued the interest of a lot of scouts. Their interest was piqued again at the combine: he ran a 4.58 40, had a vertical jump of 36.5 inches, a broad jump of 10-3 and a 20-yard shuttle clocking of 4.4 seconds. He's raw as a football player but he also is a great athlete; as with Janis, he's a guy with a big upside.
21. Hard to overlook
Iowa's C.J. Fiedorowicz is a massive tight end -- 6-5½ and 265 pounds -- and while he ran a 40 time befitting a guy that big (4.76 seconds), he put up some eye-opening numbers in some other events. He was timed in 4.26 seconds in the 20-yard shuttle -- the best among the tight ends who participated in the event and 0.13 seconds better than Florida State WR Kelvin Benjamin -- and had a clocking of 7.10 seconds in the 3-cone drill. That time also was the best of the tight ends who participated in the event and a number that compared favorably with the one put up by speedy Colorado WR Paul Richardson (7.09 seconds). Fiedorowicz is more athletic than people think for a guy his size, but he was inconsistent at Iowa. Was that because of the offense, the quarterbacks throwing to him or simply Fiedorowicz's fault?
22. Hey, look at me
Washington's Bishop Sankey rushed for 1,870 yards and 20 TDs, but too often was an afterthought when it came to discussing the top five backs in the nation. He shouldn't be an afterthought anymore. He ran a better-than-expected 4.49 40-yard dash, did 26 reps on the bench press, had a 35.5-inch vertical jump, a 10-6 broad jump and ran the 20-yard shuttle in 4.0 seconds. That was the fastest clocking of any back who did the drill. It would be a shock if a running back went in the first round, but at some point in the second round, there likely will be the start of a run on running backs and Sankey should be involved in that run.
23. He's a snake
While combine performance results are made public almost instantly, prospects' interviews with NFL clubs are as private as can be. Glimpses are few. Here's one from Alabama WR Kevin Norwood courtesy of Tidesports.com. Norwood was asked if he were an animal, what type would he be?: "I never even thought about it before. I sat there for at least two minutes thinking like, 'OK, I'm dependable. I'm a silent killer,'" he said. "So the closest thing I thought of was a snake, a python. Nobody hears it coming, but when it comes, it's going to kill you."
24. Smart one
Princeton's Caraun Reid, who was among the Senior Bowl's most outstanding performers, acquitted himself well at the combine with a 4.91 40-yard dash as a 302-pound defensive tackle. Given his Ivy League background, we can only assume he blew away the interview process and the Wonderlic test.
25. Long journey
Former SEC freshmen of the year aren't typically underdogs at the combine, but that's the case with Alabama State's Isaiah Crowell. The former Georgia running back was the SEC's top freshman back in 2011, but was dismissed from the team following a firearms charge that was later dropped. He landed at Alabama State, and played well enough there for a combine invite to Indy, where he posted a 4.57 40-yard dash and bench pressed 23 reps, tied for fourth among running backs.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
He had his own issues, but I don't think his effort was questioned much to be a Hall of Famer, so it seems fair game to comment. If he tested for pot and Sapp lectured him about it, that would be hypocritical.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@AlbertBreer: Was told they've started putting a radar gun on the quarterbacks' throws at the combine in Indy. Would be interested to see the results.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@Gil_Brandt: Best velocity, accuracy in 2nd group of QBs. Writing about him tom. RT @raylos3: @Gil_Brandt How is T Savage looking in draft?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@AlbertBreer: Here are the QB radar gun results from the last six combines (Thanks to @TysonNFL for the link): http://t.co/5CzfZrEaOh
