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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (1 Viewer)

I just wonder what the rest of the lockerroom will think when they see the team running off high priced talent.
I think this is the answer:

Eagles have already paid quite a few guys big money this offseason. They're handing out checks for team players.
If this is the message Kelly and Howie are trying to get accross is that they want team players then I'm sure this wont be that big of a shock to the locker room. Some will have a problem with it I'm sure but I dont see this as a situation that would be T.O. type of bad.

 
I just wonder what the rest of the lockerroom will think when they see the team running off high priced talent.
I think this is the answer:

Eagles have already paid quite a few guys big money this offseason. They're handing out checks for team players.
If this is the message Kelly and Howie are trying to get accross is that they want team players then I'm sure this wont be that big of a shock to the locker room. Some will have a problem with it I'm sure but I dont see this as a situation that would be T.O. type of bad.
Point being, they ARE paying people.

 
I haven't really heard any whining by Desean though, just media speculation...
I agree but I think we can put 2 and 2 together. He said he outperformed his deal and I'm sure his agent contacted the Eagles about him outperforming his deal. To what extent is what we don't know.

 
It's interesting though how much that last minute interception of Kitna changes the story though. Eagles won the NFC East in Chip's first year, poised atop the division, etc... It was a very close thing though, the Cowboys were very close to winning that game. Obviously, Eagles DID make the play - but I don't know that I'd put the Eagles as undisputed favorites just yet - only one year ago that the Redskins were the class of the division....

 
It's interesting though how much that last minute interception of Kitna changes the story though. Eagles won the NFC East in Chip's first year, poised atop the division, etc... It was a very close thing though, the Cowboys were very close to winning that game. Obviously, Eagles DID make the play - but I don't know that I'd put the Eagles as undisputed favorites just yet - only one year ago that the Redskins were the class of the division....
Winning a division one year vs. being the "class of the division" are 2 separate things, IMO. It wasn't hard to see the slow moving train crash once RG3 tore his knee up. It wasn't hard to see the Cowboys slowly choking themselves out with various salary cap blunders (restructures, bad contracts, penalties..etc). And its not hard to see the Giants suck when you know their D is shaky. Sure, it was close, but the NFL usually is. Undisputed favorites? Probably not. But I don't see anything that would not them off being odds-on favorites to win the NFCE.

 
babydemon90 said:
I haven't really heard any whining by Desean though, just media speculation...
It really is the most bizarre thing to me. Guy asks to discuss his contract and makes an offhand comment about it to a reporter who asked some kind of leading question and now we have a guy getting the fast track out of town? This is is even more bizarre than TO.

I've been on board with everything Chip and Howie have done to this point but this move feels a lot like Reid and Banner's my way or the highway. It just doesn't make sense to get rid of a guy who's contributing for a couple million. At worst, you let him play this year and then cut or trade him next year AFTER you draft a possible replacement in the 3rd round who gets time to learn the system. If they trade him for a 3rd rounder, they then need to spend at least a 2nd or 1st just to have a suitable player for THIS year to replace him that will be a rookie. Just doesn't seem smart.

 
massraider said:
There was an article on NFL.com quoting Kendricks?, saying Desean was "misunderstood". Awww.

Ain't that something?

The problem with this logic is, all the decent free agent WRs have already signed elsewhere. Putting Jackson on the block now means leaving a big hole in this roster, thus forcing their hand on draft day.

 
I see both sides, but let's be honest. The offense is much better with Jackson's deep speed stretching defenses. I hope he stays.

While he's by no means perfect, the punk he was a few years ago has definitely come a long way.

 
Non essential for a championship. Undeniable.

If they keep him I can't wait to hear from the keep DJax crowd when that punk quits again while making $10mil.

 
Non essential for a championship. Undeniable.

If they keep him I can't wait to hear from the keep DJax crowd when that punk quits again while making $10mil.
And if he doesn't quit? As he's made no indication that he's going to like when he was getting paid $400k in his 4th year after 2, 1000 yard seasons? What will the "Djax's a punk" crowd do?

 
There was an article on NFL.com quoting Kendricks?, saying Desean was "misunderstood". Awww.

Ain't that something?

We're banking on Maclin to be the deep threat when that's not his game and Sproles who is a RB with great skill in the past at working the underneath to replace what Desean does?

 
There was an article on NFL.com quoting Kendricks?, saying Desean was "misunderstood". Awww.

Ain't that something?

As great as any of the WR's coming out may eventually be, they won't be as good as Desean is right now for this coming year.

 
I don't think there's any way he gets traded based on what he's said in public. Has he said stuff in private? Has his agent? We have no clue what's going on behind the scenes.

 
Lotta love for Maclin being the "replacement" of Jackson if he's traded. That's madness. Two blown knees, nowhere the same skill set and if my memory serves me correct, he is at least as guilty as coming up small as Desean. I don't see how not having Jackson for 2014 is a good thing. Just don't see it...

 
Again this MAY make us better in 2015 or 2016 but it doesn't at all make us better for 2014. It's a completely unnecessary move.

 
Again this MAY make us better in 2015 or 2016 but it doesn't at all make us better for 2014. It's a completely unnecessary move.
I think you may have to resign to the fact that something messy went on behind the scenes.
I just don't like this Reid esque feel of getting rid of talented players because the "system makes anybody good." This is the first I've been leary of Chip. They better hope it works out.

 
Again this MAY make us better in 2015 or 2016 but it doesn't at all make us better for 2014. It's a completely unnecessary move.
I think you may have to resign to the fact that something messy went on behind the scenes.
I just don't like this Reid esque feel of getting rid of talented players because the "system makes anybody good." This is the first I've been leary of Chip. They better hope it works out.
It's only because of Andy that you have that feeling. I think Shah did a pretty good job of breaking down Desean's last few years and it seemed pretty evident that Chips offense had a lot to do with his success. Maybe not all, but a lot.

Somewhere in this things got messy. I'm still of the belief that a 2011 episode was threatened and that was it for him. JMO anyway.

 
I remember thinking it was odd that Jeremy Maclin was so open about both he and the Eagles wanting a long term deal done. Riley Cooper was signed for 5 years. DeSean had 3 left on his contract. Why invest in ANOTHER receiver? Because the Eagles knew DeSean would be gone. Why bring in Sproles? Among other reasons, he can play the slot and get snaps at WR.

I would not be surprised to see more 12 and 22 personnel sets this year. Ertz can rotate the slot with Maclin, Cooper, Sproles, and whoever else is brought in. James Casey can get on the field more. I know the idea of subtracting DJax and adding Casey sounds terrible, but if we move the ball and score points, who cares? The run is still the meat and potatoes of this offense.

I don't know about you guys, but I believe in Chip Kelly and if he thinks this is the way to go, then it's the way we go.

 
I remember thinking it was odd that Jeremy Maclin was so open about both he and the Eagles wanting a long term deal done. Riley Cooper was signed for 5 years. DeSean had 3 left on his contract. Why invest in ANOTHER receiver? Because the Eagles knew DeSean would be gone. Why bring in Sproles? Among other reasons, he can play the slot and get snaps at WR.

I would not be surprised to see more 12 and 22 personnel sets this year. Ertz can rotate the slot with Maclin, Cooper, Sproles, and whoever else is brought in. James Casey can get on the field more. I know the idea of subtracting DJax and adding Casey sounds terrible, but if we move the ball and score points, who cares? The run is still the meat and potatoes of this offense.

I don't know about you guys, but I believe in Chip Kelly and if he thinks this is the way to go, then it's the way we go.
I'll believe it when I see it. To me trying to fit a bunch of role players to do what 1 star would because the system reigns supreme sounds a lot like Andy.

 
Again this MAY make us better in 2015 or 2016 but it doesn't at all make us better for 2014. It's a completely unnecessary move.
2015 or 2016 was probably the original plan for the window opening to win a superbowl. We all got shortsighted because the team ended up being competitive. Stick to the plan and be realistic while remaining competitive (I'm looking at you 76'ers). If your original evaluation was that DeSean was expendable, then now isn't the time to overvalue him after a career year. That's how you end up with Vick-like contracts on the books once the player regresses. The Eagles clearly showed that they have no interest in "all-in" type of moves like we're seeing from the Broncos or Patriots. It's time for us to be realistic about that. The team will be built around versatile players with size and intangibles.... and reasonable contracts.

 
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Again this MAY make us better in 2015 or 2016 but it doesn't at all make us better for 2014. It's a completely unnecessary move.
2015 or 2016 was probably the original plan for the window opening to win a superbowl. We all got shortsighted because the team ended up being competitive. Stick to the plan and be realistic while remaining competitive (I'm looking at you 76'ers). If your original evaluation was that DeSean was expendable, then now isn't the time to overvalue him after a career year. That's how you end up with Vick-like contracts on the books once the player regresses. The Eagles clearly showed that they have no interest in "all-in" type of moves like we're seeing from the Broncos or Patriots. It's time for us to be realistic about that. The team will be built around versatile players with size and intangibles.... and reasonable contracts.
Never said give him a new contract. Just don't understand why you get rid of him now when it doesn't make you any better this year. I was sticking to the plan of he was gone next year after they drafted his replacement this year. I'd feel more comfortable with a 2nd year guy that had an understanding of the system than I do throwing a rookie out there and relying on underneath stuff with injury prone veterans.Besides keeping Desean is hardly an all in move. It's a normal move especially when you already have $18mil under the cap with him here.

 
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Any interest in Sanchez now? With Fitz gone, it seems fitting.
I would. I think he can play. Just got in a bad situation up there. He's a more natural backup for Foles than Vick was and some veteran prowess that Barkley doesn't have.

 
@Jeff_McLane: MT @MMehtaNYDN: Could Jets be in hunt for DeSean? Source tells me: "Philly is trading him or cutting him.That's a fact. They don't want him"

 
He HAD to do something. If they're going to cut him they'll be paying 6 million just to go away.
Yes. But what could be so egregious to cut a pro bowl player with no headlines of misconduct?
Pretty much since Howie has been the GM you simply don't see ANY headlines. Chip was off of the map when we looked for a coach. Even our FA signings seem to come out of nowhere. Hell, you don't even hear about FA visits here anymore. This doesn't shock me that we haven't heard anything from them because we haven't for almost 2 years now.

If it's truly at the point where we will pay him 6 million to leave you HAVE to believe it got messy. We are not that inept to just cut someone for no good reason. Given what Desean said once the season ended I think we can put two and two together at this point.

 
He HAD to do something. If they're going to cut him they'll be paying 6 million just to go away.
Yes. But what could be so egregious to cut a pro bowl player with no headlines of misconduct?
Pretty much since Howie has been the GM you simply don't see ANY headlines. Chip was off of the map when we looked for a coach. Even our FA signings seem to come out of nowhere. Hell, you don't even hear about FA visits here anymore. This doesn't shock me that we haven't heard anything from them because we haven't for almost 2 years now. If it's truly at the point where we will pay him 6 million to leave you HAVE to believe it got messy. We are not that inept to just cut someone for no good reason. Given what Desean said once the season ended I think we can put two and two together at this point.
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if this is just a contract dispute. I want to hear he was banging players wives or coaches wives or secretly doing blow or something.

 
He HAD to do something. If they're going to cut him they'll be paying 6 million just to go away.
Yes. But what could be so egregious to cut a pro bowl player with no headlines of misconduct?
Pretty much since Howie has been the GM you simply don't see ANY headlines. Chip was off of the map when we looked for a coach. Even our FA signings seem to come out of nowhere. Hell, you don't even hear about FA visits here anymore. This doesn't shock me that we haven't heard anything from them because we haven't for almost 2 years now. If it's truly at the point where we will pay him 6 million to leave you HAVE to believe it got messy. We are not that inept to just cut someone for no good reason. Given what Desean said once the season ended I think we can put two and two together at this point.
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if this is just a contract dispute. I want to hear he was banging players wives or coaches wives or secretly doing blow or something.
Its about money. "Cutting Jackson would save $6.5 million against the 2014 cap, and perhaps more importantly, shave roughly $11 million off Philly's 2015 salary cap commitments." -Rotoworld

 
He HAD to do something. If they're going to cut him they'll be paying 6 million just to go away.
Yes. But what could be so egregious to cut a pro bowl player with no headlines of misconduct?
Pretty much since Howie has been the GM you simply don't see ANY headlines. Chip was off of the map when we looked for a coach. Even our FA signings seem to come out of nowhere. Hell, you don't even hear about FA visits here anymore. This doesn't shock me that we haven't heard anything from them because we haven't for almost 2 years now.If it's truly at the point where we will pay him 6 million to leave you HAVE to believe it got messy. We are not that inept to just cut someone for no good reason. Given what Desean said once the season ended I think we can put two and two together at this point.
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if this is just a contract dispute. I want to hear he was banging players wives or coaches wives or secretly doing blow or something.
Its about money. "Cutting Jackson would save $6.5 million against the 2014 cap, and perhaps more importantly, shave roughly $11 million off Philly's 2015 salary cap commitments." -Rotoworld
Don't buy that at all. It can't just be about money, as Djax will be making LESS elsewhere next year if he's cut... and we have so much cap room. Something messed up happened or is going on, someone please find out!

 
He HAD to do something. If they're going to cut him they'll be paying 6 million just to go away.
Yes. But what could be so egregious to cut a pro bowl player with no headlines of misconduct?
Pretty much since Howie has been the GM you simply don't see ANY headlines. Chip was off of the map when we looked for a coach. Even our FA signings seem to come out of nowhere. Hell, you don't even hear about FA visits here anymore. This doesn't shock me that we haven't heard anything from them because we haven't for almost 2 years now. If it's truly at the point where we will pay him 6 million to leave you HAVE to believe it got messy. We are not that inept to just cut someone for no good reason. Given what Desean said once the season ended I think we can put two and two together at this point.
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if this is just a contract dispute. I want to hear he was banging players wives or coaches wives or secretly doing blow or something.
Its about money. "Cutting Jackson would save $6.5 million against the 2014 cap, and perhaps more importantly, shave roughly $11 million off Philly's 2015 salary cap commitments." -Rotoworld
I will be really annoyed if that is why they did it. What difference does $18mil or $24.5mil under the cap mean if free agency is done? They still would have got that $11mil next year if they cut him then after using him this year.

 
Only thing that makes sense is 1. He said something behind closed doors that really ruffled feathers. 2. He and Shady would be the only drafted Eagles who are looked in as possible leaders, but also have received 2nd contracts. I just don't think Chip wants a guy in the locker room that guys will look up to for advice/ how to be a pro. It's a pretty young team and he is trying to build a culture his way. Not like they started out on the right foot, chip and Desean that is.

 
Only thing that makes sense is 1. He said something behind closed doors that really ruffled feathers. 2. He and Shady would be the only drafted Eagles who are looked in as possible leaders, but also have received 2nd contracts. I just don't think Chip wants a guy in the locker room that guys will look up to for advice/ how to be a pro. It's a pretty young team and he is trying to build a culture his way. Not like they started out on the right foot, chip and Desean that is.
would highly doubt its #2. Has to be #1.

 
He HAD to do something. If they're going to cut him they'll be paying 6 million just to go away.
Yes. But what could be so egregious to cut a pro bowl player with no headlines of misconduct?
Pretty much since Howie has been the GM you simply don't see ANY headlines. Chip was off of the map when we looked for a coach. Even our FA signings seem to come out of nowhere. Hell, you don't even hear about FA visits here anymore. This doesn't shock me that we haven't heard anything from them because we haven't for almost 2 years now.If it's truly at the point where we will pay him 6 million to leave you HAVE to believe it got messy. We are not that inept to just cut someone for no good reason. Given what Desean said once the season ended I think we can put two and two together at this point.
I'm going to be pretty disappointed if this is just a contract dispute. I want to hear he was banging players wives or coaches wives or secretly doing blow or something.
Its about money. "Cutting Jackson would save $6.5 million against the 2014 cap, and perhaps more importantly, shave roughly $11 million off Philly's 2015 salary cap commitments." -Rotoworld
Don't buy that at all. It can't just be about money, as Djax will be making LESS elsewhere next year if he's cut... and we have so much cap room. Something messed up happened or is going on, someone please find out!
Agree 100%. It had to get messy and involve more money IMO.

Just for a refresher this is what happened just a couple years ago when he wanted more money. If you're Howie and him and his agent come asking for more money you CAN NOT chance this happening.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Has-DeSean-Jackson-quit-on-the-Philadelphia-Eagl?urn=nfl-wp13013

 
Been holding out hope as long as possible, but now I've finally resigned myself to the truth - Jackson will be gone one way or another. So now I want to hear the whole truth, every grimy detail about what went down behind the scenes. Something pretty ugly must have transpired, it can't have been a pure cap math issue.

What I want to understand most of all is, when did the team decide to move on from Jackson? Because if they had been planning to dump him since before free agency began, then the strategy they've employed thus far is utterly bewildering. Why wait for WR-needy teams to spend all their cap dollars before making Jackson available? It's a double whammy - the list of potential trade partners is drastically depleted, and the cupboard is now bare of options to replace Jackson's production. From where I'm sitting, it seems mind-blowingly foolish. And Roseman does not strike me as a fool.

Thus I've got to believe that something happened within the last two weeks that made them sour on Desean. And we better hear all about it, if they expect the fans to keep the faith.

 
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I'm hearing a certain AFC team is starting it kick the tires for desean. No solid offer made though. He said he would be surprised if they got him.

 

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