** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (1 Viewer)

[Bigboy10182000]

I really see them pushing hard to trade 22 and move into the early 2nd when it gets closer to their pick if Pryor, Beckham or Barr are gone. I just dont see Howie being happy with just 6 picks.

If they cant move back, I see them taking Lee.

That was my initial thought but him saying the below kind of made me think otherwise:

@MattLombardo975: Roseman: You want to come away with 3 starters in a draft for it to be deemed a success. We have enough picks to get that. #Eagles

The obvious is that more picks help you reach that goal but he may just stay where he is for the first pick and move the 2 if he doesnt like who's there at that time. IF they do go up it sounds like its for a pass-rusher or a safety

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@MattLombardo975: Mike Mayock: When #Eagles go on the clock, Calvin Pryor may or may not be available but I don't know if he fits what they want to do.

@JimmyKempski: Mayock thinks Eagles are looking for S who can play free or strong. Noted Lamarcus Joyner & Jimmie Ward, both of whom could go in the 2nd rd

@Jeff_McLane: Asked Mike Mayock about #Eagles drafting a safety. He said they could get Ward or Joyner in 2d. Thought Bucannon wasn't as much scheme fit.

@EliotShorrParks: Mike Mayock sees Cody Latimer as a 2nd/3rd round talent. Raved about Bryant from Clemson.....6-5, 4.41 40. #Eagles

@EliotShorrParks: Mayock doesn't see Bucannon as a fit with #Eagles. Team has shown plenty of interest in him.

 

[JetMaxx]

Thanks for posting the info Big!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Thanks for posting the info Big!

No problem!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@mikejurecki: Mayock "Shazier is the prototype 4-3 WLB, if he was going to be a Cardinal, he would have to play the will ILB, I don't think he's a fit."

 

[Insein]

I really see them pushing hard to trade 22 and move into the early 2nd when it gets closer to their pick if Pryor, Beckham or Barr are gone. I just dont see Howie being happy with just 6 picks.

If they cant move back, I see them taking Lee.

That was my initial thought but him saying the below kind of made me think otherwise:

@MattLombardo975: Roseman: You want to come away with 3 starters in a draft for it to be deemed a success. We have enough picks to get that. #Eagles

The obvious is that more picks help you reach that goal but he may just stay where he is for the first pick and move the 2 if he doesnt like who's there at that time. IF they do go up it sounds like its for a pass-rusher or a safety

Just my opinion more than anything. I dont think theres any way they move up. They have their list and if they have 8 or 9 guys still on it who they like, they might try to get back to Jax's 2nd if a qb is still there. Obviously depends on a lot of things. If Manziel falls, I dont see them taking him. I see them auctioning their pick to Hou, Jax et al.

 

[ShaHBucks]

@mikejurecki: Mayock "Shazier is the prototype 4-3 WLB, if he was going to be a Cardinal, he would have to play the will ILB, I don't think he's a fit."

He'd need to bulk up to play ILB in a 3-4 in the NFL. I'm sure he'd still be great there. It sucks knowing the top two players to me, Shazier and Donald, could possibly not even be on our board because of scheme fits.

 

[Awful Waffle]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

 

[JetMaxx]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

 

[CentralPA]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

That.......WILL not happen........but Kiper has to go off the beaten path anyways. Much like everything with ESPN, so overrated.

 

[Insein]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

That.......WILL not happen........but Kiper has to go off the beaten path anyways. Much like everything with ESPN, so overrated.

Actually I think they are following the status quo. Eagles lose top WR therefore they will draft one in the first.

 

[Late225]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

That.......WILL not happen........but Kiper has to go off the beaten path anyways. Much like everything with ESPN, so overrated.

Actually I think they are following the status quo. Eagles lose top WR therefore they will draft one in the first.

He had to scroll down the ranked available receivers to get to him. He was the 6th highest rated receiver on the Espn board when picked.

Bill Polian, a few minutes later, said that he was his favorite wide receiver in the draft. I assumed he was a definite 2nd rounder that may still be there at 54.

 

[CentralPA]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

That.......WILL not happen........but Kiper has to go off the beaten path anyways. Much like everything with ESPN, so overrated.

Actually I think they are following the status quo. Eagles lose top WR therefore they will draft one in the first.

Don't get me wrong. I like Matthews. He's a solid all around WR but there isn't anything that stands out. He'd be a great No. 2 WR and I think he is in the same pack as Adams, Montcrief, etc. I'd take Latimer at 22 before I took Matthews (and Latimer shouldn't be drafted at 22 either)

I just think there would be more highly rated players on the Eagles draft board than Matthews at 22 (i.e. Fuller and Barr). This would be a need pick, not BPA. Wouldn't make any sense.

 

[CentralPA]

I don't particularly think Gonzo is a very good sportswriter but he had an interesting take on Howie's sit down with the media yesterday and the DeSean Jackson cut.

(....yeah I know, )

Forget about the careful spin. Forget what the Eagles said earlier this week about it being a football decision. For a better explanation of why the Eagles broke up with DeSean Jackson, consider Howie Roseman’s recent remarks.

The football decision stuff was nonsense. Or, if it wasn’t, it was a bad and indefensible football decision because Jackson went for 1,332 yards last season (second most in franchise history). No, cutting him and calling it a football decision was premeditated propaganda -- a transparent, if expected, talking point.

If you’re still looking for more understandable and justifiable motivations behind the move, there seem to be two. One is money. Jackson was set to make a lot of it this season -- more than $10 million. By releasing him, the Eagles reduced their cap hit in 2014 to a more manageable $6 million. They also saved themselves more than $30 million over the next three seasons. That’s not nothing. The other reason is something Roseman mentioned when he met with the media at the NovaCare Complex on Thursday.

The gathering was held to discuss the upcoming draft and the organization’s approach, but the discussion -- which lasted almost an hour -- took several tangential turns. Roseman was asked about the team’s philosophy on evaluating a prospective player’s personality and how he might fit into the Eagles’ dynamic. His response was interesting.

“Culture is really important to us,” Roseman said. “Culture and chemistry is a huge part of building a football team. When you talk about 53 guys trying to come together, which I thought we saw toward the end of last year and the second half of last year, you’re talking about people with diverse backgrounds from different parts of the country and they’re all trying to fit together.

"Getting that chemistry -- this is the one sport where one guy is not going to make the difference. You need to have a team. It’s very important to us when we talk about guys, having the right fit here in our building.”

As messages go, it couldn’t have been more obvious if Roseman had it delivered in a FedEx box …one guy is not going to make the difference. If you enjoy reading between the lines, there were plenty of others to separate and review.

“I look at it that, our players look at us when we bring in draft picks,” Roseman continued. “They look at who we put in front of that podium. If that guy is not a fit for us, that’s my responsibility. They’re going to look at me and say, ‘We have a good thing going here. We have good chemistry. We have a good culture. Why would we ruin that by bringing in someone who doesn’t fit?’”

Roseman never mentioned Jackson by name. He didn’t have to. The implication was tacit but clear. Even so, sportswriters are sportswriters and we have a way of pressing an issue even when that issue has just been addressed with carefully chosen language. And so the follow-up to all that was whether, when looking at matters of chemistry, wide receivers tend to be “divas” -- that was the word the reporter used -- compared to other players. The reporter said he was asking in general terms and not about any specific person.

Everyone had a good laugh. The guy asking the question laughed. The rest of the room laughed. It was a big charade.

“I haven’t done a study looking at personalities of each position,” Roseman replied.

Money and chemistry. The first is easier to quantify and qualify than the latter, but both played a part in the Eagles jettisoning Jackson. Roseman didn’t need to admit it overtly. And he wasn’t alone in hinting that maybe Jackson didn’t quite fit any longer.

Look at what some of the Eagles said when Jackson got cut. And, just as important, look at what they didn’t say. Jeremy Maclin said the Eagles will be fine without Jackson. Brandon Boykin didn’t seem too broken up about it. Even LeSean McCoy, a Jackson confidant, said he trusts Chip Kelly and added “the front office obviously knows what they’re doing.” The lack of outrage from the players was so pronounced that former Eagle and Redskin Brian Mitchell wondered aloud why Jackson’s teammates didn’t back him. The warmest farewell came from Nick Foles, who gave his usual, sanitized golly-gee take. That was it. And that was telling.

Whether you believe the stories about Jackson’s off-field associations had anything to do with his dismissal, it’s evident that the Eagles reached a point where they didn’t see a long-term future with the wide receiver. That’s interesting, if only because, at one time, they thought enough about Jackson’s potential to draft him. But somewhere along the way, for various reasons, the thinking changed. Here, again, Roseman’s comments on potential draft picks is instructive.

“When are these guys going to develop?” Roseman asked rhetorically. “When are they going to grow up? When are they going to realize, ‘This is my job, this is my livelihood, this is a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, I’m going to do whatever it takes?’ I don’t know. There’s no insurance for that.”

No. But there’s recourse.

 

[Late225]

I'm watching this Kiper/McShay live mock because I'm bored. Kiper had Eagles pass on Anthony Barr and Kyle Fuller to take... Jordan Matthews. What a ####### idiot.

They so had Davante Adams selected 2 or 3 picks after.

 

[Ash]

Draft Prediction: I think we're going to draft 2 WRs. One early, first or second round, and one later one 5th or 7th (or 6th if we pick up an extra pick). Here's my rational; Maclin may not be back next year, it's probably no better than 50/50. He's on a one year deal this year because he and the team disagreed on his long term value, given the kind of season I expect him to have (70/900/6 is my prediction) I don't see the team's offer increasing drastically. I'm sure they were offering him something in line with that kind of production, and I don't see him blowing up this year with huge numbers. He may well decide he'd be better off moving on, and the team needs to prepare for that.

Secondly, given the incredible depth at the position this year, coming back again late might get you a guy who would have gone 2 rounds earlier in another year. I think it's the smart long term play to take advantage of that depth while it's there.

There just doesn't seem to be more than a handful of strong pass rushers and even fewer good targets at S. If somebody like Barr doesn't fall, in the 1st it's possible the second tier (Marcus Smith, Attachou, etc) might be gone by our 2nd round pick, and I don't like Trent Murphy much as an OLB. There's not much else there until you get to the real flyers late.

Also think we'll get an O or D lineman or two in the mid rounds as well.

 

[JetMaxx]

The prospect of another year of watching opposing QBs having 4 seconds to throw is utterly enthralling. Sarcasm aside, if it were to play out that way, to have the #1 offseason need go unaddressed is terribly irresponsible personnel management.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

The prospect of another year of watching opposing QBs having 4 seconds to throw is utterly enthralling. Sarcasm aside, if it were to play out that way, to have the #1 offseason need go unaddressed is terribly irresponsible personnel management.

In all honesty, who was out there? EVERYONE was looking for a stud pass rusher, and even over the hill guys like Peppers were going for a premium. The draft won't help much either as there's a lack of quality at DE/OLB. Their best hope is to trade up to get Barr, but do you want to deal the extra picks to do so? I might, but only if it costs a third or so. CHI seems prime for a deal if Donald or HaHa doesn't drop. I really don't think they reach for Pryor at 14. PIT seems like a candidate as well if Beckham is off the board. Do you want to deal with the Devil at 16? Gut feeling is that Barr will fall to around the mid first, but his value has been all over in the ten or so mocks I looked at this weekend.

 

[Billy Bats]

From Peter King MMQB:

No. 22, Philadelphia. Keep hearing they want in on the prime receiver action, and the receiver they want could be LSUs Odell Beckham, who can play outside, inside in the slot and as a returner. But the Eagles would have to trade up, and GM Howie Roseman is doing his due diligence, talking to at least two teams in the mid-round neighborhood when Beckham would likely go. But the cost could be too rich for the Eagles blood. They may have to settle for Marqise Lee, who would be some consolation prize.

 

[CentralPA]

The prospect of another year of watching opposing QBs having 4 seconds to throw is utterly enthralling. Sarcasm aside, if it were to play out that way, to have the #1 offseason need go unaddressed is terribly irresponsible personnel management.

Well.....things just may not go that way. The 3-4 OLB is unfortunately pretty thin in this draft class. You could draft 4-3 DE and try to convert him but that is pretty risky. Hopefully they get lucky and can nab Attuochi (sp?) or Marcus Smith in the 2nd or 3rd.

 

[CentralPA]

From Peter King MMQB:

No. 22, Philadelphia. Keep hearing they want in on the prime receiver action, and the receiver they want could be LSUs Odell Beckham, who can play outside, inside in the slot and as a returner. But the Eagles would have to trade up, and GM Howie Roseman is doing his due diligence, talking to at least two teams in the mid-round neighborhood when Beckham would likely go. But the cost could be too rich for the Eagles blood. They may have to settle for Marqise Lee, who would be some consolation prize.

Only two guys i'd consider trading up for are Watkins and Evans. I love ODB but I think they could trade back and possibly get Latimer who is about the same WR.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The prospect of another year of watching opposing QBs having 4 seconds to throw is utterly enthralling. Sarcasm aside, if it were to play out that way, to have the #1 offseason need go unaddressed is terribly irresponsible personnel management.

In all honesty, who was out there? EVERYONE was looking for a stud pass rusher, and even over the hill guys like Peppers were going for a premium. The draft won't help much either as there's a lack of quality at DE/OLB. Their best hope is to trade up to get Barr, but do you want to deal the extra picks to do so? I might, but only if it costs a third or so. CHI seems prime for a deal if Donald or HaHa doesn't drop. I really don't think they reach for Pryor at 14. PIT seems like a candidate as well if Beckham is off the board. Do you want to deal with the Devil at 16? Gut feeling is that Barr will fall to around the mid first, but his value has been all over in the ten or so mocks I looked at this weekend.

Regarding Barr-- Its reasons like this that I see him going top 12. Some one will pay to go get that pass-rusher. I also see a lot of OL going early too, more then others expect...it seems to hapen every year

 

[unckeyherb]

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/05/05/eagles-sign-army-ranger-alejandro-villanueva/

 

[JetMaxx]

The prospect of another year of watching opposing QBs having 4 seconds to throw is utterly enthralling. Sarcasm aside, if it were to play out that way, to have the #1 offseason need go unaddressed is terribly irresponsible personnel management.

In all honesty, who was out there? EVERYONE was looking for a stud pass rusher, and even over the hill guys like Peppers were going for a premium. The draft won't help much either as there's a lack of quality at DE/OLB. Their best hope is to trade up to get Barr, but do you want to deal the extra picks to do so? I might, but only if it costs a third or so. CHI seems prime for a deal if Donald or HaHa doesn't drop. I really don't think they reach for Pryor at 14. PIT seems like a candidate as well if Beckham is off the board. Do you want to deal with the Devil at 16? Gut feeling is that Barr will fall to around the mid first, but his value has been all over in the ten or so mocks I looked at this weekend.

Agree that options were limited for pass rush OLB. As far as the draft goes, Mack is impossible. I would love Barr at 22 but wouldn't trade up for him because their picks are limited already. I'd rather trade down, secure more selections and then perhaps double down on a Ford/Lawrence/Van Noy/Smith/Attoacho combination. Out of who realistically could be there, if Barr, HaHa, ODB, Fuller are gone, there is no one left that has the value that additional picks hold.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I actually don't see us grabbing a CB at #22 at all. Having Fletcher, Williams, Carrol and Boykin should be enough this season if the pass-rush gets a bit better. If any CB I think they take a stab at McGill, Desir or Baptiste in round 3-4

 

[Awful Waffle]

Matt Miller did a 7 round mock. I think I like him more than most people, but I hated his draft for the Eagles

1) Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn

2) Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

3) Ahmad Dixon, S, Baylor

4) Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman

5) Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida

7) Bruce Gaston, DT, Purdue

He mentioned Ford being similar to Graham and Cole, but Kelly didn't draft either of them. If Chip can trade Graham for anything, I think he will. And Cole's in his last year here. I like Landry but round 2 is too early for him. I haven't heard anything good about Dixon. Dozier is a good pick. Purifoy had an awful combine (which is especially bad for guys known for their athleticism) plus he has off the field issues. No clue about Gaston. I'd be very annoyed if that's how the draft went for them.

Going by his mock, and guys who went after the Eagles picks, I'd want this:

1) Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

2) Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech OR Demarcus Lawrence, OLB, Boise State

3) Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming

4) Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson

5) Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA

7) Gabe Ikard, C, Oklahoma

You get the best corner in the draft who doesn't have to play right away, a pass rusher with upside, a speedy slot receiver, a 1st/2nd round guard for the future (tore his ACL during a workout so he'll redshirt this year), a thumper at ILB who had to be told not to hit guys at the Senior Bowl, and a really athletic center who could back up Kelce.

 

[Ash]

Matt Miller did a 7 round mock. I think I like him more than most people, but I hated his draft for the Eagles

1) Dee Ford, OLB, Auburn

2) Jarvis Landry, WR, LSU

3) Ahmad Dixon, S, Baylor

4) Dakota Dozier, OG, Furman

5) Loucheiz Purifoy, CB, Florida

7) Bruce Gaston, DT, Purdue

He mentioned Ford being similar to Graham and Cole, but Kelly didn't draft either of them. If Chip can trade Graham for anything, I think he will. And Cole's in his last year here. I like Landry but round 2 is too early for him. I haven't heard anything good about Dixon. Dozier is a good pick. Purifoy had an awful combine (which is especially bad for guys known for their athleticism) plus he has off the field issues. No clue about Gaston. I'd be very annoyed if that's how the draft went for them.

Going by his mock, and guys who went after the Eagles picks, I'd want this:

1) Kyle Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech

2) Jeremiah Attaochu, OLB, Georgia Tech OR Demarcus Lawrence, OLB, Boise State

3) Robert Herron, WR, Wyoming

4) Brandon Thomas, OG, Clemson

5) Jordan Zumwalt, ILB, UCLA

7) Gabe Ikard, C, Oklahoma

You get the best corner in the draft who doesn't have to play right away, a pass rusher with upside, a speedy slot receiver, a 1st/2nd round guard for the future (tore his ACL during a workout so he'll redshirt this year), a thumper at ILB who had to be told not to hit guys at the Senior Bowl, and a really athletic center who could back up Kelce.

I like your picks much better.

 

[Ash]

The prospect of another year of watching opposing QBs having 4 seconds to throw is utterly enthralling. Sarcasm aside, if it were to play out that way, to have the #1 offseason need go unaddressed is terribly irresponsible personnel management.

What do you do though, the players just aren't there. There wasn't one single established 3-4 OLB Available in FA. Not one. The pass rush talent drops off real quick in the draft as well. I'd rather leave that for this year if the right players aren't there than be cutting the OLB versions of stiffs like Watkins and Jarrett two years from now.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

FWIW...Reports are that we had conversation with Pittsburgh about their #15 pick. Peter King thinks it would be for Beckham and others say Barr.

 

[CentralPA]

FWIW...Reports are that we had conversation with Pittsburgh about their #15 pick. Peter King thinks it would be for Beckham and others say Barr.

His mock has us trading away our 1st and 2nd round picks to move up for Beckham, I think that would be too much.

 

[Late225]

FWIW...Reports are that we had conversation with Pittsburgh about their #15 pick. Peter King thinks it would be for Beckham and others say Barr.

I hope the Dion Jordan trade is still on the table. I haven't heard anything about it over the last few days. Maybe either the Dolphins cave for the 2nd and Graham or we cave and give up a first and Graham for Jordan.

 

[Insein]

FWIW...Reports are that we had conversation with Pittsburgh about their #15 pick. Peter King thinks it would be for Beckham and others say Barr.

I hope the Dion Jordan trade is still on the table. I haven't heard anything about it over the last few days. Maybe either the Dolphins cave for the 2nd and Graham or we cave and give up a first and Graham for Jordan.

2nd and graham for Dion and I'd be ecstatic. I still think trading back to Houston or Jax if Teddy Bridgewater is still there would be the best bet for our first rounder.

 

[unckeyherb]

Lots of chatter on Fanatic about the Birds trading up to grab Manziel if he drops.

ETA: No basis in reality, but seems a lot of people would be okay with that..

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Lots of chatter on Fanatic about the Birds trading up to grab Manziel if he drops.

ETA: No basis in reality, but seems a lot of people would be okay with that..

I hope we have a chance to pick him and pass. I have never called a radio station but I would if that happened.

 

[Amused to Death]

Lots of chatter on Fanatic about the Birds trading up to grab Manziel if he drops.

ETA: No basis in reality, but seems a lot of people would be okay with that..

I think at least part of that has to do with a certain show host that won't admit Foles can co-exist with Kelly.

 

[unckeyherb]

Lots of chatter on Fanatic about the Birds trading up to grab Manziel if he drops.

ETA: No basis in reality, but seems a lot of people would be okay with that..

I think at least part of that has to do with a certain show host that won't admit Foles can co-exist with Kelly.

Its on John & Sean, not on Mikey Miss, though I'd agree with your sentiment.

On the actual thought of taking Manziel, I'd almost certainly throw my beer through my TV on Thursday if that happened.

 

[Insein]

Lots of chatter on Fanatic about the Birds trading up to grab Manziel if he drops.

ETA: No basis in reality, but seems a lot of people would be okay with that..

I think at least part of that has to do with a certain show host that won't admit Foles can co-exist with Kelly.

Its on John & Sean, not on Mikey Miss, though I'd agree with your sentiment. On the actual thought of taking Manziel, I'd almost certainly throw my beer through my TV on Thursday if that happened.

It's a topic because it's a talk radio stations wet dream. They even said, if he's drafted all you'd have to do to start a show for the next 10 years is say "Johnny Manziel, thoughts?"

 

[CentralPA]

Lots of chatter on Fanatic about the Birds trading up to grab Manziel if he drops.

ETA: No basis in reality, but seems a lot of people would be okay with that..

I think at least part of that has to do with a certain show host that won't admit Foles can co-exist with Kelly.

Its on John & Sean, not on Mikey Miss, though I'd agree with your sentiment.

On the actual thought of taking Manziel, I'd almost certainly throw my beer through my TV on Thursday if that happened.

I'd probably drive my car through a park full of kids if this happened.

 

[Billy Bats]

This is what kicked up the Manziel rumors today:

http://www.buckeyestatesports.com/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-could-the-cleveland-browns-and-philadelphia-eagles-swap-nick-foles-for-johnny-manziel/

 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

This is what kicked up the Manziel rumors today:

http://www.buckeyestatesports.com/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-could-the-cleveland-browns-and-philadelphia-eagles-swap-nick-foles-for-johnny-manziel/

2014 NFL Draft Rumors: Could the Cleveland Browns and Philadelphia Eagles Swap Nick Foles for Johnny Manziel?

[FTA]

From that point, if the Eagles are truly smitten with Manziel, they would obviously be open to moving Foles. If they value Foles at a late-first to early-second round value, they could entice the Browns with a package that includes the No. 22 pick, the No. 54 pick (second round) and Foles to go up to No. 4 and land Manziel if he is there when the Browns are on the clock on Thursday night.

I wouldn't trade away Foles for the 1.4 straight up, whether Manziel was on the board or not.

The thought that the Birds would need to add their first- and second-round picks to make this hypothetical "deal" happen is ridiculous. If it actually went down this way, I'm not sure what I'd do, but it might very well involve napalm.

 

[Amused to Death]

This is what kicked up the Manziel rumors today:

http://www.buckeyestatesports.com/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-could-the-cleveland-browns-and-philadelphia-eagles-swap-nick-foles-for-johnny-manziel/

From the link:

From that point, if the Eagles are truly smitten with Manziel, they would obviously be open to moving Foles. If they value Foles at a late-first to early-second round value, they could entice the Browns with a package that includes the No. 22 pick, the No. 54 pick (second round) and Foles to go up to No. 4 and land Manziel if he is there when the Browns are on the clock on Thursday night.

So now the question goes out to all of you who are reading this—who says no to that deal?

I say no to that deal. Foles plus 22 & 54?! To draft Manziel and hope he's as good as Foles? No thank you. Man I can't wait till this crap is over.

 

[Insein]

This is what kicked up the Manziel rumors today:

http://www.buckeyestatesports.com/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-could-the-cleveland-browns-and-philadelphia-eagles-swap-nick-foles-for-johnny-manziel/

From the link:

From that point, if the Eagles are truly smitten with Manziel, they would obviously be open to moving Foles. If they value Foles at a late-first to early-second round value, they could entice the Browns with a package that includes the No. 22 pick, the No. 54 pick (second round) and Foles to go up to No. 4 and land Manziel if he is there when the Browns are on the clock on Thursday night.

So now the question goes out to all of you who are reading thiswho says no to that deal?





I say no to that deal. Foles plus 22 & 54?! To draft Manziel and hope he's as good as Foles? No thank you. Man I can't wait till this crap is over.

Amen to that. This draft is taking forever.

 

[Late225]

This is what kicked up the Manziel rumors today:

http://www.buckeyestatesports.com/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-could-the-cleveland-browns-and-philadelphia-eagles-swap-nick-foles-for-johnny-manziel/

From the link:

From that point, if the Eagles are truly smitten with Manziel, they would obviously be open to moving Foles. If they value Foles at a late-first to early-second round value, they could entice the Browns with a package that includes the No. 22 pick, the No. 54 pick (second round) and Foles to go up to No. 4 and land Manziel if he is there when the Browns are on the clock on Thursday night.

So now the question goes out to all of you who are reading thiswho says no to that deal?





I say no to that deal. Foles plus 22 & 54?! To draft Manziel and hope he's as good as Foles? No thank you. Man I can't wait till this crap is over.

Amen to that. This draft is taking forever.

Only way I consider a Foles trade is if we get a haul like the Rams for multiple first round picks. I'd still probably decline. I see no reason why Foles can't be a top 5 quarterback in this league when the big guys retire in a few years.

 

[Billy Bats]

No doubt that's a huge overpayment for someone not to be the next Elway/Marino etc. and when we have a suitable starting QB.

This is the quote that scares me

Hearing rumblings of a potential draft day trade that could blow the top off of the draft involving the QB position.

Hopefully it's Jerry Jones doing something stupid to set them back another 10 years and not us.

 

[Buddy Ball 2K3]

This is what kicked up the Manziel rumors today:http://www.buckeyestatesports.com/2014-nfl-draft-rumors-could-the-cleveland-browns-and-philadelphia-eagles-swap-nick-foles-for-johnny-manziel/

2014 NFL Draft Rumors: Could the Cleveland Browns and Philadelphia Eagles Swap Nick Foles for Johnny Manziel?

[FTA]

From that point, if the Eagles are truly smitten with Manziel, they would obviously be open to moving Foles. If they value Foles at a late-first to early-second round value, they could entice the Browns with a package that includes the No. 22 pick, the No. 54 pick (second round) and Foles to go up to No. 4 and land Manziel if he is there when the Browns are on the clock on Thursday night.

I wouldn't trade away Foles for the 1.4 straight up, whether Manziel was on the board or not.

The thought that the Birds would need to add their first- and second-round picks to make this hypothetical "deal" happen is ridiculous. If it actually went down this way, I'm not sure what I'd do, but it might very well involve napalm.

This deal makes me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

If they honestly thought manziel was better, and they straight up dealt foles,I wouldn't like it, but I could deal. To also throw in their first and second? !? I would literally throw up.

 

[Billy Bats]

Sal Pal was on air throwing around that the Eagles are burning up the phone lines, trying everything to move up to get.....

Mike Evans.

 

[unckeyherb]

Sal Pal was on air throwing around the Eagles are burning up the phone lines, trying to move up to get

Mike Evans.

 

[unckeyherb]

I could get behind a move to do that

 

[Ash]

No doubt that's a huge overpayment for someone not to be the next Elway/Marino etc. and when we have a suitable starting QB.

This is the quote that scares me

Hearing rumblings of a potential draft day trade that could blow the top off of the draft involving the QB position.

Hopefully it's Jerry Jones doing something stupid to set them back another 10 years and not us.

To be fair to the Eagles, it's much more like Jerruh to make a cockup like this, especially when they're stuck with a massive cap values for Romo for the next few years.

Of all top 4 QBs I think Manziel is the most likely to be a total bust. Guy plays like Atlanta era Mike Vick but without the speed or the arm strength. He'll find it much harder to run away from NFL rushers. The whole "Johnny Football" nickname thing and his various other stuff just makes him seem like a punk as well. Over the last couple of years I've come to think that if you're going to have your QB run he needs to have Newton/Culpepper size. Smaller guys just don't hold up physically. His playing style looks more like a path to injuries and turnovers than success.

I honestly don't get the appeal with him. I'd be pissed off if the Eagles drafted him, let alone gave up anything else to do it.