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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (1 Viewer)

I have to say that if Djax goes to Washington I'm going to be annoyed with the way this was handled. Especially since it seems more and more likely that the smoking gun is just not there. If there was a pending criminal investigation or suspension coming, other teams would be leery.

Shah and ctsu may be right after all and this was just a money move. If that's the case, how could they completely botch their position to the point that they are just cutting a pro bowl wide out after his best season? No one even offered a 7th for him? And all that bull#### about we couldn't in good conscience trade him to another team after that story broke is just them covering their ### from criticism.

The reason its an issue for me is this reeks of the Andy way of its my system and anyone will be good in it or we don't need stars just moderately priced cogs in he machine.

They don't have to say a thing but you better believe training camp will be a barage of questions if he signs with Washington with no problems caused by desean.

 
Hate that he will improve someone in the division but he was paid too much and would be cut next year for sure and wasn't in the future plans. If Foles is the guy he has a nice extension coming his way that will have to come from somewhere.

Maybe there's still a chance he hits the jaccpot w the Raiders to get closer to his homies.

 
Of the receivers in the draft that will be around in the range of our 1st 2 picks who do you like? I haven't watched any of them but Benjamin and Mathews seem intriguing.

 
I'm as concerned about him going to Washington as I was when we traded McNabb there. It really doesn't bother me at all.
If as reported he blew off the HC on the exit interview immediately after requesting a reneg on a due $10.25mil then I say see ya...he's a long threat supreme but offers little else and will drop off quickly with his work ethic. Can't wait to watch him join the leader devoid/RG3 led offense huddle in WAS.

 
ya, there was very little chance he was around next year. How much cap space can they carry over to next year? Maybe some of this is to get cap space for next year when they need to extend some key players? We certainly had too much $$ tied up in him

 
I have to say that if Djax goes to Washington I'm going to be annoyed with the way this was handled. Especially since it seems more and more likely that the smoking gun is just not there. If there was a pending criminal investigation or suspension coming, other teams would be leery.

Shah and ctsu may be right after all and this was just a money move. If that's the case, how could they completely botch their position to the point that they are just cutting a pro bowl wide out after his best season? No one even offered a 7th for him? And all that bull#### about we couldn't in good conscience trade him to another team after that story broke is just them covering their ### from criticism.

The reason its an issue for me is this reeks of the Andy way of its my system and anyone will be good in it or we don't need stars just moderately priced cogs in he machine.

They don't have to say a thing but you better believe training camp will be a barage of questions if he signs with Washington with no problems caused by desean.
http://mobile.philly.com/sports/?wss=/philly/sports&id=253133631One of my friends sent me that article. He also said he lost respect for them and he was reminded that it's a business. If it's true that this was a business move, even I'm not a fan of how they went about what best for the team at the expense of DeSean's name. He wasn't much of a 'gang banger' when he was getting concussions for the team. We're all left wondering if all of this happened the way it did just to save face and not upset the fan base. I have to believe that the Eagles have the power to shut down an article from a local source if it mattered to their bottom line. That bothers me too.

Something has to give. If you believe in building an offense around the OL, TE, and QB, like NE for example, then you have to believe WR/RB are expendable. Andy just so happened to draft bums at the positions he felt wasn't as important to wins and losses. We have to wait and see if they know what they are doing or are just being reckless. I'm willing to reserve judgement until after the draft at least. We know who Desean was/is on the field. To me, he was like buying a Pepsi for 5$ at Disney World. You know it's not worth the price, but at the moment you also want to cool down and quench your thirst. You also have the option of just getting a drink later. If they draft the wrong player(s) then you should have just paid for the dam Pepsi to meet your need. So we'll see. It's not like we have a game this Sunday.

 
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If there's any real evidence of any actual wrongdoing by DeSean, rather than just knowing the wrong people, then it will likely start to leak from "sources close to the team" after he signs somewhere. Especially if it's the Skins, as they'll have some major damage control to do.

If Jackson keeps on trucking for another 3-4 years in the league, with no major off field issues then I think the Eagles look worse and worse. If it was purely financial I still believe they should have replaced him first then released him in another year or two, once they know they have somebody who can step in. Right now I don't see why a D would put somebody more than 8 yards off the LoS against us.

I think McCoy has already sent Howie & Chip an email that says just this:

#### you guys.
If Jackson signs with the Skins, Bill Davis will send one too.

 
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Sounds like a done deal that Desean will be in Washington. Hate to wish bad things on a player but man I hope he sucks and crashes and burns. Let's all pray for a McNabb 2.0

 
I think Dijon in DC will be a mess even if no more dirt comes out on his gang affiliations. His production at least somewhat last year was boosted by Maclin being off the field. He'll end up open deep in Washington a few times not unlike Aldrick Robinson but I think his salary and baggage are great reasons for Philly to move on and let the skins try to make it work.

 
I could see DeSean having a productive year but the Redskins not being any better than 8-8. That team has major holes on D and the offensive line (I think). It sucks, and I still don't get why they released him other than maybe cap room for a long term deal with Foles. But Kelly hasn't given me any reason to doubt him yet.

 
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The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.

 
The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.
I just can't get behind something like this. I'm sure NFL teams spend a ton of time, money and man hours into knowing who their players are. As time wears on the facts get blurred and before you know it D-Jax will be a victim. If you dont believe a billon dollar copmpany does their homework on a guy than factor in that they couldnt move him for any pick...I know some will mention the money but not a single report came out saying we even had a taker. He could have also re-done his deal and didnt. We also took a 6 million dollar cap hit to get rid of him. We also know that he seemed to be a jerkoff in the locker room and as a person. And he was making 10+ million per year. How complete of a WR is he?

There was a ton of reasons why he was cut.

We made him what he is...and we get to listen to and read glorious reports in the papper and talk radio about how bad it is that we have to see him 2x per year while Skins fans rejoice....Getting the sense like you've seen this before? McNabb and Trotter worked out so well for them. This will be the same. They have a #1 WR, they wont cater to Desean. By week 10 he's a problem (if its a multiyear deal**) and then we'll all be reminded of why we got rid of him.

**If he gets more per year this year than Garcon I push the problem date up to week 5

 
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If the Chiefs, Panthers & Jets (all have coaches with prior experience with DJax) are not interested that's a good enough signal for me that they did the right thing. It would have been great to get something for him but when the obvious teams in need take a pass, its hard to trade a $10 million a year player.

 
The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.
I just can't get behind something like this. I'm sure NFL teams spend a ton of time, money and man hours into knowing who their players are. As time wears on the facts get blurred and before you know it D-Jax will be a victim. If you dont believe a billon dollar copmpany does their homework on a guy than factor in that they couldnt move him for any pick...I know some will mention the money but not a single report came out saying we even had a taker. He could have also re-done his deal and didnt. We also took a 6 million dollar cap hit to get rid of him. We also know that he seemed to be a jerkoff in the locker room and as a person. And he was making 10+ million per year. How complete of a WR is he?

There was a ton of reasons why he was cut.

We made him what he is...and we get to listen to and read glorious reports in the papper and talk radio about how bad it is that we have to see him 2x per year while Skins fans rejoice....Getting the sense like you've seen this before? McNabb and Trotter worked out so well for them. This will be the same. They have a #1 WR, they wont cater to Desean. By week 10 he's a problem (if its a multiyear deal**) and then we'll all be reminded of why we got rid of him.

**If he gets more per year this year than Garcon I push the problem date up to week 5
One of the key things Desean supposedly lacked was motivation. You don't think he's going to be more motivated than he ever has after being "dissed" by a now division rival? I hate to go against a motivated Desean.

I just can't understand how they botched their own position. They want him gone. Fine. They were so worried about how they'd look with the fans that they put out all of this material through "sources" to justify releasing him if it came to that. At the same time, they made it clear that they had no leverage with a trade. A team wouldn't even give a 7th rounder to have Desean for a year because they knew the eagles were going to release him.

Its over now and I do believe going forward it will be for the best but I won't understand how you can't make it work for a year while you get a rookie up to speed or at least get anything for a pro bowl wr who had 82-1330-9.

 
The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.
I just can't get behind something like this. I'm sure NFL teams spend a ton of time, money and man hours into knowing who their players are. As time wears on the facts get blurred and before you know it D-Jax will be a victim. If you dont believe a billon dollar copmpany does their homework on a guy than factor in that they couldnt move him for any pick...I know some will mention the money but not a single report came out saying we even had a taker. He could have also re-done his deal and didnt. We also took a 6 million dollar cap hit to get rid of him. We also know that he seemed to be a jerkoff in the locker room and as a person. And he was making 10+ million per year. How complete of a WR is he?

There was a ton of reasons why he was cut.

We made him what he is...and we get to listen to and read glorious reports in the papper and talk radio about how bad it is that we have to see him 2x per year while Skins fans rejoice....Getting the sense like you've seen this before? McNabb and Trotter worked out so well for them. This will be the same. They have a #1 WR, they wont cater to Desean. By week 10 he's a problem (if its a multiyear deal**) and then we'll all be reminded of why we got rid of him.

**If he gets more per year this year than Garcon I push the problem date up to week 5
One of the key things Desean supposedly lacked was motivation. You don't think he's going to be more motivated than he ever has after being "dissed" by a now division rival? I hate to go against a motivated Desean.

I just can't understand how they botched their own position. They want him gone. Fine. They were so worried about how they'd look with the fans that they put out all of this material through "sources" to justify releasing him if it came to that. At the same time, they made it clear that they had no leverage with a trade. A team wouldn't even give a 7th rounder to have Desean for a year because they knew the eagles were going to release him.

Its over now and I do believe going forward it will be for the best but I won't understand how you can't make it work for a year while you get a rookie up to speed or at least get anything for a pro bowl wr who had 82-1330-9.
Clearly the Eagles believe he is a cancer in the locker room (and so do teams with prior Eagles coaches). IMO the last thing you want is one of the best players on your team being a malcontent, undermining a 2nd year coach and having that sort of negative impact on one of the younger teams in the NFL.

 
The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.
I just can't get behind something like this. I'm sure NFL teams spend a ton of time, money and man hours into knowing who their players are. As time wears on the facts get blurred and before you know it D-Jax will be a victim. If you dont believe a billon dollar copmpany does their homework on a guy than factor in that they couldnt move him for any pick...I know some will mention the money but not a single report came out saying we even had a taker. He could have also re-done his deal and didnt. We also took a 6 million dollar cap hit to get rid of him. We also know that he seemed to be a jerkoff in the locker room and as a person. And he was making 10+ million per year. How complete of a WR is he?

There was a ton of reasons why he was cut.

We made him what he is...and we get to listen to and read glorious reports in the papper and talk radio about how bad it is that we have to see him 2x per year while Skins fans rejoice....Getting the sense like you've seen this before? McNabb and Trotter worked out so well for them. This will be the same. They have a #1 WR, they wont cater to Desean. By week 10 he's a problem (if its a multiyear deal**) and then we'll all be reminded of why we got rid of him.

**If he gets more per year this year than Garcon I push the problem date up to week 5
One of the key things Desean supposedly lacked was motivation. You don't think he's going to be more motivated than he ever has after being "dissed" by a now division rival? I hate to go against a motivated Desean.

I just can't understand how they botched their own position. They want him gone. Fine. They were so worried about how they'd look with the fans that they put out all of this material through "sources" to justify releasing him if it came to that. At the same time, they made it clear that they had no leverage with a trade. A team wouldn't even give a 7th rounder to have Desean for a year because they knew the eagles were going to release him.

Its over now and I do believe going forward it will be for the best but I won't understand how you can't make it work for a year while you get a rookie up to speed or at least get anything for a pro bowl wr who had 82-1330-9.
He'll be motivated for a game...maybe 2 depending on the teams records the second time around. Money motivates him, it's crystal clear. Much like McNabb and Trotter before him he goes to an inferior team, second worst in the league if memory serves me. When McNabb went I think they were top 4 bad as well. We hold onto our players more than any other city IMO. Was he good? Sure. But that was here that was with him being the #1 WR. How will his ego do on a crap team when he's not getting the ball?

I don't see it as botched at all. That's what people want to believe. In the eyes of Eagle fans our front office never does right by players like this (Dawkins, Trotter, McNabb, T.O. etc) and everyone is Banner esque. I'm not saying you're like that because I know you arent but after hearing it so long you're bound to buy in a little bit. It was the right move for all the reasons I previously explained. Only 2 teams showed interest....shockingly it was the Skins and Raiders...

It is what it is. It's hard to see now how his numbers will be replaced but even before seeing them play without Jackson you have to think a combo of Sproles, Maclin, rookie WR and the emergence of Ertz will make his numbers up and then some. Our QB is whats going to make or break this team, not a WR like Jackson.

 
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The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.
I just can't get behind something like this. I'm sure NFL teams spend a ton of time, money and man hours into knowing who their players are. As time wears on the facts get blurred and before you know it D-Jax will be a victim. If you dont believe a billon dollar copmpany does their homework on a guy than factor in that they couldnt move him for any pick...I know some will mention the money but not a single report came out saying we even had a taker. He could have also re-done his deal and didnt. We also took a 6 million dollar cap hit to get rid of him. We also know that he seemed to be a jerkoff in the locker room and as a person. And he was making 10+ million per year. How complete of a WR is he?

There was a ton of reasons why he was cut.

We made him what he is...and we get to listen to and read glorious reports in the papper and talk radio about how bad it is that we have to see him 2x per year while Skins fans rejoice....Getting the sense like you've seen this before? McNabb and Trotter worked out so well for them. This will be the same. They have a #1 WR, they wont cater to Desean. By week 10 he's a problem (if its a multiyear deal**) and then we'll all be reminded of why we got rid of him.

**If he gets more per year this year than Garcon I push the problem date up to week 5
One of the key things Desean supposedly lacked was motivation. You don't think he's going to be more motivated than he ever has after being "dissed" by a now division rival? I hate to go against a motivated Desean.

I just can't understand how they botched their own position. They want him gone. Fine. They were so worried about how they'd look with the fans that they put out all of this material through "sources" to justify releasing him if it came to that. At the same time, they made it clear that they had no leverage with a trade. A team wouldn't even give a 7th rounder to have Desean for a year because they knew the eagles were going to release him.

Its over now and I do believe going forward it will be for the best but I won't understand how you can't make it work for a year while you get a rookie up to speed or at least get anything for a pro bowl wr who had 82-1330-9.
He'll be motivated for a game...maybe 2 depending on the teams records the second time around. Money motivates him, it's crystal clear. Much like McNabb and Trotter before him he goes to an inferior team, second worst in the league if memory serves me. When McNabb went I think they were top 4 bad as well. We hold onto our players more than any other city IMO. Was he good? Sure. But that was here that was with him being the #1 WR. How will his ego do on a crap team when he's not getting the ball?

I don't see it as botched at all. That's what people want to believe. In the eyes of Eagle fans our front office never does right by players like this (Dawkins, Trotter, McNabb, T.O. etc) and everyone is Banner esque. I'm not saying you're like that because I know you arent but after hearing it so long you're bound to buy in a little bit. It was the right move for all the reasons I previously explained. Only 2 teams showed interest....shockingly it was the Skins and Raiders...

It is what it is. It's hard to see now how his numbers will be replaced but even before seeing them play without Jackson you have to think a combo of Sproles, Maclin, rookie WR and the emergence of Ertz will make his numbers up and then some. Our QB is whats going to make or break this team, not a WR like Jackson.
Not even a little bit? It's what people believe b/c its true.

 
The exit interview (or lack of) may have sealed his fate but this all about $. The team is not gonna pay a guy more than an Andre Johsnon type of player who has one trick--speed. He won't learn all the routes and that's a problem for Kelly too. No team was gonna give a 7th while having to pick up 10 million this year.

That doesn't mean I think the organization handled this well.
I just can't get behind something like this. I'm sure NFL teams spend a ton of time, money and man hours into knowing who their players are. As time wears on the facts get blurred and before you know it D-Jax will be a victim. If you dont believe a billon dollar copmpany does their homework on a guy than factor in that they couldnt move him for any pick...I know some will mention the money but not a single report came out saying we even had a taker. He could have also re-done his deal and didnt. We also took a 6 million dollar cap hit to get rid of him. We also know that he seemed to be a jerkoff in the locker room and as a person. And he was making 10+ million per year. How complete of a WR is he?

There was a ton of reasons why he was cut.

We made him what he is...and we get to listen to and read glorious reports in the papper and talk radio about how bad it is that we have to see him 2x per year while Skins fans rejoice....Getting the sense like you've seen this before? McNabb and Trotter worked out so well for them. This will be the same. They have a #1 WR, they wont cater to Desean. By week 10 he's a problem (if its a multiyear deal**) and then we'll all be reminded of why we got rid of him.

**If he gets more per year this year than Garcon I push the problem date up to week 5
One of the key things Desean supposedly lacked was motivation. You don't think he's going to be more motivated than he ever has after being "dissed" by a now division rival? I hate to go against a motivated Desean.I just can't understand how they botched their own position. They want him gone. Fine. They were so worried about how they'd look with the fans that they put out all of this material through "sources" to justify releasing him if it came to that. At the same time, they made it clear that they had no leverage with a trade. A team wouldn't even give a 7th rounder to have Desean for a year because they knew the eagles were going to release him.

Its over now and I do believe going forward it will be for the best but I won't understand how you can't make it work for a year while you get a rookie up to speed or at least get anything for a pro bowl wr who had 82-1330-9.
He'll be motivated for a game...maybe 2 depending on the teams records the second time around. Money motivates him, it's crystal clear. Much like McNabb and Trotter before him he goes to an inferior team, second worst in the league if memory serves me. When McNabb went I think they were top 4 bad as well. We hold onto our players more than any other city IMO. Was he good? Sure. But that was here that was with him being the #1 WR. How will his ego do on a crap team when he's not getting the ball?

I don't see it as botched at all. That's what people want to believe. In the eyes of Eagle fans our front office never does right by players like this (Dawkins, Trotter, McNabb, T.O. etc) and everyone is Banner esque. I'm not saying you're like that because I know you arent but after hearing it so long you're bound to buy in a little bit. It was the right move for all the reasons I previously explained. Only 2 teams showed interest....shockingly it was the Skins and Raiders...

It is what it is. It's hard to see now how his numbers will be replaced but even before seeing them play without Jackson you have to think a combo of Sproles, Maclin, rookie WR and the emergence of Ertz will make his numbers up and then some. Our QB is whats going to make or break this team, not a WR like Jackson.
Not even a little bit? It's what people believe b/c its true.
Some believe OJ was innocent some believe guilty. Doesn't make either one true because you believe it. They believe it because they're not in the know and have only their personal spin to put on it. Our FO has a reputation so fans immediately will say they botched it because of their FO distaste.

Like I said, give it time and Jackson will be the victim.

 
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Our QB is whats going to make or break this team, not a WR like Jackson.
Those two are so related though. Not having a deep threat makes Foles' job harder. One less reliable WR. Spacing changes, smaller windows.
I agree that they're related, however, I disagree that we dont have a deep threat since Cooper was 3rd in the NFL averaging almost 18 ypc last season. That's a deep threat and one you can even throw it to in 1v1 situations when the DB has good coverage due to his size.

**ETA**

We also have the draft and I'm sure we take another WR in the first 3 rounds.

**ETA part 2**

And we also use the run to set up the pass which helps

 
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Our QB is whats going to make or break this team, not a WR like Jackson.
Those two are so related though. Not having a deep threat makes Foles' job harder. One less reliable WR. Spacing changes, smaller windows.
I agree that they're related, however, I disagree that we dont have a deep threat since Cooper was 3rd in the NFL averaging almost 18 ypc last season. That's a deep threat and one you can even throw it to in 1v1 situations when the DB has good coverage due to his size.

**ETA**

We also have the draft and I'm sure we take another WR in the first 3 rounds.

**ETA part 2**

And we also use the run to set up the pass which helps
And we now have Sproles who will play a large roll in this offense.

 
Skins offense has some serious firepower now if they can stay healthy. RG3 can buy time with his legs and let a home run hitter like D-Jax get open deep.

Ugh.

 
Skins offense has some serious firepower now if they can stay healthy. RG3 can buy time with his legs and let a home run hitter like D-Jax get open deep.

Ugh.
That's ok, our team will be well behaved off the field.
I'll believe a 3-13 team has "serious firepower" when they actually show me that they have 6-10/8-8 firepower :shrug:
I don't see them as a sudden favourite for the division, but they definitely improved. Defensively they still have a lot of holes, and I'm not sold on Gruden as a HC. But facing a motivated D-Jax twice a year does annoy me.

 
NFL Network's Albert Breer reports the 49ers are only interested in free agent DeSean Jackson if the price is right.
GoodGuyGamble: That's nice of Tom Gamble to call in a favor to drive up DJax's price for DC.

:lol:

/tinfoilhat

 
Still just can't agree with the way this was handled. Last thing I'll say on it.

You want the guy gone, fine but make damn sure he doesn't go to a division opponent. Say what you want about Washington and Desean but this just made them a tougher win on the schedule. Then the whole leaking of his character issues to justify your cutting him is scummy on the surface but stupid on a business level as you destroyed your on trade leverage before you had a chance to market him.

On top of that, can anyone honestly say that taking Desean away from this offense and adding a rookie WR makes them better this year? I don't care about locker room or perceived talent. The guy had 82 catches and 1330 yards in the first year in this offense. How would he not have improved in year 2? Now a rookie has to pick it up along with getting acclimated to the NFL. Is it possible a rookie could fill in and be good? Sure. I can guarantee he's not catching 80 passes for 1300 yards.

Which ultimately is what Chip wants and that scares me the most. He wants 6 or 7 guys all getting 50 catches for 500-800 yards. Sure that sounds great. About 4000 yards passing in theory but it falls back to that Andy way of thinking IMO that the system rules all. Talent in the system is what will rule. I just hope Howie picks the right guys.

There, I'm done with Desean now. Let's see who we're drafting.

 
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Question: do you believe this move was made to build the team around Foles? Do you think it will help or hurt Foles?

Foles took some heat for holding the ball too long, most notably in the playoffs. Waiting for long routs from DeSean doesn't blend well with getting the ball out as quick as Kelly preached maybe (something like 1.5 secons, he could have been being sarcastic idk). It works much better when Vick would buy enough time for those routs to develops. Foles can improvise when needed, but that's when you have your best chance at forcing him into a mistake. Say what you want about Maclin, but he was a beast catching screens and working in the spread offense at Mizzu. Sproles is basically Wes Welker. He gets open quick and is one of the best after the catch. Chip will definitly adjust to make this all fit. What do you guys think?

 
Question: do you believe this move was made to build the team around Foles? Do you think it will help or hurt Foles?

Foles took some heat for holding the ball too long, most notably in the playoffs. Waiting for long routs from DeSean doesn't blend well with getting the ball out as quick as Kelly preached maybe (something like 1.5 secons, he could have been being sarcastic idk). It works much better when Vick would buy enough time for those routs to develops. Foles can improvise when needed, but that's when you have your best chance at forcing him into a mistake. Say what you want about Maclin, but he was a beast catching screens and working in the spread offense at Mizzu. Sproles is basically Wes Welker. He gets open quick and is one of the best after the catch. Chip will definitly adjust to make this all fit. What do you guys think?
Short routes means shorter time, yes. However, lack of a deep threat means less space for everyone to work with. So the windows are smaller now. Foles has to gain the confidence to throw it in there a little more this year.

 
Question: do you believe this move was made to build the team around Foles? Do you think it will help or hurt Foles?

Foles took some heat for holding the ball too long, most notably in the playoffs. Waiting for long routs from DeSean doesn't blend well with getting the ball out as quick as Kelly preached maybe (something like 1.5 secons, he could have been being sarcastic idk). It works much better when Vick would buy enough time for those routs to develops. Foles can improvise when needed, but that's when you have your best chance at forcing him into a mistake. Say what you want about Maclin, but he was a beast catching screens and working in the spread offense at Mizzu. Sproles is basically Wes Welker. He gets open quick and is one of the best after the catch. Chip will definitly adjust to make this all fit. What do you guys think?
Short routes means shorter time, yes. However, lack of a deep threat means less space for everyone to work with. So the windows are smaller now. Foles has to gain the confidence to throw it in there a little more this year.
It never stopped Tom Brady. We might be undermining what precise rout running and getting open quick brings to this offense. That's something televised games don't allow us to see. Riley Cooper was catching just as many long balls as DeSean. It shows in his ypr and ypt. Play a single high safety or 1v1 on him and Maclin at your own peril. I think that would be in our, or any offenses, favor.
 
So yeah. This was terribly mishandled and it makes Chip look like the guy he is - one who has been in the NFL less than 400 total days.

 
So yeah. This was terribly mishandled and it makes Chip look like the guy he is - one who has been in the NFL less than 400 total days.
Addition by subtraction for the Eagles.

Subtraction by addition for the Redskins.

Wait and see.

 
Question: do you believe this move was made to build the team around Foles? Do you think it will help or hurt Foles?

Foles took some heat for holding the ball too long, most notably in the playoffs. Waiting for long routs from DeSean doesn't blend well with getting the ball out as quick as Kelly preached maybe (something like 1.5 secons, he could have been being sarcastic idk). It works much better when Vick would buy enough time for those routs to develops. Foles can improvise when needed, but that's when you have your best chance at forcing him into a mistake. Say what you want about Maclin, but he was a beast catching screens and working in the spread offense at Mizzu. Sproles is basically Wes Welker. He gets open quick and is one of the best after the catch. Chip will definitly adjust to make this all fit. What do you guys think?
I think there's nothing for Eagles fans to worry about. Like it's been mentioned, a lack of a deep threat in NE hasn't stopped Brady. If Foles is who he's supposed to be then it will be fine. This is predicated on Maclin being 100% but Chip doesn't appear concerned.

 
Still just can't agree with the way this was handled. Last thing I'll say on it.

You want the guy gone, fine but make damn sure he doesn't go to a division opponent. Say what you want about Washington and Desean but this just made them a tougher win on the schedule. Then the whole leaking of his character issues to justify your cutting him is scummy on the surface but stupid on a business level as you destroyed your on trade leverage before you had a chance to market him.

On top of that, can anyone honestly say that taking Desean away from this offense and adding a rookie WR makes them better this year? I don't care about locker room or perceived talent. The guy had 82 catches and 1330 yards in the first year in this offense. How would he not have improved in year 2? Now a rookie has to pick it up along with getting acclimated to the NFL. Is it possible a rookie could fill in and be good? Sure. I can guarantee he's not catching 80 passes for 1300 yards.

Which ultimately is what Chip wants and that scares me the most. He wants 6 or 7 guys all getting 50 catches for 500-800 yards. Sure that sounds great. About 4000 yards passing in theory but it falls back to that Andy way of thinking IMO that the system rules all. Talent in the system is what will rule. I just hope Howie picks the right guys.

There, I'm done with Desean now. Let's see who we're drafting.
I think you're focusing too much on the rookie WR that is supposedly going to replace DeSean. You need to remember they picked up Sproles and Maclin will be back healthy. ShahBucks outlined it in his post. The screen game will become a bigger part of the offense. It's not goin to all be on a rookie's shoulders.

Eagles lost a lot of speed and pretty much gave it to a division rival. I friggin hate that fact. But this offense is still going to be a force to be reckoned with.

 
DeSean is going to be the man in Was if his head is on straight.
No way he has a better year than he did with Chip.
this. pierre garcon, djax, roberts, reed, moss, hankerson... so how many balls is RG3 going to throw this year? more options for WAS, but no way he repeats his 2013 numbers.

if he wanted to showboat and be the #1 receiver, he picked the wrong team.

 
Question: do you believe this move was made to build the team around Foles? Do you think it will help or hurt Foles?

Foles took some heat for holding the ball too long, most notably in the playoffs. Waiting for long routs from DeSean doesn't blend well with getting the ball out as quick as Kelly preached maybe (something like 1.5 secons, he could have been being sarcastic idk). It works much better when Vick would buy enough time for those routs to develops. Foles can improvise when needed, but that's when you have your best chance at forcing him into a mistake. Say what you want about Maclin, but he was a beast catching screens and working in the spread offense at Mizzu. Sproles is basically Wes Welker. He gets open quick and is one of the best after the catch. Chip will definitly adjust to make this all fit. What do you guys think?
I think there's nothing for Eagles fans to worry about. Like it's been mentioned, a lack of a deep threat in NE hasn't stopped Brady. If Foles is who he's supposed to be then it will be fine. This is predicated on Maclin being 100% but Chip doesn't appear concerned.
The bottom line is that you throw to who is open. So far Nick does that and people will be open. People will have you think Desean gets double and triple teamed every game and that's why our targets have sucess. Maybe under Reid but it wasnt that was under Chip. Look at how N.O. played Jackson

 

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