** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (6 Viewers)

[thriftyrocker]

I think given the players likely to be available at their pick, they will take WR. The one exception is Dee Ford, as obviously that is a huge need, and he'd be worth the pick. The CBs are just as deep as the WRs and outside of Roby who has character issues there's not going to be one with a 1st round grade available.. They've already addressed S a little and i doubt Pryor or Clinton-Dix drop. It seems like the value will be at WR regardless of the depth this year. Would really like to see them trade down and accumulate more picks.

 

[CentralPA]

I don't think Cooks fits the mold of what Kelly wants in his WR's. 5'-10" don't beat up on much.

No, that isn't Kelly's usual MO for WRs. I think he's take Beckham or Lee before Cooks but then again we've seen many times where teams will draft someone they've perceived to hardly look at. I love Cooks but think Beckham or Lee would be a better fit.

True, but it seems to me with how many Pro days Chip goes to, he won't be picking someone he hasn't met before. I am expecting a big body if we take a WR. Not Evans though, we won't move up.

I'm wondering if they even take a WR in the first. Seems the dropoff in their 'need' positions on defense is a lot steeper than at WR. Still though, I'm hearing and reading too much scuttlebutt about Lee and Beckham (especially Lee) to discount them grabbing one at 22.

I'd say it's close to 50% they go WR. I just don't see Clinton-Dix or any value at OLB like Barr dropping to 22. If Calvin Pryor is there they should take him Watching it be DT or ILB.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't think Cooks fits the mold of what Kelly wants in his WR's. 5'-10" don't beat up on much.

No, that isn't Kelly's usual MO for WRs. I think he's take Beckham or Lee before Cooks but then again we've seen many times where teams will draft someone they've perceived to hardly look at. I love Cooks but think Beckham or Lee would be a better fit.

True, but it seems to me with how many Pro days Chip goes to, he won't be picking someone he hasn't met before. I am expecting a big body if we take a WR. Not Evans though, we won't move up.

I'm wondering if they even take a WR in the first. Seems the dropoff in their 'need' positions on defense is a lot steeper than at WR. Still though, I'm hearing and reading too much scuttlebutt about Lee and Beckham (especially Lee) to discount them grabbing one at 22.

I'd say it's close to 50% they go WR. I just don't see Clinton-Dix or any value at OLB like Barr dropping to 22. If Calvin Pryor is there they should take him Watching it be DT or ILB.

I'd only be shocked if they picked a QB, RB, OL, DE or ILB with #22. Some of the shock for the DE would be minimized if he could rush the passer.

Dee Ford is a guy who interests me but I wonder if Chip and Howie would see him as being big enough. He seems quick as hell coming off of the corner and would be a nice change for Cole on passing downs.

Louis Nix is another one I like and not because I'm a Notre Dame fan. He fits the big guy mold that Chip likes and would be a starter day one for us a NT. I dont know that they take him at 22 and I dont know that he falls to our second round pick

 

[Deamon]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

 

[CentralPA]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done if the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

 

[Snotbubbles]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Found stuff from last year I copied into the 2013 Thread about Jordan:

INDIANAPOLIS — When Dion Jordan arrived at Oregon, he envisioned himself being a major contributor in Chip Kelly’s offense.But things don’t always work out according to plan.The Ducks ended up moving Jordan (6-6 1/2, 248) to defense. And after two seasons as a hybrid outside linebacker/defensive end, he now finds himself on the cusp of being a first-round pick.“I imagined myself running down the field, catching a bomb from Darron Thomas or [Marcus] Mariota, but things didn’t work out that way,” Jordan said. “You’ve got to adjust. I adjusted, and I took it and ran with it.“I understood that was the best opportunity for me to get on the football field. Coach Kelly and my position coach, Coach [Jerry] Azzinaro, they had a plan for me, and I stuck with it. Things worked out for the best for me.”There was a time when being a “tweener” would be viewed as a negative. But those days are over. Teams want safeties that can play center-field or come up in the box. And linebackers who can rush the passer and also cover tight ends.In that respect, Jordan has a lot of appeal. He’s lined up all over the line, rushed the passer and spent a lot of time in coverage, including on slot receivers.Asked if there’s one thing he wants to hang his hat on at the next level, Jordan said, “Pass rush. I feel like me lining up all over the field on defense just shows my athleticism, shows that I understand the game.“But my whole thing is getting after quarterbacks, and pass-rushing. That’s my number one.”The news out of Indianapolis is that Jordan is scheduled to have shoulder (labrum) surgery next week and is facing a three-to-four month rehab stint. He sustained the injury attempting an arm tackle during a 70-14 win over Colorado on Oct. 27, but still played in five games the rest of the way.“I’ve dealt with it,” he said. “I only missed one game last season. I feel like it shows my toughness. I finished the season. I stayed through with my team. And I made sure as a leader, and as a senior of our team, it shows that I’m willing to win and do what it takes to compete.”Kelly echoed those sentiments, saying Jordan had a special place in his heart.“I think Dion’s a special player. But he’s a special player not because of his physical qualities, but because of his intangible qualities,” Kelly said.Jordan’s projected rehab stint would likely keep him out until training camp. Then again, the team that selects him will probably be banking on his long-term upside anyway.“I kind of like Dion Jordan who I think is two years away from being an Aldon Smith-type player,” said NFL Network’s Mike Mayock. “He’s got frightening athletic skills, and he’s a year away. He would be a situational pass-rusher year one, and if he puts 20 pounds on, I think he’s going to be a perennial All-Pro. I really like the kid. But, again, that’s a little bit of a risk – reward. You’re betting on this kid two years from now.”Jordan said a lot of teams are projecting him to be an outside linebacker in a 3-4. He said he knows he needs to add more weight to his frame, but thinks he can play effectively at 250.As of this afternoon’s interview, Jordan had not yet met with Kelly. But the Eagles’ head coach acknowledged that he doesn’t have to do much homework on the players who were with him at Oregon.“I would think it would be an advantage, because we know ‘em,” Kelly said. “I can tell you what they’re like on the field, I can tell you what they’re like off the field, I can tell you what they’re like in the meeting room.”The Eagles will have a lot options with the No. 4 pick. If they believe in Jordan’s upside, he could find himself once again under the wing of Kelly and Azzinaro.“If that happens, then I’ll be glad to show up in Philly and do my best there,” he said. “But I’m not in control of that.”

NFL Draft Profile: Oregon DE/OLB Dion Jordan

As you can see it does not appears as if he's "under-sized" for what we would be picking him as. One report said that he added close to 20 pounds since the end of his 2012season and being 6'6 he could add another 10 pounds in very little time. In that same article they also mention:

But Jordan's versatility is only part of the equation. His athleticism and explosiveness jump out at you (literally). He was dubbed as a "top performer" by NFL.com in three separate combine workouts: the 40-yard dash, the broad jump and the 20-yard shuttle.
Among all defensive linemen and linebackers, he tied for sixth in the 40-yard dash, tied for ninth in the broad jump and ranked 15th in the 20-yard shuttle. That may not seem overly impressive until you consider his size.

Running the 40 in 4.60 seconds at 248 pounds is an eye-opening feat.
Jordan's results at the combine alone exhibited his speed, lower body explosion and lateral agility, but his production was also there for the Ducks in his last two seasons with the team. During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.
Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.
That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

He seems to be getting a lot of comparisons to Aldon Smith as well. He is what I found about reagrding him after his combine on NFL.com.

OVERVIEW
Smith has a chance to turn into a disruptive starting NFL 4-3 end if he can improve his strength and tenacity and become more stout against the run. He's got so much potential. He's a fluid, natural pass rusher who overcomes lack of excellent get-off with terrific hand usage, elite lateral-mobility, very good closing speed, and a strong desire to get to the quarterback. Provides some value maintaining outside contain, pursuing from the backside, and making plays outside of the box, but could struggle a bit against the downhill running game. Smith has steadily climbed his way into the first round.
ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Smith has outstanding height and length to go along with good speed. Very smooth athlete for his size. Can get to the passer with a variety of moves, impressive agility, and fast hands. Can be disruptive against the run when he gets into the backfield. Has the range to make plays on the backside.
WEAKNESSES
Needs to add some bulk but has the frame to do so. Really needs to watch his pad level. Must improve his ability to anchor at the point of attack. Does not possesses elite initial burst for an edge player. Would like to see more sustained effort in run pursuit.

It seems like the comparisons fit.

**ETA**

Another plus that you don't see mentioned was that he played through this injury and only missed one game.

Five Players the Eagles Could Take At No. 4 Posted by Sheil Kapadia on February 28, 2013 at 11:45 am | 52 Comments A fellow reporter asked me the following question last week at the Combine: If you had to choose right now, who do the Eagles take with the No. 4 pick? It’s a question that will be tossed around quite a bit in the next two months. Eight weeks from tonight, Roger Goodell will step up to the podium in New York City and announce that the Chiefs are on the clock. So from time to time between now and then, I’ll offer my list of the top-five Eagles possibilities (in no particular order). Dion Jordan, OLB/DE, Oregon Why he makes sense: We wrote about the 6-6, 248-pounder at length yesterday. With his unique blend of length, speed and production, Jordan would add a versatile piece to the Eagles’ defense and could play outside linebacker in a 3-4 or SAM linebacker in a 4-3 under. Chip Kelly and Jerry Azzinaro coached him in college, and Kelly admitted last week that Jordan has a special place in his heart. Why he doesn’t: Jordan did not put up gaudy sack totals in college, but part of that was because of how he was used. He’ll need to add weight, which will not be easy right away, considering Jordan is scheduled to have surgery to repair a torn labrum (shoulder) on March 12 and will face a three-to-four month rehab stint. Jordan has high upside, but is not a proven commodity. ** By the way, Jordan was my answer to the initial question at the top of this post. Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M Why he makes sense: He is one of the few consensus top-five picks on the board. At 6-6, 306, Joeckel has the size and experience (three-year starter) at a position that teams value. If Jason Peters is healthy, Joeckel would have to start his NFL career at right tackle, and Todd Herremans would move inside to guard. Herremans is 30, and Peters is 31, so the Eagles very well could be on the lookout for a young tackle prospect. Why he doesn’t: There’s not a whole lot here. The only thing you could really point to is he didn’t blow anyone away with his athleticism at the Combine. But by all accounts, the tape holds up. There’s a decent chance that Joeckel will be gone by the time the Eagles pick at No. 4. Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan Why he makes sense: At 6-7, 306, he too has prototypical size to be an NFL left tackle. He makes sense for many of the same reasons Joeckel makes sense. Fisher can come in, play right tackle and provide some youth at a very important position for the Eagles. “I already thought the gap was closed, to be honest with you,” said NFL Network’s Mike Mayock, when asked about Fisher’s Combine performance. “I thought Eric Fisher closed the gap at the Senior Bowl. I loved him on the Michigan State [tape] before the Senior Bowl, and for me I don’t see a whole lot of difference between Joeckel and Fisher.” Why he doesn’t: Playing in the MAC, Fisher didn’t play against top-level competition on a weekly basis, although Central Michigan did face Big Ten opponents Michigan State and Iowa last season. That’s why the pre-draft process was important for Fisher, and he’s done well for himself at the Senior Bowl and Combine. Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama Why he makes sense: Milliner is the consensus top corner in the draft. At 6-0, 201 pounds, he opened some eyes with his 4.37 40 time at the Combine. Milliner would bring toughness to the Eagles’ secondary, and with no young, starting-caliber corners on the roster, he would fill a glaring need. Why he doesn’t: The question with Milliner appears to be upside. Is his ceiling a perennial Pro Bowler or just a really good corner? Only two cornerbacks have been taken in the top five in the past 10 years. But if the Eagles think he’s special, Milliner could be the pick. Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia Why he makes sense: There’s plenty to like about Smith. He’s got decent size (6-2, 218), arm strength and athleticism (4.59 in the 40). A three-year starter, Smith threw 98 touchdowns and just 21 interceptions. Smith is not considered a can’t-miss prospect, but he appears to have plenty of attractive tools to work with. As always, QB evaluation varies from team to team. But if Chip Kelly likes what he sees out of Smith, don’t rule him out at No. 4. Why he doesn’t: According to Mayock and other draft analysts, Smith’s issues have to do with consistency and footwork. Teams will have to determine whether those issues are correctable with coaching at the next level. His numbers are also skewed because of West Virginia’s system. For example, Smith completed 71.2 percent of his passes, but more than 33 percent of his attempts were behind the line of scrimmage. JUST MISSED THE CUT This type of post often leads to a bunch of How could you leave [insert prospect's name] off the list?! comments – which is perfectly fine. But I’ll at least offer a quick (preemptive) breakdown of the guys who just missed the cut. Sharrif Floyd, DT, Florida – Certainly not ready to rule him out completely. Floyd was probably the toughest omission from my top five. He can play defensive end in a 3-4 and either a 3-technique or a 5-technique in a 4-3 under. Floyd has drawn comparisons to Fletcher Cox, which is not a bad thing, considering how well Cox played as a rookie. But do the Eagles want to spent first-round picks in consecutive years on similar players? If they think he’s clearly the best available, they might decide that’s OK. Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia - The key with him is medical. According to PFT, multiple teams have taken Jones off the board because of his spinal stenosis. But ESPN’s Chris Mortensen said Jones got a favorable medical review at the Combine. At 6-2, 245, Jones might not have the ideal length Kelly is looking for. But there’s no doubting his production. Jones played in the SEC and led the nation in sacks (14.5), tackles for loss (24.5) and forced fumbles (7). He most likely projects as an outside linebacker in a 3-4. Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah – Like Jones, the concern with Lotulelei is medical. He had to leave the Combine after tests showed an abnormal heart condition. We recently detailed Lotulelei’s round-about journey to the NFL. If his medical checks out, he’s expected to be a first-round pick. And he could play nose tackle for the Eagles. Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama – The Eagles have the inside scoop on Warmack, considering offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland was with him at Alabama. It seems like every year there’s a “can’t miss perennial Pro Bowl guard” in the first round. But look at the nine guards who got Pro Bowl recognition last year. Only two were first-round picks. Mayock called Warmack the best player he’s seen on tape so far. But I just don’t see the Eagles taking him as a top-five pick. Follow Sheil Kapadia on Twitter and e-mail him at skapadia@phillymag.com. Become a fan of Birds 24/7 on Facebook. ‹ Eagles Wake-Up Call: Post-Combine Mock DraftsTwitter Mailbag: On Revis, Foles And the No. 4 Pick › Tagged with: Chip Kelly, Sheil Kapadia Posted in Uncategorized - See more at: http://www.phillymag.com/eagles/2013/02/28/five-players-the-eagles-could-take-at-no-4/#sthash.kpegpn1c.dpuf

 

[Insein]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.

No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.

No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

I'm not sure I completley agree about parting with #22. If he is higher rated than anyone else on our board than I have no problem with it. It has a feel of when we dealt a 1 for Peters or when NE got Welker off of Miami for a 2 IMO

The below type of player would be a great fit opposite of Barwin IMO:

During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@SheilKapadia: Eagles pre-draft visits page updated: http://t.co/bAHmT7Kbdf

 

[unckeyherb]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.

No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

I'm not sure I completley agree about parting with #22. If he is higher rated than anyone else on our board than I have no problem with it. It has a feel of when we dealt a 1 for Peters or when NE got Welker off of Miami for a 2 IMO

The below type of player would be a great fit opposite of Barwin IMO:

During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

I agree. My recollection is that a lot of Draft Mocks last year had the Birds jumping on him at #4, until Miami took him one pick ahead. If he still grades out near where he was taken last year and you quickly analyze the talent doesn't equal out where we will draft in May, its not unreasonable to think he is worth the pick.

 

[Insein]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

I'm not sure I completley agree about parting with #22. If he is higher rated than anyone else on our board than I have no problem with it. It has a feel of when we dealt a 1 for Peters or when NE got Welker off of Miami for a 2 IMO

The below type of player would be a great fit opposite of Barwin IMO:

During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

I agree. My recollection is that a lot of Draft Mocks last year had the Birds jumping on him at #4, until Miami took him one pick ahead. If he still grades out near where he was taken last year and you quickly analyze the talent doesn't equal out where we will draft in May, its not unreasonable to think he is worth the pick.

I just don't buy the doesn't fit the system argument. Teams don't tend to move on from the #3 overall pick the following year. If they are that desperate to move then they should be willing to take less. Negotiating 101.

Was also the reaaon we got nothing for desean because the Eagles front office just wanted him gone. So no one gave anything for him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

I'm not sure I completley agree about parting with #22. If he is higher rated than anyone else on our board than I have no problem with it. It has a feel of when we dealt a 1 for Peters or when NE got Welker off of Miami for a 2 IMO

The below type of player would be a great fit opposite of Barwin IMO:

During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

I agree. My recollection is that a lot of Draft Mocks last year had the Birds jumping on him at #4, until Miami took him one pick ahead. If he still grades out near where he was taken last year and you quickly analyze the talent doesn't equal out where we will draft in May, its not unreasonable to think he is worth the pick.

I just don't buy the doesn't fit the system argument. Teams don't tend to move on from the #3 overall pick the following year. If they are that desperate to move then they should be willing to take less. Negotiating 101.

Was also the reaaon we got nothing for desean because the Eagles front office just wanted him gone. So no one gave anything for him.

I didnt completley agree with the giving up of the 22 because we really don't have many options after that. If we can get him for less than the 22 than that would be great but I think a team picking between 22 and 54 would surely part with a pick for him. The Graham plus the #54 overall seems to good to be true IMO

I don't know enough about the Miami situation to know whether or not he's a scheme fit or not. Maybe they don't want to former 3-4 OLB's being DE's? I really don't know.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@SheilKapadia: Draft buzz: Per one report, the Eagles are very high on Mike Evans and would consider trading up to grab him. http://t.co/zshuOts1EI

 

[JaxBill]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

I'm not sure I completley agree about parting with #22. If he is higher rated than anyone else on our board than I have no problem with it. It has a feel of when we dealt a 1 for Peters or when NE got Welker off of Miami for a 2 IMO

The below type of player would be a great fit opposite of Barwin IMO:

During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

I agree. My recollection is that a lot of Draft Mocks last year had the Birds jumping on him at #4, until Miami took him one pick ahead. If he still grades out near where he was taken last year and you quickly analyze the talent doesn't equal out where we will draft in May, its not unreasonable to think he is worth the pick.

I just don't buy the doesn't fit the system argument. Teams don't tend to move on from the #3 overall pick the following year. If they are that desperate to move then they should be willing to take less. Negotiating 101.

Was also the reaaon we got nothing for desean because the Eagles front office just wanted him gone. So no one gave anything for him.

Different front office than the one that drafted him.

And they might take less closer to the draft.

 

[Paulymaggs]

Anyone that has seriously looked at Dion Jordan 'rushing the passer' in the NFL wouldn't trade more than a fifth rounder for him.

All speed, no sense of wiggle or moves at all. And the "speed" isn't so special where he can just blow by people consistently. Gets pushed around with any sort of contact.

 

[Insein]

Report out that we offered a 2nd and Graham for Jordan. Too bad they said no, that would have been awesome. Think he needs into this D and out of Miami.

I think there is a rather large cap hit for Miami if they traded him before June 1st. The fact that they really don't have much an incentive to trade Jordan away is probably the prevailing thought. It'd be closer to getting done is the Eagles offered 22 but they'd never do that.

From what I remember about Jordan, the knock on him was that he was speed rusher with no other moves and that the more athletic LT would just eat him up in the NFL. He didn't really have a bunch of sacks in college. So he most likely wouldn't be the pass rushing OLB answer. What it might allow the Eagles to do is have Barwin rush more because Jordan would be a better option in the coverage game. I'm not sure I'd give up a first for the guy. The Dolphins are moving to a 4-3 and he will be so bad as a DE that his value will only get lower. They might be able to get him for a lower pick in the 2015 draft. At that point, I'd take a shot.

I'm with you here.No way do I give up the 1st just on principle alone. Miami drafted him top 5 last year sure but if he had any kind of talent, they'd still want him there. I'd be willing to take a look at the guy but more in the range of a 2nd and a 4th next year that could become a 3rd. Graham or no graham makes no difference. Definitely not giving #22 when could use that on a top talent from this draft.

I'm not sure I completley agree about parting with #22. If he is higher rated than anyone else on our board than I have no problem with it. It has a feel of when we dealt a 1 for Peters or when NE got Welker off of Miami for a 2 IMO

The below type of player would be a great fit opposite of Barwin IMO:

During that span, he posted a combined 86 tackles, 12.5 sacks, 23.5 tackles for loss and four forced fumbles (via CFBStats.com). That's even more impressive considering he was oftentimes asked to cover tight ends and receivers out of the slot with the Ducks.

Keep in mind, Jordan started out as a tight end at Oregon. He has only been playing in the front seven for three years.

That has many thinking the sky's the limit for the 22-year-old.

I agree. My recollection is that a lot of Draft Mocks last year had the Birds jumping on him at #4, until Miami took him one pick ahead. If he still grades out near where he was taken last year and you quickly analyze the talent doesn't equal out where we will draft in May, its not unreasonable to think he is worth the pick.

I just don't buy the doesn't fit the system argument. Teams don't tend to move on from the #3 overall pick the following year. If they are that desperate to move then they should be willing to take less. Negotiating 101.Was also the reaaon we got nothing for desean because the Eagles front office just wanted him gone. So no one gave anything for him.

Different front office than the one that drafted him.

And they might take less closer to the draft.

Yes but it's rather alarming. If the guy had any talent, they wouldn't be dangling him. He's obviously not as good as advertised. I'm not saying I wouldn't try to get him because he still has potential but he's not worth a 1st to me.

 

[Insein]

Anyone that has seriously looked at Dion Jordan 'rushing the passer' in the NFL wouldn't trade more than a fifth rounder for him.

All speed, no sense of wiggle or moves at all. And the "speed" isn't so special where he can just blow by people consistently. Gets pushed around with any sort of contact.

It definitely has a trent Richardson feel to it.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone that has seriously looked at Dion Jordan 'rushing the passer' in the NFL wouldn't trade more than a fifth rounder for him.

All speed, no sense of wiggle or moves at all. And the "speed" isn't so special where he can just blow by people consistently. Gets pushed around with any sort of contact.

It definitely has a trent Richardson feel to it.

http://www.thephinsider.com/2014/1/6/5280252/dolphins-defensive-end-dion-jordan-ive-got-a-lot-of-work-to-do

The Miami Dolphins traded up in last year's NFL Draft to gran defensive end Dion Jordan with the third overall pick. After his first year in the league, a season in which Jordan spent more time on the bench than on the field, the rookie looked back at his experience.

I knew coming in what the deal was, Miami Dolphins defensive end Dion Jordan told Dolphins.com's Andy Kent of his rookie campaign in the NFL. They wanted me to make sure that I was healthy first of all and that I was able to help out the team. So thats what it was and they wanted to make sure that I was all right. I came in and I did as much as I could with my snaps so I cant complain. If youre out there youre expected to be productive. The way a lot of our games went, teams were running the ball a lot and I dont really think they wanted probably one of the lightest guys in the defensive line room playing all of those double teams and scoops. Im a pass rusher.

IVE GAINED A LOT OF STRIDES BUT IVE GOT A LOT TO WORK DO, OBVIOUSLY.

Jordan's first year in the league did not see the player Miami jumped from twelfth in last year's Draft to third set the world on fire. In fact, he spent most of the season on the sideline, watching, rather than on the field playing. Jordan payed just 338 defensive snaps this past season, along with contributing on special teams.

For a player the Dolphins aggressively attacked in the Draft to see the field so little frustrated fans. However, Jordan seems to understand his role, and that he has to use this offseason as a chance to get better.

Ive gained a lot of strides but Ive got a lot to work do, obviously, Jordan continued. Ive just got to keep my feet in the dirt and grind it out. I just have to gain the respect of my teammates and my coaches and eventually Ill be able to get out there and show them what I can do. I could have made more plays when I was out there and I feel like that probably would have helped me out a lot more but this offseason Ive got to get much better as a player in all aspects. Its helped me a lot being in the room that Ive been in these last four or five months and Ive just got to develop as a player.

Not only will Jordan now have an entire offseason at the NFL level to get ready for 2014 now, but he will also not be battling the shoulder injury that slowed him at the start of training camp, nor will he be kept from offseason workouts due to NFL rules preventing drafted players from joining their team until after their current academic term ends. Jordan was utilized in pass rush situations most of the season, tallying 26 tackles, two sacks, and two pass defenses. Ahead of him on the depth chart, Pro Bowler Cameron Wake recorded 8.5 sacks this year, while Olivier Vernon led the team with 11.5.

Jordan will be looking to have a similar second year improvement to Vernon, who as a rookie in 2012 had 23 tackles and 3.5 sacks in limited playing time. Vernon's 11.5 sacks this year was good enough for seventh in the league.

How much of an impact Jordan will have next season could be determined over the next few months. With added strength and an understanding of how to set the edge against the run, rather than simply being a pass rusher on each and every down, Jordan will see his playing time increase and the potential that led to his selection at number three overall be realized. Jordan seems to realize exactly how much work he has to do this offseason, which could mean 2014 will be a special year.

I didn't realize until I read this that they will now have awake at one DE and Vernon (who had 11.5 sacks) at the other. Shopping him under a new regime doesn't sound like Richardson to me at all given the above.

 

[ShaHBucks]

@SheilKapadia: Draft buzz: Per one report, the Eagles are very high on Mike Evans and would consider trading up to grab him. http://t.co/zshuOts1EI

DeSean who?

 

[Deamon]

@SheilKapadia: Draft buzz: Per one report, the Eagles are very high on Mike Evans and would consider trading up to grab him. http://t.co/zshuOts1EI

DeSean who?

What would that cost us though... would even our 2nd be enough to move up that far? Guessing we'd have to get up around $8

 

[Deamon]

@SheilKapadia: Draft buzz: Per one report, the Eagles are very high on Mike Evans and would consider trading up to grab him. http://t.co/zshuOts1EI

DeSean who?

What I think more likely happens is that Atlanta trades up with St. Louis to take Clowney and Rams take Evans.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

 

[Deamon]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

 

[Insein]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

22 to 6? Yes it will cost a lot.

 

[Terpman22]

Yeah, but Evans won't have to be taken @6.

 

[Deamon]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

22 to 6? Yes it will cost a lot.

Ahh, thought he was replying to my post above where I mentioned the falcons moving up to get clowney at 2 and didn't think it would take near that much.

As for us, maybe we can get away with giving up our 2nd and 2 4th's. That seems like so much to give when we have so many needs though. If we find a way to somehow land him though and bring in jordan, that would be unreal. Probably would have to pull a wash/oak and give up a lot of future year picks though.

 

[Insein]

Yeah, but Evans won't have to be taken @6.

He might. A lot projecting him 7 to Tampa if Watkins goes to Oakland.

 

[babydemon90]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

22 to 6? Yes it will cost a lot.

Don't want to trade that far. If he slips to 15 or so - then maybe, sure. Still, in a deep WR draft, I'd rather not trade up and lose picks at all....

 

[Deamon]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

22 to 6? Yes it will cost a lot.

Don't want to trade that far. If he slips to 15 or so - then maybe, sure. Still, in a deep WR draft, I'd rather not trade up and lose picks at all....

no way he's there at 15.

 

[ShaHBucks]

This draft is too deep at DE/OLB to trade for Jordan.

 

[JetMaxx]

Trade up for a WR of all things in this draft is a Lions, Redskins, Cardinals caliber move. Perpetual suck results.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Trade up for a WR of all things in this draft is a Lions, Redskins, Cardinals caliber move. Perpetual suck results.

Lol good point.

 

[babydemon90]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

22 to 6? Yes it will cost a lot.

Don't want to trade that far. If he slips to 15 or so - then maybe, sure. Still, in a deep WR draft, I'd rather not trade up and lose picks at all....

no way he's there at 15.

Don't know that I would say NO way, but unlikely - not disagreeing. Just saying I would not be in favor of trading up that high and losing what it would take to do so.

 

[Faust]

McCoy surprised Jackson cut, says Eagles have 'big shoes to fill'

 

[Faust]

If Eagles draft a receiver, they'll want size and speed

 

[Deamon]

Falcons gave up 2 1sts, a 2nd, and 2 4ths to get Julio. Have to figure it'd take something similar. I would be pretty disappointed if they paid anywhere close to that. I think this is smoke and they will take Beckham if anyone.

Youthink it would take anything NEAR that? No way. They moved up a lot that year to get him, this is a tiny jump a few spot.

22 to 6? Yes it will cost a lot.

Don't want to trade that far. If he slips to 15 or so - then maybe, sure. Still, in a deep WR draft, I'd rather not trade up and lose picks at all....

no way he's there at 15.

Don't know that I would say NO way, but unlikely - not disagreeing. Just saying I would not be in favor of trading up that high and losing what it would take to do so.

I agree it would cost us probably more then it's worth. But I kinda get the feeling that Chip would be willing to overpay to get another star on offense to fill Deseans shoes and cove his own ### a bit. It will be a lot easier to justify his move if he gets a top receiver and if the offense doesn't miss a beat next year. Knowing how he is, he might be willing to overpay to make that happen.

 

[Deamon]

Anyone read the report that we tried hard to trade for CJ Spiller before acquiring Sproles?

 

[Insein]

Anyone read the report that we tried hard to trade for CJ Spiller before acquiring Sproles?

No. Link?

Interesting to go after another top RB talent. Chip hasn't drafted a RB yet because the team had so many. It does make sense though since his scheme is predominantly run based. Do we see him perhaps taking one in the 3-7 range?

 

[Terpman22]

Yeah I read that. I guess we figure we can keep going back to Buffalo to rape them for their only good players at the time (Peters).

 

[Insein]

Yeah I read that. I guess we figure we can keep going back to Buffalo to rape them for their only good players at the time (Peters).

We gave them a first for Peters. Pretty fair value for an injury risk OT.

 

[Terpman22]

Yeah I read that. I guess we figure we can keep going back to Buffalo to rape them for their only good players at the time (Peters).

We gave them a first for Peters. Pretty fair value for an injury risk OT.

Dude. That was a trape.

 

[jon007]

I can't get these thoughts out of my mind but the signings of Sproles and Sanchez took any leverage that McCoy or Foles may have leading into the draft. If anything makes both of these players very tradable.

 

[Insein]

I can't get these thoughts out of my mind but the signings of Sproles and Sanchez took any leverage that McCoy or Foles may have leading into the draft. If anything makes both of these players very tradable.

I think you're looking into a bit much. Desean was apparently a nuisance. Foles and McCoy have been model citizens so far and are the back bone of what Kelly wants to do. Sure he'd probably like a Manziel type but without Foles brain, he's nothing in the NFL for Kelly. McCoy will probably be replaced in 2 years as a natural flow of rbs anyway. I just don't see them relying on two retreads learning the system to do what two guys that broke records did the year before.If they do it then we got problems.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@Tim_McManus: Source confirms Anthony Barr has visit scheduled with Eagles. Apparently not first time team has checked him out. http://t.co/hAX1iyuO5V

 

[Deranged Hermit]

@Tim_McManus: Source confirms Anthony Barr has visit scheduled with Eagles. Apparently not first time team has checked him out. http://t.co/hAX1iyuO5V

Not the first time I've heard this. Barr could drop a bit to the early teens. I think a trade with StL or Chi makes a ton of sense if that happens.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Anyone read the report that we tried hard to trade for CJ Spiller before acquiring Sproles?

No. Link?Interesting to go after another top RB talent. Chip hasn't drafted a RB yet because the team had so many. It does make sense though since his scheme is predominantly run based. Do we see him perhaps taking one in the 3-7 range?

Maybe they don't like this class of RBs??*Spiller's versatility fits what we look for.

 

[scratcher]

@Tim_McManus: Source confirms Anthony Barr has visit scheduled with Eagles. Apparently not first time team has checked him out. http://t.co/hAX1iyuO5V

Not the first time I've heard this. Barr could drop a bit to the early teens. I think a trade with StL or Chi makes a ton of sense if that happens.

Question is: would you rather trade a first and a second or third round pick to trade up for Barr? Or would you rather have Jordan for a first and Brandon Graham?

 

[JetMaxx]

Neither. A trade up that will sacrifice picks in this deep draft is a major error

 

[Deamon]

Anyone read the report that we tried hard to trade for CJ Spiller before acquiring Sproles?

No. Link?

Interesting to go after another top RB talent. Chip hasn't drafted a RB yet because the team had so many. It does make sense though since his scheme is predominantly run based. Do we see him perhaps taking one in the 3-7 range?

I know it's just CSN but seems strange they'd go for him. Although might mean he know Djax was gonna be gone a long time ago.

http://www.csnphilly.com/football-philadelphia-eagles/sproles-eagles-inquired-about-cj-spiller