unckeyherb
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That's gallingMighty Mice said:
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Ya he had a good year. Just totally overshadowed by the insane amount of rookie WR's putting up huge numbers this year though.Mighty Mice said:
Might be a dropoff if it goes back to Foles, it was night and day the difference for Mathews with Foles/Sanchez.
Should be solid next year and hope he builds some chemistry with Foles this offseason. Need Mac back, would be satisfied with Maclin/Mathews/Cooper/Ertz
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
My thoughts are for a QB that doesn't go deep and is exclusively short and intermediate, he should have had fewer... but by the 'eye test' he held onto the ball far too long and was indecisive.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Yes, we would still pick #20 and miss the playoffs at 11-5 (somehow I thought we had tiebreak over DET but was incorrect). But IMO maybe we do 'feel better' collectively and the media does garnish more attention on the fact a team was left out with 11 wins (and the 5 losses to SEA/GB/DAL/ARI/SF...4 playoff teams and a very good team in SF on the road before they collapsed down the stretch).
I know of many teams left out with 10 wins, but can't remember an 11 win team getting left out off the top of my head.
Suffice to say we lost to all the other playoff teams listed above and for that reason alone (not being able to 'compete' with that tier) no way did I feel PHI deserved a slot.
Just sayin'...Parkey was $$$ all year, had an inexplicably poor game vs. WAS. He makes either FG and we're 11-5. Changes perception, seeing an 11 win team left out. Also could be good for offseason momentum internally. Something they could 'point to' so to speak.
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Mighty Mice
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Free Agency
The following Eagles are unrestricted free agents: WR Jeremy Maclin, OLB Brandon Graham, S Nate Allen, CB Bradley Fletcher, QB Mark Sanchez, ILB Casey Matthews and WR Brad Smith.
Sooooo....Maclin and Graham if feasible?
Also reading Cole is willing to rework his contract. Wants to stay an Eagle.
The following Eagles are unrestricted free agents: WR Jeremy Maclin, OLB Brandon Graham, S Nate Allen, CB Bradley Fletcher, QB Mark Sanchez, ILB Casey Matthews and WR Brad Smith.
Sooooo....Maclin and Graham if feasible?
Also reading Cole is willing to rework his contract. Wants to stay an Eagle.
Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
I'd take Sanchez back if the price is right. He's an adequate backup but like most backups, if he has to play more than 5 games, we're in trouble.
I agree. And I think Sanchez knows he's a backup too. Hopefully that means we get him at a good price.
Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Anyone see this? http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/eagles/20141231_Boykin_deserves_a_shot_at_starting.html
Everyone of us who watched this team can see Boykin has the "it" factor. I just can't understand not trying him outside and having him on the field as much as possible. Letting Fletcher get burned reapeatedly and defending the decision until he's finally a healthy scratch makes me nervous about this regime. The blown first pick and passing on Buccanon and Roby unnerves me. Getting rid of Jackson unnerves me.
On the positive side: I'm bullish on Foles and hope they can use the money they save on him to shore up the weak spots. Do you realize he will be the 55th highest paid QB? Unreal! I don't think he's injury prone either. Freak stuff. Rodgers broke his collar bone last year and is now dealing with a calf injury but no one would say he's "injury prone."
Back to the negative: don't like the rumblings that their is a rift between Chip and Howey.
Year 3 will be everything for this team. The schedule looks easier but the division does not. Half of me wants so bad to trust in Chip and stay upbeat. The other half thinks he's a gimmick coach that won't be abke to handle this level especially in this town and he'll be back in college by 2017.
Everyone of us who watched this team can see Boykin has the "it" factor. I just can't understand not trying him outside and having him on the field as much as possible. Letting Fletcher get burned reapeatedly and defending the decision until he's finally a healthy scratch makes me nervous about this regime. The blown first pick and passing on Buccanon and Roby unnerves me. Getting rid of Jackson unnerves me.
On the positive side: I'm bullish on Foles and hope they can use the money they save on him to shore up the weak spots. Do you realize he will be the 55th highest paid QB? Unreal! I don't think he's injury prone either. Freak stuff. Rodgers broke his collar bone last year and is now dealing with a calf injury but no one would say he's "injury prone."
Back to the negative: don't like the rumblings that their is a rift between Chip and Howey.
Year 3 will be everything for this team. The schedule looks easier but the division does not. Half of me wants so bad to trust in Chip and stay upbeat. The other half thinks he's a gimmick coach that won't be abke to handle this level especially in this town and he'll be back in college by 2017.
jon007
Footballguy
I think it is time to revamp the playoffs. IMO we need 7 teams in the playoffs, 4 division winners and 3 wildcards. #1 seed is the only seed to get a bye plus home field advantage. Seeds #2 thru #7 play in the wildcard round.
Since the realignment I have never understood why they kept the same playoff structure. When it was only 3 divisions you have 3 division winners and 3 wildcards. Now you have 4 division winners and 2 wildcards. Why should the #2 seed get the same benefits as the #1 in the divisional round?
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Tom Gamble out per Mort. Cue the Chip/Howie rift talk again
Insein
Footballguy
Pip's Invitation
Footballguy
There are many potential explanations for Gamble's ouster. Scapegoat for the Marcus Smith pick? They got wind that he was in talks with other teams? A compromise between Howie and Chip?
The one that could be most unnerving is that Chip is consolidating power like Andy did before him. That turned out horribly, as Andy was spread too thin with his other duties and it hampered his coaching, and there was no strong alternative voice to dissuade him from doing things like hiring Washburn without a DC in place and promoting Castillo to DC.
The one that could be most unnerving is that Chip is consolidating power like Andy did before him. That turned out horribly, as Andy was spread too thin with his other duties and it hampered his coaching, and there was no strong alternative voice to dissuade him from doing things like hiring Washburn without a DC in place and promoting Castillo to DC.
Insein
Footballguy
The prevailing theory so far seems to be that Gamble was Chip's "football" guy and this is a direct shot by Howie to say, "yea all I do is manage the cap eh?"
To me it seems like the Desean Jackson move was a season long bet. If the Eagles finish 12-4 and get a playoff win, Chip and Gamble win. If they don't, Howie wins. Howie signed Desean long term so he wasn't onboard with letting him go despite being the good soldier to the media. Jackson played good and the Eagles missed the playoffs. Someones head had to roll for the Desean move.
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
Tom Gamble is no longer a part of the Eagles’ front office.
Gamble was named the team’s vice president of player personnel during the 2013 offseason. He had previously spent eight seasons with the San Francisco 49ers as a respected talent evaluator.
The Eagles may try to spin this as the two sides parting ways, but that seems like a stretch.
Tim reported in November that the relationship between Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman had cooled, but Kelly and Gamble remained close.
"I think Tom does an outstanding job," Kelly said last week. "And if he has the opportunity to [be a GM somewhere else], then I would support him in anything. And if I can give him any help in that situation I would. But he's a heck of a football guy."
In the same press conference, Kelly said dealing with the cap and contracts is Roseman's strength. He did not say anything about Roseman as a talent evaluator and offered a one-word answer when asked to describe his relationship with the GM: "Good."
Kelly has been calling the shots since he was hired. He's had final say on the 53-man roster, and his fingerprints have been all over the draft. Just last year, two of the Eagles' first five draft picks were Oregon players whom Kelly had coached: Josh Huff and Taylor Hart.
The Eagles' 2014 draft class did not contribute much as rookies, aside from Jordan Matthews. It's easy to second-guess some of the other moves that have been Kelly's call, like releasing DeSean Jackson and giving Riley Cooper $10 million guaranteed to start.
Gamble's departure seems like a clear win for Roseman. Lurie was asked last week whether Roseman would be back as the GM.
"Is that a question?" Lurie responded. "Yes."
The one draft we know Roseman was in control of was 2012, and that's easily been the strongest in recent memory with Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Nick Foles, Brandon Boykin, Vinny Curry and Bryce Brown.
Letting Gamble go could be an indication that Lurie is stripping Kelly of some of his control and handing it back over to Roseman.
Will the GM have final say during the 2015 draft? How might that fly with Kelly?
The Eagles' season officially ended just three days ago, but the offseason is already off to an eventful start
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/12/31/making-sense-gamble-move/#XrVCLQhAjfcawxor.99
Gamble was named the team’s vice president of player personnel during the 2013 offseason. He had previously spent eight seasons with the San Francisco 49ers as a respected talent evaluator.
The Eagles may try to spin this as the two sides parting ways, but that seems like a stretch.
Tim reported in November that the relationship between Chip Kelly and Howie Roseman had cooled, but Kelly and Gamble remained close.
"I think Tom does an outstanding job," Kelly said last week. "And if he has the opportunity to [be a GM somewhere else], then I would support him in anything. And if I can give him any help in that situation I would. But he's a heck of a football guy."
In the same press conference, Kelly said dealing with the cap and contracts is Roseman's strength. He did not say anything about Roseman as a talent evaluator and offered a one-word answer when asked to describe his relationship with the GM: "Good."
Kelly has been calling the shots since he was hired. He's had final say on the 53-man roster, and his fingerprints have been all over the draft. Just last year, two of the Eagles' first five draft picks were Oregon players whom Kelly had coached: Josh Huff and Taylor Hart.
The Eagles' 2014 draft class did not contribute much as rookies, aside from Jordan Matthews. It's easy to second-guess some of the other moves that have been Kelly's call, like releasing DeSean Jackson and giving Riley Cooper $10 million guaranteed to start.
Gamble's departure seems like a clear win for Roseman. Lurie was asked last week whether Roseman would be back as the GM.
"Is that a question?" Lurie responded. "Yes."
The one draft we know Roseman was in control of was 2012, and that's easily been the strongest in recent memory with Fletcher Cox, Mychal Kendricks, Nick Foles, Brandon Boykin, Vinny Curry and Bryce Brown.
Letting Gamble go could be an indication that Lurie is stripping Kelly of some of his control and handing it back over to Roseman.
Will the GM have final say during the 2015 draft? How might that fly with Kelly?
The Eagles' season officially ended just three days ago, but the offseason is already off to an eventful start
Read more at http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/12/31/making-sense-gamble-move/#XrVCLQhAjfcawxor.99
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Bigboy10182000
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Why does it always have to be all Desperate Housewives? I think I speak for all of us when I say we don't know dik about what Gamble does or even if he was good at his job. For all we know every guy he discussed or wanted probably blew. He probably got fired due to what many of us get fired for-- not doing our job up to our bosses standards.
Long Ball Larry
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And as you know that doesn't necessarily mean he did well here. I think too much is made of things like this. If he did well at his job, he would still be here IMHO.
jasvic
Footballguy
Or he simply wants to be a GM and knew he wouldn't get the chance here, so they parted ways. That is the official line, parted ways, not fired. It was an "insider" that said fired. Totally agree with your points about the ridiculous drama.
msommer
Footballguy
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
Oh and Roseman is talking to the Jets about their GM opening.
Insein
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
I'm hoping this is mostly his agent leaking some stuff for contract / extension purposes.
If Howie is as smart as we've all seen then he must know that Lurie is 100x a better owner to work for than Woody Johnson.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Apparently it was just for permission to talk to some player personnel guy we have Mueller I think. Makes for good news though.
sporthenry
Footballguy
Yeah after these past few weeks, if TB comes calling with his own QB and more power, does he go? Heck 10 wins down there probably gets you a statue.
GoBirds
Footballguy
DH it's too bad your guy isn't still working with the Eagles.....would love to hear the behind the scenes on the recent stories.
Insein
Footballguy
This isnt college. He's under contract with the eagles till 2018. The eagles would have to "trade" him.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The only reason Gamble took the job to be closer to his ailing father. His father died in January last year. The guy has a resume to be a GM in this league and the Eagles already had a GM. Seems like a logical separation for both sides at this point.
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
I'm feeling very uneasy about this situation.
Capella
Footballguy
unckeyherb
Footballguy
On 97.5 they are talking about Chip potentially being traded to the 49ers, Per a speculative tweet from Mike Florio.
What the fudge
What the fudge
Buddy Ball 2K3
Footballguy
a first and what?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@LesBowen today is a harsh reminder of the Twitter age of reporting (use the term "reporting" loosely).
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
No shot Chip goes. Maybe he gets a raise but he isn't going anywhere. Gamble leaves and Oregon goes to a championship game and now we're trading our coach 
There's a better chance of him going to Washington and cutting Desean again.
There's a better chance of him going to Washington and cutting Desean again.
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora · 7m7 minutes agoBack at Oregon people have heard how upset Chip Kelly is and how he wants out of Philly w/3yrs left on his deal, can he rattle enuff chains?
Awful Waffle
Footballguy
La Canfora is a noted hack.
Tim McManus: My understanding is that there is a move forthcoming, but it doesn't involve the departure of either Kelly or Roseman.
Tim McManus: My understanding is that there is a move forthcoming, but it doesn't involve the departure of either Kelly or Roseman.
Insein
Footballguy
Can it? Seems like he has room to draft more Oregon players and first round no shows. Then cut top WRs for no reason or reasonable compensation.
I like Chip the Coach but nothing he's done personnel wise has given me any confidence in his ability to be a GM.
