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****Official 2015 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread **** (1 Viewer)

That's not much of a master plan. Not giving Carey any carries yesterday was moronic, too. Gase isn't helping himself any on his next job with how the offense has floundered.

 
I said it earlier this year. I would he happy going 2-14 as long as the two wins were against the Packers. I'm going to try to forget everything else about this season. Except the win on Thanksgiving night.

 
Would like to say they're building something now and on the way up but I just can't do it anymore. Said it far too many times in the past. I'll believe it when I see it. Until then, they're still losers.

 
They're not building ####. They have no good young players to build around. This is a disaster scene.

 
Are there any benched QBs the Bears should consider going after in the offseason? Kaepernick, RGIII, and Glennon can all possibly be acquired. Anyone else?

 
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Are there any benched QBs the Bears should consider going after in the offseason? Kaepernick, RGIII, and Glennon can all possibly be acquired. Anyone else?
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I wouldn't touch Kaepernick or RGIII. I don't want that type of offense where it relies more on your QB's running ability then his passing. I love watching Carolina, but I don't think either of those other two have developed as a passer as much as Cam, and I don't think there is a prayer they can be as durable as him. I don't see them working long term.

Glennon, I don't know, I don't think he's "the guy" and would really just be another hit or miss QB. I'd personally rather just stick with Cutler, and try and keep some consistency on offense they can try and build on until they decide they are in a position to get their next QB in the draft. If he were on the street, why not sign him and bring in some competition and someone that may be a back-up with potential high upside, but I'm not giving away the 3rd or 4th round it would likely take to get him. To many holes we need to address to waste them.

 
Cant get enough of this thread. Langford just saved you 10 million dollars youd have to spend on Forte, youve got a serviceable backup on the cheap in Carey, Alshon is true WR1, you've got a handful of defensive players including Amos, McFee, and Goldman to build around, and probably your most dynamic player was hurt all season. Oh and thats with one abbreviated offseason to work with, and an unreal amount of dead wood. Anybody that doesnt see this as a glass half full situation is just looking for reasons for failure. Its the cubs syndrome, were going to suck because we always suck.

 
mbuehner said:
Cant get enough of this thread. Langford just saved you 10 million dollars youd have to spend on Forte, youve got a serviceable backup on the cheap in Carey, Alshon is true WR1, you've got a handful of defensive players including Amos, McFee, and Goldman to build around, and probably your most dynamic player was hurt all season. Oh and thats with one abbreviated offseason to work with, and an unreal amount of dead wood. Anybody that doesnt see this as a glass half full situation is just looking for reasons for failure. Its the cubs syndrome, were going to suck because we always suck.
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Lolz. The Bears won't be in contention for the division title for years.

 
It's the NFL, things can change extremely fast. I don't see this team winning the division over the next three years, but I am confident Fox will have them in the playoffs by 2017~18. The QB at that time will determine how bright the next decade is going to be. I'm hoping they draft a franchise quarterback in the 16 or 17 draft, if one is available. And if the GM thinks one is on the draft board, he better sell the house to get that man.

 
Safe to say Pace had a great draft but blew it in FA. Ball, Royal, and Rolle have all been a waste.

 
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DaveL said:
flapgreen said:
Safe to say Pace had a great draft but blew it in FA. Ball, Royal, and Rolle have all been a waste.
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and McPhee was our best defender.
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Been hurt most of season as well. Had a few good games. I'd say Goldman and Young have been our best defenders.
 
Happy to see guys like Peanut and Allen on a winner at the end of their careers. Much better than being on this loser franchise. And Peanut still making an impact and forcing turnovers

 
Pretty f-ing pitiful... not much else to say. Doing a damn good job of trying to end up at 5-11 which of course will be good for us.

 
I take back all the good things I have said about the team. They suck. Fox should be fired. Start over next year.

 
Loser franchise will always be a loser franchise. Nothing is going to change this pitiful organization. Everyone should be used to it by now

 
Essentially, the team could end up right back at 5 wins again with an even worse record than the most pessimistic people in here predicted. Why do I ever get my hopes up for these losers? I trashed the team for years for good reason. Finally start to try and see the good in the team and they just fail all over again. What a bunch of losers. I don't want to hear any whining from free agents who come to this team. You know what you're getting. Take your money and be happy. You're not winning so get over it.

 
Were we really pessimists if turns out our predictions were pretty accurate?

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Essentially, the team could end up right back at 5 wins again with an even worse record than the most pessimistic people in here predicted.
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RBM said:
I'm going 4-12. My biggest question is what week do I start my "GIMMIE JIMMY" campaign.
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Statcruncher said:
The only way I would ever be happy with 2-14 is if the wins came against GB and the final one was a week 17 win that ended GB's playoff chances. A 6-10 season the next year wouldn't be that hard to swallow, hell that's 1 more win than they had last year, and 1 more win than I expect in 2015. I've been way off base before and will be in the future I'm sure, but IMO the Bears are going to suck in '15/'16 anyway.
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KCitons said:
Over/under is fair at 6 games.
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flapgreen said:
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect 8-8. Better coaching staff and have added some good players.
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Thought this was interesting as well.

flapgreen said:
Lose last 2 and they have chance at top 5 pick
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RBM said:
BEAR DOWN

Sure we will probably get abused by that **** Rodgers and sure we will probably be picking in the top 5 but it's opening day, the grass is green, the sun is shining and we haven't lost yet. So I'm ####in pumped (for now)
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flapgreen said:
This is not a bottom 5 team. Even after the debacle that was last season, the Bears didn't finish in the bottom 5, yet I keep reading how they will get a top 5 pick next year. They're not nearly as bad as they're being made out to be.
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What really makes this thread funny is that the years Chicago's fortunes were on the rise you caught a lot of heat for being their biggest detractor. And apparently at the exact moment they fell off a cliff and you became the glass half full guy. I love you flap, but you're pyscho.

 
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I figured the Bears did the final thing in their power to #### the Packers. They gave it up to the Vikings like a media whore chick gives it up to producers to be on a reality T.V. show. Good for them, they found a way to potentially hurt their rival while improving their draft stock.

 
Statcruncher said:
Were we really pessimists if turns out our predictions were pretty accurate?

flapgreen said:
Essentially, the team could end up right back at 5 wins again with an even worse record than the most pessimistic people in here predicted.
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RBM said:
I'm going 4-12. My biggest question is what week do I start my "GIMMIE JIMMY" campaign.
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Statcruncher said:
The only way I would ever be happy with 2-14 is if the wins came against GB and the final one was a week 17 win that ended GB's playoff chances. A 6-10 season the next year wouldn't be that hard to swallow, hell that's 1 more win than they had last year, and 1 more win than I expect in 2015. I've been way off base before and will be in the future I'm sure, but IMO the Bears are going to suck in '15/'16 anyway.
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KCitons said:
Over/under is fair at 6 games.
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flapgreen said:
I don't think it's unrealistic to expect 8-8. Better coaching staff and have added some good players.
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Thought this was interesting as well.

flapgreen said:
Lose last 2 and they have chance at top 5 pick
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RBM said:
BEAR DOWN

Sure we will probably get abused by that **** Rodgers and sure we will probably be picking in the top 5 but it's opening day, the grass is green, the sun is shining and we haven't lost yet. So I'm ####in pumped (for now)
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flapgreen said:
This is not a bottom 5 team. Even after the debacle that was last season, the Bears didn't finish in the bottom 5, yet I keep reading how they will get a top 5 pick next year. They're not nearly as bad as they're being made out to be.
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What really makes this thread funny is that the years Chicago's fortunes were on the rise you caught a lot of heat for being their biggest detractor. And apparently at the exact moment they fell off a cliff and you became the glass half full guy. I love you flap, but you're pyscho.
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Yeah you're right. I don't handle the ups and downs well. :bag:
 
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Gase has shown that he's not a very good play caller over the last half of the season. Someone go ahead and take him.
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I would say this, the o-line stinks. You have Bennett gone. You have Jeffrey playing at half speed. You are playing fourth and fifth string WRs. Isn't much that you can do with this. Gase is a professional, well-respected offensive mind. We have had a long list of mediocre to awful offensive coordinators. I wouldn't be so fast to shove this guy out the door.

I suspect Gase and Fangio will be gone to head coaching opportunities. Then we will see just how good Fox is.

 
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The one thing I feel some optimism about is that they do have some young talent on this team. I didn't feel that way last year. We hope Kevin White is all he is advertised to be. If they keep Jeffrey, and I think they will, they have a decent pair of receivers. Langford has been decent. Long has struggled, but if he continues to struggle you just move him back to guard and he is a Pro Bowler again. Goldman, Amos, McPhee, Young, and Fuller could be a core to build around defensively. They think they have some talent on the offensive line, despite the struggles. We will see if that is true. But at least the cupboard isn't bare.

 
twistd said:
flapgreen said:
Gase has shown that he's not a very good play caller over the last half of the season. Someone go ahead and take him.
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I would say this, the o-line stinks. You have Bennett gone. You have Jeffrey playing at half speed. You are playing fourth and fifth string WRs. Isn't much that you can do with this. Gase is a professional, well-respected offensive mind. We have had a long list of mediocre to awful offensive coordinators. I wouldn't be so fast to shove this guy out the door. I suspect Gase and Fangio will be gone to head coaching opportunities. Then we will see just how good Fox is.
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Fangio isn't going anywhere. I'm not saying Gase is an awful offensive coordinator, just that it's not going to crush the offense to lose him. His play calling has not been good and teams started figuring it out weeks ago. Injuries or not, they haven't been very good and are in bottom third of league in points and most everything else. He has 3 solid rbs and has all but ditched the run game recently at a time of year when you need to run it. I'm no longer impressed with the guy like I was. I'm sure they'll promote Loggains.
 
twistd said:
The one thing I feel some optimism about is that they do have some young talent on this team. I didn't feel that way last year. We hope Kevin White is all he is advertised to be. If they keep Jeffrey, and I think they will, they have a decent pair of receivers. Langford has been decent. Long has struggled, but if he continues to struggle you just move him back to guard and he is a Pro Bowler again. Goldman, Amos, McPhee, Young, and Fuller could be a core to build around defensively. They think they have some talent on the offensive line, despite the struggles. We will see if that is true. But at least the cupboard isn't bare.
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They are starting to acquire some young talent that could stay around a while. The worrisome thing is the team has gotten worse as the year has went along and is ending on a bad note. That's not a good thing. Every team has injuries.
 
flapgreen said:
twistd said:
flapgreen said:
Gase has shown that he's not a very good play caller over the last half of the season. Someone go ahead and take him.
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I would say this, the o-line stinks. You have Bennett gone. You have Jeffrey playing at half speed. You are playing fourth and fifth string WRs. Isn't much that you can do with this. Gase is a professional, well-respected offensive mind. We have had a long list of mediocre to awful offensive coordinators. I wouldn't be so fast to shove this guy out the door. I suspect Gase and Fangio will be gone to head coaching opportunities. Then we will see just how good Fox is.
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Fangio isn't going anywhere. I'm not saying Gase is an awful offensive coordinator, just that it's not going to crush the offense to lose him. His play calling has not been good and teams started figuring it out weeks ago. Injuries or not, they haven't been very good and are in bottom third of league in points and most everything else. He has 3 solid rbs and has all but ditched the run game recently at a time of year when you need to run it. I'm no longer impressed with the guy like I was. I'm sure they'll promote Loggains.
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I think Fangio will be gone. He has done a masterful job getting this team to a middle of the road defense despite one playmaker on the whole defense. And that playmaker, McPhee, has missed a number of weeks. The prior two years they were putrid. Considering what he had to work with he has done a really good job. I think other NFL teams have seen that and realize how good he is. I hope he stays. I hope they both stay. I think Gase and Fangio are both very good. There have been some pretty good defensive coordinators in Chicago. Examples might be Ron Rivera from 2004-2006, or Marinelli from 2010-2012. But the offensive coordinators have been really bad. The last few were Aaron Kromer, Mike Tice, Mike Martz, Ron Turner, Terry Shea, and John Shoop. That is not exactly a murders row of offensive brainpower. Remember when Lovie picked Martz because no one else wanted the job? I don't want to revisit that. So I would be very happy if the Bears could hold on to Gase.

 
Sad but true state of the Bears over the last few years. Teddy has looked awful over the past month, like really bad. Goes on to have the game of his career against the Bears and have the highest qb rating ever allowed by Bears. Screw this team. Embarrassing franchise

 
twistd said:
flapgreen said:
twistd said:
flapgreen said:
Gase has shown that he's not a very good play caller over the last half of the season. Someone go ahead and take him.
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I would say this, the o-line stinks. You have Bennett gone. You have Jeffrey playing at half speed. You are playing fourth and fifth string WRs. Isn't much that you can do with this. Gase is a professional, well-respected offensive mind. We have had a long list of mediocre to awful offensive coordinators. I wouldn't be so fast to shove this guy out the door. I suspect Gase and Fangio will be gone to head coaching opportunities. Then we will see just how good Fox is.
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Fangio isn't going anywhere. I'm not saying Gase is an awful offensive coordinator, just that it's not going to crush the offense to lose him. His play calling has not been good and teams started figuring it out weeks ago. Injuries or not, they haven't been very good and are in bottom third of league in points and most everything else. He has 3 solid rbs and has all but ditched the run game recently at a time of year when you need to run it. I'm no longer impressed with the guy like I was. I'm sure they'll promote Loggains.
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I think Fangio will be gone. He has done a masterful job getting this team to a middle of the road defense despite one playmaker on the whole defense. And that playmaker, McPhee, has missed a number of weeks. The prior two years they were putrid. Considering what he had to work with he has done a really good job. I think other NFL teams have seen that and realize how good he is. I hope he stays. I hope they both stay. I think Gase and Fangio are both very good. There have been some pretty good defensive coordinators in Chicago. Examples might be Ron Rivera from 2004-2006, or Marinelli from 2010-2012. But the offensive coordinators have been really bad. The last few were Aaron Kromer, Mike Tice, Mike Martz, Ron Turner, Terry Shea, and John Shoop. That is not exactly a murders row of offensive brainpower. Remember when Lovie picked Martz because no one else wanted the job? I don't want to revisit that. So I would be very happy if the Bears could hold on to Gase.
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I don't disagree with any of this. I've just read a lot of places that most don't view Fangio as a head coach
 
They do have some good young guys in place I think. Timu looked good. Amos, Thompson, Goldman, Langford, Carey. White tbd

Need OL and ILBs badly. And a safety

And can we please move on from Shea. He's just terrible at football

 
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Like him or not, Cutler has been the best player on the Bears this year and is probably the most important player going forward.

 
flapgreen said:
Like him or not, Cutler has been the best player on the Bears this year and is probably the most important player going forward.
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I know it's hard to believe, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Unless by most important player going forward you mean him being on a different team's roster, then I agree.

 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-pro-bowl-exclusion-reaction-20151223-story.html

Tracy Porter is shocked that he didn't make the Pro Bowl. I had to reread this twice to make sure I was seeing correctly. Tracy Porter is an average CB, nothing special at all. Yet somehow he believes he belongs in the Pro Bowl? Here is a list of the Pro Bowl corners:

Patrick Petersen-Cards

Richard Sherman-Seahawks

Talib-Broncos

Chris Harris-Broncos

Josh Norman-Panthers

Malcolm Butler-Patriots

Revis-Jets

Marcus Peters-Chiefs

Does anyone besides Porter think he is as good as these guys? Marcus Peters is the weakest of them. But Peters has 7 interceptions to Porters 1. Peters has 58 tackles to Porter's 29. Peters has 23 pass defensed to Porter's 10. Stats wise Peters is far superior to Porter. Do you think that other teams game plan for Porter? It is ridiculous. Porter is not a Pro Bowl player. Pro Football Focus has Porter ranked 56 out of 116. He is not in the top 10 at his position. He is not even in the top 50 at his position. He is not even the top player at his position on his own team. Both Fuller and Bryce Callahan are ranked higher than Porter. The only Bears corner ranked lower than Porter is Ball. Ball is at 65, so he is 9 spots lower than Porter. I think Ball has been awful. Apparently Porter is awesome in his own mind, but nothing on the field would lead you to believe that.

 
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This season has gone the way most experts predicted, a 5 or 6 win team, at best. They did have a shot at making a playoff push, but the league caught on to what they were doing with sub-par talent. Since the '16 draft is lacking a franchise QB, imo, I'm hoping they can draft the future MLB, maybe J. Smith from Notre Dame. That is the biggest issue on the defense, as many have noted. I wouldn't be opposed to them taking a chance on a QB with pick 5-10, wherever it ends up, but it would be a reach, imo.

I think the offense can be turned around fairly quickly(Kevin White will help that, along with a healthy Alshon), although it will never be elite with Cutler under center. The draft will hopefully be used to load up on defensive prospects at LB and in the secondary. 8 wins is my hope for the 2016 season, with a run of playoff teams hopefully following.

 
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