****Official 2015 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread **** (2 Viewers)

[flapgreen]

I think the young guys have performed well, which is really what this season is all about. Still don't think a legit NFL qb will be found in the next draft, which is what our future banks upon.

Yeah because there are a lot of guys out there who would be doing better than Jay right now. You guys are nuts. Half of the team has been out for most of the season and the majority of the starters are brand new and we're still in every game. After the debacle that was last year, you would think fans would be happy with the progress the team has made in such a short time with so many injuries and different players. Sheesh. Everyone knew what we were looking at from the beginning of the season and they have far exceeded what I or anyone else expected.

 

[mbuehner]

I am just absolutely confused as to how a HC with this much experience can destroy a chance for a win. No FG prior to the last drive where a lousy call killed the 2 point conversion. These are the games that make you realize that Fox has his limits.

i was stunned to hear that going for it with 10 min left at the 4 yd line is being critized so widely on sports radio. I was at the game and agreed with the call to go for it at the time and still do today. I personally agreed with fox's post game comments that they were probably not going to get that close tot he GL again and expecting 2 more FG drives was wishful thinking. the 2 pt conversion play is obviously on Jay to pick the right playcall. I think most if not all teams go to the line with a pass play and run play called... jay thought he saw the run play as the better option and it didnt work, not too angry about it unless the coaching staff reviews tape and determines Jay made the incorrect call tot he run

If you premise your decision making on not being able to score touchdowns, why not just give up?

Thats a bad, bad decisions. When you can cut a 2 score game to 1 score, you do it. Especially with that much time left.

 

[mbuehner]

Atta boy Jay, another 2 turnovers. For the season that makes 11 fumbles/INT's to 13 passing TD's. Can't wait until he's gone.

You're seriously putting these losses on Jay? He's the only guy keeping us in the games. Overhauled the entire roster and half of the team has been hurt all year. No one to throw to. How Bennett isn't talked about more I have no idea. Guy has been a complete bum most of the year and has all but quit at this point.

Seriously. Theres a nihilistic part of me that would be excited to see the Jay haters deal with what really bad QBs in this league look like. Speaking of which, Kaepernick ought to be available.

 

[RBM]

I am just absolutely confused as to how a HC with this much experience can destroy a chance for a win. No FG prior to the last drive where a lousy call killed the 2 point conversion. These are the games that make you realize that Fox has his limits.

i was stunned to hear that going for it with 10 min left at the 4 yd line is being critized so widely on sports radio. I was at the game and agreed with the call to go for it at the time and still do today. I personally agreed with fox's post game comments that they were probably not going to get that close tot he GL again and expecting 2 more FG drives was wishful thinking. the 2 pt conversion play is obviously on Jay to pick the right playcall. I think most if not all teams go to the line with a pass play and run play called... jay thought he saw the run play as the better option and it didnt work, not too angry about it unless the coaching staff reviews tape and determines Jay made the incorrect call tot he run

If you premise your decision making on not being able to score touchdowns, why not just give up?

Thats a bad, bad decisions. When you can cut a 2 score game to 1 score, you do it. Especially with that much time left.

17-9 is a one score game. Fox made the right decision going for the TD. FG does nothing in that spot. When you're playing against that good a defense and you're inside the 5 in the final qtr, you go for it.

 

[ditka311]

I think the young guys have performed well, which is really what this season is all about. Still don't think a legit NFL qb will be found in the next draft, which is what our future banks upon.

Yeah because there are a lot of guys out there who would be doing better than Jay right now. You guys are nuts. Half of the team has been out for most of the season and the majority of the starters are brand new and we're still in every game. After the debacle that was last year, you would think fans would be happy with the progress the team has made in such a short time with so many injuries and different players. Sheesh. Everyone knew what we were looking at from the beginning of the season and they have far exceeded what I or anyone else expected.

Well put.

 

[RBM]

I am just absolutely confused as to how a HC with this much experience can destroy a chance for a win. No FG prior to the last drive where a lousy call killed the 2 point conversion. These are the games that make you realize that Fox has his limits.

i was stunned to hear that going for it with 10 min left at the 4 yd line is being critized so widely on sports radio. I was at the game and agreed with the call to go for it at the time and still do today. I personally agreed with fox's post game comments that they were probably not going to get that close tot he GL again and expecting 2 more FG drives was wishful thinking. the 2 pt conversion play is obviously on Jay to pick the right playcall. I think most if not all teams go to the line with a pass play and run play called... jay thought he saw the run play as the better option and it didnt work, not too angry about it unless the coaching staff reviews tape and determines Jay made the incorrect call tot he run

In the end that call did not work out for them and cost them the game. Of course it is easy to want them to go for it while being at the game. The tension mounts up and the anticipated response IF they would have scored would have made for compelling football. With 10 minutes left and a FG on the board, they would have needed a TD to win but there was enough time to get two more possessions so I disagree with what Fox said when he expressed his lack of faith that they would not be able to get down into the red zone again. Great football teams have the confidence to get he ball back to get into scoring position. Denver was not presenting a stifling defense. They were tough but beatable.

That call cost them the game? How would going from 17-9 to 17-12 win them the game? WTF

 

[Power Monster]

I am just absolutely confused as to how a HC with this much experience can destroy a chance for a win. No FG prior to the last drive where a lousy call killed the 2 point conversion. These are the games that make you realize that Fox has his limits.

i was stunned to hear that going for it with 10 min left at the 4 yd line is being critized so widely on sports radio. I was at the game and agreed with the call to go for it at the time and still do today. I personally agreed with fox's post game comments that they were probably not going to get that close tot he GL again and expecting 2 more FG drives was wishful thinking. the 2 pt conversion play is obviously on Jay to pick the right playcall. I think most if not all teams go to the line with a pass play and run play called... jay thought he saw the run play as the better option and it didnt work, not too angry about it unless the coaching staff reviews tape and determines Jay made the incorrect call tot he run

In the end that call did not work out for them and cost them the game. Of course it is easy to want them to go for it while being at the game. The tension mounts up and the anticipated response IF they would have scored would have made for compelling football. With 10 minutes left and a FG on the board, they would have needed a TD to win but there was enough time to get two more possessions so I disagree with what Fox said when he expressed his lack of faith that they would not be able to get down into the red zone again. Great football teams have the confidence to get he ball back to get into scoring position. Denver was not presenting a stifling defense. They were tough but beatable.

That call cost them the game? How would going from 17-9 to 17-12 win them the game? WTF

They lost by 2 points. FGs account for 3 points. You do the math. You can go for it with 10 minutes left instead of hitting a chip shot then resting on a defense that has played well in the past two games to get you the ball back - WHICH THEY DID. A defense at home with a QB making his first start. A defense that held one of the top 5 receivers in the league to less than 75 yards. You can go for it all you want BUT guess what you get. A loss. You struggle to understand this? You go for it when you are inside 3 minutes. Again the Denver defense is very good but they were beatable on Sunday.

17-12 with 10 minutes left in the game. TD makes it 17-19. Not too hard to figure out.

 

[RBM]

Ok ok I gotcha. But it's tough to assume the game follows the same script if they kick the FG.

 

[RBM]

And you're a lot more optimistic than me if you were confident they were going to score a TD at all yesterday. Honestly I was pretty much thinking that was their only shot.

 

[Statcruncher]

I think the young guys have performed well, which is really what this season is all about. Still don't think a legit NFL qb will be found in the next draft, which is what our future banks upon.

Yeah because there are a lot of guys out there who would be doing better than Jay right now. You guys are nuts. Half of the team has been out for most of the season and the majority of the starters are brand new and we're still in every game. After the debacle that was last year, you would think fans would be happy with the progress the team has made in such a short time with so many injuries and different players. Sheesh. Everyone knew what we were looking at from the beginning of the season and they have far exceeded what I or anyone else expected.

See there's where we see things differently.

I see a team that bottomed out last year, but they didn't bite the bullet and go with the full rebuild. Cutler isn't everything that's wrong in Chicago, but he's a big part of it, the most expensive part of it, and the symbol for it in Chicago. He doesn't make his receivers better, he doesn't protect the football, and I don't have proof, but I doubt he's any good at reading defenses or checking into advantageous plays. Chicago has known this for years, yet never seriously got a QB to challenge him. Even after bottoming out last year and knowing a full rebuild was on, they kept him.

So we fans get to keep watching the same old Jay Cutler. The one that sprinkles brilliant throws along with stupid repetitive mistakes that give the ball away like candy. Is anyone really excited anymore when he drops back? For every 1.12 TD's he throws he has 1 turnover. He's crippled this team for years and he continues to do so.

Hell people in here are whining about Fox passing on FG opportunity. On a 1st and 10 play Cutler threw a pick that gave Denver the ball on the Chicago 25. On another 1st and 10 at the Denver 33 (just inside Gould's FG range) Cutler decided to take a nap in the pocket and gave the ball away again. People are whining about the play call on the 2pt attempt. Cutler changed the play at the line on that as well. Did he correctly read the defense and check into the correct call?

I'm not saying there's currently a better QB available than Cutler, but IMO that's not really what's needed. They simply need anyone else but Cutler. IMO it's far easier to watch a true rebuilding team go 2-14 knowing that they're improving than watching a half ### rebuild go 6-10 knowing that the most important role on the team is still fundamentally flawed and a self limiting factor. The worst thing that could happen is the Bears somehow win 6 or 7 games this year and roll into next year with Cutler on the roster. I'm sure that's a nightmare for Fox, potentially being added to the list of coaches/coordinators that Cutler got fired.

By the way, be thankful for the pathetic AFC West. Without them the Bears would have only 1 win.

 

[iamkoza]

I am just absolutely confused as to how a HC with this much experience can destroy a chance for a win. No FG prior to the last drive where a lousy call killed the 2 point conversion. These are the games that make you realize that Fox has his limits.

i was stunned to hear that going for it with 10 min left at the 4 yd line is being critized so widely on sports radio. I was at the game and agreed with the call to go for it at the time and still do today. I personally agreed with fox's post game comments that they were probably not going to get that close tot he GL again and expecting 2 more FG drives was wishful thinking. the 2 pt conversion play is obviously on Jay to pick the right playcall. I think most if not all teams go to the line with a pass play and run play called... jay thought he saw the run play as the better option and it didnt work, not too angry about it unless the coaching staff reviews tape and determines Jay made the incorrect call tot he run

In the end that call did not work out for them and cost them the game. Of course it is easy to want them to go for it while being at the game. The tension mounts up and the anticipated response IF they would have scored would have made for compelling football. With 10 minutes left and a FG on the board, they would have needed a TD to win but there was enough time to get two more possessions so I disagree with what Fox said when he expressed his lack of faith that they would not be able to get down into the red zone again. Great football teams have the confidence to get he ball back to get into scoring position. Denver was not presenting a stifling defense. They were tough but beatable.

That call cost them the game? How would going from 17-9 to 17-12 win them the game? WTF

They lost by 2 points. FGs account for 3 points. You do the math. You can go for it with 10 minutes left instead of hitting a chip shot then resting on a defense that has played well in the past two games to get you the ball back - WHICH THEY DID. A defense at home with a QB making his first start. A defense that held one of the top 5 receivers in the league to less than 75 yards. You can go for it all you want BUT guess what you get. A loss. You struggle to understand this? You go for it when you are inside 3 minutes. Again the Denver defense is very good but they were beatable on Sunday.

17-12 with 10 minutes left in the game. TD makes it 17-19. Not too hard to figure out.

way to be a #### about a perfectly defensibly decision to go for the TD. You are flat out lying if you believed the bears Offense was going to drive the field and have another goal to go chance to score a TD in the final 10 minutes. I sure as hell didnt think it would happen... it took 15 PI calls on martellus bennett's flailing defenders to even make the langford TD possible... driving for two FG's in less than 10 minutes also unreasonable in my mind.

the only way the bears O even advanced the football was having Jay do an Aaron rodgers impression by extending plays moving in the pocket waiting for coverage to finally breakdown.

 

[BoulderBob]

We ain't winning #### with Cutler, don't care what we look like without him. It's time to move on. He's earned a shot to start with a bottom feeder franchise after this year, that's it. It's time to build around someone else.

 

[BoulderBob]

...and yes, I fully realize the grass isn't always greener. But Cutler ain't green, he's dirty brown.

 

[BoulderBob]

One last point, of course he has performed as a decent quarterback with no expectations at all this year. With pressure? He's a bum, always will be, to think otherwise is insane. I've seen this bum play long enough to know he ain't the future of the Bears, and if he is, this team is doomed

 

[flapgreen]

We ain't winning #### with Cutler, don't care what we look like without him. It's time to move on. He's earned a shot to start with a bottom feeder franchise after this year, that's it. It's time to build around someone else.

You want Cutler gone but don't care what we loom like without him? Sorry but that's not how teams operate. They're not going to get rid of a qb for the sake of getting rid of him when there's nothing better.

 

[saintfool]

We ain't winning #### with Cutler, don't care what we look like without him. It's time to move on. He's earned a shot to start with a bottom feeder franchise after this year, that's it. It's time to build around someone else.

You want Cutler gone but don't care what we loom like without him? Sorry but that's not how teams operate. They're not going to get rid of a qb for the sake of getting rid of him when there's nothing better.

Exactly. That's why we signed Cutler to the extension to begin with. There wasn't anything on the market to replace him.

 

[Power Monster]

I am just absolutely confused as to how a HC with this much experience can destroy a chance for a win. No FG prior to the last drive where a lousy call killed the 2 point conversion. These are the games that make you realize that Fox has his limits.

i was stunned to hear that going for it with 10 min left at the 4 yd line is being critized so widely on sports radio. I was at the game and agreed with the call to go for it at the time and still do today. I personally agreed with fox's post game comments that they were probably not going to get that close tot he GL again and expecting 2 more FG drives was wishful thinking. the 2 pt conversion play is obviously on Jay to pick the right playcall. I think most if not all teams go to the line with a pass play and run play called... jay thought he saw the run play as the better option and it didnt work, not too angry about it unless the coaching staff reviews tape and determines Jay made the incorrect call tot he run

In the end that call did not work out for them and cost them the game. Of course it is easy to want them to go for it while being at the game. The tension mounts up and the anticipated response IF they would have scored would have made for compelling football. With 10 minutes left and a FG on the board, they would have needed a TD to win but there was enough time to get two more possessions so I disagree with what Fox said when he expressed his lack of faith that they would not be able to get down into the red zone again. Great football teams have the confidence to get he ball back to get into scoring position. Denver was not presenting a stifling defense. They were tough but beatable.

That call cost them the game? How would going from 17-9 to 17-12 win them the game? WTF

They lost by 2 points. FGs account for 3 points. You do the math. You can go for it with 10 minutes left instead of hitting a chip shot then resting on a defense that has played well in the past two games to get you the ball back - WHICH THEY DID. A defense at home with a QB making his first start. A defense that held one of the top 5 receivers in the league to less than 75 yards. You can go for it all you want BUT guess what you get. A loss. You struggle to understand this? You go for it when you are inside 3 minutes. Again the Denver defense is very good but they were beatable on Sunday.

17-12 with 10 minutes left in the game. TD makes it 17-19. Not too hard to figure out.

way to be a #### about a perfectly defensibly decision to go for the TD. You are flat out lying if you believed the bears Offense was going to drive the field and have another goal to go chance to score a TD in the final 10 minutes. I sure as hell didnt think it would happen... it took 15 PI calls on martellus bennett's flailing defenders to even make the langford TD possible... driving for two FG's in less than 10 minutes also unreasonable in my mind.

the only way the bears O even advanced the football was having Jay do an Aaron rodgers impression by extending plays moving in the pocket waiting for coverage to finally breakdown.

Wait - so you are calling me names including a liar over a stupid game? A game they lost because of lousy coaching? When you play great defenses you take the points. ESPECIALLY with ten minutes left.

Perfectly defensible position? Ohhh yeah I see, Well we should have never been down here at the goal line against this great defense at all so we might as well just go for it. Afterall, our offense has sucked all day long and they are just such a great defense. We must have been fortunate so MAYBE just maybe by some dumb luck we will fool the best defense in the NFL with a 4th and goal. No way are we going to get the ball back and get into the red zone. NO WAY.

This is a LOSER mentality. There is no strategic thinking with this type of view. You come into the game thinking you will lose and guess what - you lose the game. This is the problem with losing teams. They have a loser mentality. When you have a team with a winning mentality there is confidence throughout the entire team that they will find a way to win the game. Pass interference calls are made for a reason. The Denver defense was getting tired. It was cold out there and the stadium was starting to block the sun which makes it colder. Cutler extending plays is exactly what it takes to put teams away at home late in the 4th quarter. You sense a weariness in a defense on the road you exploit it. Every great QB in the NFL has and continues to exploit this strategy. This is what they did to score their late TD but unfortunately they did not have enough time nor did they have enough points. They did not want to take the 3 points when they had a chance. They lose the game. It is lousy coaching and it is directly on Fox. This is why Fox finds himself bouncing around the league. A win at home vs. Denver would have been great. Too bad the losing just continues.

As far as taking shots at me over a game they lost - go sell your tough boy routine somewhere else. This organization will never reach elite status with a loser mentality. Not my fault. They lost because they continue to shoot themselves in the foot. Go shin kick and pull hair with someone else if you cannot understand this.

 

[flapgreen]

M.Wilson, Josh Bellamy, Marc Marriani, Cam Meredith, Martellus Bennet,& Zach Miller vs the #1 ranked D in NFL-

 

[DaveL]

White back to practice today, would be nice to get a 4-5 game sampling on what he brings. Looking forward to it.

 

[flapgreen]

Hasn't been talked about much but Fangio has done a hell of a job on defense with this band of losers.

 

[flapgreen]

White back to practice today, would be nice to get a 4-5 game sampling on what he brings. Looking forward to it.

I doubt they activate him.

 

[DaveL]

White back to practice today, would be nice to get a 4-5 game sampling on what he brings. Looking forward to it.

I doubt they activate him.

rather be optimistic

 

[flapgreen]

Just going by what everyone is saying and how far along he is in his rehab. They'll want to protect their first round pick. Still probably the most disappointing thing this season. Another first round pick who hasn't contributed anything when we desperately needed a wr

 

[flapgreen]

#Bears have lost 6 straight NFC North games overall and 5 straight on the road. Last NFC-N road win was in GB in 2013 when Rodgers got hurt.

 

[Statcruncher]

#Bears have lost 6 straight NFC North games overall and 5 straight on the road. Last NFC-N road win was in GB in 2013 when Rodgers got McClellinated.

To be honest I'm kinda shocked to read that. Hard to believe it's only been 6 straight, seems like a lot more than that lol.

 

[flapgreen]

Agreed

 

[flapgreen]

It sounds as if #Bears WR Alshon Jeffery and RB Matt Forte should both be good to go Thursday night against the #Packers.

 

[Bobtender]

It sounds as if #Bears WR Alshon Jeffery and RB Matt Forte should both be good to go Thursday night against the #Packers.

Where did you get that?

 

[Bobtender]

It sounds as if #Bears WR Alshon Jeffery and RB Matt Forte should both be good to go Thursday night against the #Packers.

Where did you get that?

Per Rotoworld:

Alshon Jeffery (shoulder, groin) was limited in Tuesday's practice.

It's an upgrade on last week, where Jeffery sat out Thursday and Friday's practices. Nevertheless, his status for Thursday night's game against the Packers remains highly murky. Our best guess is that Jeffery will sit again. If he does suit up, he'll be a boom-or-bust WR2 as a possible decoy. Nov 24 - 3:26 PM

Source: Jeff Dickerson on Twitter

 

[flapgreen]

From Bears guy. Read quite a few quotes from Alshon saying he's playing, along with most of the other Bears writers.

 

[flapgreen]

It sounds as if #Bears WR Alshon Jeffery and RB Matt Forte should both be good to go Thursday night against the #Packers.

Where did you get that?

Per Rotoworld:Alshon Jeffery (shoulder, groin) was limited in Tuesday's practice.

It's an upgrade on last week, where Jeffery sat out Thursday and Friday's practices. Nevertheless, his status for Thursday night's game against the Packers remains highly murky. Our best guess is that Jeffery will sit again. If he does suit up, he'll be a boom-or-bust WR2 as a possible decoy. Nov 24 - 3:26 PM

Source: Jeff Dickerson on Twitter

The second paragraph is Rotos usual bull####. He was limited in practice but was expected to be.

 

[Power Monster]

Forte and AJ in this game would be great. A win here would wash away a lot of the bad taste. The Pack just ignited on the Vikings so they look dangerous and the last thing they want is a loss at home vs. their rival on the night they kiss and make up with number 4. It would be great to see the Bears spoil things. A win for the Packers would give them 2 division wins in 5 days. This is how they roll. Maybe the Bears can get there some day soon.

 

[flapgreen]

Bears will win

 

[flapgreen]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-football/7/71/1129203/stop-packers-qb-aaron-rodgers-bears-need-hit-bleep

 

[Statcruncher]

Lol at the key to the game being hitting Aaron Rodgers, like no one ever thought of that or tried it before. I agree the key to this game is the QB, but not Green Bay's. In his 11 times facing GB as a Bear Cutler has thrown 14 TD's and 22 INT's.

A win here would wash away a lot of the bad taste. The Pack just ignited on the Vikings so they look dangerous and the last thing they want is a loss at home vs. their rival on the night they kiss and make up with number 4. It would be great to see the Bears spoil things.

This is spot on, but not expecting it.

 

[flapgreen]

#Bears TE Martellus Bennett (ribs, out vs Packers) did practice in a limited fashion yesterday. He stayed out late afterward, too.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Forte's going to play, right?

 

[flapgreen]

Yes

 

[flapgreen]

YEAH #####ES!

 

[RBM]

Amazing win. So great on doosh Favre night.

What a difference a big time coach makes.

 

[Power Monster]

Amazing what a big win on a rival can do for an organization. Have to give it to Cutler, the defense, the OL and the coaching staff. Team win. They hit rock bottom and the light went on this season. I am impressed by the OL and the defense. There is still work but vast improvement.

 

[Ditkaless Wonders]

A good morning to be a Bear's fan, no doubt. I'm a Packer fan so not so much. Congrats to the Bears.

 

[flapgreen]

A good morning to be a Bear's fan, no doubt. I'm a Packer fan so not so much. Congrats to the Bears.

thanks man

 

[flapgreen]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-k7smcGqyS/

 

[Papa John's]

https://www.instagram.com/p/-k7smcGqyS/

That's awesome. So glad we are finally becoming a "Team" again. These guys look like they are really believing and having fun again. Nice.

 

[RBM]

Just been so impressed with Gase and Fangio. I had high hopes for Fangio but knew the D would struggle because of lack of talent for new system, but Gase I was not excited about. Thought he may have been riding Manning's coat tails. But wow I just can't believe how perfect some of these game plans have been. Cutler is really a different QB this year. NEVER thought that was even remotely possible.

 

[flapgreen]

No one did

 

[saintfool]

good win for Fox and company. they've been grinding out games pretty much every week. it's nice to see it ending with a W. Fox has the guys working hard regardless.

 

[MDSkinner]

Am I insane to think that there is a legit shot at making the playoffs this year? It may just be happy thoughts after winning in Lambeau but the ROS looks to me like 9-7 could be achievable. And given where the rest of the NFC is, that could be enough.

 

[flapgreen]

They have a shot but need to win out.