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****Official 2015 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread **** (1 Viewer)

Like him or not, Cutler has been the best player on the Bears this year and is probably the most important player going forward.
I know it's hard to believe, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Unless by most important player going forward you mean him being on a different team's roster, then I agree.
I think I read he's the only starting QB in league with no games with more than 1 interception. And almost none of his interceptions were terrible throws into double/triple coverage. How much more do you want from the guy? It's a big change from the old Cutler. That's a good thing.
 
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/football/bears/ct-pro-bowl-exclusion-reaction-20151223-story.html

Tracy Porter is shocked that he didn't make the Pro Bowl. I had to reread this twice to make sure I was seeing correctly. Tracy Porter is an average CB, nothing special at all. Yet somehow he believes he belongs in the Pro Bowl? Here is a list of the Pro Bowl corners:

Patrick Petersen-Cards

Richard Sherman-Seahawks

Talib-Broncos

Chris Harris-Broncos

Josh Norman-Panthers

Malcolm Butler-Patriots

Revis-Jets

Marcus Peters-Chiefs

Does anyone besides Porter think he is as good as these guys? Marcus Peters is the weakest of them. But Peters has 7 interceptions to Porters 1. Peters has 58 tackles to Porter's 29. Peters has 23 pass defensed to Porter's 10. Stats wise Peters is far superior to Porter. Do you think that other teams game plan for Porter? It is ridiculous. Porter is not a Pro Bowl player. Pro Football Focus has Porter ranked 56 out of 116. He is not in the top 10 at his position. He is not even in the top 50 at his position. He is not even the top player at his position on his own team. Both Fuller and Bryce Callahan are ranked higher than Porter. The only Bears corner ranked lower than Porter is Ball. Ball is at 65, so he is 9 spots lower than Porter. I think Ball has been awful. Apparently Porter is awesome in his own mind, but nothing on the field would lead you to believe that.
Porter has been very good this year and shut down some good players. Pretty great for a 1 year trial guy. They'll re-sign him in offseason and he'll start next year. He's not far from those guys this year either. Look at their defenses and look at his. It's a lot easier when the D around you is really good.
 
This season has gone the way most experts predicted, a 5 or 6 win team, at best. They did have a shot at making a playoff push, but the league caught on to what they were doing with sub-par talent. Since the '16 draft is lacking a franchise QB, imo, I'm hoping they can draft the future MLB, maybe J. Smith from Notre Dame. That is the biggest issue on the defense, as many have noted. I wouldn't be opposed to them taking a chance on a QB with pick 5-10, wherever it ends up, but it would be a reach, imo.

I think the offense can be turned around fairly quickly(Kevin White will help that, along with a healthy Alshon), although it will never be elite with Cutler under center. The draft will hopefully be used to load up on defensive prospects at LB and in the secondary. 8 wins is my hope for the 2016 season, with a run of playoff teams hopefully following.
Dude Cutler has done everything he could for this offense this year. No one else coming in is going to do nearly as well. Terrible OL. Leading league in holding penalties. Most of wrs have been hurt the entire year. Absolutely no speed at wr and none of the receivers can get open. Most of the Bears good plays on offense this year have been from things he's created. I can't believe you guys can't see that. Cutler finally cuts down on the mistakes and you guys still want to run him out.
 
Nice garbage win and beating Lovie was sweet, but now we've dropped down from #10 in the draft order, pending the results from the Rams (won 23-17), Saints (won 38-27) & Giants (tonight) games.

The DeForest Buckner watch begins. Want.

 
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Pretty solid defensive effort today. And nice rushing attack. That's the formula Fox is looking for.

 
Like him or not, Cutler has been the best player on the Bears this year and is probably the most important player going forward.
I know it's hard to believe, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Unless by most important player going forward you mean him being on a different team's roster, then I agree.
I think I read he's the only starting QB in league with no games with more than 1 interception. And almost none of his interceptions were terrible throws into double/triple coverage. How much more do you want from the guy? It's a big change from the old Cutler. That's a good thing.
It is a big change from old Cutler, and you know what? He still sucks. He's thrown 18 TD's and has 13 INT's/lost fumbles. Yes, he's currently at the lowest INT % of his career, but he's also at the lowest TD % of his career.

The thing that makes Cutler an amazing QB is his confidence and don't care attitude that have him trying to cram the football into any coverage. Along with incredible TD's, that also results in backbreaking turnovers. Cutler has proven he can't amplify the good and/or diminish the bad, it's all or nothing. It's not shocking that the 2 years he led the league in INT's were his 2 highest TD years as well.

He's had years to prove he can improve/change, but he hasn't or can't. He can either let it all hang out and get TD's/INT's in droves, or he can try to reign himself in and watch both the TD's/INT's dry up. Neither mode will take the Bears anywhere. When you say your QB is playing well through 14 games yet he only has 5 more passing TD's than turnovers you're not going anywhere.

Bite the bullet, save some cash, and admit it's a full rebuild instead of paying $15 million to a guy who is and always will be what he's been for the last decade. It's not so much that I think there is someone out there right now that can outperform Cutler, it's that every snap Cutler takes puts off the evaluation process of possible QB's. Let's be honest, it's a long and painful process to find a winning or franchise QB and the Bears haven't even started.

 
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Like him or not, Cutler has been the best player on the Bears this year and is probably the most important player going forward.
I know it's hard to believe, but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Unless by most important player going forward you mean him being on a different team's roster, then I agree.
I think I read he's the only starting QB in league with no games with more than 1 interception. And almost none of his interceptions were terrible throws into double/triple coverage. How much more do you want from the guy? It's a big change from the old Cutler. That's a good thing.
The thing that makes Cutler an amazing QB is his.
:lmao: A what?

 
Good luck finding someone better. He's been the mvp of this team this year.
I'm actually here to admit he should be our QB next year but only because I just don't see how we find someone better. It's amazing how few good QBs there are.

If there was one backup I'd love to get it would be Derrick Anderson away from Carolina. He has proven whenever he gets an opportunity that he deserves another chance to start in this league.

 
In spite of Bobblehead's big arm, he is garbage going downtown. I hear RG III and Kaepernick should be available...

;P

Both still young and moldable.

 
Man how thankful are the Jets that the Bears are just really bad at everything. Look at the position he has the Jets in. Playoffs, capable of beating probably any team, made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like a star.

101/1376/13. And we had no use for him because he was frustrated.

This is why we'll always be losers.

 
Man how thankful are the Jets that the Bears are just really bad at everything. Look at the position he has the Jets in. Playoffs, capable of beating probably any team, made Ryan Fitzpatrick look like a star.

101/1376/13. And we had no use for him because he was frustrated.

This is why we'll always be losers.
They did not want Olsen as well. He did not fit in with the genius's strategic objective although a real genius would have found a way to capitalize on his talent.

 
If Gase leaves, you may as well dump Cutler. He could cycle through OC's again like he has done since coming to Chicago.

If they keep Cutler, they had better invest in OL help.

 
If Gase leaves, you may as well dump Cutler. He could cycle through OC's again like he has done since coming to Chicago.

If they keep Cutler, they had better invest in OL help.
If we lose Gase, my first choice would be the SD head coach McCoy whoi think loses his job. I believe he was Fox's OC before Gase, and hasn't worked out as a HC.
 
Cutler is what he is, a decent QB in a league that doesn't have many. I think the guy will get better with age, and I do think he can take a team, with the prerequisite surrounding talent, to the Super Bowl. Hell, they should have been there in 2010.

Franchise Alshon and make him earn that long term/big signing bonus deal. Get Kevin White healthy, and grab a good OL with the significant amount of cap room the Bears have. The offense shouldn't be a problem next year.

Biggest issue, draft a stud at DE/LB/S with the number 10-12 pick, or trade up for one. They need an impact player out there next to McPhee. Easier said than done, but they have the cap space to go out and improve this defense. It doesn't need to be elite, as I believe the offense can win games, but it needs to be much improved.

Looking forward to the off-season and the moves the GM is going to make. A good GM can have this team fighting for 10 wins next season, time will tell.

Also, much respect to Matt Forte, been a pleasure to watch the past 8 years, what a talent. Would love to see him go to a contender and have one last great season. He deserves that.

 
Seems like they have had to fill a lot of holes for many years. They are stuck with Cutler. They never had the vision to draft a true NFL backup as insurance. With the gaps they have with their defense they cannot afford to fix the defense and draft the future QB. If there were any doubts about the incompetency of this organization this season has magnified the holes. There were some decent pluses but the results overall are pathetic. This home record debacle is pathetic. This team needs to hit on an uber talented defensive play maker that can make a difference in this draft. They cannot afford to trade up. They need picks. I would be happy if they fixed the linebacker Corp and bolstered the OL. They better hope that they get White back and Langford produces like a number 1. Dark ages roll on. Watching this team is like watching the walking dead. Someone pour Virginia another pink squirrel

 
If Gase leaves, you may as well dump Cutler. He could cycle through OC's again like he has done since coming to Chicago.

If they keep Cutler, they had better invest in OL help.
If we lose Gase, my first choice would be the SD head coach McCoy whoi think loses his job. I believe he was Fox's OC before Gase, and hasn't worked out as a HC.
I would be ok with this or maybe even Dowell Loggains, for the sake of continuity. Fox seems to be good at finding coordinators. Would be nice to see what Fangio (or hell, even Gase) could do with actual talent.

 
If Gase leaves, you may as well dump Cutler. He could cycle through OC's again like he has done since coming to Chicago.

If they keep Cutler, they had better invest in OL help.
If we lose Gase, my first choice would be the SD head coach McCoy whoi think loses his job. I believe he was Fox's OC before Gase, and hasn't worked out as a HC.
I'd prefer promoting Loggains.
 
Seems like they have had to fill a lot of holes for many years. They are stuck with Cutler. They never had the vision to draft a true NFL backup as insurance. With the gaps they have with their defense they cannot afford to fix the defense and draft the future QB. If there were any doubts about the incompetency of this organization this season has magnified the holes. There were some decent pluses but the results overall are pathetic. This home record debacle is pathetic. This team needs to hit on an uber talented defensive play maker that can make a difference in this draft. They cannot afford to trade up. They need picks. I would be happy if they fixed the linebacker Corp and bolstered the OL. They better hope that they get White back and Langford produces like a number 1. Dark ages roll on. Watching this team is like watching the walking dead. Someone pour Virginia another pink squirrel
I'm actually happy with the direction they're headed now.
 
If Gase leaves, you may as well dump Cutler. He could cycle through OC's again like he has done since coming to Chicago.

If they keep Cutler, they had better invest in OL help.
If we lose Gase, my first choice would be the SD head coach McCoy whoi think loses his job. I believe he was Fox's OC before Gase, and hasn't worked out as a HC.
I'd prefer promoting Loggains.
Personally rather have a guy that's done it before. Has Loggains?

 
Yes. Was OC in Tennessee one year. Well known for working with qbs. Already familiar with the current system and Cutler. I'd say Loggains has done just as much for Cutler as Gase. McCoy may be good but bringing in another OC with another system may not work as well.

 
Yes. Was OC in Tennessee one year. Well known for working with qbs. Already familiar with the current system and Cutler. I'd say Loggains has done just as much for Cutler as Gase. McCoy may be good but bringing in another OC with another system may not work as well.
Not just McCoy is a consideration, but Whisenhunt is an option too. I think I would prefer a former head coach. Whiz and McCoy both would probably be good choices. It is a pleasant change to know that the Bears will be able to attract some of the top choices. I'm not thrilled with the first year of John Fox, but I am pleased that they are able to put a first class coaching staff on the field. Gase is almost certainly going to be gone, and there is a possibility that Fangio will be gone too. But as long as Fox is the head coach they should be able to attract some very capable coordinators, and position coaches.

 
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Seems like they have had to fill a lot of holes for many years. They are stuck with Cutler. They never had the vision to draft a true NFL backup as insurance. With the gaps they have with their defense they cannot afford to fix the defense and draft the future QB. If there were any doubts about the incompetency of this organization this season has magnified the holes. There were some decent pluses but the results overall are pathetic. This home record debacle is pathetic. This team needs to hit on an uber talented defensive play maker that can make a difference in this draft. They cannot afford to trade up. They need picks. I would be happy if they fixed the linebacker Corp and bolstered the OL. They better hope that they get White back and Langford produces like a number 1. Dark ages roll on. Watching this team is like watching the walking dead. Someone pour Virginia another pink squirrel
I'm actually happy with the direction they're headed now.
I think it is a mixed bag. The defense improved from 30th to 16th. Considering the lack of playmakers on the defense that was a major accomplishment. Cutler had his best season as a Bear. The offensive line didn't play very well, but the organization seems to think that they have some young players who can grow in to solid players. Long should be better with experience. I think Grasu was terrible, but he was a rookie. They have White who they hope will be a playmaker. If they can re-sign Jeffrey they could have pretty solid pair of receivers, or hopefully they will. There is some young talent on this team to build around.

On the other hand, the Bears improved by only one game over last year, and last year was a disaster. The offensive line was really not good. Zach Miller was solid but I think Bennett will be gone. So they will need a TE. This year demonstrated that they have no depth at WR. They paid Royal way too much money, and he is a mediocre player. We have to see if they can sign Jeffrey to a reasonable contract. They have Goldman who looks like a player but they need DEs, and another nose tackle. Their ILBs suck. Porter was decent, but he thinks he is a Pro Bowl player. I wouldn't mind re-signing him if you can sign him for a reasonable contract. They still need help at corner, and they need a safety. There are a lot of holes.

This team didn't quit, which is good. They won some tough games, but they lost to some weak teams, and they couldn't win at home. I don't think Fox did a particularly good job of coaching this season. He needs to do a better job next year.

 
Yes. Was OC in Tennessee one year. Well known for working with qbs. Already familiar with the current system and Cutler. I'd say Loggains has done just as much for Cutler as Gase. McCoy may be good but bringing in another OC with another system may not work as well.
Not just McCoy is a consideration, but Whisenhunt is an option too. I think I would prefer a former head coach. Whiz and McCoy both would probably be good choices. It is a pleasant change to know that the Bears will be able to attract some of the top choices. I'm not thrilled with the first year of John Fox, but I am pleased that they are able to put a first class coaching staff on the field. Gase is almost certainly going to be gone, and there is a possibility that Fangio will be gone too. But as long as Fox is the head coach they should be able to attract some very capable coordinators, and position coaches.
OK, my dreams of McCoy are dashed quickly. Plenty of other options out there, I just liked that one.
 
flapgreen said:
Hell no at Whiz. He is the worst. Had witness that turd running things here in Nashville. Horrible
A lot of guys are good coordinators but not good head coaches. Norv Turner is a prime example. Whiz would be a good OC, IMO. I like the idea of former head coaches on the staff.

 
The good news, the Bears have at least $50 million of cap space, second only to the Raiders. The bad news, Pace's first class of free agents left a lot to be desired. McPhee was solid, but Rolle, Royal, and Ball were not. He has to do a much better job this offseason.

 
That Royal signing never made sense from day one. Just terrible.
I partially disagree, I think the contract they signed him to was horrible. Overpaid and guaranteed, so regardless of if he can get healthy, we are stuck with him. However, on paper, I think a WR core of:

Alshon Jeffery

Kevin White (assuming he is anywhere near as good as he looked)

Eddie Royal

Marquis Wilson

Marc Mariani

Josh Bellamy

Cameron Merideth

Deonte Thompson

Is actually pretty damn good. Now yes, this assumes Alshon is willing to stay in Chicago and Kevin White can actually play/not permanently injured. But that could give us two good to great starters, a vet inside guy who I've watched for years and really does catch the ball well. Marquis is not a starter, but had a couple good games when he was in there early in the year, and looked like in a pinch could replace one of the starters for a week or two. And Mariani and Bellamy are the first time in my personal bears history when players not listed as starters actually made significant catches. Mariani had a bunch of critical third down catches where years past, I can't remember the names of the guys, but when they'd come in, try to throw to them, it was pretty much guaranteed to be dropped. This last week we started our WR5/6/7 and still found a way to put up 250 yards of passing (only 30 of those came from the RB's)! While our WR5/6/7 are not going to win us many games, that's pretty impressive to me.

 
The good news, the Bears have at least $50 million of cap space, second only to the Raiders. The bad news, Pace's first class of free agents left a lot to be desired. McPhee was solid, but Rolle, Royal, and Ball were not. He has to do a much better job this offseason.
That's even a pretty conservative number, the cap is projected by a most I've heard to be at least 150M, giving us $55M in space, and that's before we get back up to $12M if we cut:

Bushrod (4.3M) - This has to happen, can't pay a guy 8M to sit on the bench

Rolle (3M) - I hope this will happen, but I expect it won't

Bennett (5.1M) - I hope they can work this out, but most reporters seem to think he will be gone

So that gives us ~65M in cap space that I'm not even sure how we will be able to use. Jeffery will take about 13M, Porter 6M??(complete guess just can't afford to lose him). Don't think we have any more higher priced resignings besides their decision on Forte. (who I still say to keep especially since we have some much room)

40M to spend in FA, easily leaves us room for one top shelf, OLB, S, DE, a couple mid priced guys, Guard, ILB, with room left to fill out some holes.

But yeah, better have learned some lessons on a couple of the bums they brought in last season.

 
That Royal signing never made sense from day one. Just terrible.
I guess that was part of the remediation plan for trading a top 5 receiver away. One of the Denver cast offs must have convinced the GM to roll with that plan with the hope that the Cutler and Royal magic would re-ignite again. Maybe a lesson learned for the new GM....

 
Bears have the 11th pick and 9 picks overall. I would love to see them find a way do get some more picks if they can. The more picks the better since there are a ton of holes to fill. Forte may not be here next year and who knows what's going to happen to Jeffery. I think they will franchise Jeffery. Bennett will be gone. The entire defense needs to be replaced or filled with more depth.

I'd like to see them pick a good OT early in the draft so Long can go back to OG. If a good QB or WR becomes available in the middle to late parts of the draft then I could see picking one. Other than that i should all be defense. I'm not sure I would even care what position comes first, just take the best available.

 
flapgreen said:
Hell no at Whiz. He is the worst. Had witness that turd running things here in Nashville. Horrible
A lot of guys are good coordinators but not good head coaches. Norv Turner is a prime example. Whiz would be a good OC, IMO. I like the idea of former head coaches on the staff.
He ran the offense in Tennessee. It's wasn't on the oc
 
The Tick said:
That Royal signing never made sense from day one. Just terrible.
I partially disagree, I think the contract they signed him to was horrible. Overpaid and guaranteed, so regardless of if he can get healthy, we are stuck with him. However, on paper, I think a WR core of:

Alshon Jeffery

Kevin White (assuming he is anywhere near as good as he looked)

Eddie Royal

Marquis Wilson

Marc Mariani

Josh Bellamy

Cameron Merideth

Deonte Thompson

Is actually pretty damn good. Now yes, this assumes Alshon is willing to stay in Chicago and Kevin White can actually play/not permanently injured. But that could give us two good to great starters, a vet inside guy who I've watched for years and really does catch the ball well. Marquis is not a starter, but had a couple good games when he was in there early in the year, and looked like in a pinch could replace one of the starters for a week or two. And Mariani and Bellamy are the first time in my personal bears history when players not listed as starters actually made significant catches. Mariani had a bunch of critical third down catches where years past, I can't remember the names of the guys, but when they'd come in, try to throw to them, it was pretty much guaranteed to be dropped. This last week we started our WR5/6/7 and still found a way to put up 250 yards of passing (only 30 of those came from the RB's)! While our WR5/6/7 are not going to win us many games, that's pretty impressive to me.
i liked Mariani in the slot. as a ST guy in the league, he's not afraid to take a hit as well as moves well in. he's not big but he's damn quick on his feet. i was surprised how good his hands were.

 
Mariani always plays scared when returning kicks but looks very comfortable at wr. It's odd. I was ready for them to get rid of him.

 
The good news, the Bears have at least $50 million of cap space, second only to the Raiders. The bad news, Pace's first class of free agents left a lot to be desired. McPhee was solid, but Rolle, Royal, and Ball were not. He has to do a much better job this offseason.
They may not have ended up contributing much but all of the contracts were cap friendly. None will hurt the team long-term, which is pretty much the opposite of Emery's contracts. He took a chance on some guys but didn't risk a lot to do so. Pace has already said don't expect a big signing with all of the cap space. It will be spread around.

 
Hawkeye21 said:
Bears have the 11th pick and 9 picks overall. I would love to see them find a way do get some more picks if they can. The more picks the better since there are a ton of holes to fill. Forte may not be here next year and who knows what's going to happen to Jeffery. I think they will franchise Jeffery. Bennett will be gone. The entire defense needs to be replaced or filled with more depth.

I'd like to see them pick a good OT early in the draft so Long can go back to OG. If a good QB or WR becomes available in the middle to late parts of the draft then I could see picking one. Other than that i should all be defense. I'm not sure I would even care what position comes first, just take the best available.
Agreed - they need picks and they would get a better value harvest if they focus on replenishing and adding to these picks in subsequent years. Obviously - the real payoff is in the talent evaluation.

Agree that they need to fix their lines and helping that linebacker group would be a priority. Forte? Would love to see him back but at what cost. They have to be realistic with the dollars vs. the ROI based on his age.

 
That Royal signing never made sense from day one. Just terrible.
The problem with the Royal signing is the contract. He is a much better slot receiver than they had on the team at the time. He is a decent player, they just paid him way too much. I would say that Cecil Shorts is a comparable player to Royal. Royal signed a three year contract worth $15 million with $10 million guaranteed. Shorts signed with the Texans for two years for $6 million with $2.5 million guaranteed. And, given the choice, I would take Shorts over Royal. If Royal can stay healthy next year he can be useful, but value wise it was not a smart deal.

 
That Royal signing never made sense from day one. Just terrible.
I partially disagree, I think the contract they signed him to was horrible. Overpaid and guaranteed, so regardless of if he can get healthy, we are stuck with him. However, on paper, I think a WR core of:

Alshon Jeffery

Kevin White (assuming he is anywhere near as good as he looked)

Eddie Royal

Marquis Wilson

Marc Mariani

Josh Bellamy

Cameron Merideth

Deonte Thompson

Is actually pretty damn good. Now yes, this assumes Alshon is willing to stay in Chicago and Kevin White can actually play/not permanently injured. But that could give us two good to great starters, a vet inside guy who I've watched for years and really does catch the ball well. Marquis is not a starter, but had a couple good games when he was in there early in the year, and looked like in a pinch could replace one of the starters for a week or two. And Mariani and Bellamy are the first time in my personal bears history when players not listed as starters actually made significant catches. Mariani had a bunch of critical third down catches where years past, I can't remember the names of the guys, but when they'd come in, try to throw to them, it was pretty much guaranteed to be dropped. This last week we started our WR5/6/7 and still found a way to put up 250 yards of passing (only 30 of those came from the RB's)! While our WR5/6/7 are not going to win us many games, that's pretty impressive to me.
I have to disagree. Alshon probably will remain with the Bears whether they sign him to a long term deal or franchise. We have to hope that his injury problems aren't going to continue. They have no idea what they have in Kevin White. They don't know if he is Cordarelle Patterson or Amari Cooper. That remains to be seen. And for all practical purposes, he will be a rookie next year. So it is going to take time to develop. If Royal's injury problems don't follow him he should be a decent slot guy. Mariani probably will be decent as a back up slot guy. Wilson has shown flashes, but he hasn't been able to stay healthy. The other guys are marginal NFL talents. So overall the starters could be good if they can stay healthy, and White develops, but they need better depth.

 

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