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*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Sure this doesn't need mentioning, but BYU as a conference partner poses some challenges, most notably the fact that they are forbidden from playing on Sundays.  Doesn't matter for Football, but there are other sports and no Sundays is a logistical challenge.

 
Also, re: Houston.  Isn't that largely a commuter school?  I think that's been a hindrance for them in the past, but I'm not positive.  It's a huge school, but again, I think it's largely a commuter college.  

 
General Malaise said:
Sure this doesn't need mentioning, but BYU as a conference partner poses some challenges, most notably the fact that they are forbidden from playing on Sundays.  Doesn't matter for Football, but there are other sports and no Sundays is a logistical challenge.
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I keep hearing this, but how difficult is it to just schedule BYU to play Saturday instead of Sunday? I don't get it. 

 
Don't Noonan said:
Why would I do that when I can get better odds in Vegas?  While I think Washington is improving, they are not close to winning the PAC 12 this year.  They may finally have a winning record in the PAC 12 at 5-4.  I see losses vs Stanford, at Oregon,  at Utah, USC.  Heck, I think they may lose at WSU and possibly at AZ.  
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To be fair, you did state 100-1 odds earlier in this thread.

Or at least that's how it came off.

Washington is legit.

 
Don't Noonan said:
Why would I do that when I can get better odds in Vegas?  While I think Washington is improving, they are not close to winning the PAC 12 this year.  They may finally have a winning record in the PAC 12 at 5-4.  I see losses vs Stanford, at Oregon,  at Utah, USC.  Heck, I think they may lose at WSU and possibly at AZ.  
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You said there is "absolutely no chance" that UW wins the Pac12.

If you actually believe that, then laying 100-1 odds is still just picking up money off the ground.

 
General Malaise said:
Also, re: Houston.  Isn't that largely a commuter school?  I think that's been a hindrance for them in the past, but I'm not positive.  It's a huge school, but again, I think it's largely a commuter college.  
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Doesn't matter, Houston is a monster city. The nomenclature of commuter school might apply to Boise or Albuquerque but probably not Houston.  They have a respectable endowment, a large enrollment, in a heavily populated city in the heart of football country. 

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
Doesn't matter, Houston is a monster city. The nomenclature of commuter school might apply to Boise or Albuquerque but probably not Houston.  They have a respectable endowment, a large enrollment, in a heavily populated city in the heart of football country. 
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And even if the team sucks, they've still got those potential eyeballs.

Plus, Iowa State can have some company at the bottom of the standings.

 
Sounds like Texas politics are getting involved to get Houston into the Big 12. I didn't think about that when I said Houston wouldn't be in.

Interesting.

 
Capella said:
2003 and 04 obviously. 

Please don't try the losing the national title schtick here. I'd hate to think of you along the same lines as an auburn fan here. 

@FDAS fu
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Not schtick at all.  USC had the highest # of votes in the AP Poll that year.  That AP Poll was part of the formula that chose the two schools to compete for the BCS national championship.  LSU won the BSC national championship that year.  USC is a part of the Pac-10, which agreed to the criteria to select the BCS national champion.....which they won in 2004.

It's pretty simple really.

 
psychobillies said:
Some people recognize it, some people don't.  That's why the trophy is important, because if someone doubts that you won a championship, you can just point to it.  
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2003 truther?

it's recognized as a title on every website that tracks that sort of stuff. I imagine it's not popular in your state, but that's the way it goes. 

 
Capella said:
2003 truther?

it's recognized as a title on every website that tracks that sort of stuff. I imagine it's not popular in your state, but that's the way it goes. 
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Let's rewind back to the beginning of the 2003 season.  As a Florida State Fan, you are given the option of FSU to choose one or the other...which one are you picking?

1.  The most votes in the AP vote at the end of the season

2.  The BCS National Championship, earned by beating the #2 team in the BCS in the criteria that has clearly been laid out and agreed upon by all major conferences

 
Tiger Fan said:
Not schtick at all.  USC had the highest # of votes in the AP Poll that year.  That AP Poll was part of the formula that chose the two schools to compete for the BCS national championship.  LSU won the BSC national championship that year.  USC is a part of the Pac-10, which agreed to the criteria to select the BCS national champion.....which they won in 2004 and were subsequently stripped of, because they were dirty cheating ######s.

It's pretty simple really.
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corrected.   also, fake link, haha ead.

 
Tiger Fan said:
Let's rewind back to the beginning of the 2003 season.  As a Florida State Fan, you are given the option of FSU to choose one or the other...which one are you picking?

1.  The most votes in the AP vote at the end of the season

2.  The BCS National Championship, earned by beating the #2 team in the BCS in the criteria that has clearly been laid out and agreed upon by all major conferences
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I don't think it's a matter of preference. The AP poll presented a national title, it's fully recognized as one of college football's national titles and SC won it. 

 
Capella said:
Cool you got this all figured out. 

Btw, every legit site grants USC a title for 2003. This isn't some SEC school faking a half-dozen titles from the 50s. 
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They're just maintaining consistency with the pre-BCS years where they needed to list the various poll winners.

 
Fair enough, but the point of the BCS was to crown a true national champion. So I'll stick by my position that other poll champions have been irrelevant since.

 
Capella said:
Cool you got this all figured out. 

Btw, every legit site grants USC a title for 2003. This isn't some SEC school faking a half-dozen titles from the 50s. 
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It's pretty much the same thing.  Fake title.  Doesn't matter who made it up.

 
Capella said:
Cool you got this all figured out. 

Btw, every legit site grants USC a title for 2003. This isn't some SEC school faking a half-dozen titles from the 50s. 
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1936 is when the 'AP era' began, which is when you see that list of champs tighten up. And most sources use this 'AP' designation as the legitimizer....for example, Bryant has the most AP championships (6).

Since the AP poll was the one that chose USC, most will recognize it.

 
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gump said:
1936 is when the 'AP era' began, which is when you see that list of champs tighten up. And most sources use this 'AP' designation as the legitimizer....for example, Bryant has the most AP championships (6).

Since the AP poll was the one that chose USC, most will recognize it.
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That's true, but since that didn't really work, everybody signed up for the BCS system in order to determine a champion.  That made it unmistakably clear who the champion was.(for better or for worse)  USC couldn't even make the top 2 that year, so they have no business being called a champion.   

 
psychobillies said:
That's true, but since that didn't really work, everybody signed up for the BCS system in order to determine a champion.  That made it unmistakably clear who the champion was.(for better or for worse)  USC couldn't even make the top 2 that year, so they have no business being called a champion.   
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As usual, the NCAA didn't make it airtight...'everybody' didn't include everybody. They're  lucky the AP didn't go a different way more than once.

 
gump said:
Didn't they think the AP was aligned as part of the BCS?
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I was obviously talking about what the AP did after the BCS game determined the champion. You said they were 'lucky' as if they were somehow hurt by the AP selecting someone different.

I'm actually a little surprised that there's regular junkies in here arguing that the voted on by sportswriters winner is just as valid as the played on the field winner.

 
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