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I'm on the other side of this one. Two best pieces are Benj/Graham. Each guy worth 2 future 1sts and the old guys don't come close to making up the difference.
I can certainly understand taking that side and using that logic, but I see it as:
If those were 1st rounders this year and were known to be an early and a late then I'd be more apt to follow that logic. Even then I don't know any Graham owners that have yet been willing to trade him for an Olsen type and a late 1. I've tried. Fitz' value is in the tank and for now at least he's more of a throw in type guy rather than a player that garners much value. Even if you put a future 2 value on him, to me, that and a random (though possibly early future 16) is light for a guy that is commanding 2015 top 4 value.
Fair enough. I'm just taking what the dude says at face value. Plus I don't have Graham and Olsen that far apart in redraft, and Jimmy is less than 2 years younger.
Yeah this is how I broke it down and I would much rather have Benjamin than a projected top 5 pick.
Huh. I'd much rather have any top-5 pick than Benjamin. I see Benjamin struggling to maintain last year's performance. He just doesn't look remotely special to me.
I'm not sure why people keep talking like this is actually a top 5 pick. It's just projected to be a future top 5 pick which inherently is less valuable than a 2015 top 5 pick. I don't know anyone that's trading Benjamin for a future 1st even if they think it will be a top 5 2016 pick.
I didn't go back and read the whole train of quotes. All I saw - and what I quoted - was someone saying they would rather have Benjamin than a projected top 5 pick. My comment wasn't an indictment of the trade - just a comment that I don't see Benjamin A's worth a top 5 pick.
Yeah not directed specifically at you. Just seems like folks are valuing projected future picks the same as known present picks in this instance for some reason.
Benjamin and Graham.buck naked said:
Parker went 8, Abdullah 9. I took Perriman at 10 over DGB, and got Funchess at 2.05.
Is Tanny a starter with all that turnover at receiver for him. I mean I think they improved everywhere with the changes but is he better with all new players or do we see a slight regression?
Good luck dealing a 6th and 7th startup value in picks for a 2nd round startup.
In terms of probability think either side has a roughly equal chance of winning this trade. However, if Dorsett side wins - likely to win big. So would prefer Dorsett side in most situations.
Actually it's going into year 6 now and since half the league are clueless in trading it makes it that much easier for a full rebuild as half the teams totally overpay for the current price of the players that get traded away and sometimes make horrific trades giving away their picks. Then once it is time to win again they make horrific trades giving away top 6 dynasty startup picks in Antonio Brown and Mike Evans for not even close to what they are worth at the time and end result you have a team that was able to rebuild their way into being handed championships. Congrats on taking advantage of the dumb dumbs.
Slightly dependent on league format/roster size, but would lean towards the pick. Even if you know it is locked in as late (hard to project 2 years out), don't see Tannehill's ceiling breaking into that top 3-4 QB tier that justifies a heavy investment at the position. QBs 9 to toughly 15 are interchangeable this year and don't see this changing drastically in the future. A lot can also change in 2 years, so not knowing the exact roster very conceivable that pick could be early. Also frees up a roster spot to use for someone else.ex-ghost said:
Murray
Seems like getting 2 good 2015 players for pretty cheapDezbelief said:
Dorsett
1.04
1.02
Bet you wish you were involved...seems pretty cheap for Cam
Gordon/picks
Randle and the picks
So somebody was willing to give you your handcuff if you were willing to downgrade him in the second round?
Unless he's higher on Grimes than Hillman whose the 3 in Denver right now? I don't have Ball though.
Well obviously this is subjective but valuing Grimes higher than Hillman doesn't make much sense based on what we've seen and Louis Murphy is worthless in a 12 team league. An empty roster spot is worth more.
