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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)
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EBF
Footballguy
Team context is important. My team sucks and I don't expect to contend this year barring a minor miracle, so Dez's 2015 numbers are nearly useless to me and may actually be a negative insofar as they decrease the value of my 2016 rookie picks. Dez turns 27 this season and would have turned 28 on my roster next year if I had chosen to keep him. I find 28-29 to be the age when most people will pump the brakes on paying full "sell the farm" value for a dynasty WR, so beyond that point there's little guarantee of top exit value. In other words, if you're looking to sell Bryant then you probably have the next 12-16 months as your peak window. And 2-3 years from now he will be in Andre/Fitz/VJax/Marshall territory as an asset that can plummet in value almost overnight if his production slips at all.
That doesn't mean you have to sell him, but it was starting to feel like the right time. Then you have the question: If you're going to sell Dez, who do you target? Julio and Green are basically lateral moves with very similar characteristics. Cooper and K White are too uncertain. Personally, none of the current RB options make sense. You could go after Beckham, but a lot of ODB owners probably wouldn't sell and (IMO) Beckham's value is possibly inflated right now anyway (I certainly can't imagine it getting much higher). That leaves Evans and Watkins as the two sensible choices to me. You can say that Watkins is a "question mark" and that's true to an extent, but he was acquired for a super elite draft price by the Bills (he was a top 5 overall pick and they traded the world for him) AND he already looked very strong as a rookie. Those are two big pluses in his favor. If you are looking to cash out from the current generation of unanimous dynasty cornerstones (i.e. Dez, Demaryius, Gronk, etc), I think Watkins has to be high on the list of candidates to join that club in the future. So while I may have overpaid, I also think there's a strong chance that Watkins turns out to just be Dez +4.5 years of longevity.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Brand new Dorsett owner in PPR dynasty league. I think I paid a substantial yet reasonable price.
Gave: Vincent Jackson, Cody Latimer, and 2016 2nd rounder (middle of the pack value).
Got: Dorsett
VJax was near WR5 on my roster behind OBJ, Amari, John Brown and old reliable, Andre Johnson.
My patience with Latimer was starting to wear thin, but herein lies the greatest possibility of remorse.
Offering my 2nd round was probably overkill, but I really wanted to close this deal.
NO RAGRETS
Gave: Vincent Jackson, Cody Latimer, and 2016 2nd rounder (middle of the pack value).
Got: Dorsett
VJax was near WR5 on my roster behind OBJ, Amari, John Brown and old reliable, Andre Johnson.
My patience with Latimer was starting to wear thin, but herein lies the greatest possibility of remorse.
Offering my 2nd round was probably overkill, but I really wanted to close this deal.
NO RAGRETS
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Pwingles
Footballguy
Yeah i couldnt get an offer like this in any of my leagues for Johnson
One More Rep
Footballguy
Johnson for meWinning IS Everything said:
Boone22
Footballguy
I'm the other side of this trade. My top WRs are Sanders, Tate, Martavis, and Cruz so VJax slots in as a potential starter for me for the next two years. Latimer is nice insurance for Sanders. The 2nd rounder was a nice cherry on top. I love Dorsett but I thought this offer was too good for me to pass up considering my situation.
FUBAR
Footballguy
We'll look forward to your trading Dorsett + for next year's guy. (not objecting to the trade, just the logic can lead to poor roster churning)
adding the 2nd was overkill but if you want your guy, you have to go for it.
FUBAR
Footballguy
different leagues, not involved in any of the deals:
Gerhart, Toby JAC RB
Lansanah, Danny TBB LB
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
Year 2017 Round 1 Draft Pick
for
Matthews, Jordan PHI WR
Trevathan, Danny DEN LB
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick
Heath Miller for a late 2016 3rd. (16 teams, you can start 3 TE)
Gerhart, Toby JAC RB
Lansanah, Danny TBB LB
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick
Year 2017 Round 1 Draft Pick
for
Matthews, Jordan PHI WR
Trevathan, Danny DEN LB
Year 2016 Round 3 Draft Pick
Heath Miller for a late 2016 3rd. (16 teams, you can start 3 TE)
Julio side
Allen easily for me. Might be Allen without the 1.07
safe side and a risky side...I will go with the riskier Bradford/Woodhead in PPR
Picks easy. I guess I should have waited to sell
I get going after your guy but I will take VJax/Latimer/2nd if I have the roster space and I really like Dorsett.
I would hold until a better offer came in. Lynch is worth that on his own
Smelter
EBF
Footballguy
Nothing to miss with Smelter. Just a dart throw WR who I like and own almost everywhere. Feel he can be another Eric Decker. Will likely sit out most of this season though.
EBF
Footballguy
I own Smelter in 7 of my 8 dynasties now. He was one of my most picked rookies back in May. I had no 2nd-3rd round rookie pick in this league and thus couldn't get him on draft day, but I had always been thinking of a way to add him to the squad.
Carr was a waiver grab of mine at some point last offseason and while I don't necessarily hate him, I have other similar developmental QBs (Bortles and Garoppolo) and I don't place much value on the QB position in start 1 formats.
I have been pretty impressed with Bortles this preseason and think he's more likely to take the leap than Carr in the near future. That was another variable.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Superflex
Gave: Charles Sims
Got: RG3
Gave: Charles Sims
Got: RG3
FUBAR
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
ChuckLiddell
Footballguy
Gave: A likely top half 2nd rounder in 16
Received: Tyler Lockett
ETA - No return yardage or reurn TD points, so Lockett's immediate value is not great
Received: Tyler Lockett
ETA - No return yardage or reurn TD points, so Lockett's immediate value is not great
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I still like it.
Tenacity, and some knowledge that the owner doesn't think very highly of Watkins situation, injury, team, etc.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Standard Scoring:
Gave: Jordan Matthews
Got: Jeremy Hill
Guy I traded had 5 starting caliber RBs and I had Dez, Julio, Evans, and Odell ahead of Matthews. Only Demarco was a top RB on my team (have Coleman, Matt Jones, David Johnson, and Yeldon as prospects).
Gave: Jordan Matthews
Got: Jeremy Hill
Guy I traded had 5 starting caliber RBs and I had Dez, Julio, Evans, and Odell ahead of Matthews. Only Demarco was a top RB on my team (have Coleman, Matt Jones, David Johnson, and Yeldon as prospects).
One More Rep
Footballguy
lardonastick
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
For me, I could explain the difference between Bortles and Carr mathematically, but it would require an awful lot of "greater than" signs.
Fun aside: Carr gets praise for his INT% and Sack%, but he did it by being the dumpoffingest dumpoffer who ever dumped off. There have been 101 rookies in NFL history with 224 pass attempts, (the minimum to make the official NFL leaderboards), and David Carr ranks 101st in yards per attempt relative to league average. Which is... sub-optimal.
Bortles was down there, too, but he was a full standard deviation closer than Carr, and there's a difference between the #3 pick and an early 2nd-rounder.
Another one that went down today. 10 teams, non-PPR, no flex.
Team A gave: Adrian Peterson, Michael Floyd, Cordarrelle Patterson, Matt Asiata, 2016 2nd, 2016 3rd
Team B gave: Randall Cobb, Chris Ivory, DeAngelo Williams, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett
Team A gave: Adrian Peterson, Michael Floyd, Cordarrelle Patterson, Matt Asiata, 2016 2nd, 2016 3rd
Team B gave: Randall Cobb, Chris Ivory, DeAngelo Williams, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
10 team 2QB 3WR 3RB 2TE 1Flex .5ppr 30 man rosters
Team A traded: 2 2016 1sts (1 very likely early 1 likely late), 2 2016 2nds (both likely late), Kevin White, Davante Parker
Team B traded: Antonio Brown, Greg Olsen, Frank Gore
Team B needed to get a lot younger and is offloading most of it for some youth and rebuilding from there.
Team A traded: 2 2016 1sts (1 very likely early 1 likely late), 2 2016 2nds (both likely late), Kevin White, Davante Parker
Team B traded: Antonio Brown, Greg Olsen, Frank Gore
Team B needed to get a lot younger and is offloading most of it for some youth and rebuilding from there.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Same League, same team B
Team B traded: Andre Johnson
Team C traded: 2016 2nd (likely early-mid)
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ex-ghost
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Gave Vincent Jackson, Pierre Garcon, 3rd round pick (likely very late), and a few blind bidding dollars
Got Kendall Wright, Cody Latimer, and Jameis Winston
I'm pretty loaded at WR (Dez, Demaryius, Robinson, Desean, Charles Johnson) so Vincent and Garcon were buried on my bench. Wright is my new WR5 or WR6, so I got younger and added whatever Latimer ends up being. Also have Luck and Flacco, but I always feel better having 3 QBs when possible.
Gave Vincent Jackson, Pierre Garcon, 3rd round pick (likely very late), and a few blind bidding dollars
Got Kendall Wright, Cody Latimer, and Jameis Winston
I'm pretty loaded at WR (Dez, Demaryius, Robinson, Desean, Charles Johnson) so Vincent and Garcon were buried on my bench. Wright is my new WR5 or WR6, so I got younger and added whatever Latimer ends up being. Also have Luck and Flacco, but I always feel better having 3 QBs when possible.
