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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (4 Viewers)

I disagree that Landry is not a playmaker. His 84 receptions (#14 among WRs) on 112 targets (#31 among WRs) for a rookie looks pretty good to me - and that is a very respectable 75% catch rate.

I think people are getting way too hung up over the 9.0 YPC number. There may be other explanations for it outside of the contention that he really isn't that good. Reminds me of his critics last year who predicted he would be a bust by pointing to his combine numbers (EBF even went so far as to say that he get off the couch and put up better numbers than Landry in most of the categories).

From the responses here, looks like I can get fairly cheaply again this year. I would give a late 1st anytime for a solid move-the-chains WR in a PPR league.
84 catches for 758 yards is not play making. if you get the ball that much a play maker would go well over 1000 yards he was well under it.
Since so many of you love to throw out useless numbers that are completely out of context.. How about some that project some reality to the situation.

84/758.... "He's not a playmaker...." "9YPC".....

So please explain to me the following stat...

JARVIS LANDRY RANKED 18TH IN THE ENTIRE NFL IN YAC (443yds)

Among all WRs. RBs and TEs. As a ROOKIE.

What now?

Thanks.

 
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I disagree that Landry is not a playmaker. His 84 receptions (#14 among WRs) on 112 targets (#31 among WRs) for a rookie looks pretty good to me - and that is a very respectable 75% catch rate.

I think people are getting way too hung up over the 9.0 YPC number. There may be other explanations for it outside of the contention that he really isn't that good. Reminds me of his critics last year who predicted he would be a bust by pointing to his combine numbers (EBF even went so far as to say that he get off the couch and put up better numbers than Landry in most of the categories).

From the responses here, looks like I can get fairly cheaply again this year. I would give a late 1st anytime for a solid move-the-chains WR in a PPR league.
84 catches for 758 yards is not play making. if you get the ball that much a play maker would go well over 1000 yards he was well under it.
I think it is on a 112 targets with a 75% catch rate. With Hartline gone his targets should improve, even if Wallace remains. I doubt his rookie year is his ceiling and with increased targets he should go over 1000 yards IMO.

 
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12 team PPR dynasty

Gave: Moncrief, Zach Stacy, 2.6

Got: 1.3, 3.5

I might have sent this out in an altered state. Didn't even remember sending it :oldunsure: ...that being said, good move for this team or no?

Current Roster (we start 1qb, 2rb, 3wr, 1te, 1 flex at rb/wr/te):

RG3, Foles

Lacy, J. Hill, Morris, Spiller, K. Davis

Maclin, Fitz, V-Jax, Wright, Latimer, Cruz, Hawkins

Reed, Ertz

Picks 1.3, 1.6, 2.2, 3.5
You should do more altered state trading. I think that worked out in your favor
Yea, I like the move.

 
I disagree that Landry is not a playmaker. His 84 receptions (#14 among WRs) on 112 targets (#31 among WRs) for a rookie looks pretty good to me - and that is a very respectable 75% catch rate.

I think people are getting way too hung up over the 9.0 YPC number. There may be other explanations for it outside of the contention that he really isn't that good. Reminds me of his critics last year who predicted he would be a bust by pointing to his combine numbers (EBF even went so far as to say that he get off the couch and put up better numbers than Landry in most of the categories).

From the responses here, looks like I can get fairly cheaply again this year. I would give a late 1st anytime for a solid move-the-chains WR in a PPR league.
84 catches for 758 yards is not play making. if you get the ball that much a play maker would go well over 1000 yards he was well under it.
Since so many of you love to throw out useless numbers that are completely out of context.. How about some that project some reality to the situation.

84/758.... "He's not a playmaker...." "9YPC".....

So please explain to me the following stat...

JARVIS LANDRY RANKED 18TH IN THE ENTIRE NFL IN YAC (443yds)

Among all WRs. RBs and TEs. As a ROOKIE.

What now?

Thanks.
So he catches passes an average of under 4 yards downfield? This is precisely why I don't know if he can succeed on the outside as a #1 or #2 WR

 
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10 team ppr start: 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2Flex

Gave: Brandon Marshall, 3.05

Got: 1.08 + Jace Amaro

Thought about hanging onto Marshall, but I think I can work with the WRs I have plus my picks.

main pieces of my roster now looks like:

A-Rod

Hill/CJA/Mason/L.Murray/Mckinnon

Hilton/KB/Cooks/MiFloyd/Landry/Torrey Smith/Quick/Marquess Wilson/Duron Carter/Shorts

Kelce/Eifert/J.Cameron/ASJ/Amaro

and now 1.05, 1.08, 2.05

 
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In PPR he averaged 14.6ppg over the second half of the season.

As a rookie. You got some high standards... Guy looked pretty darn good... I get he takes a hit in nonPPR, but still.. not THAT big a hit

Landry showed some serious potential
He had an awful lot of targets over the second half of the season as well, and didn't do all that much with them. He averaged 9.0 ypr (which is terrible, TEs average more than that) and scored 5 TDs. He's not a playmaker and is thus replaceable. Brian Hartline once put up back to back 1,000 seasons in that offense with heavy volume.

I don't think Landry is a bad option in ppr leagues - but there's no way he's worth a mid first round pick in ppr (and that league was a standard league), and like I said he's not even worth a late first imo.

Would rather take a guy with some upside in the first. I could end up with a bust but I wouldn't cry over losing out on Landry.

ETA: I'm not really commenting on that trade. I'd take Landy over Ridley as well, but in a standard league I don't think it was any huge blunder to take a chance on Ridley.I disagree that Landry is not a playmaker. His 84 receptions (#14 among WRs) on 112 targets (#31 among WRs) for a rookie looks pretty good to me - and that is a very respectable 75% catch rate.

I think people are getting way too hung up over the 9.0 YPC number. There may be other explanations for it outside of the contention that he really isn't that good. Reminds me of his critics last year who predicted he would be a bust by pointing to his combine numbers (EBF even went so far as to say that he could get off the couch and put up better numbers than Landry in most of the categories).

From the responses here, looks like I can get him fairly cheaply again this year. I would give a late 1st anytime for a solid move-the-chains WR in a PPR league.
Of course his catch rate is going to be higher when the ball is only traveling 5 yards down the field to get to him.

 
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10 team ppr start: 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2Flex

Gave: Brandon Marshall, 3.05

Got: 1.08 + Jace Amaro

Thought about hanging onto Marshall, but I think I can work with the WRs I have plus my picks.

main pieces of my roster now looks like:

A-Rod

Hill/CJA/Mason/L.Murray/Mckinnon

Hilton/KB/Cooks/MiFloyd/Landry/Torrey Smith/Quick/Marquess Wilson/Duron Carter/Shorts

Kelce/Eifert/J.Cameron/ASJ/Amaro

and now 1.05, 1.08, 2.05
I would probably rather have Marshall if I was going to add another Jet and the 1.08

 
Again, since some of you have no idea how to utilize stats it seems, and since Landry is not a playmaker... Let's look at it another way....

AVERAGE YARDS AFTER CATCH 2014:

D. Thomas - 5.8

Antonio Brown - 4.4

Julio Jones - 5.3

Jordy Nelson - 4.9

Gronkowski - 5.8

Landry- 5.3

I dunno.... Looks like the kid can make some plays with his legs, no?

Is he at the level of ANY of those guys? Nope... But his ability after the ball in his hands is every bit on par, in his rookie year

 
Regarding Landry, here are his splits per PFF:

Slot:

335 routes (77.2%), 78 targets, 63 receptions (81% catch rate), 623 yards (9.9 YPR), 4 TDs, 2 drops

1.86 YPRR = #3 among qualifiers, behind Cobb (2.13) and Matthews (1.87)

Not in slot:

99 routes (22.8%), 27 targets, 21 receptions (78% catch rate), 132 yards (6.3 YPR), 1 TD, 0 drops

His performance in the slot was very good, especially for a rookie and especially with an average QB/surrounding offense. But the bolded illustrates his poor performance outside of the slot. That suggests that his potential is capped, i.e., he isn't likely to thrive on the outside, as some have been saying here.

As for YAC, his YAC/reception (4.8) among players who took at least 25% of their teams' snaps was tied for #44 among WRs, behind all 55 qualifying RBs, and behind 28 TEs. So he was somewhere around tied for #127 in the league... that does not scream playmaker to me, in fact it says just the opposite.

 
Again, since some of you have no idea how to utilize stats it seems, and since Landry is not a playmaker... Let's look at it another way....

AVERAGE YARDS AFTER CATCH 2014:

D. Thomas - 5.8

Antonio Brown - 4.4

Julio Jones - 5.3

Jordy Nelson - 4.9

Gronkowski - 5.8

Landry- 5.3

I dunno.... Looks like the kid can make some plays with his legs, no?

Is he at the level of ANY of those guys? Nope... But his ability after the ball in his hands is every bit on par, in his rookie year
PFF shows him at 4.8, which is behind at least 126 RBs, WRs, and TEs. But others are the ones who don't know how to utilize stats?

You might want to consider the average depth of target of the players you have listed here. Hint: one of these is not like the others.

 
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10 team ppr start: 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/2Flex

Gave: Brandon Marshall, 3.05

Got: 1.08 + Jace Amaro

Thought about hanging onto Marshall, but I think I can work with the WRs I have plus my picks.
I would probably rather have Marshall if I was going to add another Jet and the 1.08
Before the trade I probably had Marshall at around 1.05. I got the offer right before the trade was announced and figured it was enough to move him. I'm sure the QB situation will change, but I have enough Marshall shares that I thought It made sense to move him in one league.

 
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Curious to see what you guys think. 0.5 PPR, 12 team, IDP scoring such that Watt's crazy year last year was ~ Dez Bryant, around 17-18 ppg, next best IDP (an LB) was ~11 ppg. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB.

Made a couple trades with one other team, with the net results shown below:

Gave: Cobb, Maclin, Charles Johnson (WR)

Got: J.J. Watt, 1.04

Current offensive roster (defense is in great shape now at all positions, too):

QB: Newton, Foles, Dalton, Manuel

RB: Lacy, Miller, Hill, Helu, Starks

WR: Dez Bryant, Keenan Allen, Michael Floyd

TE: Graham, Clay, Willson

Looking at best WR available at 1.04. Little light on WRs, but with 4 startable WRs and 3 startable RBs, I have a little breathing space. If Helu goes somewhere decent, flipping him and maybe Foles for a low end WR2 or high end WR3 could be an option, too.

 
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Again, since some of you have no idea how to utilize stats it seems, and since Landry is not a playmaker... Let's look at it another way....

AVERAGE YARDS AFTER CATCH 2014:

D. Thomas - 5.8

Antonio Brown - 4.4

Julio Jones - 5.3

Jordy Nelson - 4.9

Gronkowski - 5.8

Landry- 5.3

I dunno.... Looks like the kid can make some plays with his legs, no?

Is he at the level of ANY of those guys? Nope... But his ability after the ball in his hands is every bit on par, in his rookie year
PFF shows him at 4.8, which is behind at least 126 RBs, WRs, and TEs. But others are the ones who don't know how to utilize stats?

You might want to consider the average depth of target of the players you have listed here. Hint: one of these is not like the others.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch

Just going by this

... as for your second point, pretty sure I clarified that in my post

 
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Curious to see what you guys think. 0.5 PPR, 12 team, IDP scoring such that Watt's crazy year last year was ~ Dez Bryant, around 17-18 ppg, next best IDP (an LB) was ~11 ppg. Start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 FLEX, 1 K, 2 DL, 2 LB, 2 DB.

Made a couple trades with one other team, with the net results shown below:

Gave: Cobb, Maclin, Charles Johnson (WR)

Got: J.J. Watt, 1.04

Current offensive roster (defense is in great shape now at all positions, too):

QB: Newton, Foles, Dalton, Manuel

RB: Lacy, Miller, Hill, Helu, Starks

WR: Dez Bryant, Keenan Allen, Michael Floyd

TE: Graham, Clay, Willson

Looking at best WR available at 1.04. Little light on WRs, but with 4 startable WRs and 3 startable RBs, I have a little breathing space. If Helu goes somewhere decent, flipping him and maybe Foles for a low end WR2 or high end WR3 could be an option, too.
I like the Watt side in that deal.

 
Again, since some of you have no idea how to utilize stats it seems, and since Landry is not a playmaker... Let's look at it another way....

AVERAGE YARDS AFTER CATCH 2014:

D. Thomas - 5.8

Antonio Brown - 4.4

Julio Jones - 5.3

Jordy Nelson - 4.9

Gronkowski - 5.8

Landry- 5.3

I dunno.... Looks like the kid can make some plays with his legs, no?

Is he at the level of ANY of those guys? Nope... But his ability after the ball in his hands is every bit on par, in his rookie year
PFF shows him at 4.8, which is behind at least 126 RBs, WRs, and TEs. But others are the ones who don't know how to utilize stats?

You might want to consider the average depth of target of the players you have listed here. Hint: one of these is not like the others.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/receiving/sort/receivingYardsAfterCatch

Just going by this

... as for your second point, pretty sure I clarified that in my post
You said he isn't at the level of those guys. Which is stating the obvious. What should also be obvious is that guys who make plays downfield are not going to have the same opportunity for YAC as guys who catch the ball within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and much more often in space.

 
I did not expect Jarvis Landry to spark a heated debate. I am weaker at RB than I am at WR.

I have Megatron, AJ , Evans, Tate, Stills, Patterson and Sanu. I see Landry as a steady possession WR for years. My concern was that in the Miami offense he may end up with numbers like Tate had in Seattle. That makes him a useful asset but he would never start ahead of my top 4. I am rolling the dice that Ridley leaves NE and lands where he can have a consistent role and hopefully more touches. Adding a RB meant I don't have position pressure drafting at the 1.05 and can take best available.

 
Any time you guys want to take the "is Jarvis Landry any good?" debate to the "is Jarvis Landry and good?" thread and keep this one about completed trades that would be super.

 
opensourcebeer said:
12 team PPR, start qrrwwwtfkd, best ball scoring

Team A gives: 1.05, 1.08, 1.09, Charles Johnson

Team B gives: 1.01, Matt Forte
pretty closeReally depends on my team makeup. If I need RB I want 1.01 and Forte. If I am rebuilding or short at WR probably taking the other side
Before the trade Team A starters:

Newton

Vereen

Blount

OBJ

D. Thomas

Cooks

Gronk

Kelce

Before the trade Team B starters:

Ryan

D.Martin

Forte

Colston

Garcon

Landry

J.Mathews

Z.Ertz

 
opensourcebeer said:
12 team PPR, start qrrwwwtfkd, best ball scoring

Team A gives: 1.05, 1.08, 1.09, Charles Johnson

Team B gives: 1.01, Matt Forte
pretty closeReally depends on my team makeup. If I need RB I want 1.01 and Forte. If I am rebuilding or short at WR probably taking the other side
Before the trade Team A starters:

Newton

Vereen

Blount

OBJ

D. Thomas

Cooks

Gronk

Kelce

Before the trade Team B starters:

Ryan

D.Martin

Forte

Colston

Garcon

Landry

J.Mathews

Z.Ertz
Totally makes sense. I like what Team A is rolling out there now...and after the draft

 
Hankmoody said:
Any time you guys want to take the "is Jarvis Landry any good?" debate to the "is Jarvis Landry and good?" thread and keep this one about completed trades that would be super.
It was a completed trade and people were debating which side.

 
Hankmoody said:
Any time you guys want to take the "is Jarvis Landry any good?" debate to the "is Jarvis Landry and good?" thread and keep this one about completed trades that would be super.
It was a completed trade and people were debating which side.
There's nothing wrong with a trade leading this thread to a discussion on player values. Frankly it makes it much more interesting and useful.

 
Hankmoody said:
Any time you guys want to take the "is Jarvis Landry any good?" debate to the "is Jarvis Landry and good?" thread and keep this one about completed trades that would be super.
It was a completed trade and people were debating which side.
There's nothing wrong with a trade leading this thread to a discussion on player values. Frankly it makes it much more interesting and useful.
It was for a while there, right up until it turned into exactly what rank his YPC is and whose YPC are more accurate. Maybe it's just my intolerance of anything Soulfly, but that whole conversation jumped the shark after about the 3rd comment.

 
Hawkfire said:
thriftyrocker said:
Hawkfire said:
Different league

Team A gives Jarvis Landry

Team B gives Steven Ridley
Even in standard that's pretty inexplicable.
Dynasty League Football website has them each ranked as #35 at their position, today, before we know where Ridley lands or how he recovers from ACL tear. If you feel this is lopsided, which side and why?
Slight difference being #35 at RB and being #35 at WR

Also. Huge difference in age.

This is another one of those trades that truly would have me throwing a fit in my head... and to the owner who signed up ridley
still not sure which side you prefer
Landry for Ridley is a joke

 
I disagree that Landry is not a playmaker. His 84 receptions (#14 among WRs) on 112 targets (#31 among WRs) for a rookie looks pretty good to me - and that is a very respectable 75% catch rate.

I think people are getting way too hung up over the 9.0 YPC number. There may be other explanations for it outside of the contention that he really isn't that good. Reminds me of his critics last year who predicted he would be a bust by pointing to his combine numbers (EBF even went so far as to say that he get off the couch and put up better numbers than Landry in most of the categories).

From the responses here, looks like I can get fairly cheaply again this year. I would give a late 1st anytime for a solid move-the-chains WR in a PPR league.
84 catches for 758 yards is not play making. if you get the ball that much a play maker would go well over 1000 yards he was well under it.
Since so many of you love to throw out useless numbers that are completely out of context.. How about some that project some reality to the situation.

84/758.... "He's not a playmaker...." "9YPC".....

So please explain to me the following stat...

JARVIS LANDRY RANKED 18TH IN THE ENTIRE NFL IN YAC (443yds)

Among all WRs. RBs and TEs. As a ROOKIE.

What now?

Thanks.
shhhhhhhhhhhhh, lets these guys talk so we can keep getting Landry cheap, well actually for free. Well, actually if we have to give up Ridley they are PAYING us to take Landy since Ridley is a wasted roster spot.

 
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Again, since some of you have no idea how to utilize stats it seems, and since Landry is not a playmaker... Let's look at it another way....

AVERAGE YARDS AFTER CATCH 2014:

D. Thomas - 5.8

Antonio Brown - 4.4

Julio Jones - 5.3

Jordy Nelson - 4.9

Gronkowski - 5.8

Landry- 5.3

I dunno.... Looks like the kid can make some plays with his legs, no?

Is he at the level of ANY of those guys? Nope... But his ability after the ball in his hands is every bit on par, in his rookie year
PFF shows him at 4.8, which is behind at least 126 RBs, WRs, and TEs. But others are the ones who don't know how to utilize stats?

You might want to consider the average depth of target of the players you have listed here. Hint: one of these is not like the others.
How do all these stats for those other players look in their rookie years?

Not saying Landy is some stud, but regarding this Ridley for Landry crap, that is "Bad owner vs good owner" stuff.

 
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I see Landry as slightly better than replacement level. a slightly better lance moore with a worse qb. Those guys have value, but I don't want a roster full of them. in deeper ppr leagues that allow more starting receivers, his value goes up.

I see ridley as a lottery ticket. He's capable of being a volume back with good ypc. He was drafted into the wrong situation. He is entering his prime with low mileage and he's about to get a prove it deal on a team to be determined. I believe he can be a top ten back if things break right for him - but the risk is significant. Even if he doesn't land in an ideal spot, he can be a valuable member of your fantasy committee as a guy who could get hot if there were an injury or something. In my non ppr, 14 team, deep roster/shallow lineup league, i want to use my roster spots on guys like that, not Jarvis Landry type. But I get the other side too and my answer would change a ton in different formats.

 
This head scratcher just went thru this morning

32tm double player pool IDP

1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2OFLX, 1DL, 2LB, 1DB 1DFLX

Team A: Cruz, 1.15, 2.12

Team B: Jeffery, DeAnthiny Thomas (KC)

Team B made it to the finals last year, so not sure why he would considering offering up Alshon for next to nothing

 
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This head scratcher just went thru this morning

32tm double player pool IDP

1QB, 2RB, 2WR, 1TE, 2OFLX, 1DL, 2LB, 1DB 1DFLX

Team A: Cruz, 1.15, 2.12

Team B: Jeffery, DeAnthiny Thomas (KC)

Team B made it to the finals last year, so not sure why he would considering offering up Alshon for next to nothing
Jeffery. Seems like something big missing in this deal

12 team 2QB 2RB 4 WR

Team A got Watkins, 1.2

Team B got GioBernard, Maclin, 2.3, 2016 2nd
Watkins...the 1.02 is almost free

 

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