**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (3 Viewers)

[Dan Hindery]

12 team PPR 1/2/3/1 w/ one flex

Gave Jaelen Strong, T. Richardson, 2.12

for

Brandon Marshall, CJ Spiller, 3.07

Note: It's a combined rookie/devy draft with 12 draft 2016 draft eligible guys available and 12 players missing that were drafted last year (i.e. Strong). Makes late 2nd rounders a bit more valuable as the 12 devys usually are off the board by 3.01.

 

[Papa John's]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

EDIT: So the debate can end here is context the context. QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB 2 S, 2 IDP Flex. Salary cap of $63,000. Gronk $9,000. Clay $3,150. Same years on contracts.

I bought Gronk. Couldn't be happier

 

[jeaton6]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

 

[One More Rep]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk

 

[bmsarvis]

Peyton and knile davis

For

Ellington, morris and a late 3rd rd pick

 

[doowain]

12 Team PPR

Team A got:

2.02

Team B got:

Alfred Blue

Marquess Wilson

 

[FUBAR]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

funny, I was just offered a similar deal as the owner of 1.01, 1.22 and Clay (makes it almost look like PJ is trying to get an opinion on an offer - or it's just a coincidence) . Circumstances matter here which may make the leagues different. FWIW, I rejected the offer already and don't know if I'd re-consider. Key factor for us are a salary cap - monetarily, Gronk would equal Clay, the 1.01, 1.22 and a good IDP; as good as Gronk's year was last year, he would barely have been a top 10 RB or WR, he has 2 years left on his current contract while the 1.01 gets 4 (and at 1/3 of the price),and 32 teams with 20 starters means if you get a high priced guy like Gronk, you're probably going to have holes elsewhere.

In a 12 team league that's an easy deal to make for Gronk; in a salary cap 32 team league it's a lot harder.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

the vacuum strikes again. if it was a scenario that the guy explained above and that a salary cap is involved, the team trading away gronk wins and its not close or as you would say a landslide. this is why judging trades in a vacuum is bad, especially when people say things like landslide without any league facts or understanding what a team is doing or why its doing it.

the trade may be a land slide in the league it was made, but if the league is like a salary cap league, you have to know the whole situation. i am also learning here that people will take the side of the stud 9 times out of 10 regardless of what the person gets back so it seems counter productive to see what these guy will really be worth on the open market.

 

[VarsityBlues123]

12 Team PPR

Team A got:

2.02

Team B got:

Alfred Blue

Marquess Wilson

did team b have foster and trade away blue? if he traded away a cuff i dont like it and if he traded it to the guy with foster that guy got his cuff for cheap. if its just a straight swap I will take the pick even though both players have upside.

 

[Soulfly3]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

 

[opensourcebeer]

16 team, ppr, start qrwwtffkd

Team A gives: Julius Thomas, Golden Tate, Josh Gordon, 2.03, 2016 1st (late)

Team B gives: Gronk, Richard Rodgers

 

[FUBAR]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

 

[Papa John's]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

funny, I was just offered a similar deal as the owner of 1.01, 1.22 and Clay (makes it almost look like PJ is trying to get an opinion on an offer - or it's just a coincidence) . Circumstances matter here which may make the leagues different. FWIW, I rejected the offer already and don't know if I'd re-consider. Key factor for us are a salary cap - monetarily, Gronk would equal Clay, the 1.01, 1.22 and a good IDP; as good as Gronk's year was last year, he would barely have been a top 10 RB or WR, he has 2 years left on his current contract while the 1.01 gets 4 (and at 1/3 of the price),and 32 teams with 20 starters means if you get a high priced guy like Gronk, you're probably going to have holes elsewhere.

In a 12 team league that's an easy deal to make for Gronk; in a salary cap 32 team league it's a lot harder.

Coincidence. I have many shares of Gronk FWIW. As a result, it seems like a lot of people are trying to sell Clay right now too in my leagues. If you believe in either Gronk or Clay ... I guess now is the time to buy !

 

[rct]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

the vacuum strikes again. if it was a scenario that the guy explained above and that a salary cap is involved, the team trading away gronk wins and its not close or as you would say a landslide. this is why judging trades in a vacuum is bad, especially when people say things like landslide without any league facts or understanding what a team is doing or why its doing it.

the trade may be a land slide in the league it was made, but if the league is like a salary cap league, you have to know the whole situation. i am also learning here that people will take the side of the stud 9 times out of 10 regardless of what the person gets back so it seems counter productive to see what these guy will really be worth on the open market.

The OP gave no context outside of standard scoring - that was it. Under those circumstances, saying that the deal was a landslide for the Gronk owner was quite reasonable.

 

[FUBAR]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

the vacuum strikes again. if it was a scenario that the guy explained above and that a salary cap is involved, the team trading away gronk wins and its not close or as you would say a landslide. this is why judging trades in a vacuum is bad, especially when people say things like landslide without any league facts or understanding what a team is doing or why its doing it.

the trade may be a land slide in the league it was made, but if the league is like a salary cap league, you have to know the whole situation. i am also learning here that people will take the side of the stud 9 times out of 10 regardless of what the person gets back so it seems counter productive to see what these guy will really be worth on the open market.The OP gave no context outside of standard scoring - that was it. Under those circumstances, saying that the deal was a landslide for the Gronk owner was quite reasonable.

unless there's context included it's perfectly reasonable to assume a standard league. in which case, yes - I'd take Gronk over the 1.01 and Clay usually becomes almost irrelevant in a standard 12 team league.

 

[loose circuits]

i couldn't even get 1.09 for Lynch in the league I own him where I may not have supporting cast. To me, this is like Lamar Miller for free almost

Jesus, there are leagues out there where you can get Lynch for pick 9??

Regarding earlier posts, i was referring to this comment by someone.And i said i would take miller and pick 9 over lynch

Then someone complained how people always playe for next year......yet would take pick 9 over lamar miller??? Does not compute.

you probably get a null pointer exception because we don't know who pick 9 is...may want to use a try/catch block

what??

you said it didn't compute, I was suggesting that the reason was because the current status of 1.09 is null. Meaning we don't know who's going to be available. I see this draft having 5 studs who should be drafted high regardless of situation. Then there are at least 10 others that are legitimate prospects who could end up jumping into that group if their situation is as good. This isn't necessarily my opinion as I have more of the talent over situation philosophy, but if you look at a guy like Bishop Sankey who all the sudden vaulted up to top 3 pick last year because of his spot. The question is how many spots/guys would allow for that 3rd tier to where we have the deepest 1st round in recent memory. Which gives me a great idea for some threads.

In the end, I still have your boy Marshawn Lynch for better or worse. I acquired him by giving up a few 2nd rounders and some other minor stuff. Just not sure if I have the supporting cast to make him worth keeping at this point...

 

[Papa John's]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

EDIT: So the debate can end here is context the context. QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB 2 S, 2 IDP Flex. Salary cap of $63,000. Gronk $9,000. Clay $3,150. Same years on contracts.

I bought Gronk. Couldn't be happier

From above. Generally I don't give as much detail, because when there is too much detail guys don't post. I don't know why, just been my experience here. When there is too little guys get into debates like the one above. Can't win to lose ... Sometimes.

Let the debate continue

 

[FUBAR]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

EDIT: So the debate can end here is context the context. QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB 2 S, 2 IDP Flex. Salary cap of $63,000. Gronk $9,000. Clay $3,150. Same years on contracts.

I bought Gronk. Couldn't be happier

From above. Generally I don't give as much detail, because when there is too much detail guys don't post. I don't know why, just been my experience here. When there is too little guys get into debates like the one above. Can't win to lose ... Sometimes.

Let the debate continue

just curious - what's the salary for the rookie picks?

 

[Papa John's]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

EDIT: So the debate can end here is context the context. QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB 2 S, 2 IDP Flex. Salary cap of $63,000. Gronk $9,000. Clay $3,150. Same years on contracts.

I bought Gronk. Couldn't be happier

From above. Generally I don't give as much detail, because when there is too much detail guys don't post. I don't know why, just been my experience here. When there is too little guys get into debates like the one above. Can't win to lose ... Sometimes.

Let the debate continue

just curious - what's the salary for the rookie picks?

$2,000 and taxi eligible. Can determine contract after 3 years. Let's email for more ... Don't want to be accused of hijacking this thread (lol).

 

[maxhyde]

12 team PPR 1/2/3/1 w/ one flex

Gave Jaelen Strong, T. Richardson, 2.12

for

Brandon Marshall, CJ Spiller, 3.07

Note: It's a combined rookie/devy draft with 12 draft 2016 draft eligible guys available and 12 players missing that were drafted last year (i.e. Strong). Makes late 2nd rounders a bit more valuable as the 12 devys usually are off the board by 3.01.

I like Marshall in this one

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

EDIT: So the debate can end here is context the context. QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB 2 S, 2 IDP Flex. Salary cap of $63,000. Gronk $9,000. Clay $3,150. Same years on contracts.

I bought Gronk. Couldn't be happier

Gronk

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

Watkins

Peyton and knile davis

For

Ellington, morris and a late 3rd rd pick

Ellington

12 Team PPR

Team A got:

2.02

Team B got:

Alfred Blue

Marquess Wilson

2.02

16 team, ppr, start qrwwtffkd

Team A gives: Julius Thomas, Golden Tate, Josh Gordon, 2.03, 2016 1st (late)

Team B gives: Gronk, Richard Rodgers

Gronk. Not a big fan of JT's move to JAX

 

[One More Rep]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

Lynch/Sammy

 

[Soulfly3]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

 

[maxhyde]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

Only in TE premium formats...any other and I think it is reaching taking a guy with that injury history at 1.01. Regardless of positional advantage you only get that if he plays

 

[FUBAR]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

Only in TE premium formats...any other and I think it is reaching taking a guy with that injury history at 1.01. Regardless of positional advantage you only get that if he plays

that's kind of where I'm at with this. How many years has Gronk been a top 3 TE? He's easily a first round pick but I wouldn't take him 1.01 in "many formats". TE premium or TD only, he's in the discussion. 2QB, standard, PPR w/o TE premium, etc. top 10 but not #1

Sure he's worth more than the rookie 1.01 all things being otherwise equal, but it's not peanuts.

 

[blardorg]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

If that isn't a TE premium league, you overpaid If that had been a late first plus Jeffery, I'd be happy with it, but the 1.02 is much more valuable than something like the 1.09 or 1.10 IMO (again, assuming not a TE premium league).

It's funny how wildly player values swing. Last year, Gronk was a risky 2nd round pick with crazy injury proneness, while Graham was a lock for mid/late 1st. Gronk has a healthy year, Graham has some injury issues, now Gronk is a 1.01 and Graham is a risky early 2nd pick (before he was traded, not sure where he will go now honestly).

 

[FUBAR]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

While I'd agree with your opinion of 1.06 basically equaling Lynch, so Mack is free; I doubt Watkins is worth much more than 1.03 by August. Right now maybe as the relatively known quantity, but Cooper, White, Gurley, and Gordon should be on par with Watkins - IMO.

 

[pizzatyme]

FFPC

Team A:

Sproles, Darren (RB), PHI
Bush, Reggie (RB), SF
Floyd, Michael (WR), ARI
2016 5th Round (RJD1) Draft Pick
2015 Pick 1.05 (Aunt Jemima's 2nd Dynasty) Draft Pick
2016 1st Round (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick
2015 Pick 2.01 (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick
2016 3rd Round (Trade Addict!) Draft Pick

Team B:
Anderson, C.J. (RB), DEN

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

FFPC

Team A:

Sproles, Darren (RB), PHI Bush, Reggie (RB), SF

Floyd, Michael (WR), ARI

2016 5th Round (RJD1) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 1.05 (Aunt Jemima's 2nd Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 1st Round (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 2.01 (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 3rd Round (Trade Addict!) Draft Pick

Team B:
Anderson, C.J. (RB), DEN

not sure of the FFPC significance but CJ anderson to me is a jag in a good offense

I would cash out for 2 firsts, the top 2nd rounder and Michael Floyd

Looks like an overpay to me

 

[Soulfly3]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

If that isn't a TE premium league, you overpaid If that had been a late first plus Jeffery, I'd be happy with it, but the 1.02 is much more valuable than something like the 1.09 or 1.10 IMO (again, assuming not a TE premium league).

It's funny how wildly player values swing. Last year, Gronk was a risky 2nd round pick with crazy injury proneness, while Graham was a lock for mid/late 1st. Gronk has a healthy year, Graham has some injury issues, now Gronk is a 1.01 and Graham is a risky early 2nd pick (before he was traded, not sure where he will go now honestly).

It is TE premium, but I'd have paid that even if it wasnt.

Graham going to SEA only boosts how valuable Gronk is, imo

 

[maxhyde]

FFPC

Team A:

Sproles, Darren (RB), PHI Bush, Reggie (RB), SF

Floyd, Michael (WR), ARI

2016 5th Round (RJD1) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 1.05 (Aunt Jemima's 2nd Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 1st Round (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 2.01 (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 3rd Round (Trade Addict!) Draft Pick

Team B:
Anderson, C.J. (RB), DEN

Floyd for me over CJ straight up so the 2 1sts covers even a nonPPR

 

[fredsavage]

FFPC

Team A:

Sproles, Darren (RB), PHI

Bush, Reggie (RB), SF

Floyd, Michael (WR), ARI

2016 5th Round (RJD1) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 1.05 (Aunt Jemima's 2nd Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 1st Round (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 2.01 (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 3rd Round (Trade Addict!) Draft Pick

Team B:

Anderson, C.J. (RB), DEN

Wut

 

[Billy Ball Thorton]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

Clearly you overpaid. Market price is much lower than that.

Clearly you over value Gronk.

I have Gronk and would really happy to accept that deal.

 

[Soulfly3]

Im overvaluing the 4th highest scorinf player in my league, who despite barely playing 1/3 of the season put up those numbers.

in a position where those numbers dont get put up. And are PPR'd at a premium

Ok

 

[maxhyde]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

Clearly you overpaid. Market price is much lower than that.

Clearly you over value Gronk.

I have Gronk and would really happy to accept that deal.

I own Gronk in a tiered PPR (.25/.5/1) and that would be pretty close to what it would take for me to move him.

It really depends on what the "premium" is imo.

1.5TE PPR I think it probably is an overpay but you need to overpay for studs. I think Gronk=Dez(Julio/AJG) and Jimmy=DT(Calvin). Not sure you need to pay Jeffery/1.02 to get AJG(Dez/Julio).

Given Gronk's injury history I will be a seller if I see a deal at his peak value but I am not itching to move him.

 

[One More Rep]

FFPC

Team A:

Sproles, Darren (RB), PHI Bush, Reggie (RB), SF

Floyd, Michael (WR), ARI

2016 5th Round (RJD1) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 1.05 (Aunt Jemima's 2nd Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 1st Round (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 2.01 (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 3rd Round (Trade Addict!) Draft Pick

Team B:
Anderson, C.J. (RB), DEN

Wow give me Floyd and the picks

 

[jeaton6]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

Gronk landslide

the vacuum strikes again. if it was a scenario that the guy explained above and that a salary cap is involved, the team trading away gronk wins and its not close or as you would say a landslide. this is why judging trades in a vacuum is bad, especially when people say things like landslide without any league facts or understanding what a team is doing or why its doing it.

the trade may be a land slide in the league it was made, but if the league is like a salary cap league, you have to know the whole situation. i am also learning here that people will take the side of the stud 9 times out of 10 regardless of what the person gets back so it seems counter productive to see what these guy will really be worth on the open market.

The OP gave no context outside of standard scoring - that was it. Under those circumstances, saying that the deal was a landslide for the Gronk owner was quite reasonable.

unless there's context included it's perfectly reasonable to assume a standard league. in which case, yes - I'd take Gronk over the 1.01 and Clay usually becomes almost irrelevant in a standard 12 team league.

Exactly. There will always be scenarios that can swing what appears to be an uneven trade back the other way. That said, as previous poster mentioned, Clay and the 2.12 are effectively irrelevant when evaluating this trade. Also, while I tend to agree a lot of the times everyone seems to pick the stud regardless of the pieces in this scenario that isn't even close to being the case as the pieces really do little to change the trade equity (before accounting for context, of course).

 

[FUBAR]

FFPC

Team A:

Sproles, Darren (RB), PHI Bush, Reggie (RB), SF

Floyd, Michael (WR), ARI

2016 5th Round (RJD1) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 1.05 (Aunt Jemima's 2nd Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 1st Round (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2015 Pick 2.01 (The V Dynasty) Draft Pick

2016 3rd Round (Trade Addict!) Draft Pick

Team B:
Anderson, C.J. (RB), DEN

not sure of the FFPC significance but CJ anderson to me is a jag in a good offense

I would cash out for 2 firsts, the top 2nd rounder and Michael Floyd

Looks like an overpay to me

big time.

Im overvaluing the 4th highest scorinf player in my league, who despite barely playing 1/3 of the season put up those numbers.

in a position where those numbers dont get put up. And are PPR'd at a premium

Ok

that's a pretty big key. still wouldn't call the top rookie pick "peanuts" but in your league your trade makes sense.

 

[ghostguy123]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

Players

 

[ghostguy123]

Standard Scoring

Team A gets: Gronk

Team B gets: 1.01, 2.10, Charles Clay

EDIT: So the debate can end here is context the context. QB, RB, WR, TE, 3 Flex, DT, 2 DE, 2 LB, 2 CB 2 S, 2 IDP Flex. Salary cap of $63,000. Gronk $9,000. Clay $3,150. Same years on contracts.

I bought Gronk. Couldn't be happier

From above. Generally I don't give as much detail, because when there is too much detail guys don't post. I don't know why, just been my experience here. When there is too little guys get into debates like the one above. Can't win to lose ... Sometimes.

Let the debate continue

If you don't give context, what is the point of seeing the responses?

All you need to give are league rules. Ya know, 12 team PPR, TE premium, superflex, salary cap.........................

Some people post entire rosters and rationals. I think those are the posts that mostly go neglected.

 

[ghostguy123]

and the week of Gronk being sold for relative peanuts continues...

the 1.01 is peanuts?

1.01 for Gronk? Who in many formats is the 1.01 OVERALL pick?

Yes.

I gave up 1.02 this year + alshon, and still think I underpaid... Id have given more than that, for sure.

Only in TE premium formats...any other and I think it is reaching taking a guy with that injury history at 1.01. Regardless of positional advantage you only get that if he plays

that's kind of where I'm at with this. How many years has Gronk been a top 3 TE? He's easily a first round pick but I wouldn't take him 1.01 in "many formats". TE premium or TD only, he's in the discussion. 2QB, standard, PPR w/o TE premium, etc. top 10 but not #1

Sure he's worth more than the rookie 1.01 all things being otherwise equal, but it's not peanuts.

It's called sarcasm people.

But comparatively, rookie pick 1 IS peanuts compared to Gronk Smash

 

[maxhyde]

It's called sarcasm people.

But comparatively, rookie pick 1 IS peanuts compared to Gronk Smash

Unless I can sign my rookie to 5+ years and Gronk has 2 left

 

[ghostguy123]

It's called sarcasm people.

But comparatively, rookie pick 1 IS peanuts compared to Gronk Smash

Unless I can sign my rookie to 5+ years and Gronk has 2 left

For trades like that, context is incredibly important. If my team sucks right now and wont be good for a while, with Gronk having 2 years left, then you can look into deals like that. After all, it's better to have something 3 years from now rather than nothing in the context that you aren't going to win anything in the next 2 years.

However, 2 great years of Gronk on a competitive team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?????? years out of those 5 will be good for that rookie. Not close at all in that context.

 

[blardorg]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

Watkins is in an awful spot, and any mock with him in late 1st is really overvaluing him IMO. Mid 2nd, though, sure. Like I said, it depends on landing spots, but it wouldn't be hard for any of the top 3 rookie WRs to land in a much better spot than Watkins. 90% of Watkins' talent + much better situation/offense > Watkins, for me.

 

[maxhyde]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

Watkins is in an awful spot, and any mock with him in late 1st is really overvaluing him IMO. Mid 2nd, though, sure. Like I said, it depends on landing spots, but it wouldn't be hard for any of the top 3 rookie WRs to land in a much better spot than Watkins. 90% of Watkins' talent + much better situation/offense > Watkins, for me.

An actual 16team PPR draft in progress Watkins went 1.16 and 2015 1.01 went 2.07. I'd say Watkins is viewed more favorably by many than you seems to like him.

BUF can get a competent QB easier than somebody can increase their talent 10%

 

[FUBAR]

It's called sarcasm people.

But comparatively, rookie pick 1 IS peanuts compared to Gronk Smash

Unless I can sign my rookie to 5+ years and Gronk has 2 left

For trades like that, context is incredibly important. If my team sucks right now and wont be good for a while, with Gronk having 2 years left, then you can look into deals like that. After all, it's better to have something 3 years from now rather than nothing in the context that you aren't going to win anything in the next 2 years.

However, 2 great years of Gronk on a competitive team >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>?????? years out of those 5 will be good for that rookie. Not close at all in that context.

maybe I'm completely wrong on this but even as a contender, I'll take the 1.01 at $5k/year over Gronk for $16k/year.

 

[blardorg]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

Watkins is in an awful spot, and any mock with him in late 1st is really overvaluing him IMO. Mid 2nd, though, sure. Like I said, it depends on landing spots, but it wouldn't be hard for any of the top 3 rookie WRs to land in a much better spot than Watkins. 90% of Watkins' talent + much better situation/offense > Watkins, for me.

An actual 16team PPR draft in progress Watkins went 1.16 and 2015 1.01 went 2.07. I'd say Watkins is viewed more favorably by many than you seems to like him.

BUF can get a competent QB easier than somebody can increase their talent 10%

Oops, didn't realize it was 16 team, assumed 12. Then yeah, end of 1st/early 2nd is where I view him (mid 2nd in 12). And with talent vs situation, that's fair enough, I was just trying to make the point that even if you think Cooper/White/Parker/etc are slightly worse than Watkins talent wise, they could be more valuable if they go somewhere with a (1) competent QB and (2) a decent passing offense, ya know? Though I'm not sure Buffalo can really trade for a competent QB very easily any time soon, the pickings have been really slim this off season.

 

[maxhyde]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

Watkins is in an awful spot, and any mock with him in late 1st is really overvaluing him IMO. Mid 2nd, though, sure. Like I said, it depends on landing spots, but it wouldn't be hard for any of the top 3 rookie WRs to land in a much better spot than Watkins. 90% of Watkins' talent + much better situation/offense > Watkins, for me.

An actual 16team PPR draft in progress Watkins went 1.16 and 2015 1.01 went 2.07. I'd say Watkins is viewed more favorably by many than you seems to like him.

BUF can get a competent QB easier than somebody can increase their talent 10%

Oops, didn't realize it was 16 team, assumed 12. Then yeah, end of 1st/early 2nd is where I view him (mid 2nd in 12). And with talent vs situation, that's fair enough, I was just trying to make the point that even if you think Cooper/White/Parker/etc are slightly worse than Watkins talent wise, they could be more valuable if they go somewhere with a (1) competent QB and (2) a decent passing offense, ya know? Though I'm not sure Buffalo can really trade for a competent QB very easily any time soon, the pickings have been really slim this off season.

I have no idea what league that is (12/16...doesn't matter) but draft position of 16 for Watkins says he is better than rookie 1.01 (went 23)

If those guys are valued as highly as Watkins which teams at the top of the draft has a better QB position or passing offense? Situations change...talent is talent. Keep talent in bad situations over less talent in an unknown situation

 

[FUBAR]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

Watkins is in an awful spot, and any mock with him in late 1st is really overvaluing him IMO. Mid 2nd, though, sure. Like I said, it depends on landing spots, but it wouldn't be hard for any of the top 3 rookie WRs to land in a much better spot than Watkins. 90% of Watkins' talent + much better situation/offense > Watkins, for me.

An actual 16team PPR draft in progress Watkins went 1.16 and 2015 1.01 went 2.07. I'd say Watkins is viewed more favorably by many than you seems to like him.

BUF can get a competent QB easier than somebody can increase their talent 10%

Oops, didn't realize it was 16 team, assumed 12. Then yeah, end of 1st/early 2nd is where I view him (mid 2nd in 12). And with talent vs situation, that's fair enough, I was just trying to make the point that even if you think Cooper/White/Parker/etc are slightly worse than Watkins talent wise, they could be more valuable if they go somewhere with a (1) competent QB and (2) a decent passing offense, ya know? Though I'm not sure Buffalo can really trade for a competent QB very easily any time soon, the pickings have been really slim this off season.

I have no idea what league that is (12/16...doesn't matter) but draft position of 16 for Watkins says he is better than rookie 1.01 (went 23)

If those guys are valued as highly as Watkins which teams at the top of the draft has a better QB position or passing offense? Situations change...talent is talent. Keep talent in bad situations over less talent in an unknown situation

better question - who doesn't?

You're also presuming WR goes #1. I won't make that presumption this year.

 

[JackReacher]

16-team, IDP, tiered-PPR, QB, 2RB, 3WR, 1TE, 2 DL, 3LB, 3 DB

Team A receives Lynch, Watkins, Mack

Team B receives 1.03 and 1.06

Having been in recent trade negotiations with team B (I'm not a part of this trade), I am kicking myself.

I don't think that's bad value, really. Lynch + Mack for 1.06 and Watkins for 1.03. Depending on landing spots, I could see one of Cooper/White/Parker being as or more valuable than Watkins at the moment. If the team selling Lynch is in rebuilding, that's not bad value to get for him.

Dude was on the losing side of both equations. Looking at startup dynasty mocks, Watkins is end 1st/early 2nd while the 1.03 is middle to end of the 3rd. Lynch is about equal to the 1.06, so Mack, a top 15 dynasty LB, was essentially free.

Watkins is in an awful spot, and any mock with him in late 1st is really overvaluing him IMO. Mid 2nd, though, sure. Like I said, it depends on landing spots, but it wouldn't be hard for any of the top 3 rookie WRs to land in a much better spot than Watkins. 90% of Watkins' talent + much better situation/offense > Watkins, for me.

An actual 16team PPR draft in progress Watkins went 1.16 and 2015 1.01 went 2.07. I'd say Watkins is viewed more favorably by many than you seems to like him.BUF can get a competent QB easier than somebody can increase their talent 10%

Oops, didn't realize it was 16 team, assumed 12. Then yeah, end of 1st/early 2nd is where I view him (mid 2nd in 12). And with talent vs situation, that's fair enough, I was just trying to make the point that even if you think Cooper/White/Parker/etc are slightly worse than Watkins talent wise, they could be more valuable if they go somewhere with a (1) competent QB and (2) a decent passing offense, ya know? Though I'm not sure Buffalo can really trade for a competent QB very easily any time soon, the pickings have been really slim this off season.

I have no idea what league that is (12/16...doesn't matter) but draft position of 16 for Watkins says he is better than rookie 1.01 (went 23)If those guys are valued as highly as Watkins which teams at the top of the draft has a better QB position or passing offense? Situations change...talent is talent. Keep talent in bad situations over less talent in an unknown situation

That's one draft. I disagree although it's close. I personally value QB/situation very highly for my wides. Not sure I would pick 1.1 at 16, but would definitely pass on Watkins there.

 

[blardorg]

I mean, if Cobb had gone to Oakland or Jacksonville, would anyone have thought he should be picked at mid 2nd round in a 12 team league? Of course not. If Watkins had Rodgers throwing him the ball, or was in Philly as the #1 WR even without a competent QB, I'd have no problem with him being a top 10 WR off the board. As it is, I probably prefer Kevin White or another top rookie WR in San Diego or Atlanta or Minnesota.