**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)

[bostonfred]

Bell is more valuable than other backs in ppr leagues because he catches more balls than they do.

But young backs are more valuable than receivers in non ppr because backs score more than receivers.

And its a double whammy because in a ppr league people often start a receiver in the flex but in non ppr you'd much rather start a rb in the flex, so rb 13 is devalued a ton in ppr, but wr25 is devalued a ton in non ppr.

 

[FUBAR]

Bell is more valuable than other backs in ppr leagues because he catches more balls than they do.

But young backs are more valuable than receivers in non ppr because backs score more than receivers.

And its a double whammy because in a ppr league people often start a receiver in the flex but in non ppr you'd much rather start a rb in the flex, so rb 13 is devalued a ton in ppr, but wr25 is devalued a ton in non ppr.

I always find it funny when people don't include lineup in these value discussions.Plus what kind of back is key - sproles types become a lot more valuable in ppr. Big play receivers lose value in ppr. Oddly few mention that.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

.33 ppr dynasty

Traded away Kelvin Benjamin and Julius Thomas for LeVeon bell... Other owner also dropped Marvin jones who I was able claim off waivers

...

Bell by a ton in 1ppr. Even more in .33 obviously

I like the bell side too but why would he be even more desireable in .33 as opposed to 1pt?

It's not that he's more valuable in .33 per reception, it's that the other side becomes even less valuable.

 

[Pwingles]

.33 ppr dynasty

Traded away Kelvin Benjamin and Julius Thomas for LeVeon bell... Other owner also dropped Marvin jones who I was able claim off waivers

...

Bell by a ton in 1ppr. Even more in .33 obviously

I like the bell side too but why would he be even more desireable in .33 as opposed to 1pt?

It's not that he's more valuable in .33 per reception, it's that the other side becomes even less valuable.

thats fair, i was just curious with his amount of Rec and lack of TD I thought it odd he would be more valuable, but I see what youre saying. Also, TD will come for a guy that talented so i guess its not that big of a worry

 

[Travieso]

Three different trades in three leagues; I am A and rebuilding in all. all leagues 12 teams and ppr. First 2 require 2 rb; last trade only requires 1.

All trades completed before free agency started.

A sends Doug Martin, Crabtree

for

B sends 2016 1st - 4th (playoff team in 2014)

A sends LMurray, Justin Blackmon, MQLee

for

B sends 1.6, 1.12

A sends Fitzg, Gore, 1.12, 2.01

for

B sends D.Hopkins 2016 3rd

 

[Zyphros]

Three different trades in three leagues; I am A and rebuilding in all. all leagues 12 teams and ppr. First 2 require 2 rb; last trade only requires 1.

All trades completed before free agency started.

A sends Doug Martin, Crabtree

for

B sends 2016 1st - 4th (playoff team in 2014)

A sends LMurray, Justin Blackmon, MQLee

for

B sends 1.6, 1.12

A sends Fitzg, Gore, 1.12, 2.01

for

B sends D.Hopkins 2016 3rd

I understand getting rid of Martin and Crab in a rebuild in the first one, but I fail to see how dumping Murray/Blackmon/Lee in the 2nd is good for a rebuild

 

[Matt's Eagles]

12 dynasty PPR league TE bonus

Team A gets

DeAndre Hopkins, Brian Hartline, Trent Richardson

Team B gets

Golden Tate, pick 1.12, 2.1, and a 2016 1st rounder (mid to late)

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

12 Team Ppr

1.09 for Martavis Bryant

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

12 dynasty PPR league TE bonus

Team A gets

DeAndre Hopkins, Brian Hartline, Trent Richardson

Team B gets

Golden Tate, pick 1.12, 2.1, and a 2016 1st rounder (mid to late)

Golden Tate side easy winner

 

[One More Rep]

12 Team Ppr

1.09 for Martavis Bryant

1.9

 

[cstu]

You're simplifying the argument and you seem to have a lot of recency bias on these players.

I don't see any reason to label Peterson as injury-prone, particularly with rested legs after sitting out a season. Injuries are going to happen to RBs but that's just the nature of the game/position. It's not like Peterson was popped for a DUI or smoking weed. I think the likelihood of the same type of occurrence happening again with Peterson is pretty small. I'd be much more worried if he had been suspended for substance-abuse or using PEDs, or hitting his wife/girlfriend.

Obviously they will maintain some of the elements that Peyton prefers, but Kubiak has a very defined offensive philosophy so it will clearly be a new system in place. To say anything different shows a poor understanding of blocking and running game concepts. Gase's system developed into more gap schemes and some power plays with occasional zone-blocking plays. I'm not saying that the Kubiak scheme is bad news for CJA, but Ball's college background is zone-blocking so it's a great fit for him. It fits a powerful one-cut and go RB which both CJA and Ball are, but Ball certainly has more experience in this type of system.

I like CJA and he might be a monster next season, but the problem is that his current market value already has workhorse back built into the price, and I think it is a risky investment considering all the young unproven RBs that used to be top 10 dynasty RBs a year or two ago but disappeared totally off the grid. CJA is currently going 39 overall and Ball is going 155 overall. You have to be very confident in CJA's position on the depth chart to pay that kind of price for him. Ball had so many injury troubles last year, between his appendectomy and groin injuries, so you can't judge his talent purely based on what he did last year - he looked pretty good when he was backing up Knowshon the year before. Here's what Elway said a few weeks ago:

”I still think that Montee’s a very good running back and it’s just a matter of getting him in the right spot, right position, have him be healthy, have him get some confidence. In this offense we’re going to use more than one back and I believe that Montee can be very helpful to the football team and do good things for us.”

I can understand that people want to invest in CJA because of the tremendous potential upside if it works out, but in my win now leagues I'd rather have ADP and lowball an offer for Montee Ball.

It wasn't a no-brainer but I liked how CJA played last year and thought it was worth the risk. The Broncos hired Kubiak and Dennison (Texans OC since 2010) so my hope is that CJA keeps the job and replicates Foster's success.

AD is 30 and took 1/16th of the beating he should have at age 29. I think he has plenty left in the tank but there's risk there and he's got 2-3 years left at best.

 

[Sabertooth]

12 dynasty PPR league TE bonus

Team A gets

DeAndre Hopkins, Brian Hartline, Trent Richardson

Team B gets

Golden Tate, pick 1.12, 2.1, and a 2016 1st rounder (mid to late)

Give me the Tate side as well. Hopkins is an upgrade over Tate but team be cleaned up on the throw-ins.

 

[ghostguy123]

.33 ppr dynasty

Traded away Kelvin Benjamin and Julius Thomas for LeVeon bell... Other owner also dropped Marvin jones who I was able claim off waivers

...

Bell by a ton in 1ppr. Even more in .33 obviously

I like the bell side too but why would he be even more desireable in .33 as opposed to 1pt?

Because WRs catch more passes than RBs, so when you devalue the receptions, you increase RB value relative to the WRs.

 

[ghostguy123]

.33 ppr dynasty

Traded away Kelvin Benjamin and Julius Thomas for LeVeon bell... Other owner also dropped Marvin jones who I was able claim off waivers

...

Bell by a ton in 1ppr. Even more in .33 obviously

I like the bell side too but why would he be even more desireable in .33 as opposed to 1pt?

It's not that he's more valuable in .33 per reception, it's that the other side becomes even less valuable.

Right.

Bell loses some value realtive to other RBs because he will catch more passes than most of the others, but Benjamin and Julius lose a lot of value.

 

[One More Rep]

12 team 1 ppr qb rbrb wrwrwr te flex (rb/wr/te) - TE premium

Team A gets J Graham, Morris, Garcon, 2016 1st (late)

Team B gets 1.3, B Cooks, Eifert

1.3/Cooks for me even with the tight end bump

 

[JonB86]

Made 2 deals in the same league today. It's a Superflex Devy, Tiered PPR (.5/1/1.5), start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 SFlex, 4 WRT Flex. It's devy as well.

Guys already taken from the upcoming draft: Gurley, Gordon, Cooper, Strong, Mariota, Winston, DGB, Diggs, M Davis, K Williams, Hundley, Funchess

My roster (not involved in deals):

Ryan/Big Ben/Geno
Gurley/Gordon/Jamaal C/Crowell

Jeffery/Cobb/Floyd/Tate/Maclin/Strong

Bennett

Deal 1:

Sent 1.09, 1.11 (I value them at 2.07, 2.09)

Got Emmanuel Sanders, 2.09 (I valued at 3.09)

Deal 2:

Sent CJ Spiller and my 2016 1st (I think its 1.09 to 1.12 with my roster)

Got 2016 Devy pick (range of 1.04 to 1.07 at best guess)

I own rookie 1.03 in the upcoming draft (Parker/White will go no 1/2, I will get one from Ajayi, Petty, Perriman, Coates, Williams, etc).

I also own Devy 3, 8 and 11 for the upcoming 2015 draft.

 

[maxhyde]

I am the other side of one of those deals.
Superflex Devy, Tiered PPR (.5/1/1.5), start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 SFlex, 4 WRT Flex.
My roster...apparently a 1.04-1.07 team

QB-Romo,Dalton,GriffinIII,Cousins,Manziel
RB-Martin,Helu,Spiller,WilliamsMIA,WilliamsAZ,Cunningham,JohnsonJAC,Pierce
WR-DBryant,Benjamin, KWright,BMarshall,Hurns,Jennings,Wayne, Welker,
TE-Cameron,Daniels, Owen DEN TE,Pitta,Rudolph

I am giving up devy 1.04-1.07 (if that's where it ends up) for Spiller and 2016 1.09-12

 

[Run It Up]

Deep Roster 12 Team, TE Premium, PPR:

Sent 2.08
Sent Jeremy Maclin

Sent Julius Thomas

Received 2.02
Received Antonio Brown

Tried to package Maclin and Thomas together in deals for Kelvin Benjamin and Julian Edelman + moving them up in the second, also proposed Maclin+Thomas+2.08 for Gronk, no luck.

I was stacked at TE in this league, Graham, Julius, Kelce, Green and Wright - This offseason left my team with a ton of question marks.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Deep Roster 12 Team, TE Premium, PPR:

Sent 2.08

Sent Jeremy Maclin

Sent Julius Thomas

Received 2.02

Received Antonio Brown

Tried to package Maclin and Thomas together in deals for Kelvin Benjamin and Julian Edelman + moving them up in the second, also proposed Maclin+Thomas+2.08 for Gronk, no luck.

I was stacked at TE in this league, Graham, Julius, Kelce, Green and Wright - This offseason left my team with a ton of question marks.

Unbelievably, good deal for you. I'm not sure how you swung the second round bump, because even if you reverse that it's a steal. Thomas won't be worthless in JAX but his value should take a much bigger hit than this deal indicates.

 

[One More Rep]

Deep Roster 12 Team, TE Premium, PPR:

Sent 2.08

Sent Jeremy Maclin

Sent Julius Thomas

Received 2.02

Received Antonio Brown

Tried to package Maclin and Thomas together in deals for Kelvin Benjamin and Julian Edelman + moving them up in the second, also proposed Maclin+Thomas+2.08 for Gronk, no luck.

I was stacked at TE in this league, Graham, Julius, Kelce, Green and Wright - This offseason left my team with a ton of question marks.

Brown

 

[Pwingles]

Deep Roster 12 Team, TE Premium, PPR:

Sent 2.08

Sent Jeremy Maclin

Sent Julius Thomas

Received 2.02

Received Antonio Brown

Tried to package Maclin and Thomas together in deals for Kelvin Benjamin and Julian Edelman + moving them up in the second, also proposed Maclin+Thomas+2.08 for Gronk, no luck.

I was stacked at TE in this league, Graham, Julius, Kelce, Green and Wright - This offseason left my team with a ton of question marks.

Unbelievably, good deal for you. I'm not sure how you swung the second round bump, because even if you reverse that it's a steal. Thomas won't be worthless in JAX but his value should take a much bigger hit than this deal indicates.

Yeah, i play in this league, my butt hurts right now. This is the JC owner who wouldnt give me a 2nd for Knile (the guy trading away brown)

 

[cstu]

Gave: Paul Richardson, my 2016 3rd

Got: Trent Richardson, my 2016 4th

 

[Pwingles]

Gave: Paul Richardson, my 2016 3rd

Got: Trent Richardson, my 2016 4th

So 1 acl and a 3rd, for 2.3ypc and a 4th?

 

[FUBAR]

Gave: Paul Richardson, my 2016 3rd

Got: Trent Richardson, my 2016 4th

Richardson.

 

[One More Rep]

Gave: Paul Richardson, my 2016 3rd

Got: Trent Richardson, my 2016 4th

I will go Trent here.

 

[pizzatyme]

Forsett, Justin (RB), BAL
2015 Pick 2.04
2015 Pick 3.04
2015 Pick 4.04
2016 2nd Round
2015 Pick 5.09
2015 Pick 7.09
2015 Pick 6.06

for

Robinson, Denard (RB), JAC
Wright, Kendall (WR), TEN
Thomas, Julius (TE), JAC

 

[Run It Up]

Forsett, Justin (RB), BAL

2015 Pick 2.04

2015 Pick 3.04

2015 Pick 4.04

2016 2nd Round

2015 Pick 5.09

2015 Pick 7.09

2015 Pick 6.06

for

Robinson, Denard (RB), JAC

Wright, Kendall (WR), TEN

Thomas, Julius (TE), JAC

Any idea how much Denard Robinson commanded in this trade, no idea how to valuate him. Not a fan of owning any Jags.

 

[cstu]

Forsett, Justin (RB), BAL

2015 Pick 2.04

2015 Pick 3.04

2015 Pick 4.04

2016 2nd Round

2015 Pick 5.09

2015 Pick 7.09

2015 Pick 6.06

for

Robinson, Denard (RB), JAC

Wright, Kendall (WR), TEN

Thomas, Julius (TE), JAC

Any idea how much Denard Robinson commanded in this trade, no idea how to valuate him. Not a fan of owning any Jags.

Forsett, 2.04, 2nd > Thomas, Wright

I'd rather take my chances with the 3.4 and all the late picks than Denard.

 

[Lott's Fingertip]

12 team ppr

I traded Denard Robinson + pick 32

received pick 17

 

[One More Rep]

Forsett, Justin (RB), BAL 2015 Pick 2.04

2015 Pick 3.04

2015 Pick 4.04

2016 2nd Round

2015 Pick 5.09

2015 Pick 7.09

2015 Pick 6.06

for

Robinson, Denard (RB), JAC Wright, Kendall (WR), TEN

Thomas, Julius (TE), JAC

JT/Wright

 

[LBH]

12 Team Ppr

1.09 for Martavis Bryant

Bryant

 

[JonB86]

Made 2 deals in the same league today. It's a Superflex Devy, Tiered PPR (.5/1/1.5), start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 SFlex, 4 WRT Flex. It's devy as well.

Guys already taken from the upcoming draft: Gurley, Gordon, Cooper, Strong, Mariota, Winston, DGB, Diggs, M Davis, K Williams, Hundley, Funchess

My roster (not involved in deals):

Ryan/Big Ben/Geno

Gurley/Gordon/Jamaal C/Crowell

Jeffery/Cobb/Floyd/Tate/Maclin/Strong

Bennett

Deal 1:

Sent 1.09, 1.11 (I value them at 2.07, 2.09)

Got Emmanuel Sanders, 2.09 (I valued at 3.09)

Deal 2:

Sent CJ Spiller and my 2016 1st (I think its 1.09 to 1.12 with my roster)

Got 2016 Devy pick (range of 1.04 to 1.07 at best guess)

I own rookie 1.03 in the upcoming draft (Parker/White will go no 1/2, I will get one from Ajayi, Petty, Perriman, Coates, Williams, etc).

I also own Devy 3, 8 and 11 for the upcoming 2015 draft.

Anybody on this one?

 

[FUBAR]

Made 2 deals in the same league today. It's a Superflex Devy, Tiered PPR (.5/1/1.5), start 1 QB, 1 RB, 1 WR, 1 TE, 1 SFlex, 4 WRT Flex. It's devy as well.

Guys already taken from the upcoming draft: Gurley, Gordon, Cooper, Strong, Mariota, Winston, DGB, Diggs, M Davis, K Williams, Hundley, Funchess

My roster (not involved in deals):

Ryan/Big Ben/Geno

Gurley/Gordon/Jamaal C/Crowell

Jeffery/Cobb/Floyd/Tate/Maclin/Strong

Bennett

Deal 1:

Sent 1.09, 1.11 (I value them at 2.07, 2.09)

Got Emmanuel Sanders, 2.09 (I valued at 3.09)

Deal 2:

Sent CJ Spiller and my 2016 1st (I think its 1.09 to 1.12 with my roster)

Got 2016 Devy pick (range of 1.04 to 1.07 at best guess)

I own rookie 1.03 in the upcoming draft (Parker/White will go no 1/2, I will get one from Ajayi, Petty, Perriman, Coates, Williams, etc).

I also own Devy 3, 8 and 11 for the upcoming 2015 draft.

Anybody on this one?

Sanders

I think Spiller/pick but really don't know the success rate of Devy picks.

 

[JonB86]

Average seems to be 6 to 8 of them being top 15 picks the next year with 2 more being top 25 and the remaining 2-4 being third rounders or busts. This year Diggs, Davis and Williams are the picks that have lost value!

Last year I took Gurley 1.02 and Strong at 1.10 but I very nearly took Bryce Petty at ten with it being a Superflex which would have been a worse pick!

 

[jeaton6]

12 team PPR Startup

AJ Green and McKinnon for Charles and Murray

 

[Run It Up]

12 team PPR Startup

AJ Green and McKinnon for Charles and Murray

Jamaal Charles and DeMarco Murray? If so them. I would need to know the starting requirements, but I still think I take Charles/Murray if its start 1RB flex 1RB

 

[Run It Up]

12 Team Ppr

1.09 for Martavis Bryant

Bryant

Leaning Bryant aswell, after acquiring Antonio Brown I'm wondering if I should pursue a trade away or just roster both.

 

[jeaton6]

12 team PPR Startup

AJ Green and McKinnon for Charles and Murray

Jamaal Charles and DeMarco Murray? If so them. I would need to know the starting requirements, but I still think I take Charles/Murray if its start 1RB flex 1RB

Yes sorry Jamaal and DeMarco. Start 2 RB, 2 WR, 2 flex

 

[ctrlaltdefeat]

12 Team Ppr

1.09 for Martavis Bryant

Bryant

Leaning Bryant aswell, after acquiring Antonio Brown I'm wondering if I should pursue a trade away or just roster both.

Same but I'm keeping brown and Martavis just in case one get hurts the other will continue to kill it plus some...

 

[LBH]

Team A gets Sammy Watkins

Team B gets 1.02

 

[Soulfly3]

12T PPR

Team A gets DJax and 2016 1st (probably late)

Team B gets Mason

So much mason

 

[FUBAR]

Team A gets Sammy Watkins

Team B gets 1.02

I've had this discussion recently except with the 1.01. I'd take the top pick over watkins in most formats, but probably watkins over the 2.

 

[Rolling_akg]

Team 1 gave up Ivory, Chris NYJ RB; Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.05;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.07;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.10;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.11; Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from team 1

Team 2 gave up Mason, Tre STL RB

 

[One More Rep]

12 team PPR Startup

AJ Green and McKinnon for Charles and Murray

AJ and McKinnon for me

X2

 

[ghostguy123]

Deep Roster 12 Team, TE Premium, PPR:

Sent 2.08

Sent Jeremy Maclin

Sent Julius Thomas

Received 2.02

Received Antonio Brown

Tried to package Maclin and Thomas together in deals for Kelvin Benjamin and Julian Edelman + moving them up in the second, also proposed Maclin+Thomas+2.08 for Gronk, no luck.

I was stacked at TE in this league, Graham, Julius, Kelce, Green and Wright - This offseason left my team with a ton of question marks.

Unbelievably, good deal for you. I'm not sure how you swung the second round bump, because even if you reverse that it's a steal. Thomas won't be worthless in JAX but his value should take a much bigger hit than this deal indicates.

That would be a great deal even if Maclin was still in Philly.

Terrible for the other guy

 

[ghostguy123]

Team 1 gave up Ivory, Chris NYJ RB; Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.05;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.07;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.10;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.11; Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from team 1

Team 2 gave up Mason, Tre STL RB

With small rosters I could understand Mason.

But any standard league with 20+ allowed at all times, picks easily for me.

Be nice to know SOMETHING about the league

 

[jmo87usc]

14 Team dynasty 1ppr

Start qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/TE/k

Team a receives

Doug Martin, Charles Sims, Bobby Rainey, Dwayne Allen

Team b receives

Joique Bell, Jay Cutler, Tyler Eifert, Greg Jennings.

Team a wanted to sure up a RB spot and get better floor TE

Team b (me) wanted to get upside backup TE, backup qb, and get a viable rb2 for this year. Jennings may have value if he lands somewhere decent.

 

[Rolling_akg]

Team 1 gave up Ivory, Chris NYJ RB; Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.05;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.07;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.10;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.11; Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from team 1

Team 2 gave up Mason, Tre STL RB

With small rosters I could understand Mason.

But any standard league with 20+ allowed at all times, picks easily for me.

Be nice to know SOMETHING about the league

Got it

25 roster spot with two spot taxi for rooks

Qb/2rb/3wr/te/flex. Ppr scoring

 

[cstu]

Team 1 gave up Ivory, Chris NYJ RB; Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.05;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.07;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.10;Year 2015 Draft Pick 2.11; Year 2016 Round 2 Draft Pick from team 1

Team 2 gave up Mason, Tre STL RB

With small rosters I could understand Mason.

But any standard league with 20+ allowed at all times, picks easily for me.

Be nice to know SOMETHING about the league

Got it

25 roster spot with two spot taxi for rooks

Qb/2rb/3wr/te/flex. Ppr scoring

You might want to check out the bust rate on mid-late 2nd rookie picks - it ain't pretty.

They are good trade chips though to help you move up.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

14 Team dynasty 1ppr

Start qb/rb/rb/wr/wr/wr/TE/k

Team a receives

Doug Martin, Charles Sims, Bobby Rainey, Dwayne Allen

Team b receives

Joique Bell, Jay Cutler, Tyler Eifert, Greg Jennings.

Team a wanted to sure up a RB spot and get better floor TE

Team b (me) wanted to get upside backup TE, backup qb, and get a viable rb2 for this year. Jennings may have value if he lands somewhere decent.

Another way to look at it is: Team A wanted to get far worse RB production in 2015 (while also adding the headache of owning a RBBC), wanted to give away massive upside at TE, while throwing in what could be a decent QB1 in a 14 team league (if he gets his head on straight) and a bye week WR for free.