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**Official 2015 Off-Season Dynasty Completed Trades Thread** (2 Viewers)
- Thread starter Dr. Octopus
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'll do this exact same trade every year if I can.
With the two 1sts I get, keep the better looking one at the trade deadline, and use the other one in a trade to fill a need or just upgrade something. Rinse repeat.
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Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
1.12 is on the wrong side imo
jeaton6
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why would anyone make that trade now with the draft happening tonight? If Atlanta takes a RB tonight or tomorrow (and maybe even on Saturday) you just traded the 1.03 for the 1.12 for all intents and purposes.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Kinda big one.
12 team PPR. Flexible lineups.
Gave:
1.8
1.10
1.12
Cruz
Crabtree
Housler
Got:
Demaryius Thomas
12 team PPR. Flexible lineups.
Gave:
1.8
1.10
1.12
Cruz
Crabtree
Housler
Got:
Demaryius Thomas
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Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Rockchild
Footballguy
It reminds me of some of the offers I get with a lengthy explanation on how great a deal it is for me!
Mighty Mice
Footballguy
I'm in this league too. Not involved.
After getting the 2.08 it was packaged with 2.10 for Mike Wallace.
1.10, 2.10
for
J.Bell, Wallace
Team has studs but no depth...finished 3rd.
Win now? Doesn't like the rooks? Interesting strategy.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
If Lions don't take a RB before the 3rd round, this could end up working out for him. 1.10 may end up being a crapshoot of a backup RB.
The_Head_Ape
Footballguy
Post 1st round of NFL draft...
10 team PPR QQRRWWWW
Matt Ryan, 1.9 2.9 and 2016 #1
for
Tannehill, 1.1, and 1.6
10 team PPR QQRRWWWW
Matt Ryan, 1.9 2.9 and 2016 #1
for
Tannehill, 1.1, and 1.6
Spike
Footballguy
jeaton6
Footballguy
No way I trade Ryan for Tannehill straight up in a 10 team 2QB league.
I like how Tannehill has progressed but Ryan is still much better imo
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
2014 fantasy points
Ryan: 284
Tann: 278
2013 fantasy points
Ryan: 248
Tann: 238
For all intents and purposed they've scored basically identical the last two years and Tannehill is younger and has had lots of upgrades to his surrounding cast. Straight up I would think would be pretty close, and even if not the disparity in picks in the deal is gigantic and far bigger than the gap in QBs.
Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
FUBAR
Footballguy
DT, by a lot. the logic is obvious on the other side, but he's greatly overestimating those picks.
1.6 = 2016 1st (taking a gamble) + 2.9
Tannehill >= Ryan (arguments can and will be made for either side, I'd take RT by a little)
1.9 for 1.1?
bostonfred
Footballguy
If you like Tannehill over Ryan its obviously a sweet deal. I just think Ryan >>> tannehill, so it seems fair to me.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I can understand liking Ryan more, but not ">>>" more.
I'm a Matt Ryan dynasty owner myself so I'm open to hearing about it, but it seems like an odd position when they've been exactly equal the last two years and Tannehill has seen his supporting cast upgraded while all Ryan has gotten is another year of age on Roddy White.
bostonfred
Footballguy
the last two years were worst case for atlanta, between massive offensive line injuries, Roddy injuries, Julio injuries, and an underperforming Steven Jackson, during which time Ryan has significantly improved his progressions.
The dolphins watched their division get even tougher on defense, and while they've added some good young targets (and lost Wallace), there's no certainty that tannehill will take the leap from mid level qb to the production Ryan has already shown, or that his young targets are anywhere close to what Ryan has with Julio/Roddy/whoever replaces Roddy some day.
They're both young, and I get that tannehill has shown promise, but I've got Ryan top five among dynasty qbs, and tannehill outside my top ten, especially in 2qb, so yes, >>>.
The dolphins watched their division get even tougher on defense, and while they've added some good young targets (and lost Wallace), there's no certainty that tannehill will take the leap from mid level qb to the production Ryan has already shown, or that his young targets are anywhere close to what Ryan has with Julio/Roddy/whoever replaces Roddy some day.
They're both young, and I get that tannehill has shown promise, but I've got Ryan top five among dynasty qbs, and tannehill outside my top ten, especially in 2qb, so yes, >>>.
To be fair Ryan in 2013 Harry Douglas led the Falcons in receiving if I remember correctly.
Also Dalton's numbers over years 1-3 are actually better than Tannehill's and I wouldn't trade Ryan for him either. I really like Tannehill and he should continue to grow but I still think Ryan is better short and long term. He has had pretty bad teams and kept them competitive almost on his own.
Disclaimer: Only to make a point I like Tannehill more than Dalton
Tannehill:
yr comp att yds td int ru yds td fl
2014 392 590 4045 27 12 55 317 1 2
2013 355 588 3913 24 17 39 238 1 5
2012 282 484 3294 12 13 49 197 2 4
Dalton:
yr comp att yds td int ru yds td fl
2013 363 586 4296 33 20 61 183 2 3
2012 329 529 3669 27 16 47 120 4 4
2011 300 516 3398 20 13 37 152 1 2
I am not saying anyone has to value Ryan > Tannehill but I would probably give up Tanny/1.06 for Ryan and feel like I did pretty well.
Obviously the guy dealing for Ryan feels like that as well
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
And Tannehill wasn't dealing with similar issues? You know, when he had what was already considered possibly the worse offensive line in the league that then lost 2 additional starters with the bullying mess?
This is what I'm not getting. What leap? What "production that Ryan has already shown"? They're production is identical. Matt Ryan's best ever fantasy finish is QB7 and that was in an absolute best-case scenario that will never be repeated unless Atlanta finds a second stud WR and another stud TE. Why not take QB8 who actually has top 5 upside instead?
And Brian Hartline led the Dolphins in receiving that year so I'm not really sure that separates them any.
Dalton, however, is clearly trending downward.
I think this brings up an interesting point in Ryan vs. Tannehill. Ryan has pretty well leveled off. We saw pretty much a best case scenario for him in 2012 when he had TWO stud receivers AND a stud TE and, while he was good, he only scored 20 more points than Tannehill put up this year with a whole lotta nothing around him.
Tannehill, meanwhile, has trended upwards every year while Dalton has gone backwards and Ryan has leveled off.
Ryan and Dalton have both already spent time in great situations and did only marginally better than Tannehill did this year in a bad one. Situation is never going to get better than 2012 for Ryan. Meanwhile Tannehill has an influx of new talent including potentially a stud receiver. Maybe that new talent doesn't work out in which case no big deal because Tannehill without a stud WR is already matching Ryan with a stud WR point for point. But what if Tannehill gets some good receivers too?
Matt Ryan is what he is. A mid-level dynasty QB with minimal upside who could only eek out a QB7 finish in an absolute best case scenario where everything around him went right.
The disparity in Ryan/Tannehill's rushing numbers are worth 5-7 passing TDs tossed on top of Tannehill's stats as well, which seems to be overlooked.
Dalton "trended" upward for 3 years too...before losing his 3 best receiving options for parts or all of last year. Matt Ryan trended upwards for years
Anyway we agree to disagree. I actually have Tannehill in my top 10 dynasty QB's I just trust Ryan more.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Good post. I think i still prefer Ryan but you made your point well.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I gave 1.12 2.04 and 2.12
I got Golden Tate and Sanders
Ppr 6 points all tds 1,2,2,1 and 2 flex
I am a contender, other guy is new to the league and wants to rebuild an average team, at best.
I got Golden Tate and Sanders
Ppr 6 points all tds 1,2,2,1 and 2 flex
I am a contender, other guy is new to the league and wants to rebuild an average team, at best.
jeaton6
Footballguy
Obviously dirt cheap for the players
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Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I'm sure the rest of the league just loved that one.msudaisy26 said:
cstu
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
1.4, but reasonable people can differ
cstu
Footballguy
You only have to start 1 RB in this league and I'm not interested in Gordon if Gurley/Cooper/White are gone.
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Footballguy
loose circuits
Footballguy
Separate deals in my league- 12 team PPR (30 man rosters during season)
R gave up Year 2015 Draft Pick 3.10; Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from (11th pick this year)
D gave up Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR
R gave up Latimer, Cody DEN WR
L gave up Edelman, Julian NEP WR
3.12 for Garropolo and 5.12
2017 1st (1.11 this year and fairly young team) for 2.04
L gave up Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB;Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR;Wheaton, Markus PIT WR; Year 2016 Round 3;Year 2017 Round 1 Draft Pick;Year 2017 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2017 Round 3 Draft Pick. (All picks from the 1.12 team this year who is stacked)
D gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR
Another similar league I gave up my 2016 1st (middle of pack) for 1.12 because I love this 1st round
R gave up Year 2015 Draft Pick 3.10; Year 2016 Round 1 Draft Pick from (11th pick this year)
D gave up Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR
R gave up Latimer, Cody DEN WR
L gave up Edelman, Julian NEP WR
3.12 for Garropolo and 5.12
2017 1st (1.11 this year and fairly young team) for 2.04
L gave up Tannehill, Ryan MIA QB;Maclin, Jeremy KCC WR;Wheaton, Markus PIT WR; Year 2016 Round 3;Year 2017 Round 1 Draft Pick;Year 2017 Round 2 Draft Pick;Year 2017 Round 3 Draft Pick. (All picks from the 1.12 team this year who is stacked)
D gave up Stafford, Matthew DET QB;Hopkins, DeAndre HOU WR
Another similar league I gave up my 2016 1st (middle of pack) for 1.12 because I love this 1st round
cstu
Footballguy
I don't care too much about situation but that's a crowded one with a QB I don't entirely believe in. He would have been the pick if I liked him a little better (has questionable routing running IMO).
Was actually just talking about this hypothetical a couple of days ago. I think I'd value 1.04 > Cooks > 1.05.
Trade from a few weeks back
Team A gave: Calvin Johnson, Jamaal Charles, 1.08
Team B gave: Le'Veon Bell, T.Y. Hilton
non-PPR, start 1/2/3/1, no flex.
Team A gave: Calvin Johnson, Jamaal Charles, 1.08
Team B gave: Le'Veon Bell, T.Y. Hilton
non-PPR, start 1/2/3/1, no flex.
blardorg
Footballguy
Cheap for Maclin, imo, but understandable. I'm cautiously optimistic he can remain a very low end WR2 or high end WR3, but not too confident.
Latimer for Edelman is indefensible. In full PPR, Edelman was something like WR14. Atrocious trade.
Cheap for Garropolo. I don't think 3.12 is going to buy any better lotto ticket.
I'll take Hopkins, because Stafford vs Tannehill is roughly a wash, and Hopkins is better than Maclin, Wheaton, and a couple picks in 2 years.
2016 1st for 1.12 is something I wouldn't really go for. If you're middle of the pack, I imagine an injury to a key player or something would drop you into the 1.01 - 1.03 range. I understand where you're coming from, but I think you could be regretting it next year.
loose circuits
Footballguy
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Footballguy
I am pretty high on Tannehill and Parker so that sways me toward 1.4. I like Cooks also and can see him turning out better, so it is close for me
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Scoonie Pencil
Footballguy
12-Team PPR, QRRWWWTFKD
Team A Receives: 2016 1st (mid-to-late)
Team B Receives: McFadden, 2016 2nd (mid-to-late)
Team A Receives: 2016 1st (mid-to-late)
Team B Receives: McFadden, 2016 2nd (mid-to-late)
