There is a great script brewing for a Redskins outright victory tonight. See the FFA Wagering Thread for my complete write-up on tonight's game.
Why is local sports radio obsessed with Shanahan? He'll be on Grant and Danny today.
For a coach who was 24-40 during his tenure here, you would think he won multiple Super Bowls here according to the local media.
Mike Shanahan has a legitimate shot at going to the Pro Football HOF as a Coach, who was hired here under false pretenses and had the rug pulled out from under him during year 3. If Snyder hadn't broken his word to not interfere with football operations, Griffin would never have been drafted, Shanahan would likely still be here, (with his rock star of an Offensive Coordinator son, Kyle), and the Redskins are likely a lot better than 7-25 over the last 2 seasons, and a few years into building something designed for long-term success. Grant and Danny are on 106.7 FM, the counterpunch to Snyder-Owned propaganda machine 980 AM. If I were the programming director, I'd have Shanahan on as often as he wanted to, as well as anyone else who's no longer with the Team, but spent some time here under the Snyder regime, and I'd offer everything I had in my power to offer to tell the inside story about what was going on behind the scenes with Snyder during his tenure here.
I'm sorry but this is a pathetic attempt at revisionist history and hypothetical BS.
Rug pulled out from under him during year 3??? 2012 was the only season Shanny didnt finish dead last in the division as the Skins HC, the only season Shanny won a division in his last 7 years as a coach, and the only time he's even made the playoffs in his last 7 years as a coach. And it was almost entirely due to an amazing season by a rookie QB named RG3 and his son, Kyle as a playcaller. He should have had the rug pulled out on him more often.
Let's not forget that this is the same man who said he would stake his reputation on Rex Grossman and John Beck working out as QBs. "Put my reputation on that these guys can play." Funnny how this never gets mentioned when he is offering his opinion on the future of current NFL QBs.
Bottom line is the guy has a great resume and was a good coach at one time. He was, overall, most certainly not a good coach with the Skins or the unwilling victim that he, and apparently others, now want to make him out to be. He should have never played Griffin against Seattle or at the beginning of 2013. I don't care what the owner, a 22 year old, or a marketing campagin were pushing for. YOU are the Head Coach. YOU have a guaranteed contract worth good money to make those decisions.
This false pretenses, rug pulled out from him BS is just that.
No, definitely not good posting, especially not the bolded. VaTerp, you're a relatively recent addition to the Forums (2009). I honestly don't know how long you've populated, read or posted in the Yearly Team Threads, so you just might not know that when I make the time to post here, most of the time I'm bringing much more than my opinion to the discussion - instead, I bring facts/informed opinions coming from non-traditional sources: people I know to varying degrees, (some friends, some acquaintances), who either have worked for, or are currently working for, the Redskins, both on the Team/Locker Room side and the Office/Management side. Primarily stuff I've discreetly overheard or conversations I've participated in while attending both formal and informal private social functions with said people, none of whom are Snyderbots, and definitely when the cameras and mikes aren't present. Now, my access is neither as close, nor as prevalent as it once was, as my close friend (a member of the Coaching Staff during most of the 1st decade of the 2000's), who was my point of access is no longer directly employed by the Team...but he's still local and works in an unofficial capacity with the Team, and independently with several current and former players, many of which he's good friends with. Every now and then, including recently, I'm invited to private social events where I'm exposed to and/or engaged in off-the-record conversations these people would never have with the media, stuff that the general public is never supposed to know or hear.
Time and time again, over the years, I've posted information here, as a favor, to enlighten the folks who inhabit the Thread as to the reality behind all the stuff they are fed by conventional media channels, and the crap being spewed by the Team's PR machine, usually with the caveat that 'You all aren't going to believe this' or 'truth is stranger than fiction' or some similar lead in, and time and time again, many of the things I've posted have come to pass, or rung true to various degrees, much to the (unpleasant) shock and surprise of the majority of folks here. I've always left it up to the readers to believe what I post, or not, because, for obvious reasons, I cannot come forward with the who, where, etc. details of the conversations I've either overheard or participated in. There are plenty of Thread Regulars who can attest to this.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, that you just don't know any better, but regardless, your belligerent tone is really poor form, and completely unnecessary. One thing the world really needs less of is internetbrashguy. Also, it's generally a good idea, when embarking on a course to impugn the integrity of an individual, or denigrating the information he brings to the table, one does their homework on their target. I've put in the time and effort to see that mine is established, verified and unimpeachable, and if anyone takes a shot at me, I'm going to fire back, hence this post. When I have the time, if you'd like, I'll gladly post at length for you what I learned first-hand from conversations with folks on both sides of the fence (managment and team), about how the relationship between Snyder and Shanahan began devolving as early as June of 2010, when, less than 4 months after he'd been hired (under the impression that he had complete control of all player personnel decisions), Snyder, with Allen, stepped in and orchestrated that abysmal trade for McNabb (which, parallel to the drafting of both Jason Campbell and Griffin, had something to do with McNabb being black, as much as anything else - this goes back to the deep impression it made on the young marketing genius, growing up locally during the era, how much of a positive financial impact it had on the Team when the Doug Williams-led Team won the Super Bowl), when we could have signed Shanahan's choice, Marc Bulger, as a street free-agent for no compensation, in the few days after the trade, when Bulger was released outright by the Rams. You'd have thought Snyder would have learned his lesson after that massive flop, but the darn fool and his greedy nature can't get out of his own way, and when the opportunity to draft another potential superstar black quarterback presented itself, with all the potential trappings to go along with it, he just couldn't say no, and he absolutely, positively overrode Shanahan, and made that decision unilaterally, and after that, the rift couldn't be healed, and it was only a matter of time before the wheels fell off the bus for the umpteenth time, about the umpteenth thing, during the Snyder tenure. If you want to update the fallout tally of Snyder's meddling in this, you can add the 4th-rounder spent on Cousins in 2012, because that pick was made in response to Snyder orchestrating the trade and dictating the pick, usurping the authority he had given Shanahan yet again, and for the second time, squandering valuable draft picks in the process.
Aside: Does anyone think, for a minute, what the 'Griffin era' might have been like if Mike/Kyle had
not been here in 2012 and Snyder had drafted Griffin with a less innovative pair of offensive minds? I know it's not the popular opinion, and it stings mightily (the truth often does) to the willfully ignorant faithful, but objective, qualified professional personnel men from all over have reached a general consensus that Griffin, while undeniably an athletically gifted and successful college QB, has neither the burning desire, nor the football IQ to translate all that college success to the NFL-caliber QB stage, especially now that from the waist down, he's no longer anything unique and special, and from the neck up, he's been exposed as never having been. There's plenty of information to be found that supports that assertion. The fall from grace might have been faster, and uglier, and (hey look!
now here's a conjecture on my part!) the 2012 Season might not have played out the way it did. Just where did boy genius Kyle learn the foundation of the knowledge base he employed so deftly and ingeniously to craft an offense that would allow a supreme athlete to look the part of an NFL QB despite being deficient in many critical areas? His Dad, Mike, that's who - who was a seasoned NFL Offensive mind for decades before Griffin came along, from a different branch of the same tree that Joe Jackson Gibbs developed his own unique concepts from: Air Coryell (vertical) evolving and intermingling with West Coast (horizontal), and evolving yet again, and who is largely credited among his peers for modernizing and developing the zone blocking 'zone stretch' approach that's now a staple of the modern-day NFL lexicon? Those principles, developed by Shanahan and Alex Gibbs based on stuff Sam Wyche started tinkering with during his time with the 49'ers before he left to Coach the Bengals, were the basis on which the offense designed to maximize Griffin in his rookie year. Principles which Mike Shanahan is the undisputed modern-day architect. Although both Kyle and Gary Kubiak are considered present-day innovative coaches, they achieved their success under the tutelege of Mike - Kubiak was the QB Coach of the 49'ers when Mike Shanahan's skills as an Offensive Coordinator landed him the Broncos job, and he brought his disciple Kubiak with him, and promoted him to OC.
You want some 'Good Posting'? Go back and read Mike Apf's post #392 back on page 8,
including point 6 - I'm sorry if you don't like it, or disagree VaTerp, or Sebowski (surprised with you), or Hang 10 or Matt Fancy, or Zdravko or whoever else liked the inappropriate disparaging comment directed towards my post, but that's the closest brush to reality that this Thread has had in the last 2 pages, much of which are filled with commentary that seems to be very misinformed about what really has gone on, and continues to go on, around our Team, and which sounds like it's coming from either the mainstream media or the ***official*** Organization-sponsered Team hype machine, or just opinions not grounded in fact. Well, what folks with an emotional investment would like things to be, seldom jives with 'what is'. Again, I'm sorry about my lack of time I can dedicate to responding to some of that stuff is sporadic at best, but it's the nature of my career...but I intend to address several of those posts and posters individually when I have the time to try and bring some perspective directly from the information I have access to.
Truth is stranger, and uglier than fiction...and Daniel Snyder is one of the strangest, ugliest people I've ever encountered - and in my capacity as a Chef, I have encountered him personally, and I've also known various incarnations of his and Tanya's personal chef, personal trainer, and hair stylist over the last several years...and as he lived reasonably close to me, and attended a rival high school in roughly the same era as I did, I also happen to know people who have known him since he was boy. I ask a lot of questions, and I listen to the responses for common themes. Anyone is welcome to dislike or not believe anything I bring to the table, but bring your response in a courteous manner and respectful tone, if you please, and I'll be happy to engage when I can. I'm not one of the people who can post here seemingly all day and night long, at a moment's notice. When I take the time to post, I have to decide
not to do something else more important, in order to do it - so I don't bring anything pathetic, revisionist or hypothetical to the Forum - I just don't have that kind of time to waste. I bring the strange and ugly truth as best I can determine it to be, for your enjoyment and, I hope, your enlightenment, from sources you'd otherwise not be exposed to, much the same as Cecil Lammey does for the Broncos, and David Yudkin for the Patriots. The revelations are rarely pleasant, and some are downright unbelievable, but the truth always seems to come out, if given enough time...
Things are rarely as they seem on the surface, especially when dealing with an individual as convoluted as our very own Danny-boy. We all ought to know that by now. There's 15+ years worth of material to work with/evidence to go by. In regards to Mike Shanahan in particular, he was indeed hired on false pretenses and had the rug pulled out from under him (undermined by Snyder in both the McNabb and the Griffin decisions after being hired under the condition that he'd have complete authority and final say on all personnel decisions - both stocking the fridge and cooking dinner), and those actions by Snyder, and the ripple-effect emanating from them have done significant harm to the organization, and by association, to us, the fans.
