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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

Jeb's slogan should be, "Make America Greater."

Come up with a sensible immigration plan and wrap your arms around Reagan's amnesty. Not going that far. Just say Reagan over and over.

With the immigration problem in Europe our issues seem minor.

The goal is to win the executive not win the Republican nomination and get 12% the Latino vote on election day.
You can win the general election without doing well with the Latino vote.

Name me the states that you think Jeb or any GOP nominee could win if they managed to pander to Latinos and bribe them with supporting amnesty to get their vote?

 
Jeb's slogan should be, "Make America Greater."

Come up with a sensible immigration plan and wrap your arms around Reagan's amnesty. Not going that far. Just say Reagan over and over.

With the immigration problem in Europe our issues seem minor.

The goal is to win the executive not win the Republican nomination and get 12% the Latino vote on election day.
You can win the general election without doing well with the Latino vote.

Name me the states that you think Jeb or any GOP nominee could win if they managed to pander to Latinos and bribe them with supporting amnesty to get their vote?
It's not pandering to say we don't want to revoke the 14th amendment along with rounding up millions of people to be deported some how. You brought up amnesty. I didnt.

"Doing well." More like lowest ever. No chance. Feel free to bring up the states that won't matter either way. I don't want to do the frivolous leg work.

 
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Don't know why Jeb doesn't attack Trump by saying something like, "America has always been great and will continue to be so by doing xyz."

Does Trump not think America is great?

Use his own slogan. "Make America great again." If a liberal said that they'd get crucified.

Whenever Trump cuts into you. Say, "Why don't you think America is great." Just repeat it over and over. When Trump backtracks and says America is great. Then just ask Trump why is that your slogan? Do you not have respect for what we do around the world.

Over and over.
When there is a dem president, conservatives think America is no longer great.

 
cstu said:
I find it incredible that the party of William F. Buckley (who I respected even if I disagreed philosophically) has reduced itself to this level of ignorance and idiocy.
:lol: And you believe those who vote Democrat would not have stupid answers to questions? The American public has a lot of misinformation on numerous topics.
There's no shortage of stupid voters, I'm talking about the people running for President and in leadership positions. I can't remember the last time I heard a Republican leader talk and thought "I disagree but that's well thought out reasoning"..
I felt Newt Gingrich was a smart man whether I agreed with his positions or not. It's all relative compared to the other Republican candidates though and that's admittedly a low bar these days.

 
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Daywalker said:
SIDA! said:
Daywalker said:
Jeb's slogan should be, "Make America Greater."

Come up with a sensible immigration plan and wrap your arms around Reagan's amnesty. Not going that far. Just say Reagan over and over.

With the immigration problem in Europe our issues seem minor.

The goal is to win the executive not win the Republican nomination and get 12% the Latino vote on election day.
You can win the general election without doing well with the Latino vote.Name me the states that you think Jeb or any GOP nominee could win if they managed to pander to Latinos and bribe them with supporting amnesty to get their vote?
It's not pandering to say we don't want to revoke the 14th amendment along with rounding up millions of people to be deported some how. You brought up amnesty. I didnt."Doing well." More like lowest ever. No chance. Feel free to bring up the states that won't matter either way. I don't want to do the frivolous leg work.
Lol at frivolous leg work.

Okay. So, you think the GOP nominee has a chance of winning California?

 
Daywalker said:
SIDA! said:
Daywalker said:
Jeb's slogan should be, "Make America Greater."

Come up with a sensible immigration plan and wrap your arms around Reagan's amnesty. Not going that far. Just say Reagan over and over.

With the immigration problem in Europe our issues seem minor.

The goal is to win the executive not win the Republican nomination and get 12% the Latino vote on election day.
You can win the general election without doing well with the Latino vote.Name me the states that you think Jeb or any GOP nominee could win if they managed to pander to Latinos and bribe them with supporting amnesty to get their vote?
It's not pandering to say we don't want to revoke the 14th amendment along with rounding up millions of people to be deported some how. You brought up amnesty. I didnt."Doing well." More like lowest ever. No chance. Feel free to bring up the states that won't matter either way. I don't want to do the frivolous leg work.
Lol at frivolous leg work.

Okay. So, you think the GOP nominee has a chance of winning California?
No

 
Daywalker said:
SIDA! said:
Daywalker said:
Jeb's slogan should be, "Make America Greater."

Come up with a sensible immigration plan and wrap your arms around Reagan's amnesty. Not going that far. Just say Reagan over and over.

With the immigration problem in Europe our issues seem minor.

The goal is to win the executive not win the Republican nomination and get 12% the Latino vote on election day.
You can win the general election without doing well with the Latino vote.Name me the states that you think Jeb or any GOP nominee could win if they managed to pander to Latinos and bribe them with supporting amnesty to get their vote?
It's not pandering to say we don't want to revoke the 14th amendment along with rounding up millions of people to be deported some how. You brought up amnesty. I didnt."Doing well." More like lowest ever. No chance. Feel free to bring up the states that won't matter either way. I don't want to do the frivolous leg work.
Lol at frivolous leg work.

Okay. So, you think the GOP nominee has a chance of winning California?
No
Does anyone think the GOP nominee has a chance of winning New York?

 
Do you think this article from 2012 Hispanic Population soars in Presidential Swing States is more or less true in 2016?
I think Republicans should continue to listen to people who say that they only way to save a patient suffering from the gun shot would on the crash cart is to let the patient continue to bleed out instead of stopping the loss of blood.

Seems like a brilliant plan to me.

Population soaring does not mean that it is entirely attributable to growth in American citizens.

Nor does it mean that the population of voting age people increased significantly.

Nor does it mean that just because a group of people increased in size that voting turnout will increase with it

Nor does it mean that Hispanics vote in a monolithic block.

Nor does it mean that the millions of voters of other ethnic groups cannot be persuaded to vote Republican when they previously voted Democrat.

The GOP isn't going to win CA or NY. I doubt they would win Illinois either, although they do have a GOP governor right now (I think).

The Dems aren't going to win Texas or Arizona. Florida will still be a toss up.

Those are the six states with the largest hispanic populations.

Swing states are swing states and though an increasing hispanic population on the surface would be assumed to be a negative...they are still winnable with a sound message/campaign.

At the end of the day...the GOP has two choices.

Listen to liberals who clearly do not have the best interest of their party in mind and just basically give up and give in to amnesty. That will result in the death of the party. Great. Fantastic.

The second choice is to stop the bleeding and crackdown now, if it isn't too late already, and save the party.

Because as it stands...listening to you and Tim and others...hispanic voters cannot be won over unless the GOP gives them amnesty. Well...the GOP gave them amnesty in the 80s under Reagan.

That worked out fan####ingtastically for the GOP. So...lets do it again.

 
Fennis said:
Don't know why Jeb doesn't attack Trump by saying something like, "America has always been great and will continue to be so by doing xyz."

Does Trump not think America is great?

Use his own slogan. "Make America great again." If a liberal said that they'd get crucified.

Whenever Trump cuts into you. Say, "Why don't you think America is great." Just repeat it over and over. When Trump backtracks and says America is great. Then just ask Trump why is that your slogan? Do you not have respect for what we do around the world.

Over and over.
When there is a dem president, conservatives think America is no longer great.
As opposed to Dems that think America is just another country no matter who is president.

 
Fennis said:
Don't know why Jeb doesn't attack Trump by saying something like, "America has always been great and will continue to be so by doing xyz."

Does Trump not think America is great?

Use his own slogan. "Make America great again." If a liberal said that they'd get crucified.

Whenever Trump cuts into you. Say, "Why don't you think America is great." Just repeat it over and over. When Trump backtracks and says America is great. Then just ask Trump why is that your slogan? Do you not have respect for what we do around the world.

Over and over.
When there is a dem president, conservatives think America is no longer great.
As opposed to Dems that think America is just another country no matter who is president.
Man, you're really dialed into what Dems think...ever consider a career as a political analyst?

 
Listen to liberals who clearly do not have the best interest of their party in mind and just basically give up and give in to amnesty. That will result in the death of the party. Great. Fantastic.
I do not understand how this would destroy the party. Are those opposed to amnesty going to start voting Democrat over it?

 
Fennis said:
Don't know why Jeb doesn't attack Trump by saying something like, "America has always been great and will continue to be so by doing xyz."

Does Trump not think America is great?

Use his own slogan. "Make America great again." If a liberal said that they'd get crucified.

Whenever Trump cuts into you. Say, "Why don't you think America is great." Just repeat it over and over. When Trump backtracks and says America is great. Then just ask Trump why is that your slogan? Do you not have respect for what we do around the world.

Over and over.
When there is a dem president, conservatives think America is no longer great.
As opposed to Dems that think America is just another country no matter who is president.
Man, you're really dialed into what Dems think...ever consider a career as a political analyst?
"for the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country"

 
Interesting that Huckabee was on stage but Cruz was not. Slick move by Cruz to "support" her but not directly take the heat of being on stage with her? Clearly a play for relevance by Huckabee.

-QG

 
Recycled loser, Jeb Bush flailing his arms with a 'look at me moment'. Lame attempt to roll out a fake tax plan that he has no intention of moving forward with. Total ####### loser.

 
I think the next debate can be a springboard for someone like kasich, Rubio, or even Firoina to gain steam as a viable "not crazy, not Jeb" candidate. At least I hope so.

 
Other than the last name, why is Bush not a viable choice for sane Republicans?
He's a dweeb. And his immigration policy sucks.
Hmmm. He doesn't come off as a dweeb to me. Perhaps dry, or even a bit boring, but someone like Jindal comes off as infinitely more dweeby to me. Even so, does perceived dweebiness really render him unviable as a candidate to mainstream Republicans?As for his more moderate immigration stance, that makes sense. But the sane amongst the Republican Party don't really think we're going deport 11 million illegals or build a wall across the southern border, do they? Bush has come out with a six point strategy for strengthening border enforcement and enforcing immigration laws. It's a pretty good read.

https://jeb2016.com/securing-border-enforcing-immigration-laws/?lang=en

What is it specifically about his immigration policy that you think makes him an unacceptable candidate? And is his position on that one issue really enough for you to categorically dismiss him as a candidate?

 
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I really don't know a lot about Jeb but whenever I see him, he doesn't come off as being very confident, seems wishy-washy and almost looks like he really doesn't want this. Obviously my perception might be way off from the truth but it's the image he projects to me.

 
Ted Cruz/Allen West or Ben Carson 2016

Cruz is about the only GOP candidate that sticks to his guns and doesn't waver when difficult questions are asked. He will blast anyone he is put up against in debates. He has good backing from a funding standpoint. He may need to tone down the religious ramblings a bit though.

Trump is a nightmare, and unelectable. Bush is almost as bad as Hillary.

 
I think the next debate can be a springboard for someone like kasich, Rubio, or even Firoina to gain steam as a viable "not crazy, not Jeb" candidate. At least I hope so.
How? Weren't these the clear winners of the first debate in terms of substance to just about everyone other than those that vote republican? What are the going to do? Sell their souls?

 
proninja said:
Ted Cruz/Allen West or Ben Carson 2016

Cruz is about the only GOP candidate that sticks to his guns and doesn't waver when difficult questions are asked. He will blast anyone he is put up against in debates. He has good backing from a funding standpoint. He may need to tone down the religious ramblings a bit though.

Trump is a nightmare, and unelectable. Bush is almost as bad as Hillary.
Cruz looks like that creepy family friend you won't let near your daughter.
You got the wrong guy. You are thinking of Biden. Biden IS that creepy family friend you won't let near your daughter!
 
I really don't know a lot about Jeb but whenever I see him, he doesn't come off as being very confident, seems wishy-washy and almost looks like he really doesn't want this.
Excellent timing because right as I was reading through this thread and got to your post, I was just thinking about how our political process ensures that we elect leaders who are overconfident boobs.

Specifically, I was thinking about Ben Carson because I saw him ramble on idiotically about evolution a little while ago.

Ben Carson is a smart guy. I'm sure there's a lot of stuff he knows a great deal about.

He knows basically nothing about evolutionary biology. (Edit: That's an overstatement on my part. He knows a lot of details. He totally misses other details, as well as the big picture, though.) There's nothing wrong with being ignorant about certain things, including biology. (It's a little weird for a surgeon, but whatever.) We're all ignorant about plenty of stuff. So he's ignorant about some aspects of biology -- not a big deal in itself. The subject probably doesn't come up very often in the Oval Office, so I don't think it would be much of a handicap for a President.

But what a person should do when he's ignorant about a subject is just shut up about it and defer to people who know better. He should not make confident pronouncements that all the experts in the field are wrong. He (obviously) hasn't read a single good textbook on the subject of evolution, yet he knows more than all the Ph.D.s put together?

That's disturbing.

Personally, I don't want a leader who just blusters through on every topic he's ignorant about. I want a leader with some humility, some ability to accurately estimate his own confidence interval on various propositions, some appropriate awareness of the possibility that he's wrong and others are right -- not someone who makes rash, cocksure decisions from a position of ignorance.

And yet ... I don't think our political process will ever let anyone through who isn't an overconfident boob. In a debate, in response to a difficult foreign policy question, imagine a politician who answers: "That's a hard question. I don't have enough information at the moment to give you a good answer. I would need to confer with my advisers, study our intelligence -- which I'm currently not privy to -- study the expected outcomes in a number of possible scenarios, and then make a probabilistic assessment of the least bad course of action, cross my fingers, and hope for the best. But it's a difficult situation that probably doesn't have a perfect solution." Then imagine Trump's likely answer about how we're going to forcibly impose peace on the Middle East and make them pay for it, or whatever, and guess who's going to get more support.

There's simply no room in politics for people who are intellectually honest enough to admit their own limitations. Everyone has to pretend to be an expert on everything so often that they stop pretending and start believing it themselves. And that's not going to lead to good decision-making, IMO.

I'm not criticizing jamny's instincts here. I think it's human nature to want a charismatic leader with a strong personality and no wishy-washiness about him. But when it comes to evaluating Presidential candidates, I think that's probably an unfortunate aspect of human nature, at least in some ways, rather than a fortunate one.

 
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I actually think that Obama is a very good counterexample to my last post. But every rule has exceptions...
Obama says he knows more about the issues than any of his policy advisors. I would say he is a great example of overconfidence. That, or he is extremely poor at picking policy advisors.

 
I actually think that Obama is a very good counterexample to my last post. But every rule has exceptions...
Obama says he knows more about the issues than any of his policy advisors. I would say he is a great example of overconfidence. That, or he is extremely poor at picking policy advisors.
Do you have a specific example in mind?
Obama's overconfidence is only rivaled by a MeMeMeIIMeMeIMe dolt like Trump. Prime example when he had to stick his nose into the Gates detention by the police, saying the police acted "stupidly" without knowing jack diddly do about the situation, and even less about how law enforcement works.

 
I actually think that Obama is a very good counterexample to my last post. But every rule has exceptions...
Obama says he knows more about the issues than any of his policy advisors. I would say he is a great example of overconfidence. That, or he is extremely poor at picking policy advisors.
Do you have a specific example in mind?
Do you have an example of why he's not exactly what you described??

 

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