Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (2 Viewers)

[RBM]

No one's voting for Obama in '16. Maybe some of the people who DO want us to vote for them should act like they're grown ups and not 12 year olds on the playground. This crop of GOP candidates has done NOTHING to sway me to consider them in '16. I'll most likely go 3rd party again.

You think Obama wasn't acting like a 12 year old?

i don't. He's the only adult in the room IMO, especially when discussing the Syriam refugees.

So when he demonizes opposing viewpoints and clearly and purposefully misrepresents their positions to advance his own you don't find anything wrong with that?

Well that depends. I believe that certain viewpoints deserve to be demonized.

You even think it's ok when many many people believe an Obama view point deserves to be demonized. I mean you can't be the arbiter of what view points are allowed to be demonized can you?

 

[RnR]

Romney did well in the first debate. Not so much after that.

I guess it depends on your perspective, but Romney was more polished than any of these guys. Which has to be a concern for the GOP going into this election.

That being said, the opponent is beatable this time around. Romney should've held off to run in 2016.

 

[RBM]

Cruz actually meant he wants a debate face to face, not a street fight.

The 40-ish% of Americans who lap up whatever the R candidate says will think Cruz slaughtered him. The 40-ish% who lap up whatever the D candidate says will think Obama slaughtered him. And the 20ish% in the middle will shake their heads at the idea that Cruz can even touch Obama in a debate and be disappointed that this clown is one of the best that the GOP can offer.

20% in the middle my ###. We don't need to get into why Obama won twice.And seeing as Romney destroyed him in those debates, I don't think Cruz would have any trouble as well. When he's actually confronted and not on his pulpit, he's really really bad.

are you talking about Ted Cruz ?

Actually no. Victor.

 

[timschochet]

No one's voting for Obama in '16. Maybe some of the people who DO want us to vote for them should act like they're grown ups and not 12 year olds on the playground. This crop of GOP candidates has done NOTHING to sway me to consider them in '16. I'll most likely go 3rd party again.

You think Obama wasn't acting like a 12 year old?

i don't. He's the only adult in the room IMO, especially when discussing the Syriam refugees.

So when he demonizes opposing viewpoints and clearly and purposefully misrepresents their positions to advance his own you don't find anything wrong with that?

Well that depends. I believe that certain viewpoints deserve to be demonized.

You even think it's ok when many many people believe an Obama view point deserves to be demonized. I mean you can't be the arbiter of what view points are allowed to be demonized can you?

Sure I can. Why not?

 

[Jeremy]

Question 2)finish this sentence: "Allah ________."

Peanut butter sandwiches!

 

[Steve Tasker]

Cruz actually meant he wants a debate face to face, not a street fight.

The 40-ish% of Americans who lap up whatever the R candidate says will think Cruz slaughtered him. The 40-ish% who lap up whatever the D candidate says will think Obama slaughtered him. And the 20ish% in the middle will shake their heads at the idea that Cruz can even touch Obama in a debate and be disappointed that this clown is one of the best that the GOP can offer.

20% in the middle my ###. We don't need to get into why Obama won twice.

And seeing as Romney destroyed him in those debates, I don't think Cruz would have any trouble as well. When he's actually confronted and not on his pulpit, he's really really bad.

I didn't hate Romney, but I would not say that he destroyed Obama in the debates.

 

[RBM]

No one's voting for Obama in '16. Maybe some of the people who DO want us to vote for them should act like they're grown ups and not 12 year olds on the playground. This crop of GOP candidates has done NOTHING to sway me to consider them in '16. I'll most likely go 3rd party again.

You think Obama wasn't acting like a 12 year old?

i don't. He's the only adult in the room IMO, especially when discussing the Syriam refugees.

So when he demonizes opposing viewpoints and clearly and purposefully misrepresents their positions to advance his own you don't find anything wrong with that?

Well that depends. I believe that certain viewpoints deserve to be demonized.

You even think it's ok when many many people believe an Obama view point deserves to be demonized. I mean you can't be the arbiter of what view points are allowed to be demonized can you?

Sure I can. Why not?

Lol love it. You're a good man Tim.

 

[The General]

Trump: let's put tracking chips into people

Jeb: let them in if they pass a "christian test"

Cruz: good idea, Jeb. Let's roll with that

Carson: mumble, mumble something said really, really slowly and quietly.

Great candidates you got this time around.

 

[Amused to Death]

Trump: let's put tracking chips into people

Jeb: let them in if they pass a "christian test"

Cruz: good idea, Jeb. Let's roll with that

Carson: mumble, mumble something said really, really slowly and quietly.

Great candidates you got this time around.

If you listen close (or turn on your closed captioning) he actually said the refugees are like rabid dogs. I mean it is the Christian thing to say.

In hindsight, you're probably better off if all you heard was "mumble mumble something".

 

[joffer]

Trump: let's put tracking chips into people

Jeb: let them in if they pass a "christian test"

Cruz: good idea, Jeb. Let's roll with that

Carson: mumble, mumble something said really, really slowly and quietly.

Great candidates you got this time around.

If you listen close (or turn on your closed captioning) he actually said the refugees are like rabid dogs. I mean it is the Christian thing to say.In hindsight, you're probably better off if all you heard was "mumble mumble something".

The rabid dogs thing was You've got to wonder if his staff is just holding their collective breath when he's in front of a microphone

 

[squistion]

Romney did well in the first debate. Not so much after that.

"Please proceed, Governor"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFwtuInlMew

 

[cubd8]

No one's voting for Obama in '16. Maybe some of the people who DO want us to vote for them should act like they're grown ups and not 12 year olds on the playground. This crop of GOP candidates has done NOTHING to sway me to consider them in '16. I'll most likely go 3rd party again.

You think Obama wasn't acting like a 12 year old?

i don't. He's the only adult in the room IMO, especially when discussing the Syriam refugees.

President Obama has been consistently wrong about ISIS and the threat they pose. It's getting downright dangerous how stubborn he is about his lack of strategy regarding this threat.

 

[cubd8]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

“Well you’re a Christian,” Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. “You can prove you’re a Christian. It’s—”

“How?” a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: “I think you can prove it — if you can’t prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.”

Sounds exactly like something his brother would say

This line of thought (allowing only Christians in by proving it) is probably more ridiculous than President Obama's lack of foreign policy strategy.

 

[bakes]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

Sounds exactly like something his brother would say

This line of thought (allowing only Christians in by proving it) is probably more ridiculous than President Obama's lack of foreign policy strategy.

Probably??? People may disagree about the President's foreign policy strategy, but at least it's constitutional...

 

[Sand]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

“Well you’re a Christian,” Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. “You can prove you’re a Christian. It’s—”

“How?” a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: “I think you can prove it — if you can’t prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.”

I see the whole right wing "only let in Christians" as being something like the gatekeeper at the bridge of death in the Holy Grail.

Yeah, if someone wanted to commit an atrocity, they would *never* lie about their religion to get into a country. The simplemindedness and unconstitutionality of the pandering ideas promoted by these jackwagons should disqualify them from being dogcatcher, let alone commander in chief.

You realize that this religious test is already part of immigration law, right? And has been for a while, yes?

The simple mindedness of those that don't even know what established law is (which, BTW, includes our president) should disqualify them from being... See where this is going?

 

[timschochet]

No one's voting for Obama in '16. Maybe some of the people who DO want us to vote for them should act like they're grown ups and not 12 year olds on the playground. This crop of GOP candidates has done NOTHING to sway me to consider them in '16. I'll most likely go 3rd party again.

You think Obama wasn't acting like a 12 year old?

i don't. He's the only adult in the room IMO, especially when discussing the Syriam refugees.

President Obama has been consistently wrong about ISIS and the threat they pose. It's getting downright dangerous how stubborn he is about his lack of strategy regarding this threat.

I'm really getting sick of people saying this. He does have a strategy, which has been stated several times:

1. Support the Kurds, the Baghdad government, and friendly Syrian rebels who are fighting against ISIS.

2. Identify ISIS leaders and kill them through drones and other attacks.

3. Bomb ISIS controlled cities in coordination with our allies.

4. Avoid ground troops other than for training the forces listed in point #1.

5. Support friendly and moderate Muslim governments who are opposed to ISIS.

6. Use the NSA and informants to prevent ISIS and other terrorists from performing terrorism on our shores.

You may feel like this is an inadequate approach (though if you do, I'd sure like to hear what specifically you would do differently.) But quit trying to claim it's not a strategy.

 

[timschochet]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

“Well you’re a Christian,” Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. “You can prove you’re a Christian. It’s—”

“How?” a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: “I think you can prove it — if you can’t prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.”

I see the whole right wing "only let in Christians" as being something like the gatekeeper at the bridge of death in the Holy Grail.

Yeah, if someone wanted to commit an atrocity, they would *never* lie about their religion to get into a country. The simplemindedness and unconstitutionality of the pandering ideas promoted by these jackwagons should disqualify them from being dogcatcher, let alone commander in chief.

You realize that this religious test is already part of immigration law, right? And has been for a while, yes?

The simple mindedness of those that don't even know what established law is (which, BTW, includes our president) should disqualify them from being... See where this is going?

Can you explain what you are talking about? Because I guess I'm one of the simple minded; I have no idea.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

“Well you’re a Christian,” Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. “You can prove you’re a Christian. It’s—”

“How?” a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: “I think you can prove it — if you can’t prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.”

I see the whole right wing "only let in Christians" as being something like the gatekeeper at the bridge of death in the Holy Grail.

Yeah, if someone wanted to commit an atrocity, they would *never* lie about their religion to get into a country. The simplemindedness and unconstitutionality of the pandering ideas promoted by these jackwagons should disqualify them from being dogcatcher, let alone commander in chief.

You realize that this religious test is already part of immigration law, right? And has been for a while, yes?

The simple mindedness of those that don't even know what established law is (which, BTW, includes our president) should disqualify them from being... See where this is going?

Not really.

You must be able to prove that is why you are being persecuted from the land in which you left. If that is your claim.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1158

 

[Capella]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

I can't believe this is real life

 

[joffer]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

I can't believe this is real life

even he can't believe the pandering words coming out of his mouth

 

[Fennis]

No one's voting for Obama in '16. Maybe some of the people who DO want us to vote for them should act like they're grown ups and not 12 year olds on the playground. This crop of GOP candidates has done NOTHING to sway me to consider them in '16. I'll most likely go 3rd party again.

You think Obama wasn't acting like a 12 year old?

i don't. He's the only adult in the room IMO, especially when discussing the Syriam refugees.

President Obama has been consistently wrong about ISIS and the threat they pose. It's getting downright dangerous how stubborn he is about his lack of strategy regarding this threat.

I'm really getting sick of people saying this. He does have a strategy, which has been stated several times:

1. Support the Kurds, the Baghdad government, and friendly Syrian rebels who are fighting against ISIS.

2. Identify ISIS leaders and kill them through drones and other attacks.

3. Bomb ISIS controlled cities in coordination with our allies.

4. Avoid ground troops other than for training the forces listed in point #1.

5. Support friendly and moderate Muslim governments who are opposed to ISIS.

6. Use the NSA and informants to prevent ISIS and other terrorists from performing terrorism on our shores.

You may feel like this is an inadequate approach (though if you do, I'd sure like to hear what specifically you would do differently.) But quit trying to claim it's not a strategy.

Well said

 

[QuizGuy66]

Those who would suggest ground troops in Syria should consider two things:

1) It's essentially a South Korea-level commitment once you do it. If you consider withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan controversial it would have nothing on this. Mentally you need to budget it like a 60-year mission. With the added factor that unlike Korea the active threat at our installations with troops would be more volatile (i.e. more random shots taken at our soldiers even after things are stable).

2) You have to be prepared for the likelihood of Daesh capturing an American Soldier and the fallout from would happen (which with near certainty be a beheading video of any captured soldier in relatively swift order). It's basically their propaganda wet-dream - the recruiting tool that they most want to have. The fallout from such an event would be massive - any President has to be 100% sure of what their next step would be if and when it occurs. You sure know Daesh already has idea what they would do.

It's easy for a dozen plus would-be commanders in chief to bluster and chest thump. Confronting the real situation is a whole other different thing.

-QG

 

[bakes]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

I see the whole right wing "only let in Christians" as being something like the gatekeeper at the bridge of death in the Holy Grail. Yeah, if someone wanted to commit an atrocity, they would *never* lie about their religion to get into a country. The simplemindedness and unconstitutionality of the pandering ideas promoted by these jackwagons should disqualify them from being dogcatcher, let alone commander in chief.

You realize that this religious test is already part of immigration law, right? And has been for a while, yes?

The simple mindedness of those that don't even know what established law is (which, BTW, includes our president) should disqualify them from being... See where this is going?

Test is one thing; barring people based on religion is quite another. And again, even if the barring of Muslims was determined to be the course of action going forward, jihadists will have trumped up records of their Christian heritage ready to go. Bank on that.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Each of the candidates for president recently submitted campaign videos for use in the Iowa Youth Caucuses

Carson 22%, edged out Trump 15%, Rubio 14.8%, and Paul 14%

 

[RnR]

For Tim: Rubio's six step plan for ISIS

 

[TobiasFunke]

For Tim: Rubio's six step plan for ISIS

1- Has no effect on ISIS as it currently exists and would actually aid their recruiting efforts in the long term by antagonizing Muslims

2- Has nothing to do with taking down ISIS, deals solely with domestic protections and is a cost/benefit argument we've been having since 2001 to which he adds nothing

3- Obama has opposed the sequester cuts for years- it's the GOP Congress (which includes Rubio) that has been unable to remove them

4- Sounds good but is pretty empty, he's basically saying let's defeat them by defeating them. Not really a "plan"

5- Again, not really a plan. We all agree it would be nice to stabilize Iraq, that's not really adding any value. Telling us HOW he would do it would add value

6- ISIS's rallying cry is that the West is the enemy of Islam. It's fine to not "work with" some countries, whatever that means, but it doesn't really help much if you turn around and perpetuate anti-Muslim rhetoric and policies

 

[Joe Summer]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

I can't believe this is real life

The Mali hotel attackers just used a similar test on their hostages. Those who could recite verses from the Koran were freed. Everyone else was kept as a hostage.

 

[joffer]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

I can't believe this is real life

The Mali hotel attackers just used a similar test on their hostages. Those who could recite verses from the Koran were freed. Everyone else was kept as a hostage.

maybe we should all learn one to be safe.

 

[RnR]

For Tim: Rubio's six step plan for ISIS

1- Has no effect on ISIS as it currently exists and would actually aid their recruiting efforts in the long term by antagonizing Muslims

2- Has nothing to do with taking down ISIS, deals solely with domestic protections and is a cost/benefit argument we've been having since 2001 to which he adds nothing

3- Obama has opposed the sequester cuts for years- it's the GOP Congress (which includes Rubio) that has been unable to remove them

4- Sounds good but is pretty empty, he's basically saying let's defeat them by defeating them. Not really a "plan"

5- Again, not really a plan. We all agree it would be nice to stabilize Iraq, that's not really adding any value. Telling us HOW he would do it would add value

6- ISIS's rallying cry is that the West is the enemy of Islam. It's fine to not "work with" some countries, whatever that means, but it doesn't really help much if you turn around and perpetuate anti-Muslim rhetoric and policies

I'm assuming you didn't watch the videos. He's actually pretty specific on some of the areas you're asking for a plan. Nonetheless, it's more to give Tim an example of someone laying out some specifics. He said none of them had given anything other than criticism of Obama.

 

[B-Deep]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

 

[TobiasFunke]

For Tim: Rubio's six step plan for ISIS

1- Has no effect on ISIS as it currently exists and would actually aid their recruiting efforts in the long term by antagonizing Muslims

2- Has nothing to do with taking down ISIS, deals solely with domestic protections and is a cost/benefit argument we've been having since 2001 to which he adds nothing

3- Obama has opposed the sequester cuts for years- it's the GOP Congress (which includes Rubio) that has been unable to remove them

4- Sounds good but is pretty empty, he's basically saying let's defeat them by defeating them. Not really a "plan"

5- Again, not really a plan. We all agree it would be nice to stabilize Iraq, that's not really adding any value. Telling us HOW he would do it would add value

6- ISIS's rallying cry is that the West is the enemy of Islam. It's fine to not "work with" some countries, whatever that means, but it doesn't really help much if you turn around and perpetuate anti-Muslim rhetoric and policies

I'm assuming you didn't watch the videos. He's actually pretty specific on some of the areas you're asking for a plan. Nonetheless, it's more to give Tim an example of someone laying out some specifics. He said none of them had given anything other than criticism of Obama.

Gotcha. I'll watch the videos for #4 and #6 when I can, but #1 and #2 aren't really measures to defeat ISIS, they're measures intended to protect us from ISIS and other terrorist attacks, which (if they worked) would be nice and all but is a totally different thing. #3 doesn't have a video and as I said is a pretty ridiculous point for a GOP member of Congress to make. #5 also has no video, and is the one where details are most needed.

 

[RnR]

For Tim: Rubio's six step plan for ISIS

1- Has no effect on ISIS as it currently exists and would actually aid their recruiting efforts in the long term by antagonizing Muslims

2- Has nothing to do with taking down ISIS, deals solely with domestic protections and is a cost/benefit argument we've been having since 2001 to which he adds nothing

3- Obama has opposed the sequester cuts for years- it's the GOP Congress (which includes Rubio) that has been unable to remove them

4- Sounds good but is pretty empty, he's basically saying let's defeat them by defeating them. Not really a "plan"

5- Again, not really a plan. We all agree it would be nice to stabilize Iraq, that's not really adding any value. Telling us HOW he would do it would add value

6- ISIS's rallying cry is that the West is the enemy of Islam. It's fine to not "work with" some countries, whatever that means, but it doesn't really help much if you turn around and perpetuate anti-Muslim rhetoric and policies

I'm assuming you didn't watch the videos. He's actually pretty specific on some of the areas you're asking for a plan. Nonetheless, it's more to give Tim an example of someone laying out some specifics. He said none of them had given anything other than criticism of Obama.

Gotcha. I'll watch the videos for #4 and #6 when I can, but #1 and #2 aren't really measures to defeat ISIS, they're measures intended to protect us from ISIS and other terrorist attacks, which (if they worked) would be nice and all but is a totally different thing. #3 doesn't have a video and as I said is a pretty ridiculous point for a GOP member of Congress to make. #5 also has no video, and is the one where details are most needed.

I don't disagree on the need for more print details. These six steps were released in conjunction with a piece he wrote for Politico.

I'd hope there's a plan to have some more non-video information attached to that original link I provided.

ETA: As for the actual videos, while they are surely placed under numbers strategically, most of them are interviews that include questions that overlaps all areas of handling ISIS. So I wouldn't dismiss them based solely on their positioning within that link. I also get that there is like 25-30 minutes worth of film there, and he shouldn't expect everyone to sift through that to find the answers.

 

[CBusAlex]

I have a 1-point plan to defeat ISIS.

1. Defeat ISIS

 

[Amused to Death]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Ridiculous, isn't it? But we're worried about 3 year old refugees.

 

[timschochet]

Thanks RnR.

At this point I would love it if Rubio won the nomination. Anyone but Trump, Careon or Cruz. If Rubio wins then we can contrast and compare his ideas with Hillary's: at least it would be a conversation for grown ups.

 

[timschochet]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun? Are you ####### kidding me?

 

[Amused to Death]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun?Are you ####### kidding me?

No, it's real. I even found it on Fox News. I posted this yesterday in the refugee thread - some people defended it.

The NRA - it is strong.

 

[TobiasFunke]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun?Are you ####### kidding me?

No, it's real. I even found it on Fox News. I posted this yesterday in the refugee thread - some people defended it.

The NRA - it is strong.

Blaming the NRA here lets the GOP off the hook too easily. The NRA is just a lobbying organization. They don't have a single vote on legislation in committee or on the floor. The blame here falls to the GOP members who didn't support it. What's the NRA gonna do, redirect their campaign spending so that they only support people who opposed the bill? Can't do that if nobody opposes the bill. Run a primary challenger to oppose all the members who supported this bill who then has to campaign on a "soft on terrorists" platform? Good luck with that.

 

[Amused to Death]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun?Are you ####### kidding me?

No, it's real. I even found it on Fox News. I posted this yesterday in the refugee thread - some people defended it.

The NRA - it is strong.

Blaming the NRA here lets the GOP off the hook too easily. The NRA is just a lobbying organization. They don't have a single vote on legislation in committee or on the floor. The blame here falls to the GOP members who didn't support it. What's the NRA gonna do, redirect their campaign spending so that they only support people who opposed the bill? Can't do that if nobody opposes the bill. Run a primary challenger to oppose all the members who supported this bill who then has to campaign on a "soft on terrorists" platform? Good luck with that.

Totally agree. My intent was not to let the GOP off the hook, rather to highlight just how much they are owned by the NRA.

 

[CBusAlex]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Ridiculous, isn't it? But we're worried about 3 year old refugees.

In fairness, those 3 year old refugees would probably have no trouble buying a gun either.

 

[RCon]

So damn dumb.

No, this time it isn't Carson...

Well youre a Christian, Jeb Bush started off saying to reporters. You can prove youre a Christian. Its

How? a reporter asked.

Bush gave a shrug: I think you can prove it if you cant prove it then, you know, you err on the side of caution.

Sounds exactly like something his brother would say

This line of thought (allowing only Christians in by proving it) is probably more ridiculous than President Obama's lack of foreign policy strategy.

Probably??? People may disagree about the President's foreign policy strategy, but at least it's constitutional...

Not if you're including the NSA's actions in there...

 

[B-Deep]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Ridiculous, isn't it? But we're worried about 3 year old refugees.

In fairness, those 3 year old refugees would probably have no trouble buying a gun either.

true!

 

[B-Deep]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun?Are you ####### kidding me?

it boggles the mind

 

[Amused to Death]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun?Are you ####### kidding me?

it boggles the mind

The hypocrisy of this is people will defend this because "innocent until proven guilty" and can't wrongfully take away someone's rights. Then many of those same people will defend the NSA's warrantless data collection by saying "we need to be safe, if that means giving up some rights then I'm all for it".

 

[huthut]

How can the GOP explain away their inconsistent approach between their opinion on gun control and allowing refugees in. They are literally the exact same concept; there is a small chance of someone not being vetted properly and killing innocent people. They have infinite tolerance for children to get gunned down in school, but the hypothetically situation that a refugee might do the same thing is suddenly where the line is drawn? Either be fearful babies scared of your own shadow or not, but at least be internally consistent.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

hey

how about we address this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2-000-terror-suspects-bought-guns-legally-report-article-1.2437868

Wait, are you kidding me with this? They want to block all refugees supposedly on the off chance that one might be a terrorist, yet they oppose a bill that would restrict anyone on the government's terrorist watchlist from buying a gun?Are you ####### kidding me?

And people wonder why my disgust runs so deep for these bastards.

 

[squistion]

Tim might want to rethink his position that Rubio is a preferred alternative to Trump:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/

Rubio Trumps Trump: Shut Down Any Place Muslims Gather To Be 'Inspired' - Not Just Mosques

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) seems to be going further than even Republican frontrunner Donald Trump in advocating the crackdown of U.S. Muslims. He doesnt just want to consider shutting down mosques, as Trump says, but wants to shut down any place where radicals are being inspired.

"Its not about closing down mosques. Its about closing down any place whether its a cafe, a diner, an internet site any place where radicals are being inspired," Rubio said on Fox News The Kelly File on Thursday night when asked if he agreed with Trump. "The bigger problem we have is our inability to find out where these places are, because weve crippled our intelligence programs, both through unauthorized disclosures by a traitor, in Edward Snowden, or by some of the things this president has put in place with the support even of some from my own party to diminish our intelligence capabilities."

"So whatever facility is being used its not just a mosque any facility thats being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at," he continued.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

Tim might want to rethink his position that Rubio is a preferred alternative to Trump:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/

Rubio Trumps Trump: Shut Down Any Place Muslims Gather To Be 'Inspired' - Not Just Mosques

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) seems to be going further than even Republican frontrunner Donald Trump in advocating the crackdown of U.S. Muslims. He doesnt just want to consider shutting down mosques, as Trump says, but wants to shut down any place where radicals are being inspired.

"Its not about closing down mosques. Its about closing down any place whether its a cafe, a diner, an internet site any place where radicals are being inspired," Rubio said on Fox News The Kelly File on Thursday night when asked if he agreed with Trump. "The bigger problem we have is our inability to find out where these places are, because weve crippled our intelligence programs, both through unauthorized disclosures by a traitor, in Edward Snowden, or by some of the things this president has put in place with the support even of some from my own party to diminish our intelligence capabilities."

"So whatever facility is being used its not just a mosque any facility thats being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at," he continued.

What is wrong with this part..." any facility thats being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at"?

 

[Amused to Death]

Tim might want to rethink his position that Rubio is a preferred alternative to Trump:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/

Rubio Trumps Trump: Shut Down Any Place Muslims Gather To Be 'Inspired' - Not Just Mosques

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) seems to be going further than even Republican frontrunner Donald Trump in advocating the crackdown of U.S. Muslims. He doesnt just want to consider shutting down mosques, as Trump says, but wants to shut down any place where radicals are being inspired.

"Its not about closing down mosques. Its about closing down any place whether its a cafe, a diner, an internet site any place where radicals are being inspired," Rubio said on Fox News The Kelly File on Thursday night when asked if he agreed with Trump. "The bigger problem we have is our inability to find out where these places are, because weve crippled our intelligence programs, both through unauthorized disclosures by a traitor, in Edward Snowden, or by some of the things this president has put in place with the support even of some from my own party to diminish our intelligence capabilities."

"So whatever facility is being used its not just a mosque any facility thats being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at," he continued.

Remember, this is considered to be a good crop of GOP candidates.

 

[timschochet]

Tim might want to rethink his position that Rubio is a preferred alternative to Trump:

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/11/20/3724509/rubio-trump-shut-down-mosques/

Rubio Trumps Trump: Shut Down Any Place Muslims Gather To Be 'Inspired' - Not Just Mosques

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) seems to be going further than even Republican frontrunner Donald Trump in advocating the crackdown of U.S. Muslims. He doesnt just want to consider shutting down mosques, as Trump says, but wants to shut down any place where radicals are being inspired.

"Its not about closing down mosques. Its about closing down any place whether its a cafe, a diner, an internet site any place where radicals are being inspired," Rubio said on Fox News The Kelly File on Thursday night when asked if he agreed with Trump. "The bigger problem we have is our inability to find out where these places are, because weve crippled our intelligence programs, both through unauthorized disclosures by a traitor, in Edward Snowden, or by some of the things this president has put in place with the support even of some from my own party to diminish our intelligence capabilities."

"So whatever facility is being used its not just a mosque any facility thats being used to radicalize and inspire attacks against the United States, should be a place that we look at," he continued.