Rohn Jambo
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You need to go wide-angle to see the rest of the horses on the track in the 1973 Belmont.
Some studies found Secretariat had supersized heart and stride angle compared to normal horses.
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Some studies found Secretariat had supersized heart and stride angle compared to normal horses.
Brady Marino
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Dan Lambskin
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ILUVBEER99
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Dan Lambskin
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Sad as a racing fan. I'd love to see the top stallions race until 5 or 6 (or longer) but so many of them are sent to the breeding shed as soon as they win a 3 year old race of note
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General Tso
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That video still blows me away to this day. Not just a once in a lifetime horse, maybe a once in a 200 year horse. That line, "He is moving like a tremendous machine!" Is one of the most iconic calls in my lifetime. Just an unbelievable race. The only thing that trumps it from a sports achievement standpoint is the Miracle on Ice.
ffldrew
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Came from a good distance and closed for third at the wire. Was running real hard there not sure who was 4th but they were out of gas
Evilgrin 72
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Muhaabtij was 4th.
Unbelievable. Happy to lose my remaining stake to see that. Way to go, Pharaoh.
Michael Brown
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So let's say hypothetically I hit the superfecta, and in the madness post-race I cashed out the ticket instead of keeping it as a really cool memento. How stupid of a decision would that be from a collectible perspective? I'm really not into the memorabilia thing, but I wondered right away if an uncashed superfecta ticket (it was a $1 bet boxed, so a $24 bet) would be worth more from a memorabilia perspective than the actual payout (around $300)
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Uruk-Hai
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Sham would have won the TC that year if Secretariat hadn't been born. He was a really fine horse. Pincay had to be like "I get the best horse of my life and I have to run against THAT?".Penguin said:
Secretariat was a stone cold assassin in those races. Broke last in both the Derby & Preakness, then ran down the field. I think it was in the Preakness where he went from last to first in about 3 seconds - in a stretched out field. I have never seen a horse make a move like that against quality competition. It was almost like he was thinking "I'm tired of looking at all y'all's asses, get the #### out of the way". I realize that I'm projecting stuff on an animal, but Secretariat seemed to regard his opponents with something bordering on disdain.
The Belmont run was otherworldly. I'll never see anything like that again in my life. The closest I can think of is Michael Johnson in the Atlanta Olympics.
Anyway, great run by AP and I'm glad I got to see another TC winner. If horses could train watching film, what he did in these three races should be required viewing. He reminds me of Affirmed in that way - just a perfect technician.
QuizGuy66
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Yup. Only "souvenir" ticket worth keeping would be a $2 win ticket on American Pharoah. And that's as much for sentiment as anything (even if you were at Belmont it's an easy one to get).
The only scenario where a gimmick would be worth keeping is if a pair of horses went 1-2 all 3 races like Affirmed and Alydar. I'd bet 3 uncashed tickets for that pair probably don't exist.
-QG
Prince Myshkin
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So..with the stud rights already sold, what is keeping them from running AP a few more times??? Injury clauses in the contract maybe? If so, gotta think an insurance policy could cover that.
Prince Myshkin
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and Espinoza winning 5 out of the last 6 Triple Crown races is pretty crazy.
Dan Lambskin
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His stud value is at an absolute peak
If he throws a few clunkers in the Haskell or Travers it could diminish the value some
Uruk-Hai
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I don't think that's it. He's proven himself no matter what he does going forward. I hate to say this, but what would "diminish" him would be a catastrophic injury. His juice ain't gonna change as long as he's alive.
I'd maybe run him in maybe the Haskell and then the Breeder's, and that would be it. Hell, I'm risk-averse so I wouldn't even do that if I were his owner. Stud him out now.
Prince Myshkin
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The way I understand it is that Coolmore already bought his stud rights and they control him starting in 2016. That would leave the rest of 2015 for his current owners to run him without much risk
Dan Lambskin
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Evilgrin 72
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I read that he's almost certain to run in either the Jim Dandy or Haskell. That would set him up perfectly for a last hurrah at the Breeders Cup.
Evilgrin 72
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Undisclosed, however speculation is that it may be in the neighborhood of $50 million after yesterday's win.
Sand
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
This article gets into APs dad fees and some scenarios for AP. The dad is worth more than AP now since he's a proven young stud.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-07/american-pharoah-s-dad-to-make-the-real-money-for-owner-zayat
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-06-07/american-pharoah-s-dad-to-make-the-real-money-for-owner-zayat
Anthony Borbely
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99.9% of the time a record is broken, it is broken by 1/5 of a second. Secretariat broke that one by 2 3/5 seconds. The second fastest Belmont is 2:26, a full 2 seconds slower. I don't believe any horse has even broken 2:25 on any 1 1/2 mile dirt track. It makes the 2:24 even more amazing than it already is.
Leroy Hoard
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Great photo of him & Miggy (the last baseball triple crown winner) standing together before the race was run. Not only did Espinoza win but Tigers have not lost since the race, after losing a zillion in a row. Win/Win
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CG2l2Z6UcAA_x2D.jpg
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What's amazing is that winning the race was worth $800,000. By the time all the expenses are paid I don't see how anyone makes enough money to offset the breeding fees.
Evilgrin 72
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I read that some are speculating Coolmore can make upwards of $6,000,000 a week year breeding him, so they'll make their money back as long as he's up to the task.
ETA : That should have been 6 million a year, obviously, not a week.
ETA : That should have been 6 million a year, obviously, not a week.
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matttyl
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Incorrect. There is still a change that he could be a "bad breeder". If his offspring (at age 3) start running very well, then his stud value increases. At this point, I think I saw that his father's stud fee went up considerably because of AP's performance.
"Pioneerof the Nile is the son of Empire Maker, who spoiled Funny Cide’s Triple Crown bid at the 2003 Belmont. During the season he breeds twice a day and three times every other day, according to the New York Times. Stallions typically father around 125-150 healthy foals a year, Fox said."
General Malaise
Footballguy
You ever see any of Jordan's sons play basketball? No? His spawn haven't panned out.
LeBron's kid is apparently a beast.
Dentist
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I only picked basketball because height is such a crucial factor.. maybe I should've picked Shaq or something. i mean I figure some international soccer star, tennis star, or even like a Tiger Woods could command a good stud fee also... but skills don't seem as transferable as raw height/weight... which is maybe why a Shaq/LeBron type would out-do a Jordan/Kobe type.
Back to horsing.. is the mother also selected based upon her racing prowess? like is it more likely to see a Kentucky Oaks winner bred with a Derby winner to make a super horse?
I mean same with the basketball idea... i figure you'd be better off mating the Shaq juice with a WNBA star to get maximum effectiveness.
Dan Lambskin
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In general yes the mother needs to be a quality mare as well. I'm far from a breeding expert but often they'll take a speedy male and pair him with a female with lots of stamina influence
You also need to make sure they're not too inbred either
So yes breeding LeBron to the Williams sisters probably results in a better athlete than if Flo from Progressive is the mom...unfortunately you'd need to wait till the kid is 18 to make any money off them rather than 2 years for a horse. And then you better hope it's a boy...horse racing it doesn't really matter
Leroy Hoard
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Yup. Pioneerof The Nile was a nice horse, finished 2nd in the 2009 Kentucky Derby, bombed in the Preakness and was retired after a soft tissue injury.
In 2010, his stud fee was $17,500. After American Pharoah's 2 year old campaign, the stud fee was raised to $60,000. Now, they are talking $100,000 to $150,000 for his magic seed.
I'm naming my next horse "Travis Henry.""Pioneerof the Nile is the son of Empire Maker, who spoiled Funny Cides Triple Crown bid at the 2003 Belmont. During the season he breeds twice a day and three times every other day, according to the New York Times. Stallions typically father around 125-150 healthy foals a year, Fox said."
Judge Smails
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Baffert has owned the Haskell too...
Penguin
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I'll be there for sure. Live about 10 minutes away and grew up in Oceanport.Great getMonmouth is an awesome place
-QG
Reserved seating has been sold out since June 16th :(
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