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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (2 Viewers)

Wooderson said:
Was at this game in person plus many other games of his.

One thing to keep in mind with this game is its his first back after his wrist injury. It wasn't his best game and he still was able to lead his team to the championship. 

I'm all aboard committing this  team to Wentz. 
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Did you see Jepsen play?  If so, was Wentz obviously better?  I know that his measurables are better, but some people have raised the issue that Jepsen had even better stats with the team.  Just curious.

 
Ash said:
From a news story I just read, Wentz on what he knows about Bradford

:lmao:

Burn.
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It was kind of a tough question for him to field at that press conference out of nowhere.

I'm not sure about the context of  "When asked if he studied game film of Bradford before being drafted by the Eagles, Wentz told CSN Philly:"  I believe that was the answer that he gave in the press conference.
 

 
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Kwai Chang Caine said:
Tell us what you see. Seriously, I'm getting more and more excited. I've been so angry about Chip that I just want to move into a positive direction. 
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I thought his first half was better than his second half but that's to be expected especially after he hadn't played a game for like 3 months up until that point. 

He has an arm that stands out on some of his throws. 

He is a much better athlete than I thought too. He can actually move and finished with like 80 yards on the ground. 

 Admittedly I don't watch a ton of college football to know if this is the norm or not but I rarely see QB's change plays and make adjustments like he was doing. This is what I imagined it would look like watching Lick or Manning in college. He would go with the hard count, recognize the blitz, change the protection and play if needed. It was pretty damn impressive to me since I only see this in the NFL. If he's as smart and everyone says (and it is everyone) then once we turn him loose he should be able to do these things immediately which would be huge for our offense. 

I mentioned the other stuff before. He plays fired up and he's into the game. Also, I don't recall who the announcers were but they were touting Wentz as a first rounder prior to this game and they were gushing all over him. 

 
Ash said:
From a news story I just read, Wentz on what he knows about Bradford

:lmao:

Burn.
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I read this too but that quote was pretty loaded.  You could also say he threw Drew Brees under the exact same bus.  Just said he watched a ton of brady, rodgers, and manning so he never really watched much in depth video of other qbs. :P

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I thought his first half was better than his second half but that's to be expected especially after he hadn't played a game for like 3 months up until that point. 

He has an arm that stands out on some of his throws. 

He is a much better athlete than I thought too. He can actually move and finished with like 80 yards on the ground. 

 Admittedly I don't watch a ton of college football to know if this is the norm or not but I rarely see QB's change plays and make adjustments like he was doing. This is what I imagined it would look like watching Lick or Manning in college. He would go with the hard count, recognize the blitz, change the protection and play if needed. It was pretty damn impressive to me since I only see this in the NFL. If he's as smart and everyone says (and it is everyone) then once we turn him loose he should be able to do these things immediately which would be huge for our offense. 

I mentioned the other stuff before. He plays fired up and he's into the game. Also, I don't recall who the announcers were but they were touting Wentz as a first rounder prior to this game and they were gushing all over him. 
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I haven't watched it yet but from everything I hear he looks outstanding.  Hopefully that will translate into the pro game.  Still hope he doesn't hit the field this year though, the worst thing would be to rush the guy in.

 
I don't think starting a 23 year old QB who spent 5 years in a pro style offense would be considered a "rush" job.  Don't most of us learn our jobs by doing it.  Carson doesn't come off as the kind of guy that needs to be coddled. It Would at least make the season more exciting if he went out there this summer and won the job.  We drafted him #2 overall and most QBs that are taken that high play right away.  I say we trade Bradford and let Chase/Carson battle it out in camp for the #1 job.  Make them earn it.

 
Deamon said:
I read this too but that quote was pretty loaded.  You could also say he threw Drew Brees under the exact same bus.  Just said he watched a ton of brady, rodgers, and manning so he never really watched much in depth video of other qbs. :P
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I don't think he answered that way intentionally, he was just trying to be diplomatic about a teammate and answer the question at the same time.  Just thought it was accidentally funny.

 
YoUnG GuNz said:
I don't think starting a 23 year old QB who spent 5 years in a pro style offense would be considered a "rush" job.  Don't most of us learn our jobs by doing it.  Carson doesn't come off as the kind of guy that needs to be coddled. It Would at least make the season more exciting if he went out there this summer and won the job.  We drafted him #2 overall and most QBs that are taken that high play right away.  I say we trade Bradford and let Chase/Carson battle it out in camp for the #1 job.  Make them earn it.
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You raise some good points. I know what the Eagles plan is but plans can surely change. 

If Wentz is everything they say he is and Bradford doesn't bring his "A" game Wentz may just take the job. A whole lot can change in 4 months. 

 
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Bigboy10182000 said:
You raise some good points. I know what the Eagles plan is but plans can surely change. 

If Wentz is everything they say he is and Bradford doesn't bring his "A" game Wentz may just take the job. A whole lot can change in 4 months. 
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The longer Bradford sulks the more he hurts himself IMO.  His best chance to build some demand for his services was to build on the 2nd half of last season with strong play while he had the chance here.  I think he could still do that because he's a more talented player than Chase as a stop gap but if he stays away long enough and is behind everyone else in learning the offense when he comes in the team might just be better off cutting their losses and playing Chase for the 8, 12 games or even the full season it takes for Wentz to be ready.

Bradford's act is hurting himself more than anything else.  He needs to take a look at Mark Sanchez in Denver, who is handling being a stopgap like a professional should.

 
YoUnG GuNz said:
I don't think starting a 23 year old QB who spent 5 years in a pro style offense would be considered a "rush" job.  Don't most of us learn our jobs by doing it.  Carson doesn't come off as the kind of guy that needs to be coddled. It Would at least make the season more exciting if he went out there this summer and won the job.  We drafted him #2 overall and most QBs that are taken that high play right away.  I say we trade Bradford and let Chase/Carson battle it out in camp for the #1 job.  Make them earn it.
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Trade him to who? That ship sailed when he openly whined about a competition for his job. Even though he was named the starter before and after the draft.

I'm all for sending him out there as a body while Carson learns. How much would we have benefited from our job if we even had 3-6 months where we could learn the logistics of the day to day operations with no expectations of production till we were ready?

 
Ash said:
The longer Bradford sulks the more he hurts himself IMO.  His best chance to build some demand for his services was to build on the 2nd half of last season with strong play while he had the chance here.  I think he could still do that because he's a more talented player than Chase as a stop gap but if he stays away long enough and is behind everyone else in learning the offense when he comes in the team might just be better off cutting their losses and playing Chase for the 8, 12 games or even the full season it takes for Wentz to be ready.

Bradford's act is hurting himself more than anything else.  He needs to take a look at Mark Sanchez in Denver, who is handling being a stopgap like a professional should.
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And it cannot be understated that Sanchez kept his mouth shut, acted like a pro and is now the starting QB for the defending super bowl champions after being an after thought backup last year.

 
YoUnG GuNz said:
I don't think starting a 23 year old QB who spent 5 years in a pro style offense would be considered a "rush" job.  
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He's only been playing QB for 5 years total and started just 23 games in college, I believe.

The speed difference between what he is used to and the NFL will be enormous.

 
Long Ball Larry said:
He's only been playing QB for 5 years total and started just 23 games in college, I believe.

The speed difference between what he is used to and the NFL will be enormous.
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"So what! We should be winning the Super Bowl this year for what we paid, damn it!" 

-typical short sighted fan

 
Insein said:
Trade him to who? That ship sailed when he openly whined about a competition for his job. Even though he was named the starter before and after the draft.

I'm all for sending him out there as a body while Carson learns. How much would we have benefited from our job if we even had 3-6 months where we could learn the logistics of the day to day operations with no expectations of production till we were ready?
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Makes even more sense when you consider that the guy he'd be learning from already has a guaranteed contract for the year. What would your reaction be if the first week on your new job you were told, "Welp, we had a guy here doing your job for a while who we were planning to keep on as a mentor while you learned the ropes, but instead we've decided to pay him his full salary to sit at home on the couch while we throw you right into the deep end. Good luck!"

And the other thing Sam should remember here is that it's only May, and sports fans have short memories. At this point he's probably gonna get booed out of the gate no matter what, but if he tears up the preseason the way he did last year and then drops a couple of 300/3-TD performances on the Browns and Bears, everyone will be right back on board the #7 train by Week 3.

 
Wentz makes cover of next Sports Illustrated (regionally, in Northeast?). 

http://www.si.com/nfl/2016/05/03/nfl-draft-jared-goff-carson-wentz-paxton-lynch-first-round

Excerpt - "If Goff is the Natural, as Tollner refers to him, Wentz is the Prototype. At 6' 5", 237, he’s got 20 pounds on Goff, as strong an arm and more foot speed. The pride of Bismarck, N.D., has spent far more time than Goff under center, running coach Chris Klieman’s pro-style offense at North Dakota State. Wentz’s game tape overflows with Wow! throws. Sure, scouts would’ve liked to see him completing those passes against, say, Alabama, rather than Weber State and Western Illinois. But at a certain point a throw speaks for itself.

Wentz secured legendary status in North Dakota in January when he led the Bison to their fifth straight FCS championship, 11 weeks after having surgery on his broken right wrist. He could’ve bailed on the team to be fully healed in time for the NFL combine. Instead, his loyalty and grit sparked a dramatic rise in his stock, which continued to soar at the Senior Bowl. Says Howie Roseman, the Eagles’ executive VP of football ops, “I was struck by the presence he had, the leadership he showed in a setting with all sorts of guys from bigger schools.”

 
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if all someone did was listen to sports media you would think the whole Eagles team consisted of Bradford, but there are some interesting stories to watch this year. A big one for me is to see if Nelson Agholar has any worth. I don't pretend he will be a top 15 WR in the league, but at least a dependable WR would make a big difference with this team. so i was glad to hear this:


Nelson Agholor - WR - Eagles


Nelson Agholor suffered a high ankle sprain "at midseason" last year.
"When we were in camp in preseason, the guy was explosive," said Jordan Matthews. "When he hurt his ankle, and then you add all the pressure of being a first-round pick, it's hard to just go out there and play your best. But he looks really explosive now." The injury was never announced as a high ankle sprain, but Agholor did miss Weeks 6-7. Although the jury remains out on Philly's 2015 first-round pick, Agholor could be argued as a post-draft "winner" after the Eagles didn't invest in wide receivers. Ahead of Rueben Randle and Chris Givens, Agholor is basically locked into the starting lineup opposite Jordan Matthews.
 
modogg said:
if all someone did was listen to sports media you would think the whole Eagles team consisted of Bradford, but there are some interesting stories to watch this year. A big one for me is to see if Nelson Agholar has any worth. I don't pretend he will be a top 15 WR in the league, but at least a dependable WR would make a big difference with this team. so i was glad to hear this:


Nelson Agholor - WR - Eagles


Nelson Agholor suffered a high ankle sprain "at midseason" last year.
"When we were in camp in preseason, the guy was explosive," said Jordan Matthews. "When he hurt his ankle, and then you add all the pressure of being a first-round pick, it's hard to just go out there and play your best. But he looks really explosive now." The injury was never announced as a high ankle sprain, but Agholor did miss Weeks 6-7. Although the jury remains out on Philly's 2015 first-round pick, Agholor could be argued as a post-draft "winner" after the Eagles didn't invest in wide receivers. Ahead of Rueben Randle and Chris Givens, Agholor is basically locked into the starting lineup opposite Jordan Matthews.
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Awesome. I've actually got really high hopes for him this year. I think he's going to contribute quite a bit. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
I feel like I read this same artilcle before if you just change the date and a couple names. 
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I was about to post something on the same lines.  I got all nostalgic there for a second.

Seriously though, I'm very interested to see if they end up having the same challenges with the D and tempo that we did and if Kelly makes any changes based on lessons learned.  He seems like the type who can't admit he made mistakes so we'll see.

On the surface they seem to have a lot less talent to work with than he started with in Philly.

 
Ash said:
I was about to post something on the same lines.  I got all nostalgic there for a second.

Seriously though, I'm very interested to see if they end up having the same challenges with the D and tempo that we did and if Kelly makes any changes based on lessons learned.  He seems like the type who can't admit he made mistakes so we'll see.

On the surface they seem to have a lot less talent to work with than he started with in Philly.
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that is another element i am intrigued to see this upcoming year. With the Eagles D, the 49'ers D, and the players who left the team. In particular, Maxwell and Alonso. I know that there are other positives the Eagles got from trading those 2 (specifically cap space to maneuver), but i can't help but think we sold both awfully low. I'm thinking Maxwell may not get abused as much as he did the first 4-5 games of the season, but i also don't think he will ever truly justify that salary. Alonso on the other hand could excel in Miami. it isn't a huge weakness for the Eagles now (and i'm sure it has been mentioned before, but whoever was responsible for drafting Hicks deserved a promotion), but i can't help but think Alonso will be a difference maker for the Dolphins, if he stays healthy all year.  i also saw this mentioned earlier in the week:

"According to the Miami Herald, the Dolphins “loved” what they saw from Kiko Alonso in voluntary practice last month. The Dolphins acquired Alonso from the Eagles along with Byron Maxwell earlier this offseason" 

 
modogg said:
that is another element i am intrigued to see this upcoming year. With the Eagles D, the 49'ers D, and the players who left the team. In particular, Maxwell and Alonso. I know that there are other positives the Eagles got from trading those 2 (specifically cap space to maneuver), but i can't help but think we sold both awfully low. I'm thinking Maxwell may not get abused as much as he did the first 4-5 games of the season, but i also don't think he will ever truly justify that salary. Alonso on the other hand could excel in Miami. it isn't a huge weakness for the Eagles now (and i'm sure it has been mentioned before, but whoever was responsible for drafting Hicks deserved a promotion), but i can't help but think Alonso will be a difference maker for the Dolphins, if he stays healthy all year.  i also saw this mentioned earlier in the week:

"According to the Miami Herald, the Dolphins “loved” what they saw from Kiko Alonso in voluntary practice last month. The Dolphins acquired Alonso from the Eagles along with Byron Maxwell earlier this offseason" 
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Alonso is talented, but was injured here and there in the season following a major injury so no surprise he didn't really contribute.  Schwartz (presumably) didn't mind him being traded though, so there's some judgement in that.  Maxwell got lit up to start and finish the year, but for 10-12 games in the middle of the season he was quite good.  Not elite, and that's how he was being paid, but definitely above average.  The Eagles struggled to generate a pass rush last year, and that's an important factor as well.  I thought they'd keep Maxwell for another year before cutting bait on that contract.

My biggest criticism of Davis was that he did a poor job matching scheme to personnel in the secondary.  He did a solid job with the front 7 I think, especially given the challenges of the tempo offense, but always seemed unable to answer the coverage struggles.

 
Ash said:
My biggest criticism of Davis was that he did a poor job matching scheme to personnel in the secondary.  He did a solid job with the front 7 I think, especially given the challenges of the tempo offense, but always seemed unable to answer the coverage struggles.
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Not only that but he was extremely poor at in-game adjustments within the secondary. Remember how he left Rowe on a tiny island all by himself to try to deal with one of the best WR's of all time? Calvin Johnson ate him alive and we should feel lucky Rowe didn't get mentally destryed by that game. I personally feel Davis was one of the worst DC's we've ever had here.

 
I think you could sum up the Chip Kelly era in Philly as "square peg, round hole". 

On both sides of the ball they forced scheme instead of building an offense or defense that best suited their players.

At the time I was ok with letting Jackson and McCoy leave but looking back they were the two players that literally opened up Kelly's offense and made it work.

This defense wasn't good even when Davis took over. I can't really fault the guy other than he forced this vision of an old Steeler 3/4 defense that pretty much any above average QB could read.

Thinking back to those facial expressions Romo and Rogers had in complete disbelief of how our defense was set. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000430541/article/eagles-graham-aaron-rodgers-was-laughing-at-us

and just because we could have had this guy as an Eagle.

http://articles.philly.com/2015-12-18/sports/69148552_1_bruce-arians-michael-floyd-juan-castillo

 
jon007 said:
I think you could sum up the Chip Kelly era in Philly as "square peg, round hole". 

On both sides of the ball they forced scheme instead of building an offense or defense that best suited their players.
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Once again, feeling like we heard this exact same thing with the prior regime too.  Hopefully Pederson is finally our round peg.

 
With Sixers lottery pick next Tuesday and Phillies playing well, Sam could dodge a bullet here. He comes in, takes his medicine and most people will forget everything till camp. Then there will be a stir but not much. Ultimately no one cares about Sam. 

Bottom line is Sam hurt his own brand. The Mikey Miss idiots saying Sam is doing what's best for Sam could not have been more wrong. What's best for Sam was to take the starting job that was handed to him, play his ### off and put up some nice stats for next year where he will have a lot more leverage with the Eagles facing a big cap hit to keep him.  

 
Sam Bradford releases statement after returning to the Philadelphia Eagles:

"I'm excited to be back on the field today with my teammates and coaches. The business-side of football is sometimes a necessary consideration. My attention and efforts are focused on the participation in and preparation for a championship season: I am committed to my teammates and the Eagles organization for nothing less." - Sam Bradford

 
babydemon90 said:
The realization that there literally is no place in the NFL he would be the unquestioned starter is sinking in, perhaps.
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lol  Yeah, Sam got a big dose of reality the last couple of weeks. He finally realizes he is not in a position to be 'demanding' anything. He's auditioning for his future this season. He should be happy there's one team out of the 32 who wants him.

 
Insein said:
Seems like Howie knows what he's doing. 
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I have actually thought this with every single thing he has done this off-season.  To clean up the mess he did, in the way he has done, is remarkable so far.  Obviously everything could blow-up but to this point he has left nothing open for criticism. 

 
Deamon said:
Very pumped on these guys. Hope they stick around for a while. 
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Rumor has it that they promised Douglas the top position in the personnel department only to sign his eventual replacement shortly after, thereby alienating the entire NFL scouting community and setting the team back for years. 

 
JetMaxx said:
Rumor has it that they promised Douglas the top position in the personnel department only to sign his eventual replacement shortly after, thereby alienating the entire NFL scouting community and setting the team back for years. 
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Is this a sarcastic jab at Sam?

 
You know what would be awesome?

Sam Bradford breaking his leg playing a game of basketball with his friends. Theyd prob get to void his contract and send him packing, only thing that would make me happier in football is the 49ers winning the Super Bowl.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
You know what would be awesome?

Sam Bradford breaking his leg playing a game of basketball with his friends. Theyd prob get to void his contract and send him packing, only thing that would make me happier in football is the 49ers winning the Super Bowl.
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Hey maybe he can get cut and Chip will pick him up. Or maybe he'll trade a 2nd rounder for him when he realizes Blaine Gabbert is his starting QB.

 
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