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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (2 Viewers)

:lmao:  The fake twitter accounts are hillarious.

Doug Pederson @DougiePEagles; Was nice have dinner with you last night, Sam. Can't wait to work with your this season! #SamBradford #Eagles #BleedGreen #FlyEaglesFly

 
Insein said:
Wouldn't call it great but it's manageable.
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A 'great' deal would be if he agreed to play for 5 million per. And agree to accept no money at all if he gets injured.  But since those things aren't happening, getting him signed for less money than Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, and Alex Smith are making, is a great deal.

 
JuniorNB said:
A 'great' deal would be if he agreed to play for 5 million per. And agree to accept no money at all if he gets injured.  But since those things aren't happening, getting him signed for less money than Kirk Cousins, Ryan Tannehill, and Alex Smith are making, is a great deal.
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A great deal would be if he accepted $15m or less per year with tons of outs that we can walk away after 1 or 2 years with minimal impact (less than $8m dead money).

But I agree if you can sign him for less than those guys it would be OK.

 
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#### I'm getting a rollercoaster from these fake accounts.  I thought this Les Bowen one was real.

Eagles and Sam Bradford reached a contract agreement. 3 years. $51m. $25m guaranteed. Press conference tomorrow. $10m injury guarantee.

I think we'd all be cool with that deal if it happened.

 
Insein said:
I wonder how Cousins being tagged affects the negotiations.
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I think it definitely shows that Washington isn't real confident that the second part of 2016 wasn't a fluke. Before the Tampa Bay "You like that!?!?" game, Cousins had more career interceptions than touchdowns.  Philly management could easily be saying the same thing about Bradford. Sam's camp is no doubt pushing the fact that he was a top ten QB over his least seven games. Philly is countering with his injury history and average to below average career stats.

 
Insein said:
I wonder how Cousins being tagged affects the negotiations.
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It probably hurts our chances with Sam.  He's probably sitting there thinking he deserves as much as Kirk so will probably not take much less then 19 M/year if he signs a deal.

 
That was my take. Condon might see it as leverage since that's one less QB on the market also. Makes Sam's chance greater for a bigger deal in FA in his eyes. 

 
Deamon said:
Ya.  Who is really looking for a QB though?  Just Cleve and Houston?
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Right - 'demand' side of the equation goes down too with Washington franchising Cousins.

Denver, Cleveland, Houston, Philly, NYJ.

Osweiler, Bradford, #2 overall pick (probably where Cleveland goes).

Throw Fitzpatrick, Chase Daniel, RG3 in there for 2nd tier.

Neither side really unbalanced here - some seem like no brainers, Cleveland picks a rookie QB, NYJ resigns Fitz, Denver resigns Osweiler.

 
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babydemon90 said:
Right - 'demand' side of the equation goes down too with Washington franchising Cousins.

Denver, Cleveland, Houston, Philly, NYJ.

Osweiler, Bradford, #2 overall pick (probably where Cleveland goes).

Throw Fitzpatrick, Chase Daniel, RG3 in there for 2nd tier.

Neither side really unbalanced here - some seem like no brainers, Cleveland picks a rookie QB, NYJ resigns Fitz, Denver resigns Osweiler.
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Exactly.  Have to think Cleve, NYJ, DEN are all out for getting Sam.  Without wash and philly, that literally just leaves HOU and maybe SF.  (I personally think though that if SF wants a QB, they'll draft the goff/wentz in the first round)

If we don't franchise the guy, and Hou/SF don't show a lot of interest, our offer for Sam can go WAY down.  It's in his best interest to sign this deal before the tag deadline too.  Not sure which side really has more leverage here

 
Just to throw something absurd out there...what about Peyton?  Recent stories have him wanting to still play, and I'm sure Denver wants him out.  If we could trade something not super consequential for him (maybe a 3rd or even a 4th?) and draft a QB to work under him for a year, would that be the worst thing?  Not sure what he is due to be paid this year though.  Not to mention that if the OL plays like it did last year he'd get creamed.  Wonder what he'd look like in a Pederson WCO.  Though I heard Pederson wants to run it a fair bit and obviously Peyton had issues playing under center this year.  Now that I'm noodling through this, it doesn't sound as good.

 
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Polish Hammer said:
Just to throw something absurd out there...what about Peyton?  Recent stories have him wanting to still play, and I'm sure Denver wants him out.  If we could trade something not super consequential for him (maybe a 3rd or even a 4th?) and draft a QB to work under him for a year, would that be the worst thing?  Not sure what he is due to be paid this year though.  Not to mention that if the OL plays like it did last year he'd get creamed.  Wonder what he'd look like in a Pederson WCO.  Though I heard Pederson wants to run it a fair bit and obviously Peyton had issues playing under center this year.  Now that I'm noodling through this, it doesn't sound as good.
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Not a good idea. If it wasn't for the defense Denver doesn't even win the division much less make the playoffs. Denver got the win in the superbowl but that has to be one of the worst stat lines from a sb winning qb I ever seen.

 
jon007 said:
Not a good idea. If it wasn't for the defense Denver doesn't even win the division much less make the playoffs. Denver got the win in the superbowl but that has to be one of the worst stat lines from a sb winning qb I ever seen.
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Good point.  Like I said, as I went through it I kept seeing too many holes.  

Who would you rather have running this offense, Fitzpatrick or Bradford?  Think they'll end up with similar contracts?

 
Polish Hammer said:
Good point.  Like I said, as I went through it I kept seeing too many holes.  

Who would you rather have running this offense, Fitzpatrick or Bradford?  Think they'll end up with similar contracts?
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I think Fitz will be had around 12 million.  He played for only 4 this past season.  I like him. Intelligent, gritty. Will tuck it and run. But Bradford will make more than him by a few million, I would guess.

 
Two years,  36 mill. 

Good deal.  Tells you no one else was giving him a big deal.  

Solid move,  IMO 

 
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Eagles re-signed QB Sam Bradford to a two-year, $36 million contract.

Another $4 million is available through incentives. The deal includes a whopping $26 million guaranteed, but we wouldn't be surprised if that number is overshooting the true guarantees a little bit. Bradford's signing coupled with Kirk Cousins being franchise tagged leaves Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brock Osweiler as this year's only semi-viable free agent quarterbacks. Bradford was largely the same player he's always been in his first year as an Eagle, lacking for consistency and missing time with injury. He posted a 7.0 YPA to go along with a 19:14 TD:INT ratio across 14 starts. Going on 29, we're not expecting the "next step" from the Oklahoma product in 2016. His deal is a reflection of thin the quarterback pool is, not his talent.
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Insein said:
I can live with a 2 year deal.

Now he just needs to not suck.
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With the cap going up, I don't hate this deal at all. The other options were? I'll take it. No 2nd round pick, I'm glad we don't have to consider a QB in the 1st round at this point. You'll also know definitively what you have at the end of the deal, and if it is a :tfp: maybe the QB class a year or two from now is deeper and the Eagles draft higher.

 
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Would have rathered an extra year but this does give us options. Since it's only 2 years, wouldn't be opposed to a qb in the 3rd if a good one is there, but woul rather hit other positions. Interested to see what the incentives are and what the true guaranteed amount is. By next year he'll be middle of the row paid starting qb. 

 
JaxBill said:
Curious to see how the signing bonuses and guaranteed money is laid out.
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Meh. In two years,  he collects 36 mill. Not much wiggle room.  I'm guessing his salary this year is guaranteed,  and some money next year. 

If he sucks,  they'll probably save a little money next year.  

Man,  Bradford has certainly never been underpaid. 

 
Pretty safe for both sides. We aren't getting our franchise qb in the draft this year so if he really sucks, we can look at qb next year. If he turns into a top 12 qb, we can re-sign him again. 

 
QB at #13, or higher, is not our of the question for this year IMO.  That deal Bradford got didn't remove QB from the board or even push it back IMO

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
QB at #13, or higher, is not our of the question for this year IMO.  That deal Bradford got didn't remove QB from the board or even push it back IMO
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Agree. If and only if Goff or Wentz slips. Which I don't see at all happening. If they do, I'm all for taking them and sitting a year behind Sam. 

 
Someone on twitter put it good by saying "Eagles just basically gave Sam Bradford a 2 year franchise tag at below market value. Good Job Howie"

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
QB at #13, or higher, is not our of the question for this year IMO.  That deal Bradford got didn't remove QB from the board or even push it back IMO
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I was thinking the same thing. If it was a 4/5 year deal then yeah I think they skip the thoughts on needing a QB prospect right away. All this says is there isn't much else greater to get for this season, and we're still not ready to commit to you long term. 

Still wouldn't shock me to see a Daniels and a draft pick combo backup this year. Thanks Mark, good luck. 

Fine with the two year deal. Who knows maybe he turns into the long term solution. 

Ok just dropping by, back to the regularly scheduled Insein vs bigboy/Daemon/Renesaez debate about Bradford, Seeyas around draft time. And be nice to each other. 

 
Insein said:
You do have to give Howie credit. Getting Condon to settle for 2 years is impressive.
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In retrospect it seems apparent that the interest in Bradford across the league wasn't as hot as some in the media were drumming it up to be. If any of these other teams were interested in a 4-year deal anywhere near this AAV, you can be sure Sam would never have signed this one.

Having said that, part of the skill of being a good negotiator is not getting sucked into negotiating against yourself. So Howie gets props for that at least.

 
Mr. Irrelevant said:
In retrospect it seems apparent that the interest in Bradford across the league wasn't as hot as some in the media were drumming it up to be. If any of these other teams were interested in a 4-year deal anywhere near this AAV, you can be sure Sam would never have signed this one.

Having said that, part of the skill of being a good negotiator is not getting sucked into negotiating against yourself. So Howie gets props for that at least.
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Ya it was probably not really about the million here or there.  Eagles probably wanted less money, but Sam probably wanted more years.  In the end Sam got a decent amount of money, but is still on a 'prove it' deal.  Agree with what you say though, if anyone was offering him a 4 year deal, he never would have signed 2 years here. A 2 year tag is better then 1 year and this is cheaper too.  Howie is awesome at these contracts.

 
One thing I will say though even though its 2 years I don't want to hear any whining about how Sam doesn't have any talent around him coming into this year. If we start losing games and he's playing his average self I don't want to hear Sam just needs to get a couple more pieces around him or Sam needs to have a little more protection or Sam just needs some time to get adjusted to the system.

He's a big boy making big boy money.

 
Insein said:
One thing I will say though even though its 2 years I don't want to hear any whining about how Sam doesn't have any talent around him coming into this year. If we start losing games and he's playing his average self I don't want to hear Sam just needs to get a couple more pieces around him or Sam needs to have a little more protection or Sam just needs some time to get adjusted to the system.

He's a big boy making big boy money.
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And if he performs like the 15th highest paid starting QB in the league, I don't want to hear any whining about how Sam isn't a top 10 QB.  He isn't being paid top 10 money.

 
Deamon said:
And if he performs like the 15th highest paid starting QB in the league, I don't want to hear any whining about how Sam isn't a top 10 QB.  He isn't being paid top 10 money.
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He's tied for 13th and possibly 12th if Kaep is cut. 

 
So, now that we have our QB, what should our expectations be?

For me, first year coach and mediocre QB is probably 7-9. 

 
Insein said:
He's tied for 13th and possibly 12th if Kaep is cut. 
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He's also tied for 15th.  16th once Luck is signed.

Let's just agree he's 14th highest.  he's tied for 14th with Romo (cutler is 13th and making more).  Kap cut and Luck signed wash it out.  So yes he's the 14th highest paid QB in the NFL.  Right around the middle point. 

You're really obsessing over his exact pay and exactly what that exact dollar amount needs to equate to in wins.  We got a guy on a good deal, so if you're going to throw in that you don't want to hear during the season any excuses, then hold yourself to the same standards and don't expect better then middle of the row starter performance.  This isn't the massive contract or top 10 money that you are implying it is in order to give yourself a reason to complain during the city when he's not top 10.

 
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