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*** Official 2017 Atlantic Hurricane Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

Thoughts and prayers to you all. I have vacation time coming up and have struggled on offering to volunteer to go down there or go back to CA for my sons 16th bday. I've decided to throw my name in the hat and see if my command will let me go since I'm independent duty. Truth is vacation home was not my dilemma, it's been a struggle as I had a hard time adjusting back to myself after spending months worth of time down at Katrina and Rita. I don't pray but tonight I pray for all of you in the affected area and those of you with family there.
My wife traveled down there on Monday and arrived in Houston last night. She said pictures are one thing but to see the devastation first hand brought her to tears. 

Much respect to you, my wife and all the people that are down there now doing what they can to help out.

 
feel better, gb.

isn't 98.6 normal? ... are you saying you've got a negative fever?

so are you guys in the relative clear at this point? no additional flooding?
Certain rivers have not crested yet.  Addicks is supposed to still hit 109 again. 

Water supposed to be going out quickly starting Saturday, but until then the city will be a lake in many parts.  There just is so much water south of Houston that has to run out and the tide is already so high that the drain will be slow.  

They need the nasa guys to come up with some way to make water run faster imo.

 
This bug just doesn't want to go away. 97 degree temperature this morning, ugh. Anyone who is out and about today, be sure to wash up frequently after contact with others if it is making the rounds as someone mentioned.
feel better, gb.

isn't 98.6 normal? ... are you saying you've got a negative fever?

so are you guys in the relative clear at this point? no additional flooding?
I think we're mostly in the clear as far as new rainfall. There could be a few places where runoff from upstream is still coming in.

Yes, 98.6 is normal. I was just googling it actually. I guess body temp lowers during sleep and I'd just woke up so could be part of it. Also it said taking anti-biotics during a fever (which I have been) can cause the body temp to lower at the same time the body itself is trying to lower it again, which combined can make it go too low.  Will check again later. Feel a bit run down but nothing like I did at the peak of it.

 
I think we're mostly in the clear as far as new rainfall. There could be a few places where runoff from upstream is still coming in.

Yes, 98.6 is normal. I was just googling it actually. I guess body temp lowers during sleep and I'd just woke up so could be part of it. Also it said taking anti-biotics during a fever (which I have been) can cause the body temp to lower at the same time the body itself is trying to lower it again, which combined can make it go too low.  Will check again later. Feel a bit run down but nothing like I did at the peak of it.
didn't mean to get you caught up in this unimportant stuff, gb. 

hope you feel better soon. I know for me- I'm a useless baby the second my temp goes close to 100. completely useless. so to have to deal with all of this insanity while sick? great googly boogly... no gracias. amazed how well you've held up. 

 
The most shocking thing about all of this is how so many people are like, tear the sheet rock and flooring out, replace appliances, move on. NBD

I would be thinking go to the slab and start over.  On stilts.  

 
The most shocking thing about all of this is how so many people are like, tear the sheet rock and flooring out, replace appliances, move on. NBD

I would be thinking go to the slab and start over.  On stilts.  
If you're not getting any money from insurance, I would wager that most people don't even have the money to replace sheetrock and flooring. Tearing it all down and rebuilding from the slab just won't be an option for most people.

I mean, the average person has maybe $3-6k between their checking and savings accounts.

 
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Yeah, I was optimistic that most of the water was moving, rather than standing so we should have less funk floating around. Then I drove through some mud that was left behind and got some on my door handle. I've washed my hands six or seven times and can still smell it. 
I can only imagine the contaminants in that water. Pesticide/herbicide runoff, sewage, oil and grease from vehicles/gas stations/mechanics, chemicals stored at businesses, on and on. Yuck.
They are shutting down Oyster harvesting in Louisiana because of issues you describe due to the storm runoff.

http://www.nola.com/outdoors/index.ssf/2017/08/oyster_harvest_shut_down_by_lo.html

 
The most shocking thing about all of this is how so many people are like, tear the sheet rock and flooring out, replace appliances, move on. NBD

I would be thinking go to the slab and start over.  On stilts.  
I don't know what's shocking about that really.  I'm not sure what your budget is, but I've seen reports of people getting bids of 200-250K to lift houses 5-10 feet.

Tearing out sheet rock, carpets, drying everything out real good and getting anti mold agents down is perfectly fine.  

Have a good friend of mine, lived in a nice house in a very nice subdivision.  House probably appraises for 350-400K and is one of the lower end houses there.  Last year flooded out for the first time ever.  They had flood insurance, repaired and replaced everything looks just like new.  Moved back in about 4 months ago.  Just got another 5 feet of water in their house, had two cards flooded out, had to be water rescued out.  They are staying with someone now and have no idea what they are going to do.  As was mentioned previously, what is this going to do to their home value too?  

 
Love working for the company.   Giving back to agents in time of need, time after time, has been inspiring...  Our office has an awesome history of adopting another office/family in need and taking care of them.

 

Keller Williams’ charity arm, KW Cares, has three bright-red 18-wheeler trucks parked at a depot outside Austin, Texas, ready to enter Houston.

Packed with generators, nonperishable food, diapers, cleaning supplies, wheelbarrows, flashlights and more, the trucks have been prepared to roll out since Monday, when Hurricane Harvey continued to make its ugly way through the region and wreak havoc.

But no matter how ready the trucks are, KW Cares can’t budge because it’s not safe to travel the flooded roadways.

Kathy Neu, director of KW Cares

“The National Guard is there and won’t let you through,” said KW Cares executive director, Kathy Neu. “In times past, we might have gotten some kind of permit to get through, but this is so much bigger than anything we’ve experienced, and they are not issuing anything yet.”

With 16 market centers and 4,400 associates in Harvey’s footprint, Keller Williams has also lined up three warehouses to help with the aftermath — one in San Antonio, one in Corpus Christi and one in the dryer part of Houston. But because of the way the storm has developed, Houston will be the command center. By Friday, the warehouse will be fully staffed.

 
I don't know what's shocking about that really.  I'm not sure what your budget is, but I've seen reports of people getting bids of 200-250K to lift houses 5-10 feet.

Tearing out sheet rock, carpets, drying everything out real good and getting anti mold agents down is perfectly fine.  

Have a good friend of mine, lived in a nice house in a very nice subdivision.  House probably appraises for 350-400K and is one of the lower end houses there.  Last year flooded out for the first time ever.  They had flood insurance, repaired and replaced everything looks just like new.  Moved back in about 4 months ago.  Just got another 5 feet of water in their house, had two cards flooded out, had to be water rescued out.  They are staying with someone now and have no idea what they are going to do.  As was mentioned previously, what is this going to do to their home value too?  
Well shocking may be the wrong word. Suprising?  I have never lived thru a flood event like this.

I just didn't know that was the practice.  

I imagine that if the city doesn't do something about the drainage it's going to get worse before it gets better and house values could plummet.  Imagine having a house that didn't get wet in tax day or Harvey and maybe didn't even see water for a mile.  $$$

 
If you're not getting any money from insurance, I would wager that most people don't even have the money to replace sheetrock and flooring. Tearing it all down and rebuilding from the slab just won't be an option for most people.

I mean, the average person has maybe $3-6k between their checking and savings accounts.
And if you were going to build a new house, wouldn't you build it somewhere higher?

 
Made a quick run down the street looking for something I wouldn't have to cook myself. Westheimer is flooded just north of my subdivision. Looked like the water was flowing pretty good, and in the time it took me to go past it, drive a few blocks, and then come back, the west-bound lanes became completely impassable and cops showed up to divert traffic to the south.

If that water raises a foot then it probably starts to spill into my subdivision. No rain in a day, sunny, this is all just run off and the reservoir releases now. Would be a punch in the groin to make it through the rain then flood out now.

 
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I imagine that if the city doesn't do something about the drainage it's going to get worse before it gets better and house values could plummet.  Imagine having a house that didn't get wet in tax day or Harvey and maybe didn't even see water for a mile.  $$$
I have heard a number of people mention the 'issues' with the drainage, but I just don't think that's an issue.

I'm not going to pretend to know enough about this all - but just spit balling here, the sheer size of Houston makes drainage an issue.  Couple that with the earth beneath the area not allowing any underground development without MAJOR issues and there is just not all that much that can be done that hasn't already.  

The images I am seeing really remind me of the Mississippi area when that river overflows and the waters flow inland for miles.  It's like telling people in Missouri to work on the drainage.  You can't just drain the Mississippi river efficiently.  Nature's going to do what natures going to do.

I can't really speak for home values either, as you're right and some areas are going to see values plummet.  The only saving grace really is that the Houston economy is strong.  There has been a lot of growth (some saying too much) and there will be people looking for places to live in this area for a good long time.  I really do feel for all of those affected, I just don't agree that blame lies with the drainage 'issues'.  People are pretty well aware of the bayou/creeks and rivers around and they know they can only do so much.  

 
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Made a quick run down the street looking for something I wouldn't have to cook myself. Westheimer is flooded just north of my subdivision. Looked like the water was flowing pretty good, and in the time it took me to go past it, drive a few blocks, and then come back, the west-bound lanes became completely impassable and cops showed up to divert traffic to the south.

If that water raises a foot then it probably starts to spill into my subdivision. No rain in a day, sunny, this is all just run off and the reservoir releases now. Would be a punch in the groin to make it through the rain then flood out now.
Damn man. Hoping for the best for you. I know there a lot of people out there with still-rising water levels.

 
Damn man. Hoping for the best for you. I know there a lot of people out there with still-rising water levels.
I just saw a quote from Jeff Lindner this morning that he doesn't expect any new homes to be flooded by the releases. It looked to me like the section of Westheimer had water coming out of the storm drains rather than going in. I might head down in another hour or two and see if the situation has changed.

Also, heard from Buckna. He moved out of town awhile back.

 
I feel like maybe I'm being naive but I'll say it anyway.  I get looking at Tax Day and the previous flood as drainage issues that need to be solved. I'm just not sure we look at Harvey in the same vein though.

Harvey has dumped more rain on Houston than was dumped by Sandy, Katrina and Andrew combined. I saw the estimate today that 40k homes have been damaged in Harris county. I looked it up just now... there's 1.435 million homes in Harris county. That's like 2.8% of homes being damaged.

Where homes are damaged, it's horrible and the effects on lives is catastrophic. It is a huge impact and I don't want to seem to be overlooking or making light of that.

But, and again maybe it's naive of me, but when I actually hear the numbers I'm more amazed it wasn't worse, to be honest, and it makes me think they probably did a better job than I'd have expected.

 
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Love working for the company.   Giving back to agents in time of need, time after time, has been inspiring...  Our office has an awesome history of adopting another office/family in need and taking care of them.

 

Keller Williams’ charity arm, KW Cares, has three bright-red 18-wheeler trucks parked at a depot outside Austin, Texas, ready to enter Houston.

Packed with generators, nonperishable food, diapers, cleaning supplies, wheelbarrows, flashlights and more, the trucks have been prepared to roll out since Monday, when Hurricane Harvey continued to make its ugly way through the region and wreak havoc.

But no matter how ready the trucks are, KW Cares can’t budge because it’s not safe to travel the flooded roadways.

Kathy Neu, director of KW Cares

“The National Guard is there and won’t let you through,” said KW Cares executive director, Kathy Neu. “In times past, we might have gotten some kind of permit to get through, but this is so much bigger than anything we’ve experienced, and they are not issuing anything yet.”

With 16 market centers and 4,400 associates in Harvey’s footprint, Keller Williams has also lined up three warehouses to help with the aftermath — one in San Antonio, one in Corpus Christi and one in the dryer part of Houston. But because of the way the storm has developed, Houston will be the command center. By Friday, the warehouse will be fully staffed.
Just found out KW, based in Austin, will also be donating $20 mil.

 
Texans-Cowboys preseason game Thursday that was relocated to Dallas, is now being cancelled so players can get home to their families.

Tickets for the Texans-Cowboys game went on sale Tuesday night, and more than 40,000 have been sold, with the proceeds going to the hurricane relief fund. Those who have purchased tickets to the game can get a refund; if not, the money will still go to the relief fund. The Texans said in their statement that the McNair family, which owns the team, "will make a donation equal to the money that would have been generated from ticket sales."

 
I have heard a number of people mention the 'issues' with the drainage, but I just don't think that's an issue.

I'm not going to pretend to know enough about this all - but just spit balling here, the sheer size of Houston makes drainage an issue.  Couple that with the earth beneath the area not allowing any underground development without MAJOR issues and there is just not all that much that can be done that hasn't already.  

The images I am seeing really remind me of the Mississippi area when that river overflows and the waters flow inland for miles.  It's like telling people in Missouri to work on the drainage.  You can't just drain the Mississippi river efficiently.  Nature's going to do what natures going to do.

I can't really speak for home values either, as you're right and some areas are going to see values plummet.  The only saving grace really is that the Houston economy is strong.  There has been a lot of growth (some saying too much) and there will be people looking for places to live in this area for a good long time.  I really do feel for all of those affected, I just don't agree that blame lies with the drainage 'issues'.  People are pretty well aware of the bayou/creeks and rivers around and they know they can only do so much.  
I frankly didn't understand the issues facing Houston in general (I've been there a couple of times 15 years ago and even then how they developed with seemingly little if any urban planning seemed strange), but it's pretty evident development in areas that shouldn't have development has played a role in past flooding.  

https://projects.propublica.org/houston-cypress/

 
 The FFPC & Footballguys will donate $50 from every filled draft to a charity. For example, in the past we donated to charities like 9/11 Memorial, Wounded Warrior Project and SBFSTA.org. The 2017 DRAFT-A-THON charity is the JJ Watt Houston Relief Fund   :thumbup:

 
I feel like maybe I'm being naive but I'll say it anyway.  I get looking at Tax Day and the previous flood as drainage issues that need to be solved. I'm just not sure we look at Harvey in the same vein though.

Harvey has dumped more rain on Houston than was dumped by Sandy, Katrina and Andrew combined. I saw the estimate today that 40k homes have been damaged in Harris county. I looked it up just now... there's 1.435 million homes in Harris county. That's like 2.8% of homes being damaged.

Where homes are damaged, it's horrible and the effects on lives is catastrophic. It is a huge impact and I don't want to seem to be overlooking or making light of that.

But, and again maybe it's naive of me, but when I actually hear the numbers I'm more amazed it wasn't worse, to be honest, and it makes me think they probably did a better job than I'd have expected.
Not that it really matters, but I believe that is the number destroyed and the number damaged is not estimated at this point.  

 
JJ Watt just said in an interview they are raising the goal to $10 million. First wave of aid from it are going out Sunday, going to cover all the affected areas including Rockport, etc.

 
Not that it really matters, but I believe that is the number destroyed and the number damaged is not estimated at this point.  
Not seen the interview or a direct quote, but all the media on it I've seen have said "damaged".  Also it was 30,000 to 40,000 but went with the top end.

Which again, any is too many.  But my main point is, I think Harvey is so extreme I don't know that we can draw the normal conclusions from it like we might with other floods.

I also do agree there's been some development in areas it shouldn't be, and probably lack of zoning and such plays a role. I just don't know that I think we can say the flooding would have been minimal for Harvey even if there had been those measures.

 
Coming to a used car lot in your neighborhood, lots of cheap vehicles labeled minor flood damage. The number of vehicles that the news was showing underwater was just astounding--it has to be in the tens of thousands of vehicles that will be totaled out. 

I remember after Katrina all the consumer groups warning people to beware of buying used vehicles from that area because so many were totaled out by the insurance companies and then resold on the secondary market months later. Flood damage can manifest itself as anything in a car. 

 
Coming to a used car lot in your neighborhood, lots of cheap vehicles labeled minor flood damage. The number of vehicles that the news was showing underwater was just astounding--it has to be in the tens of thousands of vehicles that will be totaled out. 

I remember after Katrina all the consumer groups warning people to beware of buying used vehicles from that area because so many were totaled out by the insurance companies and then resold on the secondary market months later. Flood damage can manifest itself as anything in a car. 
I saw a report estimating this count at 400,000 - 500,000 vehicles that suffered flood damage.  And a lot of people in the Houston area do not carry any type of auto insurance or else are way under-insured.  I know it's too early to tell and a lot of people are always asking for totals on something that are sometimes just wild guesses, but I do think there are a LOT of vehicles that are going to be flooded out.  

 
The missing van with a family of 6 people in it was found (correction: all 6 bodies found).  Kids aged 16, 14, 8 and 6, and two great-grandparents in their eighties.  :(

 
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The response in the community and our neighbors has been beyond phenomenal.  We are near the Berry Center which is a temporary shelter and they were posting they needed supplied.  Went out, waited an hour or so at Walmart to grab a few bags of supplies, then went to drop the material off.  There was a long line of cars waiting to turn in and by the time we got there, we were told they were no longer accepting supplies, they had too much.  We went online and found another permanent shelter nearby and drove there.  Again, there were like 30 cars in front of us packed with supplies that had the road all backed up.   I am beyond impressed how everyone has responded so far, but I do know this is going to be a massive recovery effort all around and just hope and pray that all those affected get back to near normal sooner rather than later.  

Even if the estimates of 30,000 - 40,000 homes affected were accurate - that's a LOT of contract work.  Obviously crews and companies from out of state will come on in to help, but still this will take months and months and months for these houses to get back to livable again.

 
I feel like maybe I'm being naive but I'll say it anyway.  I get looking at Tax Day and the previous flood as drainage issues that need to be solved. I'm just not sure we look at Harvey in the same vein though.

Harvey has dumped more rain on Houston than was dumped by Sandy, Katrina and Andrew combined. I saw the estimate today that 40k homes have been damaged in Harris county. I looked it up just now... there's 1.435 million homes in Harris county. That's like 2.8% of homes being damaged.

Where homes are damaged, it's horrible and the effects on lives is catastrophic. It is a huge impact and I don't want to seem to be overlooking or making light of that.

But, and again maybe it's naive of me, but when I actually hear the numbers I'm more amazed it wasn't worse, to be honest, and it makes me think they probably did a better job than I'd have expected.
It's the biggest rain storm in US history. I can't imagine there are any cities in the US that could handle 50+ inches of rain in that amount of time.

 
The response in the community and our neighbors has been beyond phenomenal.  We are near the Berry Center which is a temporary shelter and they were posting they needed supplied.  Went out, waited an hour or so at Walmart to grab a few bags of supplies, then went to drop the material off.  There was a long line of cars waiting to turn in and by the time we got there, we were told they were no longer accepting supplies, they had too much.  We went online and found another permanent shelter nearby and drove there.  Again, there were like 30 cars in front of us packed with supplies that had the road all backed up.   I am beyond impressed how everyone has responded so far, but I do know this is going to be a massive recovery effort all around and just hope and pray that all those affected get back to near normal sooner rather than later.  

Even if the estimates of 30,000 - 40,000 homes affected were accurate - that's a LOT of contract work.  Obviously crews and companies from out of state will come on in to help, but still this will take months and months and months for these houses to get back to livable again.
That reminds me of the Katrina turnout. I went down to drop off supplies at the Astrodome shelter, and the Red Cross was no longer taking them. Whole area was full of cars with stuff to donate and nowhere to take it. Some firemen had set up this huge bbq in the lot of a Toys R Us near Kirby and S Main that I stopped at. Others like me who just stopped to help had started taking the supplies from people who had nowhere to drop them off, sorting the items, and then as Katrina refugees came in we'd load them up with what they needed. We had an entire rental truck full diapers and another with water show up, two college girls made like 100 PB&J sandwiches, there were two  mountains of cases of bottled water.  A number of FBGs paypal'd me donations that among other things we used to resupply the firemen's grill when they ran out of meat to cook for the refugees. Seeing how many people were helping, and how much it was appreciated by those who received it, is a memory I'm always going to cherish. This city has a big heart.  :wub:

 
I don't want to turn things away from the obvious, horrible losses that have occurred, but has anyone heard anything about the Galveston National Laboratory?

 
We are starting to get evacuees here in Lake Charles.  Might rival Katrina in numbers.  We can't handle them here.  The state is supposed to open shelters in North Louisiana out of the hurricane zone (already two more potential storms on the horizon).  We will get them here, clothe and feed them and bus them elsewhere. 

 
Although I worry about the Ebola/HPV/Gingivitis SuperVirus that would be created if the Cajun Navy contracted some of the things in that lab.

 
I hope everyone is staying safe.

There is now a Tropical Storm Irma, with winds at 60 mph sustained, moving west at 14 mph. It's currently no threat to land, but forecasters have it gaining hurricane strength sometime Thursday, and reaching Category 2 soon after. The track has it moving towards the Windward Islands over the course of the next 5 days

My concern is the 5 day forecast puts it not far from where Matthew started ramping up last year. 

 

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