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***Official 2017 NCAA Hoops Tourney thread: Congrats UNC, all the refs from NCCG should be banned for life*** (1 Viewer)

Good Posting Judge said:
Michigan -1/-1.5 right now. :whistle:
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Interesting.  I mean, I'm happy it's a close line as I sincerely hope that's the second game on Thursday and they play like six overtimes.  What do you think gives?  Michigan is hot and Oregon doesn't have Boucher?  

Hmm, KenPom had this one as pretty much a pick'em going into today, so I guess it's the analytics talking...

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Interesting.  I mean, I'm happy it's a close line as I sincerely hope that's the second game on Thursday and they play like six overtimes.  What do you think gives?  Michigan is hot and Oregon doesn't have Boucher?  

Hmm, KenPom had this one as pretty much a pick'em going into today, so I guess it's the analytics talking...
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No idea how Michigan barely made the tourney from what we've seen the past two weeks.  Maybe it took time for them to gel, no idea.  But they are really good and they basically throw four guards at you, two of them are Wagner and DJ Wilson.  They are quite good and they just beat a team that was a tough match-up for them. 

 
Kansas City games are on CBS Thursday (Harlan, Miller, Bonner, Jacobson)

Oregon-Michigan at 7:00 Eastern, Purdue-Kansas second game

San Jose games are on TBS Thursday (Anderson, Webber, Johnson)

West Virginia-Gonzaga at 7:39 Eastern, Xavier-Arizona second game

Memphis games are on CBS Friday (Nantz, Hill, Rafterym Wolfson)

Butler-UNC at 7:00 Eastern, UCLA-Kentucky second game

New York games are on TBS Friday (Lundquist, Spanarkel, LaForce)

South Carolina-Baylor at 7:29 Eastern, Wisconsin-Florida second game

 
Kinda want to fly to Memphis with my 4 year old - gotta figure out how to approach with the wife. My birthday is coming up in a few weeks, maybe try to cash that in.

 
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18957070/acc-teams-ncaa-tournament-struggles-prove-conference-was-overrated

at least ESPN posted this, but it of course takes no blame in being the media ring leader all year in the pimping of the ACC.

Would really like to see ESPN eat some crow here.

Regarding UCLA Kentucky, both teams are playing better now than when ucla curbstomped Kentucky on their own court.  Agree with myshkin, I expect a similar result.  Ball is spectacular, and I don't think that's hyperbole.

 
Not that I care, but ratings will be terrible this year with relatively few East Coast teams.

 
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TripItUp said:
Not that I care, but ratings will be terrible this year with relatively few East Coast teams.
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Don't buy that at all.  Teams like Kentucky, Kansas, UCLA, and Michigan are huge draws.   Not sure what east coast team would draw more. Still have North Carolina for all the ACC weinies.  Add in teams like Arizona, Florida, and even Oregon and throw in Baylor for the Texas folks. Seems like ratings could be very good across the country. 

 
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Prince Myshkin said:
Coach K says South Carolina was the most physical team they played all year.  Maybe that is what has bothered the ACC teams in this tourney :shrug:    
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Typically does.  The ACC has been morphing into a ticky tack league for some time.  It shows during the ACC/B1G challenge quite often.  Haven't watched all the ACC games in this tourney, but the ones I have, physical play has been a factor in each (like the Duke game for example)

 
I have zero memory of the duke title in 2010. Did that really happen or is it an alternative fact?

4 final fours this millennia sounds right. 

 
Hey guys.  We doing the "ACC is totally overrated even though it had like 6 teams in the Sweet 16 last year, and also bragging/crapping on college conferences is somehow relevant and interesting now" shtick?  

 
TobiasFunke said:
Hey guys.  We doing the "ACC is totally overrated even though it had like 6 teams in the Sweet 16 last year, and also bragging/crapping on college conferences is somehow relevant and interesting now" shtick?  
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Started that way but now we have funneled it down to just hating on Duke so the rest are off the hook.

 
TobiasFunke said:
Hey guys.  We doing the "ACC is totally overrated even though it had like 6 teams in the Sweet 16 last year, and also bragging/crapping on college conferences is somehow relevant and interesting now" shtick?  
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No, we're doing the:

if-we-got-one-*minute*-of-coverage-of-how-bad-the-ACC-actually-performed-for-each-*hour*-ESPN-and-sports-radio-has-told-us-the-ACC-is-the-best- conference-ever, then-we'd-be-here-all-day    routine.

Most overrated all-time and it's not even close.

 
Tango said:
No, we're doing the:

if-we-got-one-*minute*-of-coverage-of-how-bad-the-ACC-actually-performed-for-each-*hour*-ESPN-and-sports-radio-has-told-us-the-ACC-is-the-best- conference-ever, then-we'd-be-here-all-day    routine.

Most overrated all-time and it's not even close.
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The key here is the non-stop blathering by the media and fans.  If it wasn't for the over-hyping by self-interested ESPN and others then it would be less of a problem.

Funny too, up through Saturday early afternoon CBS' "Tournament Summary" featured the ACC's record in this year's tournament, then Saturday night rolls around and poof-- the ACC W/L record disappears from the Tournament Summary!  Never to be seen again.  Does Swofford have a bat-phone to CBS' production office?

 
ACC guys> we get your point, but you're being a little hyper sensitive here. I mean a good chunk of your teams are not just losing, but underperforming in spectacular fashion. ND barely beats Princeton then was never in the game against WVU.  FSU gets hate-f###ed by the 7th place team in the Big East.  Virginia scores like it's the jump-ball-after-every-made-basket era.  Duke gives up 88 to an offensively challenged SEC team (for comparison it took SC 4 OT's to score 86 against Bammer).  No your conference doesn't suck, but they are performing suckily.

 
Captain Quinoa said:
ACC guys> we get your point, but you're being a little hyper sensitive here. I mean a good chunk of your teams are not just losing, but underperforming in spectacular fashion. ND barely beats Princeton then was never in the game against WVU.  FSU gets hate-f###ed by the 7th place team in the Big East.  Virginia scores like it's the jump-ball-after-every-made-basket era.  Duke gives up 88 to an offensively challenged SEC team (for comparison it took SC 4 OT's to score 86 against Bammer).  No your conference doesn't suck, but they are performing suckily.
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You seem really angry about this. I don't think I've seen one person defend their tournament performance. 

Why can't people reconcile the fact that the ACC was both very likely the best conference in the regular season and also having an awful tournament? Do the gears just not grind that way?

 
Capella said:
You seem really angry about this. I don't think I've seen one person defend their tournament performance. 

Why can't people reconcile the fact that the ACC was both very likely the best conference in the regular season and also having an awful tournament? Do the gears just not grind that way?
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The problem is the hype.  Every time you turned around you heard hyperbole about the ACC.  And the fact is they not only shat the bed in the NCCAT even if UNC wins it all, but they have  shat the bed in in spectacular fashion; as Captain points out.  Further, the ACC's 7 wins have been against 16, 15, 15, 14, 12, 12, and 8 seeds--ouch. 

You can try to build a case that the conference still had a nice season (however flawed that case may be), but the hype was so out of proportion with the performance; and that is why the rest of the country wants to spend the rest of March reminding ACC people (ESPN and the sports radio world that takes cues from ESPN, et al) not that the ACC is the worst conference ever, but how embarrassingly wrong they were that the ACC was the "best conference ever"

 
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Tango said:
The problem is the hype.  Every time you turned around you heard hyperbole about the ACC.  And the fact is they not only shat the bed in the NCCAT even if UNC wins it all, but they have  shat the bed in in spectacular fashion; as Capella points out.  Further, the ACC's 7 wins have been against 16, 15, 15, 14, 12, 12, and 8 seeds--ouch. 

You can try to build a case that the conference still had a nice season (however flawed that case may be), but the hype was so out of proportion with the performance; and that is why the rest of the country wants to spend the rest of March reminding ACC people (ESPN and the sports radio world that takes cues from ESPN, et al) not that the ACC is the worst conference ever, but how embarrassingly wrong they were that the ACC was the "best conference ever"
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Cool?

Why not just enjoy your team's performance and not be so bitter about a perceived bias. The ACC was the best conference in the regular season. The big 10 was pretty mediocre. Nothing that happened this weekend changes that. It just means the big 10 is having a far better tourney. 

 
Capella said:
Cool?

Why not just enjoy your team's performance and not be so bitter about a perceived bias. The ACC was the best conference in the regular season. The big 10 was pretty mediocre. Nothing that happened this weekend changes that. It just means the big 10 is having a far better tourney. 
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I would have loved to sit back and enjoy my team's performance (my team is an ACC team btw), but AGAIN--- every time we tried to do that we were interrupted with a chorus of crapolla about how the ACC was the best conference ever.  I'm not trying to make the case that the ACC was the best or worst anything on the floor.  The problem is in the monumental gap between the hype and the performance.

 
Tango said:
No, we're doing the:

if-we-got-one-*minute*-of-coverage-of-how-bad-the-ACC-actually-performed-for-each-*hour*-ESPN-and-sports-radio-has-told-us-the-ACC-is-the-best- conference-ever, then-we'd-be-here-all-day    routine.

Most overrated all-time and it's not even close.
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You seem angry.  That NIT Round 2 loss to Ole Miss really has you reeling, huh?  Usually your Syracuse team waits until they're forced to leave upstate NY before they fall flat on their face.

 
I love this Tango shtick....glad you broke free from the ACC threads with your angry "can't believe Syracuse is in the crappy ACC" shtick for the rest of the FFA to enjoy :thumbup:  

 
If I were you guys as ACC-partisans I'd be thrilled that many are willing to concede the season-long performance-on-the-floor discussion as arguable.

The complaint is on the nauseating over-hype.  Do you really disagree with that point?  Just curious. 

 
Capella said:
Cool?

Why not just enjoy your team's performance and not be so bitter about a perceived bias. The ACC was the best conference in the regular season. The big 10 was pretty mediocre. Nothing that happened this weekend changes that. It just means the big 10 is having a far better tourney. 
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Or let's spin it the other way.  Why not say, the ACC had a better regular season, but the Big 10 was the best conference in the tourney?    The ACC was below mediocre. 

 
Captain Quinoa said:
ACC guys> we get your point, but you're being a little hyper sensitive here. I mean a good chunk of your teams are not just losing, but underperforming in spectacular fashion. ND barely beats Princeton then was never in the game against WVU.  FSU gets hate-f###ed by the 7th place team in the Big East.  Virginia scores like it's the jump-ball-after-every-made-basket era.  Duke gives up 88 to an offensively challenged SEC team (for comparison it took SC 4 OT's to score 86 against Bammer).  No your conference doesn't suck, but they are performing suckily.
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Who has defended the ACC?  They have sucked. Plenty have said it. Not sure what your point is. 

 
Tango said:
If I were you guys as ACC-partisans I'd be thrilled that many are willing to concede the season-long performance-on-the-floor discussion as arguable.

The complaint is on the nauseating over-hype.  Do you really disagree with that point?  Just curious. 
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I don't care at all. I guess I don't consume that much media. Doesn't affect me even in the slightest. 

 
Capella said:
You seem really angry about this. I don't think I've seen one person defend their tournament performance. 

Why can't people reconcile the fact that the ACC was both very likely the best conference in the regular season and also having an awful tournament? Do the gears just not grind that way?
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Huh? That's exactly what I said.

 
Tango said:
If I were you guys as ACC-partisans I'd be thrilled that many are willing to concede the season-long performance-on-the-floor discussion as arguable.

The complaint is on the nauseating over-hype.  Do you really disagree with that point?  Just curious. 
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I have this thing I do where it there's something I find nauseating on the TV or radio, I change the channel.

I also have this thing I do where I don't really care about relative conference strength as it manifests in a handful of games, or at all really.

Feel free to borrow either of these tricks in the future.

 
:lmao:  ok

ps arguing about conferences is dumb. Not as dumb as generalizing strength after a handful of games, but still dumb. 

 
Capella said:
You seem really angry about this. I don't think I've seen one person defend their tournament performance. 
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no it's just y'all getting worked up when people poke a little fun at the conference for their performance.

How many "Oh is this what we're doing now" posts have their been

 
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