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***Official 2018 Baltimore Orioles Thread*** Pitching Can’t Get Any Worse (1 Viewer)
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Footballguy
O'Day, Weiters, Davis and Chen should all be dangled right now. I still have 8 games left of my 13 game plan. That kind of sucks.
I would like to see them re-sign Chen. I know he is going to cost a fortune, but good starting pitchers are hard to find. There is a reason he is going to cost a fortune.
I like O'Day a lot. But Buck has shown that he can make a golden bullpen from straw. The Orioles are not going to pay for O'Day.
I like O'Day a lot. But Buck has shown that he can make a golden bullpen from straw. The Orioles are not going to pay for O'Day.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Chen's going to get upwards of $20 million and I don't see any way the Orioles pay that. I wish they'd keep him, too, but I just don't see it happening.Marvelous said:
I don't think we'll see a sell-off at the trade deadline. They're in that no-man's-land in the standings and usually teams like that stay put, thinking they may have a run left in them. I would definitely dangle Chen & Weiters, though, just to see what they'd bring. If they could get a couple of Top 100 prospects, I think I'd do it. I doubt Davis would fetch much.
They are in a serious offensive funk. Even the games they do get hits, they can't bring anyone home.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I'm 53 years old and can recall (just barely) the Orioles beating the Dodgers in '66 (I didn't know what was happening, but I can remember clear as day my father saying to me that I'll never see a pitcher as good as Koufax). In all that time, I don't think I've ever seen a guy hit the ball hard as consistently as Machado. Maybe Albert Belle when he was rolling but, Jesus, Manny just hits friggin' ropes.
Chris Davis is quietly have a very good season. It is not a 53 HR type of season, but it is very good. A team like the Mets could use a big bat.
Like you said, the Orioles will probably won't do much. Duquette will pick up some fringe players and see if Buck can work some magic with them. They are always looking for the next Nate McClouth.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Pretty awesome moment at Markakis' first at-bat.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Jim Johnson is still alive?
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
I am pretty sure they will be low end buyers. They may do nothing in July and work some August trades for players who clear waivers.
I have no idea how good of a prospect Zach Davies is. The Orioles farm system is apparently quite barren. Every article I read agrees on that.
In a corresponding move, the Oriole DFA Bud Norris. Norris goes from 15 game winner in the rotation to DFA in less than a year. Things change fast.
The_Man
Footballguy
Well, that was a worthwhile way to spend a few hours instead of eating dinner yesterday.
Crush is so red hot right now. Would love to see him retained, while letting Wieters and Chen go. Keep Davis and you've got a great offensive and defensive infield locked up for the next 3 years. Plus AJ in CF and you've really got something - aren't corner OFs and DHs relatively easy to find?
Doubt it will happen though, unfortunately.
Bullpen is looking great, and so is Gausman. Yesterday really reminded me of last year - even though they fell behind, they hung around, let their bullpen keep it tied, and then finally score the game-winning run, all to win a series. Last season, it seems they didn't necessarily ever go on a huge winning streak, but they just kept winning every series, 2-1.
With Parra out there, I look for them to really start playing some great defense all around the diamond. This team is inferior to last year's - no Cruz or Miller guarantees that - but how nice is it to be in the mix on August 6th? I still stand in amazement regarding what Buck has done with this franchise. The expectation is now the playoffs. I love it.
Crush is so red hot right now. Would love to see him retained, while letting Wieters and Chen go. Keep Davis and you've got a great offensive and defensive infield locked up for the next 3 years. Plus AJ in CF and you've really got something - aren't corner OFs and DHs relatively easy to find?
Doubt it will happen though, unfortunately.
Bullpen is looking great, and so is Gausman. Yesterday really reminded me of last year - even though they fell behind, they hung around, let their bullpen keep it tied, and then finally score the game-winning run, all to win a series. Last season, it seems they didn't necessarily ever go on a huge winning streak, but they just kept winning every series, 2-1.
With Parra out there, I look for them to really start playing some great defense all around the diamond. This team is inferior to last year's - no Cruz or Miller guarantees that - but how nice is it to be in the mix on August 6th? I still stand in amazement regarding what Buck has done with this franchise. The expectation is now the playoffs. I love it.
I will say it again: Chris Davis is quietly having a very good season. It would be nice to find a way to keep him.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Agreed. This is about the season he should usually be having. 2013 was a fluke and so was 2014. He's not going to hit for a great average, but has enough power to hit 30+ HRs most seasons.
The_Man
Footballguy
Not sure how quiet Davis' season is anymore. He's 1 out of the RBI lead in the American Legue and rapidly closing in on top 5 for HRs. He's so selective right now that his OBP is up. That game-winning at-bat yesterday was great, took a 2-2 heater that was low and away, then crushed the 3-2 heater that was low but down the middle.
In his last 15 games, he's got 9 HRs, 26 RBI and an OPS of over 1000. It's fun to see him crushing again.
In his last 15 games, he's got 9 HRs, 26 RBI and an OPS of over 1000. It's fun to see him crushing again.
I agree that I'd try to resign Davis over Wieters. I think Caleb Joseph is a decent enough catcher to not go all out to keep Wieters. Chen is going to go too, and I'd guess O'Day will get some big FA offers. Could he close somewhere?
Should they make a try at signing Fister when he walks from the Nats?
Should they make a try at signing Fister when he walks from the Nats?
I see the Orioles promoting from within for their pitching.
Gausman, Gonzalez, Jimenez, and Tillman will return to the starting rotation.
Tyler Wilson and Mike Wright will be the leading candidates to be the 5th starter.
Dylan Bundy must be on the roster next year, although my guess is he will be a relief pitcher. He just hasn't pitched enough to expect more than 100 innings out of him.
In other news, the Orioles activated Jason Garcia and option Mychal Givens to the minors. The Orioles need to keep Garcia on the active roster 90 days to fulfill the rule 5 requirements. Garcia will just barely make it. He will almost certainly be in the minors next year.
Dan Duquette sure likes getting players via the rule 5 draft.
Dan Duquette sure likes getting players via the rule 5 draft.
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ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
That one's on you, Buck.
Koya
Footballguy
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Agree to disagree. Pujols was 0-4. Murphy was a career .417 hitter against Matusz with a HR in the game already. Seemed as though Buck walked Pujols simply to get a lefty/lefty matchup.
I like Buck. I just think he made the wrong call today.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Matusz isn't capable of pitching in that situation. He should have brought Britton in. Buck needs to know his players capabilities.
You can debate the walks and leaving matusz in, but with 2 outs, why are your outfielders not playing straight up?
You can debate the walks and leaving matusz in, but with 2 outs, why are your outfielders not playing straight up?
MattFancy
Footballguy
Agreed. Britton should have been in there. If you weren't going to use him in the high pressure situation there, when was he going to use him?
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
Buck would say in a smug tone that when you are the visiting team you'll need your closer after you get the lead. Then stare at you uncomfortably until you back down. However, Britton has pitched once in August and is more than capable of pitching 1.1 innings. Not to mention, you never actually got to that position.
The big question I have on the strategy: if you pitch to Pujols, the winning run is on 2nd base. With the Orioles' defense, many singles to the outfield, the winning run won't score. Once you intentionally walk Pujols, the winning run is on 3rd and any hit, error, or walk scores the winning run.ClownCausedChaos2 said:
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Footballguy
I'll never trade in a win, but there's something about our pending FA's being the ones that win the games for us.
First of all, my guess is save situations only come up in about 1/3 of the games. They are losing almost half their games and some of the wins should be by more than 3 runs.
O'Day would probably be today's closer. Britton will probably be available Wednesday. And Thursday is an off day. If O'Day is not used today, they could conceivable have O'Day available for 2 innings Wednesday and Britton for 4 or 5 outs.
Another data point on save situations: The Nationals traded for Papalbon, who would only agree to the trade if he is the closer. In 13 days with the Nats, he has pitched 4 times, with 2 saves and 2 non-save situations. Storen, who was moved from the closer role, has pitched 7 times. This includes his recent blown save, giving up a grand slam, and turning a tie game into a 2 run deficit. Both of those games were likely Papalbon situations if Storen held them scoreless.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
He was 5-12 against Matusz with a walk, so 13 PAs.Koya said:
Koya
Footballguy
Yeah, that's plenty.
I don't mind loading them to go after the guy you really think is easy to get, but that's pretty stupid.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I really don't understand Chris Tillman.
Guy has ace stuff but he's basically a dice roll game to game.
Guy has ace stuff but he's basically a dice roll game to game.
It is easy to say this poor start is due to being off for 12 days with his sprained ankle. It was pretty bad.
The_Man
Footballguy
Sprained ankle and then he got crushed by a line drive off his arm - stayed in the game but I don't think he recorded another out.
The bullpen really needs help today from Gausman. Hope he can go 7.
The combo of the Tommy Hunter trade and the parking of Rule 5 guy Jason Garcia to take his place in the bullpen is quickly turning into a genuine fiasco. They're now a guy short in the bullpen and it's potentially cost them 2 extra inning games already.
Vs. LA, Buck left Matusz in to walk RHs Trout and Pujols to face the lefty - instead of bringing in righty Tommy Hunter to face Pujols after walking Trout. And last night, they left McFarland out there to die. Buck new he needed to keep O'Day available for potentially pitching 2+ innings today, since the bullpen is so used up. Again, Hunter would have been very useful - or maybe they would have used him earlier and then Givins would have been available in the 10th.
In both cases, with the game on the line, Buck just pretended Garcia didn't exist. I understand wanting to protect a young guy and not bring him in on the road vs. top hitters with the game on the line, but now the Orioles are playing with a 24-man roster. Duquette loves showing the world how smart he is with these Rule 5 guys. Meanwhile, it is killing a team with a legit playoff shot.
The bullpen really needs help today from Gausman. Hope he can go 7.
The combo of the Tommy Hunter trade and the parking of Rule 5 guy Jason Garcia to take his place in the bullpen is quickly turning into a genuine fiasco. They're now a guy short in the bullpen and it's potentially cost them 2 extra inning games already.
Vs. LA, Buck left Matusz in to walk RHs Trout and Pujols to face the lefty - instead of bringing in righty Tommy Hunter to face Pujols after walking Trout. And last night, they left McFarland out there to die. Buck new he needed to keep O'Day available for potentially pitching 2+ innings today, since the bullpen is so used up. Again, Hunter would have been very useful - or maybe they would have used him earlier and then Givins would have been available in the 10th.
In both cases, with the game on the line, Buck just pretended Garcia didn't exist. I understand wanting to protect a young guy and not bring him in on the road vs. top hitters with the game on the line, but now the Orioles are playing with a 24-man roster. Duquette loves showing the world how smart he is with these Rule 5 guys. Meanwhile, it is killing a team with a legit playoff shot.
The_Man
Footballguy
By the way, can we now begin to point blame at Duquette for the absolute dumpster fire of moves he's made since the end of last season?
DFA'd:
De Aza, Everth Cabrera,Delmon Young, Bud Norris, Parmelee, Snider, Wesley Wright
Traded for peanuts: Tommy Hunter
But he's desperately hanging on to Rule V guy Jason Garcia.
Was there a single move Duquette made this off-season that has worked?
DFA'd:
De Aza, Everth Cabrera,Delmon Young, Bud Norris, Parmelee, Snider, Wesley Wright
Traded for peanuts: Tommy Hunter
But he's desperately hanging on to Rule V guy Jason Garcia.
Was there a single move Duquette made this off-season that has worked?
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Footballguy
I have a feeling this was the door slamming on our season.
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
And the fact that it happened on Gausman's start...that poor kid has to be wondering what he has to do.
Yeah, they need to go like 8-2 on this homestand to stay in touch with the playoffs. And I don't see that happening.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I had no idea it was happening, but the Orioles tonight had their team HOF inductions.
Being a complete sucker for nostalgia.........when they announced Roenicke & Lowenstein both going in, ..........man.
Of course, Lowenstein is on some sailing-around-the-world thing with his family and couldn't be there. I always pictured him doing yoga in Tahiti forever (optional bong in the room).
Roenicke looked great.
And they also inducted Melvin Mora, who was a fantastic player for them.
Being a complete sucker for nostalgia.........when they announced Roenicke & Lowenstein both going in, ..........man.
Of course, Lowenstein is on some sailing-around-the-world thing with his family and couldn't be there. I always pictured him doing yoga in Tahiti forever (optional bong in the room).
Roenicke looked great.
And they also inducted Melvin Mora, who was a fantastic player for them.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I love firework games. If you haven't been to one, they put on a good show after the game.
Every inning after the 9th we debated leaving. I had my 5yo and baby with us. We ended up staying for the Manny HR and it turned out to be one of the best games I've seen all year.
Britton ran into some extreme bad luck. A bunch of IF tappers that got runners on followed by a grounder just past the reach of Schoop. One strike away, but we got another hour and a half of free baseball.
Givens looked great in relief. My first time seeing him.
Every inning after the 9th we debated leaving. I had my 5yo and baby with us. We ended up staying for the Manny HR and it turned out to be one of the best games I've seen all year.
Britton ran into some extreme bad luck. A bunch of IF tappers that got runners on followed by a grounder just past the reach of Schoop. One strike away, but we got another hour and a half of free baseball.
Givens looked great in relief. My first time seeing him.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Lol at Jones & Machado giving Schoop crap about striking out after Garcia - a guy who had ZERO ABs in pro ball - walked.
Good weekend. Gotta keep it going now. I really don't think they're any better than a .500 (+/- a few games) team, but #### it - let's keep it fun as long as possible.
Good weekend. Gotta keep it going now. I really don't think they're any better than a .500 (+/- a few games) team, but #### it - let's keep it fun as long as possible.
